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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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Punkbob posted:

"Data Scientist". Make him learn Python.

if he has social skills consulting firms are looking for that profile but like, smarter/better.

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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In the mid/long term there are very few technical high demand trades that are truly safe.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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Busy Bee posted:

Thoughts on Six Sigma certification courses?

bad and dumb

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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Aren't there like... other potential employers out there?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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i'm not going to get in to detail on this because you already know how dumb of an idea it would be to jump ship but basically:

your fears are groundless or inescapable and the new job will materially destroy your quality of life as you know it so it sounds like a really fuckin great idea, go wild

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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yeah I think 09 grads will all have a special kind of job hunt PTSD

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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If you live in a city I feel like there are myriad career change opportunities that don't involve a hellacious commute.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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I'm surprised that with a degree in a reasonably quantitative generic field and military service on your resume that you haven't been able to find an entry level job.

I would think about that one first before I kicked off a Master's.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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How are you gonna like to network more once you have your masters?

There's an accounting thread in here, not sure if you've solicited feedback there yet but they will definitely have some kind of a (no doubt weird, hosed up) perspective.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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mad_Thick posted:

I don't mean that by having a Masters, I would network more. The point of the Masters in Accounting is I could pursue my CPA, and get paid 100k tax free doing so. I was just interested in whether a Masters in Data Science would be better. But since I hate programming, I'll go the Masters in Accountancy route. Also, I'm sure there would be more people my age in a Masters program, as oppose to being 29 years old completing an undergraduate degree. By far the worst part of my undergrad experience was dealing with 18 to 22 year old children who half-rear end everything.

did you check out the entire thread about careers in accounting or nah

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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It is really tough to be an individual contributor only at (most) consulting firms and advance past a certain point. It sounds like you're hitting your ceiling as an individual contributor and want to stay an individual contributor. I would take the job with the client, and Jordan is right: you can always go back to consulting if things don't work out.

I am assuming that 20-30% more money will easily absorb any incremental car expenses.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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aren't most PhD programs funded?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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Big firm construction industry is pretty strict for all the reasons other people mentioned. You may not be operating heavy equipment, but a lot of employees are, and it'd be a conspicuous double standard to drug test some employees and not others (even though it would probably make sense).

It probably would have been good to understand that going in, though. It would have saved you a lot of pain and annoyance.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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I agree with the poster above. LinkedIn is not related to network in any way, shape or form. You need to be meeting with people face-to-face.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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I'm not in your field but I would heavily question someone with a poo poo MBA. I would be more likely to hire the same resume with a BA only than a BA and a poo poo MBA.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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My industry doesn't have real professional certifications (strategic and management consulting boutique) so it is likely to be different for you because the professional certification helps cover for you.

That being said - what do you gain from the MBA in addition to the MS? That's not really clear to me.

Bentley isn't a bad school exactly and I hear it is good for finance and acccounting but I have been less than impressed by their business generalists with either a bachelors and masters.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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I am from Boston (well, I just moved, but was mostly there for 2005-2017).

Not being from the industry, I guess I don't understand the 150 hours requirement. You just take 150 hours of whateverthefuck and that counts?

I'm not sure that the MBA would help you get in to Bentley (it might hinder you?) but it would probably be worth your while to speak with the Bentley admissions office.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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Is 90-100 entry level pay for a data scientist in your city?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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Kudaros posted:

It appears to be an average. The ranges are hard to deal with because I don't have any idea of the statistical distribution. Relatively small number of jobs in that area. I think this is a case where the employer isn't entirely sure what they are looking for. I'm going to go ahead and press forward with it, but I'd like to know more.

I have not told anyone my salary. I have a "prestigious" fellowship is all they know. They could very likely guess though.

OK well average isn't all that relevant to you if it's also containing people with 5 - 10 - 15 years of work experience in a small sample

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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KillHour posted:

Nothing will limit you to just one job. If the training is over and above what you would otherwise learn, you could always go back (just leave it off your CV if you're worried about looking over qualified). People change careers all the time. The question is if the job and skills you're describing is interesting to you or not. Nothing is a dead end and the skills you use somewhere are ALWAYS applicable somewhere else, even if it's just to show you can pick up new skills in general. Especially when computers are concerned - everything everyone in IT knows is obsolete every 5-10 years. Employers care if you know enough to get started and can learn the rest on the job. This becomes more and more true the further you get in your career. The only people that have to go in knowing everything are consultants and that's why they cost so much.

- Someone in the IT industry with 3 TOTALLY different positions in the last decade.

Since the dude is a non-English speaker in my industry I can tell you that other countries are a lot less favorable to job switching and career switching especially if you're coming from line and line-related work. There's still a very strict formation/apprentice/master structure and it can be hard to change out of your little vertical. I still think it's a good idea to take the job as it's a lot more portable than the other options.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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DoBoMi posted:

I am from Germany, so what you say is very true, we dont like switching our jobs too many times and personaler will see it as a flaw ("Why can't you keep one job?")
But non the less: I am still a apprentice, so it isn't really "switching" a job, it is more like choosing my specialization for the first time.

I figured. Can you describe what you are working in for your apprenticeship a bit more, and the content of your potential specializations? I think based on some of the vocabulary that I know where you are working, and may have some insight in to that organization. If it's more comfortable to take to PMs that is fine with me.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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DoBoMi posted:

Unfortunately I can't send PM, but I talked to a lot of people in the meantime and it seems like that's the additional training is a good opportunity as the tasks seem pretty diverse, the department and my boss are nice and some extra IT knowledge will always be nice to have.

About the other possibilities: We don't know exactly what the other jobs will be, it depends a lot on how good we will do, but the favorites are: Maintenance and building machines for other companies.

But it seems like the training will also be structured in a way, that we will work hand in hand with the maintenance teams (which primarily care about mechanics/electronics) and the machine construction teams, so my fear of missing out is probably unfounded.

Stay the gently caress away from the maintenance side of things as your primary area. I think the area you're targeting is the most future-proof of the three. Good luck!

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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DoBoMi posted:

Thanks for your input!
Can you tell me why? Because a close friend of mine aims for this direction.
I heard that this might be a dead end, because you are trained to maintain one or two production lines and the better you are, the less likely is a promotion because your boss doesn't want to let you go anymore, is this true?

I'm tempted to get the platinum upgrade, just to hear what you think that my company is

Ha, don't bother - I'm not so sure now.

That is a risk for maintenance workers. You also run the opposite risk that if you are not keeping up with current plant and equipment that your skills become obsolete and you are made redundant more easily. You may be working primarily in a facility or set of facilities using technology X, but if that plant is replaced by a new facility using technology Z, you may not be retrained, or you may be forced to move a great distance with your family. This is especially relevant in highly specialized automated manufacturing environments like automotive. There are a billion elevators installed in the world, but only a few dozen ABB CAS windshield systems in the world.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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Once you develop some base of technical skills as an individual contributor, your most important skills are soft skills like the ones KillHour mentions. This also includes more learnable skills like sales , negotiation, people management, project management, etc. Work on this stuff.

In my industry it's less have you used X technology and more have you worked on Y type of project. You don't have to have worked on Y provided you can articulate the problem and potential solutions to explore and how you would explore them. I don't care if you've never done a pricing project as long as you can talk about pricing theories and how you would develop a project based on theoretical knowledge and client interaction.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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the "dangerous city" piece is kind of weird to me. Where is B? Mogadishu?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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buglord posted:

I'd go into this job, be continuously stimulated by new information which I found interesting, work with plenty of different people on a consistent basis, work on month-long projects, go into occasional ovedrive mode getting things ready before the deadline, so on and so forth.

welcome to management/strat consulting, except you're fairly under qualified right now. how are your quant skills?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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Work at a big multinational and request a transfer to a foreign office

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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sorry for trying to tell you a way that works

I'm not fully convinced that you can have your cake (job overseas) and eat it too (with a minimum of fuss) plus ice cream (relocation compensation) unless you are an absolute stud. What are your qualifications? "I'm an engineer" is not a lot to go by.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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How do you anticipate they will punish you for asking for more money?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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Don’t give a range. Get thee to the negotiating thread.

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Argona posted:

Hey everyone, Current position is a billing control specialist which is mostly me automating excel spreadsheets or access dbs. While it’s a good position, I’m looking to the future and there’s no real chance of promotion here: Where can I go from here if I want to stay technical in the finance field? (And get paid more, of course! I currently make about 60k) I have a large chunk of cash saved up since I live with my parents, so I would be willing to do study, but my college gpa was ... not good (long story short depression sucks). I’ve started learning python in my free time, if that helps.

Also, is a lean six sigma green belt worth anything? I was “nominated” for it at work but If it doesn’t matter on the resume I’ll pass on it.

The six sigma green belt isn't that useful but being able to coherently talk about some six sigma / lean concepts using a framework is going to probably be useful to you, and it doesn't hurt your resume.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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if you're mechanically inclined and in reasonably good physical shape you could get a job as a tech. not sure how much your brain injury would interfere with your ability to follow repair procedures and the like but tech is pretty stable, portable, and in demand. the downside is that shops are run like feudal counties on the bad side, a significant number of your colleagues may be far right jagoffs, and you'll be really dirty all the time.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:

I think you’re allowed to ask about jagoff numbers during the interview. Encouraged, even!

the good news is that since your toolbox is on wheels you can roll it right outta there

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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that is a good way of thinking about sales/development oriented roles. you are responsible for results that fundamentally, no matter what you do, are not fully within your control

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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i am keying off of one little statement in your whole post so forgive me if i'm overstating your aversion, but if you do not like working unpaid overtime, sales and business development is 100% not for you

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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yeah fair enough on the teaching

the thing with sales/bd is that you are really the arbiter of this stuff directly and you will somehow force yourself to do even more work which is worse than if someone else makes you do it imo

like you look back and are thinking about poo poo that you missed or canceled and it's gently caress man, i did that to myself.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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do not become a tech of any kind you are like the polar opposite of the good profile

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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People who are good at hands on technical roles generally like problem solving, not learning in the traditional sense, and if you are not good at coming up with a good solution under pressure it just is not for you.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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Are you able to pick up those skills through self learning, classes, or other avenues like volunteer work?

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
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just fyi it's probably helpful if you tell us what your current job actually was - then people can make better recommendations about complimentary skills to learn

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