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SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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Not "obsolete" tech, but at my last job we got a prototype biometric face scanner and we were loving around with it. It worked by comparing the distance between your eyes and mouth or something, but when we entered one guy into the system it assumed his nostrils were his eyes. We laughed about it and never told him -- he had to tilt his head in a wacky-rear end direction to get in the door. As far as I know it's entering production.

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SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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hey i'm cross posting from the morrowind thread in games maybe someone will know what i'm talking about :

SniperWoreConverse posted:

oh man I used to have a SUPER OLD computer that my dad made me throw out

it was loving HYPER REAL and the keyboard had more than one kind of shift. The keys had additional characters on the sides, crazy poo poo like GRAPH and there was FUNCT SHIFT CTRL ALT META and I want to say two more

I actually spent a few hours trying to google what the gently caress this thing was, all I can remember is that it was monochrome green, iirc used a single RCA connector for video, and it was of the era where there would be a bigass label with a ton of information on it and this also had a gorilla on there like it was gorilla brand or something. I think my uncle stole it from a university in the 80s?

This thing was def of an era where the controls and alts ment something specific to program flow and pause/break also was important. Probably print screen would have literally printed the screen out, but I didn't have a printer for it.

anyway i bring it up because you guys need to get good and use META-FUNCTION-CTRL-5 to blast spells out. gently caress your "modern," "standard" keyboard bindings

another thing that I think this thing had was a lot of that silvered looking plastic, the matte kind? You know what I mean? They keyboard FOR SURE had one of those extremely old extremely huge barrel connectors, not the smaller one that you used to see had usb converters for.

Now that I think about it it could have had more than one row of f keys but i'm not really that sure, I do remember it having characters on the sides of the individual keys you had to meta shift into and maybe some of them were like math alpha pi numbers or something and some seemed to be command things like GRAPH

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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that stuff looks drat close to the space cadet but I can't remember if it's exactly it or not. The colors might be off? Really I probably don't remember it that well, except i'm completely certain it had characters on the sides of the keys and seemed like ultra next level, but outdated, stuff.

It def had that whole super meta poo poo going on and for sure had no mouse of any kind. I think that might actually be it. I could believe it was some part of some mainfraime system like a terminal, but I dunno how he managed to smuggle it out. I do know he also somehow snagged a VHS when that poo poo was cutting edge.

Now that I think about it he may have been able to get it normally just by knowing a guy and we always joked that he stole it, but I'm fairly certain when he got it it was at least a little valuable. He gave me a ton of that poo poo way in the old days when I was first getting into computers. drat shame I let the old man pitch it.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

Pham Nuwen posted:

If it was a Symbolics machine, it would have definitely had a mouse, and he says there was no mouse. Which is good, because if he threw out a Symbolics machine (instead of sending it to me) he's history's greatest monster.

Note that the "graph" key may have simply been used to type additional characters, as in the AltGr key (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key), rather than some sort of graphing-specialized thing.

is possible.

I swear if there was some website that cataloged the various kinds of this stuff and actually showed the labels on the backs of the monitors and poo poo I would be able to figure out exactly what it was, or at least what part of it was. I swear there was a gorilla emblem on there somewhere and it was rad as heck

Instead all I get are fuckin screenshots of custom nerd terminal emulator setups

if it had a mouse there was no mouse included when I received it.


wa27 posted:

This is my dad's current phone (Samsung Convoy). I took this pic 5 years ago after he had a house fire. It melted pretty bad and the outer screen is dead, but it still works fine. If Samsung had a museum, this should be in there like the Desert Storm Game Boy.



loving incredible that's awesome although it blows that's the way you guys found out about its durability

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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I spliced a Xbox 1 duke & a couple random usb cables in the world's worst solder job. Yes it connected to the pc, but the real reason was to connect a keyboard so I could play phantasy star and chat

Iirc the Xbox either had an extra lead in the cable, possibly for the memory cards, but the guide I used was certain it was for the few gun controllers specifically.

I think in those days some usbs had a fifth yellow one for like... sensing devices were plugged in? Don't remember. I think if that's how usb is almost all devices dispensed with the wire and used the female plug itself.

Whatever the deal, mine had that extra yellow line and I just never connected it and left it hanging out loose lol

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
I will guess that you rub that on your uh items to remove dusts.
Maybe vinyl, maybe something weird like a screen or those videodisks or some poo poo. I think prob vinyl but don't know what's 80s about it. Gonna guess you rub it in one direction and don't go against the grain either

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
If it doesn't boil at first just run the microwave again at double power for twice as long

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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LifeSunDeath posted:

Used to have this thing, and it had an RSS readout feature, it was so useless since the screen is small as hell and you could only read the headlines, still i thought it was cool at the time


see this is the exact type of poo poo that should be common by now, fuckin cyberpunk poo poo. Slamming those g keys for hypernet ultracomputing

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

Jerry Cotton posted:

The cables aren't thick, it's all the garden hose over the cable.

somebody bought a bunch to chop open and found out they were packed with iron shavings between the outer cover and the inner cable

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SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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Powered Descent posted:

If you can swing it, billions of miles away from the nearest wind and rain is even better. Here's a data archive from 1977 that'll last a while. Its musical selections, audio clips, and images will still be perfectly intact long after the Sun has burned out.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record
Peruse the contents yourself: http://goldenrecord.org

Time to post this again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibByF9XPAPg

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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twistedmentat posted:

I'm sad all the cds of early 2000s porn will be lost forever due to digital rot.

Ironically an ancestral cache of woodsporn will survive beyond the last cdrporn

Ozymandias, but a corrupted .avi

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Two vast and trunkless balls of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered phallus lies

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

TotalLossBrain posted:

gently caress. This garbage was everywhere and it was so drat useless and irritating.

more irritating than someone stabbing a finger directly into the screen everytime they want to point something out to you?

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Ham radio havers should throw off the "law" and start broadcasting tv, music, and internet to whoever wants it

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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Kwyndig posted:

I doubt Hams would appreciate you hogging their bandwidth with internet noises anyway.

Just do the audio equivalent of stenography at first, and then hook up your ham to your home network as if it's a switch that has all the hams you can connect to plugged into it or whatever

Obviously once you get a critical mass of them all in on hamcrimes the normal isps can be done away with, this is both technically and socially extremely plausible and the ham area network will be fine

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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uli2000 posted:

Ham here. I promise, we're all not batshit crazy Omaba hatin' diabetes havin' boomer, but yeah, most are.


That guy is what's called a rover. There are ham radio contests (yes, it's a thing) where hams try to make contacts with different countries or different areas. This guy is is all likelihood activating different Maidenhead grid squares for a VHF and up contest (50 mhz and up) contest transmitting in multiple squares, often times in areas where there may not be many hams or many people. During these contests hams get 'points' for making contacts with as many grids and/or other hams, and those that collect the most points often times get plaques or certificates proving you are the most ham.




Data via ham radio is still governed by archaic symbol rate rules. Anything on HF (30 mhz or below) has a maximum rate of 300 baud, VHF (30-300mhz) is 1200 baud, and UHF (300-3000mhz) is 9600 baud. The more data you send, the more bandwith it takes, which is at a premium, especially in the HF bands. Hams have lots of bandwidth in various chunks above UHF, including exclusive portions of 2.4 and 5.8ghz, just below and into the unlicensed wifi bands, which hams have been using for enhanced uses like broadband hamnet and AREDN. Hams have had a class A block of ip addresses since 1981 (44.x.x.x). The group that controls the block sold off a chunk of it to Amazon last year, but they still hold 75% of the block that can be assigned to hams.

:argh: amazon!!
e: no matter, once you get into ham crimes these details don't mean much because you're already in too deep to the lifestyle

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SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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milk is for the weak and invalid

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

Cojawfee posted:

Those are at least symmetrical so they wouldn't be ripping themselves apart in your drive.

I've ripped apart circular disks before, it was like throwing a rock into a lawn mower and locked up the whole pc

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

Phanatic posted:

This will blow your loving mind, then.

Pennsylvania has some of the dumbest alcohol laws in the country. This is a result of the end of prohibition, when the legislature wanted legal booze but the governor was an ardent prohibitionist. So what got passed was an alcohol control measure designed to, and I quote, making buying booze "as inconvenient and expensive as possible." Every bit of time since then has been people trying to drag the LCB into the future with rope and a lot of muscle power and the LCB digging in and taking a contested step forwards every once in a great while.

A bunch of years ago, people were realizing "Wait, we can get into grocery stores in most states, including New Jersey, and buy wine. Why can't we do that here?" After making the requisite noises about how it prevents underage drinking, or how state monopsony on buying wine gives the consumer better prices and selection (really), they decided to throw a dog a bone and implement a pilot program of...wine vending machines.

A very few select grocery stores were allowed to spend a shitload of money to install these kiosks. To buy wine through them, you make your selection, swipe your ID, then you blow into a breathalyzer (can't sell booze to someone who's already drunk, after all), and then look into a camera so a state employee in Harrisburg can verify you match the ID and approve the sale.

And of course that means that those vending machines didn't work on Sundays or holidays.

And as a bonus, the state got sued by the company it contracted to build and install the machines, because they aborted the program (because people hated it) after only 32 had been installed rather than the 100 it contracted for. I'm not sure what the outcome was but it involved at least $300,000 in legal fees. It also lost over a million dollars on the program itself.


This was the best one. I need to find it, I'm sure I have it packed away somewhere:

https://www.discogs.com/Billy-And-The-Boingers-Bootleg/release/1220755

oh my god

holy poo poo I think I have an idea what tech they used for the camera / breathalyzer. I used to work for a house arrest company that had gear like that and i'm sure is in the timeframe.

Basically it was a modified DOS system that was highly futuristic and NOT Y2K compliant, and it fit into a big tower size case, like actual tower size. It had some kind of card that was essentially a bank of modems, and another one that had those stabby AV outs, the ones that had actual impedance ratings written next to the jack. It also had a headset and what was pretty much an answering machine, and a bank of black and white crt monitors.

The way it worked is you would enter someone into the system, then record a series of short instruction clips, like "[client] take your test now." "Press send." It would call these people's landlines according to a schedule you had to put in, and on the other side was a little crt with a vaccum tube camera. It also had a breathalyzer. What would happen is they would pick up the phone get the message, and have to take the test. What the camera saw would show up on the screen and they would check to see that the alcohol results were in frame with their face, then they would hit send and it would transmit a super low quality pic back to the system to get stored. You could interrupt the test and talk to them at any time if they were loving up or refusing the test.

The part that was inside the house was completely dumb and you could do stuff like hook two of them together and they would be able to send one image frame back and forth, that's how we tested them to see what was broke and what wasn't. Sometimes you would have to press on the sides of the screen to get it to work for some reason. The system could handle a shitload of people if you had enough land lines and monitors and stuff, and as long as they weren't dicking around it would work pretty much automatically.

Iirc they had some kind of really weird system of like magnetooptical disks to store the records and these were absolutely bolted on way after the fact as an upgrade, they looked like they were a decade in the future from the rest of the system. I think it was specifically this kind of disk because literally nothing else worked with either the software or whatever weird peripheral bus that thing had. It was super archaic in general but that thing was goddamn bulletproof and if you powered it on right now i'm absolutely confident that it would still work, assuming there are any non-destroyed pieces of endpoint hardware.

When I quit I made sure to steal one of the vaccum tubes, because I wasn't able to find even one pic in gis for any of the system here it is:


It says it's a Panasonic S4097 Matsushita, made in japan, 28 28 U
Someone put a sharpie mark on it so it's probably failed. By the time I quit the system had been pretty much gutted and all the really fun poo poo like the monitors and printer and other really weird neat pieces were stolen or made their way to a dumpster.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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It was a highly specialized system, the kind that moves fairly slowly, and yeah it was pretty old. The next system they came out with had regular sensors, although I don't know what kind. It was old enough we were debating how possible it would be to replace certain components with gear developed in house. If I knew the kinda stuff I know now I think we would have at least got to a super lovely prototype.

But this wine vending machine system is totally the kinda poo poo that would have used something similar either the old version or the newer one. The companies that work with this sorta stuff would be salivating at these kinda ludicrous government programs, and manufacturers would love to crack open an additional market.

The fact you had another person on the other side checking the pics is absolutely 100% house arrest tech of a certain era imo. These days things are different, but a lot of gov policies require really weird stuff like that because when stuff like house arrest and breathalyzers first came out nobody making policy had any idea about tech. Even now there's people dictating policy that probably should not be involved.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
drill press is a waste, simply calcine the thing in a furnace and then dissolve the ashes in acid. Then precipitate the precious metals for free money!

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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someone dissect the videosphere and show how it's made so that i can make one from scratch

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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peter gabriel posted:

I don't mind cracking mine open if you really want?

in all honestly i don't think i'm gonna be able to make one from scratch irl. Basically all my tools got stole a while back.

I'd love to have one of those fuckers hanging up tho. It could be real cool to have a few up and post real retrofuturistically

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
I just think it would be cool as gently caress to be able to duplicate the case, like cast a new one or w/e

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
do it it would be fuckin sweet. Even if you put a flat panel in there it'd be cool as hell.

like you could 3d print that case except for the visor part i think. Or some kinda loon could melt down a bunch of beer cans and make it out of aluminum or something crazy



look at this drat thing

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
fuckin look at it

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
yeah i knew it was a render but not that you could buy it. The pics that show other angles than just the front seem to match up.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Which would take less tape space: the audio recording of canyon.mid or the file stored Kansas style?

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

it's a fuckin deck. Like 1 step away from cyberdecks

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Tell me that thing didn't have leds it had that vacuum tube display module like old credit card terminals

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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Mescal posted:

Would this be a good time to complain about windows 7-10? Features called "programs" or "my applications" used to be a convenient place to find my "programs" or "applications." Then if I try to search my PC for them, windows serves me... web results. Thanks. Then I found where a game was installed to change some things, and I couldn't do much because I simply couldn't navigate there. AppData was a hidden folder, and that's where my games were installing? I don't remember how I unhid that and the subfolders, but it certainly was not the normal way of doing it. I think that folder's hidden again now, too. And generally, if you want to change the way windows interacts with you or I/O devices, there are two and sometimes three interfaces that kind of live in different dimensions that might change the thing you want, and one might be a different skin for the same thing or maybe not. Maybe this is all me being stupid, but I feel like you couldn't blame someone having trouble.

In the day, you didn't have to be a "computer person" to do all the things a typical user needs to; you just needed to look around and click on stuff while having common sense about what might be vital organs of the PC you don't want to touch without backup.

i feel like this is obsolete tier like putting stuff in c:\docs\ or something. Installing poo poo to appdata etc lets you install stuff without having to gently caress with permissions too much and can help keep problems firewalled off from other users. When I search, at least, it tries to pull results from all local programs or files, then internet poo poo. There's also a lot of stuff that's in c:\Users\sniperworeconverse\ that sure as poo poo isn't my documents and it's been that way for quite a while. Appdata is old as gently caress.


chglcu posted:

The right click uninstall does work directly for some things. Maybe just for UWP apps or stuff from the MS store or something? I know I got rid of some of the crap that came preinstalled that way, at least.

yeah i dunno exactly what settings or w/e to do it but it's 100% a thing that you can set up when you write a program.


Kwyndig posted:

I used to know where things were, back in like Windows 95/98, then they kept changing where poo poo was located each new version of Windows so now I have no clue and have to play computer archaeologist on my own home PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0wTtiJygY

I wanna say it was sometime around windows 8 i got used to hitting the windows button and then typing out what i wanted and the OS just trying to do it's best to show me what matched. The first time I messed around with 8 i was 100% done with ye olde poo poo. I was totally onboard with sacrificing the desktop and everything.

Was it 8 or 10 that really let you go hog wild slamming windows into different parts of the screen with keyboard shortcuts? Hell yeah, it should have been like that in 95 in the first place. There was a point where hardware had caught up enough with poo poo like "draw a window here" and it did it well enough that i could sit down and start belting work out fast and jumping between different applications etc

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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Imagined posted:

In Windows 10? You just hit the ⊞ Win key and start typing? No mouse required.

Got to be honest I'm looking forward to Windows 11's native ability to run Android apps. I'm not sure exactly what I'll use it for but I'm pretty sure I'll find some cool way to use it, and if for no other reason it ought to increase the availability of Android ports.

What the gently caress this poo poo is getting crazy

Can you run Linux. Is the Linux desktop finally arrived lmao

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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3D Megadoodoo posted:

Thing is, a decent-but-not-great modern keyboard costs like 90€. IBM Model Ms were 2€ at the recycling centre.

Try to remap a key you rarely use. Dunno if it was this thread or some other one I found this: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/keyboard-manager

Or, maybe you can find some piece of crap keyboard and hammer it into shape. Like those joke keyboards that have only ctrl, c, & v. Rig up a one button keyboard to give you the super key.


legooolas posted:

WSL has let you run Linux VMs on Windows 10 for a while, in a way that makes them seem native-ish.

Also I've been running Linux desktops since about 1996, so what do you mean finally arrived? :D

I'm hoping they say that Windows runs Android apps better than Android, in the same way that IBM marketed OS/2 running Windows 3.1 apps better than Windows...

I remember a lot of "this is the year of the Linux desktop you guys finally micro $haft will get what's coming to them!" And it never happened. Linux never took off as a mainstream thing. It'd be pretty funny if it became mainstream by simply getting eaten by Windows like this.

In fact now that I think about it the desktop applications i used to use already have a windows fork, so in a way it's been over. I can't think of any programs that are desktop based.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
absolutely, but it applies to a ton of stuff. I went through my new phone and started denying permissions to apps and it was like 100x "woah oh poo poo bud are u sure it might not work right if you do this!" and tl;dr it in fact works normally. There are an insane poo poo ton of apps that are absolutely irrelevant or don't need the permissions they're "supposed" to have, even after going through during setup and not installing anything beyond absolute bare bones options.

There are a TON of apps that try and pull as much info as possible and get access to your mic and all kinds of poo poo. I was shocked that phones even allow you to change permissions at all tbh.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

goddamn computer how do i save the gif it is i who have become obsolete

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
drat

In idk 2001? I just added e: or d to the shared folders thing and it somehow just worked to let people play roms of bomberman across the network

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
it's kinda neat how it still works as normal too, cause you can just load it normally after the first 3 or 4 if you don't wanna sit down and load the loader

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
that's your everyday chairdog :confused:

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
drat i thought that was for like a case of em

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SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



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Now get real serious and post how to build a computer that can run that stuff from scratch

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