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Crumbletron
Jul 21, 2006



IT'S YOUR BOY JESUS, MANE


Vichan posted:

Loved the show as well, absolutely loathed the ending.

Was the ending bad or just upsetting? I've been meaning to watch it.

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Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Crumbletron posted:

Was the ending bad or just upsetting? I've been meaning to watch it.

Without going into spoilers I felt it was a bit of a cop out considering everything that led up to it.

Just my opinion though, I can perfectly understand if other people had no issues with it.

EDIT: Hard recommend besides that, don't get me wrong.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Prez out there in space messing it up

codo27
Apr 21, 2008



So, I'm assuming those who were in the Sopranos thread saying this was its equal were doing it out of some ongoing prank where you get tricked into watching this and then have to beset someone else with the same curse?

Okay, thats going too far, but its honestly not even close to the Sopranos. S5 was a complete waste, the newspaper stuff might have worked if it had been worked in from the beginning or at least some season other than the shortened finale. The initial slew of characters were all so well developed and thought out, later ones (Like Marlo and his crew) were just bare. I feel like you must be in an alternate universe reading the praise for S2 on the last page. And 4 being the best? Come on.

Not even gonna touch the serial killer stuff. Between that and Omar supermanning out the window, apparently breaking only his leg but just walking it off after a day only to wind up meeting his end as he did, man does this last season ever leave a bad taste in my mouth. And in one sense I get it, thats the game, ain't no happy endings in this poo poo. All throughout I appreciated how gritty and raw and unpleasant a lot of the street stuff was, that felt authentic. Its not like I expected gift wrapped happy endings across the board, but a whole lot better than what we got. Namonds on the debate team but Duquan is a junkie now? Certainly the white guys present in the big bust were part of the Greek's organization, why would they suddenly be willing to deal with whats left after, when they were so close to the chest before?

Most of my frustration is at the final two seasons, especially 5. And maybe its not a great time to have watched the show. The whole world has been getting progressively worse for the last 5 years, I dont need another harsh dose of reality. Haha!, the bullshit writer wins his prize, but Daniels (they never do say exactly whats in that file precisely do they?) has to resign? The Polak is the new comissioner? Carccetti forced to deal with Davis, who also comes away scot free? Levy suffers no consequences from his leak incriminating him, and Marlo is just instantly up in the high rises suited up dealing with the big shots after being allowed to walk on the charges?

Reactionary post, I apologize. I was just expecting so much more this whole time.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

Haters gonna hate


codo27 posted:

Omar supermanning out the window, apparently breaking only his leg but just walking it off after a day only to wind up meeting his end as he did

As an FYI, this happened for real with the dude who was the inspiration for Omar. Except the window was higher.

Sometimes you just get lucky, until you don't.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

It's not as good as Sopranos.

It's so much better you can't even compare the two

e: Sopranos is a great show about a guy's psychology, with great characters stuck in an endless cycle of keeping each other lovely. The Wire is an exploration of an entire city and the collapse of America. They're both great TV but the Wire is just something else.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

If your criticism of The Wire is "there aren't as many happy endings as I wanted" then, well, man, I dunno.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



As always, Prez might be a gently caress-up on first viewing but in the end there is a lot that can be learned from observation

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005


Plaster Town Cop

I am so happy that the criticisms turned out to be "crazy story from real life that had to be toned down some for believability was unbelievable", "I can't remember what was in Daniels' file from earlier seasons", "I can't remember how much S2 scenes actually contributed to the final result" and "I can't believe the show portrayed the world as a place where sociopaths fail upward until controlling society and therefore never face accountability" and "I can't believe the show was honest about what befalls most innocent poor people"

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005


Plaster Town Cop

Like this show's goal is to educate and maturize the viewer about stuff they don't see every day, not to be some popcorn marvel superhero tale that you have on in the background, made by writers who are comfortably more stupid than the audience with nothing to say

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.









The most unbelievable thing about the serial killer plot was that it wasn't just a ploy to get more overtime from the get-go

Mr. Prokosch
Feb 14, 2012

Behold My Magnificence!


Now that you've watched the Wire, here's what you should do:

1. Watch the Sopranos again
2. Watch the Wire again
3. Think about them both and what they're saying as works of art and social commentary
4. Check if you still think Sopranos is better

My ranking of seasons:
4
1
2
3
5
All other television

I think people don't give 1 enough credit for establishing everything, including themes that are explored much later. Season 5 has some real issues that stem from David Simon having a self-insert and being too close to the newspaper world and having too many grudges without someone to check him.

I recently watched Patriot and it was pretty great. I'd say it's better than the Sopranos, but still doesn't come close to the Wire.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.









Also should be acknowledged that "this is effective at getting across a message which I'm not in an emotional state to hear" can be true and good and also not a criticism of the work

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005


Plaster Town Cop

Yeah, re watch the show, you'll enjoy it surprisingly a lot from reminiscing on where the show started. And some of those complaints fall away on second watch due to not missing details that you know will be significant later. Attention to detail in this show is unmatched. The characters and events are so well portrayed that re-watching remains enjoyable no matter if you know what will happen.

One caveat--there are certain people for whom certain messages of this show will be lost on no matter what. If you're some professional who believes they have won the meritocracy, deserve to be a manager because of it, and that managers generally can solve the world's problems, then your salary basically pays you not to understand this show. For example, season 4 will never land correctly if the viewer is someone like that state administrator who barked back "the system works" and then ended the meeting upon hearing the implication that the meritocracy doesn't work and the institutions are failing. Entertaining the thesis of season 4 would have invalidated her entire career, and she has grown up in such comfort and privilege that she avoided ever maturing into any adult form required to process a world that doesn't work so cleanly, so she won't.

Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 23, 2021

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005


Plaster Town Cop

Also I just realized that when the thin-skinned David Simon melted down and blocked me on Twitter, it was when I had implied that he wasn't be true to the message of his own show.....according to season 4's thesis. The significance only now has occurred to me that David had ceded control during season 4 and that Ed Burns was mainly telling the story at that point. It's clearly not the same message Simon would have put in, and perhaps I triggered some more resentment by getting the two mixed up.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004



Thanks for reminding me that Sopranos was really hackneyed when it came to portraying black people

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Mr. Prokosch posted:

My ranking of seasons:
4
1
2
3
5
All other television

I'd put The Deuce season 2 above The Wire season 5.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


General Battuta posted:

It's not as good as Sopranos.

It's so much better you can't even compare the two

e: Sopranos is a great show about a guy's psychology, with great characters stuck in an endless cycle of keeping each other lovely. The Wire is an exploration of an entire city and the collapse of America. They're both great TV but the Wire is just something else.

de verdad

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.




General Battuta posted:

It's not as good as Sopranos.

It's so much better you can't even compare the two

e: Sopranos is a great show about a guy's psychology, with great characters stuck in an endless cycle of keeping each other lovely. The Wire is an exploration of an entire city and the collapse of America. They're both great TV but the Wire is just something else.

Gargamel Gibson
Apr 24, 2014


codo27 posted:

bullshit writer wins his prize, but Daniels (they never do say exactly whats in that file precisely do they?) has to resign? The Polak is the new comissioner? Carccetti forced to deal with Davis, who also comes away scot free? Levy suffers no consequences from his leak incriminating him, and Marlo is just instantly up in the high rises suited up dealing with the big shots after being allowed to walk on the charges?

:o The king stays the king? It's almost like the game is rigged! What a bad show.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Gargamel Gibson posted:

:o The king stays the king? It's almost like the game is rigged! What a bad show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmryAVUoL8

There's always the musical. (Spoilers)

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


Vichan posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmryAVUoL8

There's always the musical. (Spoilers)

How have I not seen this til now?!

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Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004




Happy Thread posted:

Also I just realized that when the thin-skinned David Simon melted down and blocked me on Twitter, it was when I had implied that he wasn't be true to the message of his own show.....according to season 4's thesis. The significance only now has occurred to me that David had ceded control during season 4 and that Ed Burns was mainly telling the story at that point. It's clearly not the same message Simon would have put in, and perhaps I triggered some more resentment by getting the two mixed up.

David Simon's twitter makes me regularly forget that he's the guy who wrote the wire (and homicide, and the corner, and loads of other great stuff). His vocabulary on there is....really annoying

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