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Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

32MB OF ESRAM posted:

Yeah you're basically buying a second of 35mm film in a 24-shot roll

Two seconds, actually. 35mm movie film has each exposure being 4 sprocket holes long. In a still camera, 35mm film uses 8 sprocket holes per exposure.

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Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Ron Jeremy posted:

Shout out to the cheap laser printers. I have a $50 dollar one I picked up from Fry's and she's still chugging ~8 years later

I bought a $70 USB one off of newegg when I was taking a screenwriting class something like 7-8 years ago, and since then I've only ever had to replace the toner exactly once, and it's still going.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Nutsngum posted:

First phone was the 3310 which was just a fantastic testament to well built design and then the "Navigator" slide phone which I still have sitting around and likely still works fantastically. The navigator had a great form factor actually and the usability was just super nice.

Its drat amazing just how much Apple killed Nokia post Iphone release considering Nokia was THE phone manufacturer for a solid decade. Had they jumped on board to the Android uprising from the get go instead of stubbornly trying to make Symbian a relevant OS they might have taken the spot that Samsung currently holds.

Yeah, but Android was Not Invented Here™.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
Why DID computer cases go from beige to black in the mid-late 2000's?

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
You know what consumer electronics / PC hardware trend I really hope dies out soon? The practice of including eye searingly bright blue LED's on everything.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
I have a 26" Toshiba HDCRT that's sitting in storage until I get moved in to my new place, it makes HD and SD look good. Right now though, I'm just using my PC, which I stuck a CableCARD tuner into a few years ago. (Which itself, is pretty much another failed technology at this point)

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

LethalGeek posted:

It sucks it never took off but I love my cable box PC. Makes everything about SMART TVs look as dumb as they actually are.

Same here, I have an InfiniTV 4 PCIe in my PC, which is good if you're somewhere where space is at a premium.

CableCARD's problem was that, among other things, the cable companies only supported it because they were legally obligated to, and it showed. Plus it didn't help that until Windows 7, you couldn't buy a tuner as a standalone device, it had to come pre-installed with the PC. And by the time the restrictions were changed and you could buy a tuner by itself, streaming services were already starting to take off.

Of course it tended to be pretty finicky and a pain to set up, but it was nice once everything was set up and working.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
I bought a cheap HP laserjet like 8 years ago, and I've only ever had to change the toner once. Got me through uni without problems, even when I had classes give me tons of PDFs to read that I had to print out. (and then after uni, I just didn't have as much of a need to print stuff)

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Your Computer posted:

I've had people tell me I needed a firewire audio interface for my home recording studio because it (the cable, not the hardware) sounds "so much purer than USB". Preferably hooked up to a mac, of course. :eng99: It wouldn't surprise me if audiophiles kept FW alive, they're dumb as bricks.

A lot people in the video world used to use it back in the days of DV (something else that can go in this thread). When I was at film school, everybody had a Firewire hard drive to keep their projects on. The fact that it used a hardware controller made it less likely to drop frames during capture with the hardware of the time.

Of course, everything's tapeless now so it's no longer a problem if you have I/O hiccups when dumping an SD card to disk.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Krispy Kareem posted:

Has anyone ever actually daisy-chained USB devices? I remember that was supposed to be one of its big advantages, but I guess it was just easier to build more USB ports than chain a bunch of devices off of one. Firewire daisy-chained like a champ.

As obsolete as Firewire is, I still have a few dozen decade-old DV tapes of home movies I need to eventually edit and when I do it'll be through a 1394 port.

On to more possibly obsolete or at least under utilized port-chat, the just announced Surface 4 will access a discrete GPU in it's keyboard base via ThunderBolt.

The keyboard on my Mac Pro at work has some USB ports on it that are great for thumb-drives and charging my phone, but nothing really beyond that.

Also, didn't the PS2 originally use Firewire for LAN play for some reason?

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Krispy Kareem posted:

One of those home design shows on TLC had the hosts showing before/after footage to homeowners on a miniDV tape player with it's own LCD display. That's the only time I've ever seen one and I wanted that thing so badly. I had to buy a cheap DV camcorder long after I stopped using tape because I didn't have a medium to transfer old material.

Just checked, the used miniDV players still go for $300 on eBay. :sigh:

I've got projects sitting around on DVCAM, and even a couple of things on Beta SP :shepicide:

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

0toShifty posted:

My Grandpa uses a 2005 iMac G5 for his video editing. He used to use a Sony Digital8 camcorder, and he has a firewire connected Digital8 VCR connected to the iMac.

When his last Sony camcorder died, he was forced to upgrade to MiniDV, on a Canon Vixia - it still had firewire so that was okay for him.

He still edits on iMovie on OS X Tiger. When he's done he burns a DVD, and then he backs his edited movie to a Digital8 tape on the VCR. I have no idea where he's still getting all these tapes.

To be clear, Digital8 is just the exact same DV25 codec but on a Hi8 tape.

And my first production class back in high school taught me how to edit on a linear tape-based system, that was fun.

When I was growing up, we had a Macintosh LC running System 7 for the longest time, no CD drive for it, just the floppy drive. We did have a modem for it, and we could get online and do emails (through compuserve) but we couldn't get a web browser working on it. Plus we were limited to the 5 games that were on a 68k mac at the time.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Nah, I wasn't poking fun at you--it was a bit of self-deprecating humor. Seems like it was just yesterday that I was going to trade shows and marveling about new Amiga peripherals and watching demos of sweet-looking games about to be released. Now, people are amazed that the things can even sequence audio. :corsair:

Same here, I remember seeing the jump from the SNES/Genesis to the N64/PSX and feeling like "we are living in the loving future." and I don't think there's been a console generation leap that's felt quite as big since then.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Phanatic posted:

What?

Seriously, *what*?

Two words: Trumpet. Winsock.

Oh god you just gave me PTSD flashbacks to those days.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Ozz81 posted:

I still remember the mall nearby having some old VR game in the arcade in the 90s - graphics that were blocky, a big platform to stand in with a helmet, and the choppy gameplay. Now just shy of 20 years later we have all that with better realism, smaller and more powerful hardware, and more game variety. And compared to then, you don't have to take out a second mortgage to afford it - poo poo blows my mind.

I remember seeing something like that at the Stratosphere in Las Vegas when I was a kid, and they were running Duke Nukem 3D on it for some reason.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

empty baggie posted:

From my understanding, Betamax was still used at places like news stations for decades after VHS won the home video wars, and wasn't deemed obsolete until digital took over.

That's Betacam SP, not Betamax. Betacam SP uses a much stronger and more durable tape formula, and runs the tape through the heads a lot faster.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
Weren't the Gateway and Dell stores that briefly existed that way as well? You'd go into the store, look at the merchandise and customize your order and then it'd be shipped to you?

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
Vista and onwards started defragmenting hard drives in the background.

As for 2000 and XP, NTFS was a lot more robust against fragmentation than FAT32 was, though it wasn't perfect. But Microsoft felt that NTFS was guarded against the problems of fragmentation to the point where Microsoft didn't include a defragmenter in the NT branch of windows until Windows 2000.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
Here's a technology that belongs in this thread: Automatic seatbelts.

For those who don't know or weren't in the US in the late 80's/early 90's, the NHSTA mandated that all cars have some kind of "Passive Restraint" system, such as airbags. But since airbags at the time were too expensive to include in every car, the wording of the law allowed car manufacturers to use an alternative system.

In this case, on the front seats was a motorized seat belt that went across the shoulders. Though you till had to fasten the lap belt yourself.

My first car had them, and my current car has them.

Car manufacturers stopped including them when they realized that automatic seat belts were godawful and nobody wanted them.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
I live in LA so I can just run it up to fotokem or pro8, problem solved! :v:

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

SLOSifl posted:

A few generations of 3D printers from now and I bet audiophiles will do this. Then you can print the original dust from the basement of some poor mother's house texture of the recording.

Actually, there's already people doing this.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Ultimate Mango posted:

There is autocorrect for non-SA members?

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Basically, the amount of profanity that people posted here was causing ad networks to drop SA and forcing Lowtax and radium (still admin at the time) to switch to shadier ad providers. As a workaround to this, word filters were set up for anybody who wasn't logged in to replace phrases like "gently caress" with "gently caress" if you weren't logged in.

People who used to lurk without an account before buying one were often unaware of the filters and thought that everyone on SA genuinely talked like that and would sincerely say things like 'gently caress you,' leading to people making fun of them for that mistake.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

twistedmentat posted:

I had someone not too long ago go on how laserdisks are better quality than blurays or Hd streaming. Somehow I think that's not true. The main draw of laserdisk collection is to get rare stuff like the unaltered versions of Star Wars in decent quality, or special features on films that were only available on the LDs.

In the late 90's there was a belief that Laserdisc looked better than DVD.

And at the time it wasn't entirely wrong. Because the mastering chain for laserdisc was fairly mature by then, and the people making laserdiscs knew what they were doing, they could pop out really nice quality releases. DVD on the other hand was in its infancy and the mastering and encoding process wasn't quite there. At the time, a lot of DVDs were badly encoded and had fairly low bitrates, which meant that a lot of early DVD releases looked like rear end.

By 1999 or so when the matrix was released on DVD, the process for mastering and encoding a DVD was pretty ingrained and by then DVD could easily outpace laserdisc.

But to say that it looks better than blu-ray or high def streaming is just straight up dumb.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

DrBouvenstein posted:

I remember everyone being disappointed that virtually no movies other than The Matrix* really made use of the multiple angle creature.

*And porn, of course.

I think some movies used it for having different language versions of text that was on screen. I know that Star Wars did it for alternate language versions of the opening crawl.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Keiya posted:

Minidisc acgtually had caddies. Why didn't CD, DVD, bluray, etc have them? Seriously... a little cartridge thing to protect the drat disk would be the same size as a jewelcase, probably more durable than a jewelcase 'cause it wouldn't have to open easily, and probably no more expensive than a jewelcase.

There were some early CD-ROM drives that used caddies. They were kind of a pain in the rear end to use, and disc manufacturers hated them because you couldn't fit as many of them into a box

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
Personally, that's one of the biggest problems I've had with a lot of recent Blu-Ray releases is that they tend to overdo the digital noise reduction and kill a lot of fine detail in the process.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
I think the N64 and GameCube were the only Nintendo consoles not to get a major redesign during their lifetime to shrink it down.

Granted there were redesigns made but they were mostly internal changes and didn't have an entirely new case.

Edit: also I'm pretty sure that the Wii Mini can't play GameCube games

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

ryonguy posted:

Is the reason when more than three(?) sprites were on the same horizontal level on my NES they would flicker related to something like this?

The NES was limited to 8 sprites per scanline and 64 sprites per screen. Any more than that per scanline would cause flicker. Remember though that sprites were limited to 8x8 pictures and many times characters on screen would be made up on multiple sprites.

And also keep in mind that sprites weren't just used to draw the player character and enemies, but also objects such as pipes. or obstacles.

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Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Efexeye posted:

I have a little coax to USB Hauppage dongle that gets basic cable to my PC but it seems difficult to get a card nowadays that has the full tuner functionality of a cable box. I guess they don't want you filling cheap terabytes up with shows?

The US uses a system called "CableCARD" where you have to buy a CableCARD tuner, and rent a special PCMCIA card from your cable company that contains the decryption keys. Of course, the only tuning software on PC that will work with CableCARD is Windows Media Center, which was axed from Windows 10.

Of course, while CableCARD has been around for a while, for the longest time, you couldn't buy a standalone CableCARD tuner. Legally, CableCARD tuners could only be sold as a part of a pre-built PC. And then in 2009 CableLabs, the company that sets the Cable TV standards, relaxed the requirements, and you could buy standalone CableCARD tuners. But by then the writing was on the wall for Cable TV and more and more people were using streaming services instead.

So there were only a handful of CableCARD tuners made. But with Microsoft dropping Windows Media Center from Windows 10, the people who bought CableCARD tuners are poo poo out of luck.

Also I should mention that CableCARD was a finicky pain in the rear end to set up on a PC. Cable companies only supported it because they were legally required to by the FCC, and it showed.

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Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


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LethalGeek posted:

Im still happily running one of said CableCARD devices. http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv/ has been happily humming along for shoot 5 years now I think. Though you are absolutely right that every 6 months or so I have to kick something on the machine to get it going again. Recently we nearly lost all program guide updates as DST breaks something at MS end that they had to fix and they did it the day before we finally ran out of guide.

Thankfully there's no good reason to update a HTPC to Windows 10, or 8 for that matter. It's going to happily run 7 until 2022 or whenever the last security updates go out then I'll see what I'll have to do. I love my little computer box though.

Yeah my HTPC has an InfiniTV4 PCIe, and it's great when it works. I only stopped using it because when I moved, I never bother getting Cable TV again and just streamed everything.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


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My Lovely Horse posted:

I half remember something about the zapper being too gun-shaped and they wanted to use a more abstract shape? Like either so the police don't mistake a zapper for a gun or just so kids don't get used to using guns. (Remember, it's the company that doesn't do online voice chat, and who knows, maybe they're on to something.)

sidenote: when the Wii controller wasn't yet announced there were all kinds of rumours and mockups and I think one jokey one was just a zapper with an analog stick at the back. Glad to see someone took that as inspiration.

And yet the Super Scope was the light gun that was brought into a congressional hearing about video game violence.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
I've used TaxiMagic/Curb in the past, which works pretty similar to Uber but uses actual cab companies, that works out nicely. Especially as the cabs around here are pretty decent.

The last time I used Uber was to go from my apt to Disneyland, and I had to hold my drivers hands with directions on how to get to the drop-off area for the park. On the way back, we just said gently caress it and got into one of the cabs that was waiting at the curb there.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
If your passenger seat load is heavy enough to set off the seatbelt sensor, it's probably heavy enough to do some real damage if it goes flying if you stopped suddenly.

Alternatively, use your trunk.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


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Spyware-infected or horrifically unstable codec packs like K-lite at that.

But before that you had to have a dozen different media players installed on your system. Like Quicktime, which couldn't do full screen unless you paid money to unlock it.

The codec mess from before h.264 became prominent is something I don't miss at all.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Sir Unimaginative posted:

Happened with XP, and we didn't think XP's security model would become impossible to secure until it did, and if anything users have gotten more obtuse and obstinate since its heyday, not less.

Weren't most of the machines that ended up in botnets running Windows XP FCKGW edition, which was blacklisted from security updates?

I mean, you're not wrong about it, but I'd hope Microsoft learnt their lesson after how bad it turned out to be to have a blacklist for security updates.

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Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


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Sir Unimaginative posted:

Also possibly true; most pickle jars are listed by total agricultural mass, and when you buy one the brine may take up more and the pickled cucumbers inside correspondingly fewer in number and smaller in mass and volume compared to the same product from the same supplier at another store even within the same chain (and upscale shops may also pay for or otherwise secure preferential choice among which batches they receive from the manufacturer with regard to quality).

Also packaged food companies will vary the quantity of food inside the bags based on food prices at the time to keep the sticker price the same.

So while a bag of potato chips will cost you $.99, the amount of potato chips in the bag will vary with food prices.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


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I definitely remember hearing all about those when the 2004 election was happening and there was the whole brouhaha about those Dan Rather memos.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


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Platystemon posted:

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who among us hasn't pulled a 21 hour day at some point?

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
I got tired of dealing with inkjets in like 2007, so when i had to start printing a crapload of stuff for a screenwriting class, I ended up buying a cheap black and white HP Laserjet.

In the 10 years I've owned it, I've only ever had to replace the toner once.

Best decision I ever made.

Also, I still have a Canon LiDE scanner that used to work great... until there was an OS X update that removed all the driver support for TWAIN scanners, including mine.

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Apr 12, 2007


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Are audiophiles still buying old Playstations to use as CD players for some reason?

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