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Tamarillo
Aug 6, 2009
I had tonsils out at 29 and it really really really really sucked. I would do it again in a heartbeat because of the improved quality of life. I'm currently sick with what I hope isnt COVID and I dont even want to consider the orders of magnitude worse I'd be feeling if I still had tonsils. Every tiny bug incapacitated me and went straight to the tonsils. If those bastards are causing issues even at 3 I'd bite the bullet and get it done.

Recovery for me was 3 slow weeks of a lot of pain. My sister got her tonsils and adenoids out at 4 and only remembers eating ice cream and jelly.

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space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


Anyone have an opinion on Infant Swim Resource (ISR) training?

I want to get my 18 month old some swim lessons and my wife brought this up. I think it looks like a bad idea - I don’t want to traumatize the kiddo and just want him to enjoy swimming.

I know drowning is a big risk and want him to be a strong swimmer ASAP but the boot camp style training turns me off.

I contacted a normal swim lesson place and they said they’re diametrically opposed to ISR as well.

Douche4Sale
May 8, 2003

...and then God said, "Let there be douche!"

We did a lot of stuff with our kids up until ~3 just one of us with the kid. We'd talk about getting comfortable in the water, how to hold onto the side when tired, etc. Then at 3 they started some group lessons at the YMCA we use for swimming. So far it's gone really well.

I can't comment on that program other than to say I'm turned off by a lot of the language and marketing they use. I'll also add that the group classes were really good for my second kid who has a bit more of an issue with getting his head wet (been that way since forever in baths and showers too). Seeing the other kids jumping in and going underwater seemed to really help him want to do that too. I'm skeptical he would have taken to it as quickly in a 1:1 class.

UnkleBoB
Jul 24, 2000

Beginner's Version, Copyright,
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We did swim lessons at the local rec center when my daughter was about two since we lived in Florida at the time and there were pools and canals everywhere. They were easy and low pressure and she's been a comfortable swimmer for the past 14 years.

citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS




Joining the echo chamber re pediatric surgery procedures - the ogre toddler recovered from his ear tubes quickly and the QOL improvements were astounding. Sleep apnea sucks as well, surprised kids can get it.

That said I also trust you, as a parent, to make the most informed decision for your kiddo's individual situation.

Speaking of the ogre toddler, we think he's going through another growth spurt since he's just a bottomless pit when it comes to snacks or food he likes. Just wish he was less picky about the latter. I guess there's just something about 3yos that make them suddenly brand specific or something.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

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Cat Army Sworn Enemy
It's not the surgery I'm worried about. It's the 4 weeks of painful recovery.

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

So, again in my experience with several kids I know that have had it, it's been 2 days or so that are kinda crappy and then they are largely back to normal.

Edit: these are all under 5 years old. I don't know any older kids that have had it done but it seems like the older they are the worse it is.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Renegret posted:

It's not the surgery I'm worried about. It's the 4 weeks of painful recovery.
If you're going to have a tonsillectomy performed either way, kids recover faster the younger they are. Round-the-clock Motrin and Tylenol at an appropriate dosage works surprisingly well for pain management too.

The gamble here is your kiddo "growing out of it" but I don't know when or if it's realistic to expect that. This is a serious conversation to have with his physician, but it sounds that the study data supports the surgical option.

citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

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Renegret posted:

It's not the surgery I'm worried about. It's the 4 weeks of painful recovery.

Ah yeah, sorry - i included recovery time in my head with the procedure but didn't spell it out. But your concern is legit and i'm not trying to pressure you one way or the other.

I do remember adenoid removal being a possibility with the ear tubes and that would have stretched the recovery time from "he'll be back to being a terror after he wakes up from his nap" to "a week of grumpy toddler" but i think a month's recovery might be over-inflated. You've talked this over with your pediatrician?

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
Not to brag, but currently Parenting In Another Location (a.k.a. on vacation). 2 yo naps are finally back in order.

In-laws are... Less than helpful. Better than nothing, but they have zero qualms about just trampling all over our parenting. More than happy to intervene when we don't need them, and when we'd actually like a break they're nowhere to be found. But at least the kiddos are making memories... Well, the 4.5 yo is, at least.

All worth it to see 4.5 having a goddam blast playing in the water, though.



Separately, we've received three (3) notes from day care about individual covid positives since last Friday. loving awesome. Great that we're not in, but not sure what we're coming back to next week... I swear if we get it again I'm going to lose my poo poo; work just cut out covid PTO, so that's 2 weeks gone. We're outside the 90 day window from the last time, so if it's still going around next week we're hosed.

DaveSauce fucked around with this message at 20:22 on May 19, 2022

boquiabierta
May 27, 2010

"I will throw my best friend an abortion party if she wants one"
Oof, severe sleep apnea with 11 interruptions an hour… that’s gotta be messing so much with your kid’s quality of life. Sometimes surgery is indicated even in super young kids. I bet it’ll make a world of difference.

My 2 year old had ear tubes and adenoids out last month and I was very nervous about him going under anesthesia, but I’m so glad we did it.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Ugh if "tonsil stones" pops up in your search auto-complete, do not go for the Google image search :barf:

External Organs
Mar 3, 2006

One time i prank called a bear buildin workshop and said I wanted my mamaws ashes put in a teddy from where she loved them things so well... The woman on the phone did not skip a beat. She just said, "Brang her on down here. We've did it before."

Hadlock posted:

Ugh if "tonsil stones" pops up in your search auto-complete, do not go for the Google image search :barf:

How do you not know this despite having been on these forums for 18 years

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Hadlock posted:

Ugh if "tonsil stones" pops up in your search auto-complete, do not go for the Google image search :barf:

Yeah it's just pictures of that one time Ted Cruz ate one during a debate.

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?
This is just anecdata and of course ymmv. My kid had to get two teeth pulled when she was 6 and we opted to do it in surgery. We prepped her by watching youtube videos on what it's like to be going to hospital so she had a bit of an idea of what to expect and I think it really helped.

She was a bit sorry and sore the afternoon after the surgery but the next day she was well enough to announce that she wanted to go back to school. We gave her panadol and soft food for the week after and she was fine.

I had my tonsils removed at 17 and it was terrible. Took me weeks to recover and I was in pain the whole time. Up until I had them out I'd constantly get tonsillitis and throat infections, I missed heaps of school as a teenager because I was sick so often. Meanwhile I had friends who got theirs out in kindergarten and were back at school a week later. This was 30 years ago so I'd assume that medical science has probably gotten even better at promoting a fast tonsillectomy recovery since then.

If it was my kid, I'd do the surgery. If you're concerned about how young they are then maybe speak to the paediatrician/specialist about that? Maybe you'd feel more comfortable doing it when they're slightly older but it'd be worth considering what risks are involved with the sustained lack of quality sleep too.

Koivunen
Oct 7, 2011

there's definitely no logic
to human behaviour

Renegret posted:

It's not the surgery I'm worried about. It's the 4 weeks of painful recovery.

I hear you on this but… In the span of a lifetime, four weeks is nothing. You know how your kid is born and you blink and they are a year old? Severe sleep apnea in a very young child is really concerning. It has significant long term effects. Surgery and recovery for a month (at most) compared to life long problems is something to think about.

I had multiple ear tube surgeries, adenoids out, eye surgeries, and later, in-office ear tube procedures, and all I remember is having orange popsicles, throwing up in a paper bag once, but have no memory of pain or discomfort.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy
I just want to make it clear that I'm not anti my kid having surgery. I'm just anti surgery on him being too young to understand what the gently caress is going on. He's only 3 and change.

Once he's 5 or 6 then it's fair game (maybe even 4). If anything I would only want to wait a year or so and, considering the earliest follow up with the ENT we could get was July, then by the time we're done navigating the American healthcare system it very well might be a year from now. We haven't even officially started exploring the surgery option with the doctor yet, we're just preparing because we know that's the direction it's going to go.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


We suspected mini pony had hand foot and mouth because he had an almost fever end of last week, developed a rash on his butt that looked different and wasn't clearing up as quickly as the rest of his diaper rash, and started being upset about eating like he was in pain.

Took him to the doctor today. Good news is the butt rash was just healing diaper rash, his mouth doesn't have any sores, and the area that seems to be giving him trouble when eating isn't where they would pop up anyway. He probably just bit his lip, scratched his mouth with something he ate, or bonked it real good at some point recently and it hurts when food presses there.

So the symptoms we brought him in for aren't HFM. The cluster of bumps on the side of his big toe are totally HFM though. So... yay.

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


Renegret posted:

I just want to make it clear that I'm not anti my kid having surgery. I'm just anti surgery on him being too young to understand what the gently caress is going on. He's only 3 and change.

Once he's 5 or 6 then it's fair game (maybe even 4). If anything I would only want to wait a year or so and, considering the earliest follow up with the ENT we could get was July, then by the time we're done navigating the American healthcare system it very well might be a year from now. We haven't even officially started exploring the surgery option with the doctor yet, we're just preparing because we know that's the direction it's going to go.

I know it’s just an Internet Medical Article that always raise huge alarms and assume the absolute worst, and that obviously obviously you should talk to a real doctor.

But the Mayo Clinic article on child sleep apnea is very frightening to me and if it were my kid I would be expediting treatment ASAP. If it’s non surgical and is an oxygen mask or sleep apnea machine or something then roll with that, but all of the side effects and potential chronic conditions for sleep apnea are intense.

I have no medical background but my thought is that when kids are sleeping their brains are doing a lot of developing. Oxygen is needed for brains, the brain famously uses 20% of the bodies oxygen. If the kid isn’t breathing 11 times an hour during night, I would start to worry about the brain.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pediatric-sleep-apnea/symptoms-causes/syc-20376196

Like I said I’m not trying to Web MD “it’s always lupus + cancer” you and the real Drs know better than internet strangers but that link scared me.

Koivunen
Oct 7, 2011

there's definitely no logic
to human behaviour

Renegret posted:

I just want to make it clear that I'm not anti my kid having surgery. I'm just anti surgery on him being too young to understand what the gently caress is going on. He's only 3 and change.

Once he's 5 or 6 then it's fair game (maybe even 4). If anything I would only want to wait a year or so and, considering the earliest follow up with the ENT we could get was July, then by the time we're done navigating the American healthcare system it very well might be a year from now. We haven't even officially started exploring the surgery option with the doctor yet, we're just preparing because we know that's the direction it's going to go.

Again, I hear you, but kids are often too young to understand things that are being done for their own benefit or safety. Immunizations, for example. It hurts a lot for a few days, but they have a lifetime of protection. Dentist visits, scary for a little kid but necessary. Giving medication when they are sick, pulling their car seat harness tightly, washing their hair… It’s all going to cause discomfort, but it is for their own good. And TBH a 4-5 year old might remember the discomfort, where a younger kid is more likely to rebound faster, and not remember.

BadSamaritan
May 2, 2008

crumb by crumb in this big black forest


I’d be absolutely miserable and unable to regulate if my body deprived itself of oxygen and woke itself up 11 times an hour. Considering how important sleep is for little kids- and no guarantee they’d actually grow out of it- I’d personally lean towards intervention.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Renegret posted:

I just want to make it clear that I'm not anti my kid having surgery. I'm just anti surgery on him being too young to understand what the gently caress is going on. He's only 3 and change.

Once he's 5 or 6 then it's fair game (maybe even 4). If anything I would only want to wait a year or so and, considering the earliest follow up with the ENT we could get was July, then by the time we're done navigating the American healthcare system it very well might be a year from now. We haven't even officially started exploring the surgery option with the doctor yet, we're just preparing because we know that's the direction it's going to go.

Having a 3.5 year old myself-I completely get your position. Seeing the pictures you posted with his sleep study made my heart break because, like you mentioned, the little dude has no idea wtf.

I dunno what I would do in your situation-I think I’d rely on talking to doctors/surgeons and then discuss With my spouse to try and figure things out. Your experience made me rethink even doing a sleep study, and now he’s had night terrors the past two nights. I don’t have any advice for you, but definitely sympathize.

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME
to add to the pile...our kid had surgery to remove an embedded piece of splinter in his hand (was a really drat big splinter that went in the meaty part of the heel of his palm and out the top of it...tried to get it all out but a small piece was left inside and we could see it working its way up under the skin months later, so surgery with general anesthesia to get it out since a kid can't hold still for local)

I think he was around 3.5 or maybe even younger. The pediatric hospital gave us a book to help prepare him for the idea, we talked a lot about what happened and exactly what was going on, what would happen, what we'd have to do afterwards. We found he understood all of that and that it was something to help him and ultimately it all went smoothly. I'm sure part of that is down to the kid and how they'll take things but I think a 3.5 year old is old enough to be told what is going on and why it's happening and how it will make them feel better but they'll have to recover first etc. I think at that age it's not "they have no idea" and are able to understand a lot and if not told about things will make up their own explanations.

remigious
May 13, 2009

Destruction comes inevitably :rip:

Hell Gem
Thinking about the one time I was knocked out for surgery when I was 32…the anxiety about what was going to happen was infinitely worse than the actual experience. A very young kid is not going to have that anxiety precisely because they’ll have no idea what’s going on. But of course you know what is best for your kid and it’s your call, just wanted to throw in my two cents.

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS
Another thing to note is that a tonsillectomy is most likely an outpatient procedure for your kid (iirc our ENT said sometimes adenoids and tonsils are inpatient under 3 but not always) and beyond the not eating or drinking beforehand prep it’ll probably be a less involved process than the sleep study.

We had tubes and adenoids removed and the whole thing was like an hour and a half or so from intake to us leaving.

I think you’re super overestimating how scared or in pain your kiddo is going to be, especially compared to the quality of life increase.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Our first kid hated mac and cheese but our 1 year old loves it…I think we’re relying on it too much though…what are easy, cleaner ideas of food for him? He loves bagels with cream cheese and plain bread to eat, and scrambled eggs too.

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


nwin posted:

Our first kid hated mac and cheese but our 1 year old loves it…I think we’re relying on it too much though…what are easy, cleaner ideas of food for him? He loves bagels with cream cheese and plain bread to eat, and scrambled eggs too.

Cleaner:
Grilled turkey and cheese
Tater tots
Dumplings
Hawaiian bread
Dino nuggets
Cheese or spinach ravioli


Not cleaner at all but a hit when our kid was 1:
Hummus
Pasta with tomato sauce
Liverwurst
Fried rice
Pad Thai (not spicy)
Refried beans

Koivunen
Oct 7, 2011

there's definitely no logic
to human behaviour
Oh my god, we have only seen the Netflix blippi, and not the original blippi, I didn’t know there were two different ones. We are watching the OG blippi on Amazon and wow. My mind is currently being blown so will report back later… I feel very uncomfortable.

E: I feel strong hatred towards the original blippi.

Koivunen fucked around with this message at 21:22 on May 20, 2022

femcastra
Apr 25, 2008

If you want him,
come and knit him!

nwin posted:

Our first kid hated mac and cheese but our 1 year old loves it…I think we’re relying on it too much though…what are easy, cleaner ideas of food for him? He loves bagels with cream cheese and plain bread to eat, and scrambled eggs too.

Can also look for the Mac and cheese recipe that uses pumpkin/sweet potato purée as a base. It was a hit at our house.

Alterian
Jan 28, 2003

My kid would subsist on sweet potato tater tots if we let him.

Koivunen posted:

E: I feel strong hatred towards the original blippi.

Original Blippi or Original Blippi?

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Wait how many blippis are there

I thought there was only youtube blippi

External Organs
Mar 3, 2006

One time i prank called a bear buildin workshop and said I wanted my mamaws ashes put in a teddy from where she loved them things so well... The woman on the phone did not skip a beat. She just said, "Brang her on down here. We've did it before."

Hadlock posted:

Wait how many blippis are there

I thought there was only youtube blippi

The newest Blippi is an angry 68 year old Scotsman. I think the next one will be a woman?

Edit: can't believe my phone capitalizes Blippi wtf

Alterian
Jan 28, 2003

The original Blippi was Steezy Grossman.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

We swapped our crib wall out for toddler rails.

When he saw it his jaw literally dropped and he did a happy dance and spent about 20 minutes climbing in and out of his crib.

Bedtime was super painless too, relatively speaking. He got out of bed and we just told him through the door "go back to bed" and it worked.

Koivunen
Oct 7, 2011

there's definitely no logic
to human behaviour

Alterian posted:

The original Blippi was Steezy Grossman.

This is the one who gives me the heeby jeebies. Even without knowing his Steezy history there’s something off about him. I actually don’t mind Clayton Grimm, but his space-filler “whoa” and “yeah” get a little old.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

New parenting hack dropped.

Baby was fighting bedtime for over an hour.

I finally got him to go to sleep by telling him "if you go to sleep mommy will come play with you in the morning"

Instantly lay down and was passed out in about 2 minutes.

Koivunen
Oct 7, 2011

there's definitely no logic
to human behaviour
So I don’t need to bother getting a sit/stand attachment for a stroller, my 3yo stuffed herself into the basket below the seat and was perfectly comfortable for an hour long hike along a groomed trail through the woods.

Zarin
Nov 11, 2008

I SEE YOU
The fact that there are multiple Blippi iterations hurts my brain :psyduck:

I think I only know about the YouTube one, which, yeah, dude seems a little off. But I won't lie that even I'm fascinated by some of his tours of production plants and stuff.


Edit: One episode he was faffing about around a Lamborghini and I died inside when I realized it was his and I looked up his net worth on Wikipedia

meanolmrcloud
Apr 5, 2004

rock out with your stock out

We are with family who have a 5 and 2.5 year old, and its my first time managing a gaggle of kids. My 1.5 year old is getting along pretty well, but Holy poo poo I’m so tired by 8pm every day, and I’ve only been responsible for them all for a few hours each day.

meanolmrcloud fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 23, 2022

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citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
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God help me, not only did they make a sequel to Monster Family but my daughter discovered it as well.

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