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Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
That was actually during a point in Simonson's run when Ben was depowered. You're looking at Sharon Ventura, or "She-Thing."

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Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
There's something really entertaining about the panel with Kaine crushing the coffee cup that I can't quite articulate yet.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Flameingblack posted:

Wouldn't it lead to Gambit creepily hitting on his friend's daughter? I've never really read X-23 so I haven't seen the two interact.

No, Liu used Gambit as an older voice of experience more than anything else. She's been really trying to set up Gambit with Cecelia Reyes.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
A lot of the characters on that chart have also been moved around since then, due to power creep or storyline factors. Colossus is probably up at least one tier, the Thing should probably be up on the top if Wonder Man is, and Luke Cage should be down with Hank McCoy and the rest.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Vincent posted:

The Spider-Man poochie character got a mini?

Joshua Hale Fialkov is redeeming him slowly but surely.

I'm pretty sure at this point that if you stuck Fialkov and Jeff Parker on the same project, they could turn any character into something worthwhile. "I used to hate the Power Pachyderms, but man, after the Fialkov and Parker one-shot, I really want to see them again!"

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Choco1980 posted:

Weren't the Power Pachyderms just a one shot to begin with?

Yeah, but I saw Linkara was taking a swing at it and so it was fresh in my mind. Substitute whatever deeply flawed idea that you'd prefer to use.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

404GoonNotFound posted:

Why would an Asgardian need a space suit? :spergin:

They still need to breathe, and Thor is much tougher than an "ordinary" Asgardian. He doesn't need one for, uh, reasons, but he's about the only Asgardian who doesn't.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
Edit: Never mind. Gotta rehost this.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Mister Roboto posted:

Namor and Black Adam are pretty much an unspoken inter-company rivalry to as who can be the more stone-cold anti-hero badass, don't they? Both of them get posted a lot in various ways.

Namor doesn't seem as prone to dismembering people.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Lurdiak posted:

There were some high points, like Flag-smasher's introduction or that time Cap punched Reagan, but for the most part it was dumb saturday morning cartoon stuff, and he was on the book for way too long. Remember that terrible sidekick he created who was like a parody of feminists?

If you wanted to put together an illustrated presentation on the best and the worst things about 1980s Marvel, you could do a lot worse than just handing a dude a stack of Gruenwald's Cap comics.

He could get pretty loving weird if nobody stopped him, same as anyone else (holy poo poo is his Quasar book weird in retrospect), but he's fondly remembered for a reason.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Gatts posted:

At that point they should just have him go liquid metal like the T-1000 where his body just finds itself and merges together. I think when Ultimate Hulk tore Wolverine apart he dragged himself to his lower half to heal. Comedy option is progressively tinier Wolverines like Ash and something out of Army of Darkness.

They went out of their way to point out that Ultimate Wolverine's power works differently, which is why he survived decapitation. In that bit where Fury's talking to his head, Fury notes that Logan's started breathing through his skin and they have no idea how he's still able to talk.

616 Logan has moments of spectacular nonsense due to writers not knowing when to quit, but it's been pointed out that he could be killed if you bled him out fast enough (X-23 tried it once), if you drowned him (Daken tried it), or if you threw him into hard vacuum. It's just not efficient or realistic that you'd kill him through straight-up violence.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Sockser posted:

There was some one-off book I remember reading where Logan's skeleton is all loving mangled and Kitty Pryde pushes him around in a wheel chair and then kills him by phasing her hand inside his skull and just kinda jumbling the bits up real quicklike.

I just reread that a couple of weeks ago. It's Hisako, not Kitty, and she holds him down in a fire until he dies. It takes about eight hours.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
I was working at a grocery store with a weirdly current spinner rack when Austen was current, so I read a lot of his issues. The Top Ten Stupidest Things Chuck Austen Did To The X-Men is probably something like:

10) The Exiles version of Illyana Rasputin being an omnisexual hosebeast who could only threaten or proposition everyone around her. It was like he was trying to beat some theoretical erotic fanfiction writer to the punch by being worse.
9) Introducing the She-Hulk/Juggernaut thing that Dan Slott immediately spent years trying to unspin.
8) He got five issues out of a wedding between Alex and Lorna that didn't end up happening, and it's all pure, bad soap opera, complete with Northstar as the Sassy Gay Friend.
7) Psycho Polaris, who has no real characterization under Austen other than "wants the D, is not getting the D." (Seriously, half of Austen's female characters behave like they had a really awful breakup earlier that afternoon and they've been chasing antidepressants with vodka ever since.) Incidentally also reversing thirty-odd years of characterization on a whim by saying, yeah, you're Magneto's daughter after all. Sorry about that, previous three or four generations of writers and fans who established otherwise. I'm pretty sure that somebody, maybe Peter David, ended up having to write some kind of story later on to "fix" Polaris by saying her powers were messing with her brain.
6) The cold open where four of the B-list X-characters show up crucified on the X-Mansion's lawn. Looking at an issue guide, this is the cold open they used for a 25-cent issue that was meant to attract new readers.
5) Austen seemed to have "powering up Warren" as one of his specific remits, which includes the healing factor and being able to cure people of serious diseases with blood transfusions. It's the only time I've ever seen a hamfisted Jesus metaphor used as an explicit power fantasy.
4) Havok using his own piss to reconstitute Iceman's body.
3) Introducing Nurse Annie, who's based off of Austen's wife and who immediately sparks an obvious cascade of bad ideas that would make for its own list: love triangles, the "mutants can't get AIDS" thing, etc. She seems to exist so she can be the rear end in a top hat in stories that apparently teach kids about tolerance.
2) The evil Catholics plot that doesn't actually resemble anything about Catholicism at all.
1) The Archangel/Husk plot in general. Archangel banging Husk in mid-air in public, in front of her mom and half of Kentucky.

Then his Superman run was... ugh. It isn't even bad in a funny way; it's just dark and gross and extremely anti-woman and it showed up on grocery store spinner racks. There was a Superman comic Austen wrote where the villain of the week fucks women to death and shows up on-panel wearing their blood and I'm sure somebody's eight-year-old kid saw that and suffered some psychological damage.

What's hosed is that in the middle of all of this Austen has a pretty good handle on the Juggernaut and the plot with him and Sammy is actually kind of nice. It's like a beautiful rose growing in the outflow from a septic tank.

Madrox posted:

My understanding is Worldwatch actually contained full nudity and things like a Wonder Woman stand-in being raped on panel. I don't think the Authority pulled anything quite like that.

Edit: Agh, forgot I was in a panels thread. Amazing Spider-Man #595 (I think):



You know what was kind of weird, is that four years ago or so I erased the dialogue from that page so we could photoshop it in the "Ruin the Moment" thread, and last week somebody on my Facebook feed posted one of the photoshops ("You know who fucks real good? Redheads."). At least one of those has a/descended to "meme" status.

And yeah, Worldwatch is explicitly, deliberately pornography, but it's that particular style of pornography made by somebody who is not getting laid and is really angry about it, so it's got some hosed-up attitudes towards the act itself and the women who enjoy it, tinged with just a soupcon of racism. I remember seeing it back in the day when we were agreeing as a species that Austen is as low as the X-Men franchise has ever gone.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
The Flash has experience. Quicksilver has douchebaggery. Advantage: Hawkeye.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

SynthOrange posted:

It wasnt Frank that shot the Leader, was it?

No, he shot the deputy.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
It is Silly Hat Week at Marvel:



(edit: wow that turned out bigger than it should've)

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

CzarChasm posted:

Was he always rich? I seem to recall he was on government payroll as a member of X-Factor (X-force?)

His dad was crazy rich while Bobby ran around as a member of X-Force back in the day. I want to say his dad was a member of the Hellfire Club who then died.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
I don't think I'll end up following Hickman's God is Dead series from Avatar, but I have to admit, this is a funny page:

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

So this one dude is responsible for the DnD Comics, the Blue Beetle relaunch and Leverage? Why isn't he working more? What is he currently doing and how can I consume it?

He's also writing the script for the Queen and Country movie.

His blog mentions that he'd meant to do a bunch more comics work after his show wrapped up, but then suddenly a bunch of new stuff came into the pipe out of nowhere.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Evil Mastermind posted:

Not to mention that a few innocent people clearly get mowed down in the background of that scene and neither Clint or Kate even seem to notice. Very weird, tone-wise.

They were chilling in a hotel that was otherwise full of high-end criminals. Odds are pretty good they weren't "innocent."

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Rhyno posted:

Any time Ellis writes a book people enjoy he hates it. I vaguely recall him and Templesmith not being on speaking terms for a while as well.

Ellis said that was some Rich Johnston rumor-mill stuff. Basically by the time Ellis got back on track with Fell, Templesmith blew up large and they haven't had the time to simultaneously work on it.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Senior Woodchuck posted:

If her mother was Dominican, and Tombstone was black before he got the Red Hood Special that gave him his powers, why is Janice white?

If you go back to the earlier issues, Janice is distinctly darker-skinned than that. For some reason, the colorist thinks she's white in this issue.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Prison Warden posted:

T'challa is a Panther guy because he is from Africa.

For the record, T'Challa was introduced in July of 1966 and the Black Panthers as a party were founded in October of that year. He just slips in under the wire.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Cangelosi posted:

Worst Mary-Sue origin story ever, not counting that ten-year-old with a hockey stick winning that Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat tournament.

Motherfucker, I know what you're talking about and I hate you for bringing that up.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

dandaman posted:

My issue with this panel is that Wolverine is supposed to weigh in the neighborhood of 300-400 lbs. How is Storm able to carry him????

She lets the wind do most of the work for her. It's how she can carry anyone.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

CapnAndy posted:

I've always wondered why Reed Richards isn't doing that. Just set up a room and have Cyclops come in and spend some goggles-off time, and when Scott has something else to do Storm can come in and zap the apparatus with lightning, or the Thing can pound on the walls for a while to work off stress, and so on, and so forth.

I always figured Electro made a lot of walking-around money by standing in a room somewhere for a couple of days with a stack of DVDs, pouring wattage into some supervillain's off-the-grid power supply.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

mind the walrus posted:

I really liked that explanation-- that Reed was unquestionably a genius but his ability to make something user-friendly and safe (not to mention cost-effective) was well, questionable at best. At the very least it felt more believable and consistent that something like "I can rip hole in space-time and travel to the microverse but gosh-darnit the rhinovirus is just too pesky to tackle!"

Waid also had a side comment by Reed in his run that made a lot of things make sense for me: he collects a few fat checks from several large companies not to market his products, because they'd revolutionize the field and put those companies out of business overnight.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

mind the walrus posted:

Maybe, but being a defensive prick about a series you have no real stake in instead of just letting the comment go isn't much better.

I don't think making fun of a dude for an extreme, goofy opinion is that far outside the forums' stated purpose.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

The Question IRL posted:

So it sounds like a in-joke that he made into a character.

As I recall, Dogwelder comes from a conversation Steve Dillon had in a pub one night where he and his friends were challenging each other to come up with the worst possible superhero name.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
You're better off with him than you are with a lot of people. Hal Jordan could make anything he wants, so he mostly uses simple shapes and the occasional fighter jet. I wouldn't be surprised if the Guardians filtered their personnel requests for an appalling lack of imagination, Kyle notwithstanding.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

zoux posted:

What's the most recent iconic cover would you say?

I always thought this was a pretty good one.

The problem, I think, is that so many comics are "iconic" now that none of them are. The ones that actually get people talking tend to be minimalist, like Aja's on Hawkeye or any given issue of Sex Criminals.

I suppose some of X-Men: Legacy's could work.

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Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Skwirl posted:

What's this from?


It's photoshopped. The original panel is from a relatively recent issue of X-Factor. Doom was painting Layla Miller.

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