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My first MP3 player was a Rio 500, but the first I really loved was my Creative Muvo Nomad NX. Me and my brother ended up owning a bunch of them, so we could load up multiple 512mb 'cartridges' of music and swap them out on the go; a largely pointless exercise, since the cheap AAA batteries we used didn't last very long - especially considering we were wearing these crappy oversized Sony MDR-CD280 headphones.  The pinnacle of portable audio technology! I found the headphones recently cleaning out the attic in my childhood home, hopefully the MP3 player is still stashed away somewhere so I can enjoy some KaZaA-quality 96kbps Beastie Boys. I guess the headphones aren't obsolete per se, since giant cans have recently come back in fashion, but mechanical controls and primary cell batteries have gone the way of the dodo, to say nothing of single-function devices Mousepractice has a new favorite as of 00:03 on Aug 29, 2019 |
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Oh gently caress looks like I'm at least partially responsible for starting like the 15th round of MP3 player talk ITT. Let me wave a lot of time and quote myself from two thousand twelve: mobby_6kl posted:The CD-MP3 players were a great thing before the HD/solid state players became viable. I had one of these:
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Aug 29, 2019 00:20
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I appreciate the mp3 player chat because I had a couple, and old mp3 players are kind of neat, although at this point my sandisk sansa which I got in 2008 and still works perfectly is only technically obsolete due to having small internal storage. My first mp3 playing hardware that wasn't my PC was the Creative Nomad II. I still have it although it no longer powers on. Those SmartMedia cards could hold so much data! I could fit an album or two on each one. The microSD card is in frame to show the difference in size.
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Aug 29, 2019 00:42
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Rexxed posted:I appreciate the mp3 player chat because I had a couple, and old mp3 players are kind of neat, although at this point my sandisk sansa which I got in 2008 and still works perfectly is only technically obsolete due to having small internal storage. My first mp3 playing hardware that wasn't my PC was the Creative Nomad II. I still have it although it no longer powers on. Those SmartMedia cards could hold so much data! I could fit an album or two on each one. The microSD card is in frame to show the difference in size. I know SmartMedia was as lame as hell but I always liked their connector thing. It was classy.
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Aug 29, 2019 01:26
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I had the original iPod Nano for a bit, then switched to the Creative Zen when I got feed up of having to switch out music, it worked pretty great until it died on me.
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Aug 29, 2019 03:05
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Dsmif posted:I had the original iPod Nano for a bit, then switched to the Creative Zen when I got feed up of having to switch out music, it worked pretty great until it died on me. i dropped this thing on hard concrete so many times and it kept chugging. and it wasn't solid state, iirc. incredible
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Aug 29, 2019 03:07
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I just recently found my Fat iPod Nano. No idea if it still works, but I do have a 30 pin charger somewhere. Unlike Lightning chargers the 30 pins never go bad. My first MP3 player was an Otis that I got free for signing up for Audible.com. And yes, it’s the same Otis that makes elevators. 
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Aug 29, 2019 03:17
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I will always love my Zen Micro photo. It was cool as poo poo to have that color OLED screen.
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Sorry for the megapost, I'm just going to briefly answer a bunch of points that came up.My Lovely Horse posted:This used to be until quite recently the way it was set up in Germany, too, and was heavily criticized and eventually changed around 2013. Would you like to know what simple and modern model they changed it to? Shut up Meg posted:I'm in favour of the British TV license and I am not ashamed of it. I agree with Shut Up Meg for the same reasons but would prefer to see it rolled into the income taxation system (and corporate, so hotels and all of them chip in too). Hirayuki posted:But you can ignore them at the door and refuse to let them in, right? Guy Axlerod posted:Does the NHK give kickbacks to companies who put TV tuners in products where they don't belong (Smart Fridges)? Even better! They contract out the collection work to for-profit collection companies, who are in the news several times a year for harassing and/or intimidating people who are refusing to whip out their wallet and hanko and sign a contract right there and then! No incentive in that model for mistreatment, no sir! I think one of the reasons camera-equipped doorbells are so popular is that you can check who's at the door without indicating anyone is home, and just refuse to open for anyone who isn't expected. Foreigners here love to boast about how they scared the guy off by acting dumb and saying "I don't eat Japanese" :jerkoff: Inspector Gesicht posted:I'd ask if Japanese TV have the cultural equivalent of Jimmy Saville, but It fear like any other country, the answer would be yes. Close enough -- the music industry which is inextricably linked with TV via the media industry had Hiromu "gently caress you I'm not going to call you Johnny" Kitagawa who is not quite on the same level but gave it his best shot and will have his reputation protected forever by an industry that has even more to hide! KozmoNaut posted:The trick is that they have no legal basis to demand anything. The fee is technically mandatory, but there are no legal means for them to fine you or cut off your signal if you simply refuse to let them in, and never sign up. Yep, same here -- legal obligation to pay but no penalty for non-payment. What the gently caress is the point of that. Lynxifer posted:One of my bigger issues is that fact that as a licence payer, I have no control over how my fee is used. I don't mean literally what department it goes to, but if I wanted more or less of one thing? Too loving bad, suck it up pleb. How do you feel about paying income tax? You realise that you have the same level of control about how your tax dollars are spent, right?
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Aug 29, 2019 04:36
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mobby_6kl posted:Oh gently caress looks like I'm at least partially responsible for starting like the 15th round of MP3 player talk ITT. hell yea bro, the portable cd player arms race at my school was hilarious. convincing ur parents to buy u a model with the gumstick batteries was the nuclear option. that poo poo was soooo thin WOW!!!
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Aug 29, 2019 12:01
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Bobby Digital posted:This reminded me of buying an iPod before they were USB-compatible and having to buy one of these: And that reminds me of the PowerBook G4 I bought in 2003, right as USB was on the edge of becoming the standard interface, but not yet the omnipresent format it is now. It came with USB ports, but also a PCMCIA slot, and for good measure both a FireWire 400 and a FireWire 800 port, because let's not forget Apple's genius move of coming out with two different FireWire standards that each used a different, incompatible interface. (It also had DVI, S-video out, Ethernet, modem, headphone, and mic ports - it was like a Swiss Army knife of soon-to-be-obsolete interfaces.)
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Aug 29, 2019 12:28
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Rexxed posted:I appreciate the mp3 player chat because I had a couple, and old mp3 players are kind of neat, although at this point my sandisk sansa which I got in 2008 and still works perfectly is only technically obsolete due to having small internal storage. My first mp3 playing hardware that wasn't my PC was the Creative Nomad II. I still have it although it no longer powers on. Those SmartMedia cards could hold so much data! I could fit an album or two on each one. The microSD card is in frame to show the difference in size. I had the NOMAD Jukebox Zen Xtra (I had the 30Gb) for years. I don't use it anymore, but it still works.
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Aug 29, 2019 12:35
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Yay! MP3 chat again! And NO I won't repost my effortpost of getting an old Pine DMusic 32MB player to work.
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Aug 29, 2019 13:00
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My MP3 player is my hated smartphone but I recently rescued my old PSP from my parents' house and if I can fix its power supply issues I'm seriously thinking about going back to that.
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Aug 29, 2019 13:06
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Lynxifer posted:#TVLicencing chat. I think I remember reading a story, which I think was from a South African newspaper, about someone who had an inspector come to his house (or perhaps shack) demanding a TV license fee, so he killed the inspector and bail was only half the cost of the license. You do the math! 
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Aug 29, 2019 13:13
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My Lovely Horse posted:My MP3 player is my hated smartphone but I recently rescued my old PSP from my parents' house and if I can fix its power supply issues I'm seriously thinking about going back to that. I got mine going again and put CFW on it, was quite fun for a while. The one reason I got it going again was I found a 'Not For Retail' Copy of Tekken Dark Resurrection" in my stuff that I didn't even know I owned. Dammit - the optical drive is borked!
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Aug 29, 2019 13:38
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I'm going to a tech recycler this weekend to hopefully find a DVD RAM drive and get this thread back on track.
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Known Lecher posted:And that reminds me of the PowerBook G4 I bought in 2003, right as USB was on the edge of becoming the standard interface, but not yet the omnipresent format it is now. Apple and their ports deserve particular scorn no matter what decade we’re in. I had a G4 eMac that had USB 1.1 along with FireWire and then Apple quickly discontinued the FireWire iPod so I couldn’t buy a new iPod without also upgrading my computer. And USB 2 was a thing on lots of computers when they released their AiO non-upgradable desktop. I can’t recall whether iMac users were equally screwed by Apple saving a dollar on port speed. I did like FireWire though. I still have two hard drives daisy chained with FireWire 400 and plugged into a FireWire 800 port with an adapter.
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Known Lecher posted:And that reminds me of the PowerBook G4 I bought in 2003, right as USB was on the edge of becoming the standard interface, but not yet the omnipresent format it is now. Yeah I've been keeping an eye out for a Powerbook G4 for exactly those reasons: it's the most modern machine that can run OS 9, and it's got a shitload of ports for whatever weird old gear I turn up. Unfortunately the time to acquire one would have been like 2005-2010 when people were upgrading; they're pretty scarce these days and ebay sellers are sketchy and evasive as always.
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Known Lecher posted:And that reminds me of the PowerBook G4 I bought in 2003, right as USB was on the edge of becoming the standard interface, but not yet the omnipresent format it is now. You forgot the second firewire 400 interface, which apple never used. That was just like, sony and various camcorders.
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Shut up Meg posted:I'll admit I am cherry-picking examples, but my point is that the BBC doesn't have the same pressure to cater for the lowest-common denominator in order to win the viewing-figures battle. https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl6p Looks to be the same generic crappy low-effort reality television as is produced everywhere else. "Alistair Appleton helps a woman in north Devon looking for a home on a £600,000 budget." Compelling! If that's the kind of programming you can produce when even poor people are required to pay you a license fee, I'm sold. Really puts shows like The Wire and Breaking Bad in their place. Phanatic has a new favorite as of 21:55 on Aug 29, 2019 |
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Zenostein posted:You forgot the second firewire 400 interface, which apple never used. That was just like, sony and various camcorders. 4 pin I think? That was the compact port. I think the only difference was it didn't provide power. I'm not sure I've ever run a FireWire device without an external power source though. FireWire was great for video. I ran so many MiniDV's through my various FireWire interfaces. They used less overhead than USB, but even then you didn't want to be doing anything else on your computer while you were importing video. "Oh, let's load this webpage in the background, oh great now I've got missed frames."
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Humphreys posted:Yay! MP3 chat again! And NO I won't repost my effortpost of getting an old Pine DMusic 32MB player to work. But what about the story about your title??
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I acquired one of these gigantic motherfuckers shortly after their release when my Dad won it in a competition: The Creative Jukebox. An MP3 player in 2000 with six gigabytes of memory felt like having essentially infinite space. I loved that thing, though it was really stretching the definition of portable.
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FireWire and SCSI put a lot of the load on the device and relied on a less-defined set of protocols. This allowed it to be extremely low-overhead to move data around and equally flexible provided every other layer from hardware up to drivers and literal applications. SCSI comes up a lot when comparing to the more-PC-centric IDE, ATAPI, etc concepts, but was used much more broadly in application than just (basically) disk drives. You aren’t going to find many IDE photo scanners for example. FireWire was also a low level implementation for moving data and similarly has been used in situations where USB was a non-starter. In both cases, the easier-to-implement and less-specific standard evolved down the original path. SATA is still what IDE used to be, USB 3 is still for jamming random things into almost anything. Thunderbolt is for massive bandwidth high performance things, SCSI is for some nerd poo poo you keep in your basement.
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USB 2.0 and especially 1.1 loving sucked. Equipment that supported FireWire was sadly rare, but when you did get it, it was like having future space tech.
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I always assumed that firewire failed because usb 2.0 was good enough and you don't really need two different connectors doing the same thing. I didn't realise that Apple hosed it into the ground because they got greedy. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/the-rise-and-fall-of-firewire-the-standard-everyone-couldnt-quite-agree-on/ quote:Despite rising Mac sales, Apple's financial situation remained dire. The company needed more income. After being informed of IBM's hundreds of millions in yearly patent revenue, CEO Steve Jobs authorized a change in FireWire's licensing policy. Apple would now charge a fee of $1 per port. (So if a device has two ports, that's $2 per unit.)
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SLOSifl posted:SCSI is for some nerd poo poo you keep in your basement. Yup, I built and still have a 4-drive CD duplicator mini-tower. 4 SCSI Plextor CD burners, and the whole thing connected via SCSI to my old desktop PC back in the day.
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Rest in piss steve "super conman" jobs.
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Platystemon posted:USB 2.0 and especially 1.1 loving sucked. The instructions for my Panasonic DV cam with FireWire are something like: 1. Plug cable into PC 2. Plug cable into cam 3. Turn on cam 4. Turn on PC and if you don't follow the procedure correctly, it might destroy the cam (apparently the cam can't handle static charge in the cable or something?) and it won't be fixed under warranty. Having to follow a complex procedure with dire consequences (that thing was expensive!) if I get it wrong does make it feel like I'm on a space station  Is this normal for FireWire, or could you hot-plug most devices?
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Speaking of SCSI, my HP ScanJet 4C still works with an Adaptec AHA-2940AU SCSI card on a Win 7 32-bit install. I'm considering seeing if Win 10 32-bit will upgrade without driver issues. The HP Deskscan software I'm using is from 1998. I don't use it a lot so there's not a huge impetus to upgrade. It seems like most cheap modern scanners are meant for 8 1/2 x 11" paper and are included with MFC printers. Larger formats are still a bit more of a premium.
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Shut up Meg posted:I always assumed that firewire failed because usb 2.0 was good enough and you don't really need two different connectors doing the same thing. Steve did the same loving thing with IBM and NeXTstep. IBM was ready to load NeXTstep on their PC’s instead of Windows and he kept screwing them over on licensing. Jobs was saved by a handful of revolutionary products that made everyone forget all the other terrible business decisions he made.
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I remember when I was working at a computer store in 2007 or 2008 and some lady brought in a dual Pentium 3 computer with SCSI that she was using as a server. Like wtf.
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Phanatic posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl6p you did not just step to Escape to the Country you absolute loving fool it blows the American comparables like House Hunters out of the water
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Shut up Meg posted:That money is used to create media for the British public to enjoy. That media does not have revenue generation as its primary criteria, unlike private TV broadcasters. Phanatic posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl6p It's easy to pick out some reality TV garbage and use it to argue against the TV licence. But you've got to look at the cutting-edge stuff the BBC makes. Take Poldark, for example, which is now on it's 5th series on the BBC. It was produced by Mammoth Screen, who are owned by... oh, ITV. Right, ignore that one... Sherlock! Everyone knows Sherlock. And produced by Alright then, The Blue Planet, Planet Earth and Frozen Planet. Definitely BBC productions! Well, sort of. It would be unfair to say that they were all also co-produced by the Discovery Channel, because that would be unfair to our old pals NHK (previously mentioned in this discussion) who also co-produced Planet Earth along with the BBC and the Discovery Channel. Line of Duty, that's definitely the BBC.. oh, no, World Productions. Guess who they're owned by? Starts with I and ends with TV. Well, Bodyguard! Definitely B... oh what's the point. World Productions again. So, as you can see, the BBC But they're just selling programmes to make money to make more great programmes, surely? Like when they sell Mock the Week and QI re-runs to Dave, that's just to make money to make more great programmes, right? Well, no. Because in June of this year, BBC Studios, using money given to them from the BBC (which in turn was given to them by TV licence payers) got around the rather pesky problem of letting TV channels get advertising revenue from showing BBC programmes by simply buying those channels. So now the BBC owns: UKTV Alibi Dave Drama Eden Gold W Yesterday You'll notice two things here: firstly, there are adverts on all of those channels. Secondly, they're all on FREEVIEW, which is hilariously loving ironic. The BBC in it's current form is an impressive level of smoke and mirrors, trading on their reputation as "Auntie" in the hope that nobody notices it's basically just a private company that does what ever it drat well pleases. Finally: Shut up Meg posted:It is isolated from the govt by law which means it is very difficult for the sitting govt to influence it. haha what
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Arivia posted:you did not just step to Escape to the Country you absolute loving fool it blows the American comparables like House Hunters out of the water
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Arivia posted:you did not just step to Escape to the Country you absolute loving fool it blows the American comparables like House Hunters out of the water Eh, there's some real gold in the American house finding shows. Like when the host finds literally everything the person wants in a house, but one of the walls was the wrong color so they will stick with their lovely house.
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Cojawfee posted:Eh, there's some real gold in the American house finding shows. Like when the host finds literally everything the person wants in a house, but one of the walls was the wrong color so they will stick with their lovely house. those shows are all 100% fake
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boar guy posted:those shows are all 100% fake Obviously, but they are fun to watch.
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Cojawfee posted:Obviously, but they are fun to watch. i am being 100% sincere when i say i would appreciate it if you could tell me why
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