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the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Mexican Deathgasm posted:

Maybe after the Jubilee we can consider doing a commando style raid on Athar while wearing the laurels. Like, take our twenty mightiest men and run from the edge of Asherah's land to Athar at full tilt, murder zombie fish-dad, throw the villagers into giant sacks, run full tilt home. Possibly be in and out before Asherah gets off his flabby fish rear end.

That's probably the best plan given what we currently have to work with.
The biggest immediate downside is that I would bet our Laurels somehow lose effectiveness.

I mean, they're drat powerful, but, they aren't a perfect stealth buff. There are probably countermeasures available, or strong enough wards that could pierce them.

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SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




Actually, what's everyone's thoughts on hitting the Mountains of Fare sometime this next Jubilee period? If we are lucky, they won't succeed in their assaults in Acco, Libnah will maybe repel them as well if they are prepared somewhat, and they refused to hit Kavodel or Zepath. Megido might get rolled? Either way, with luck they will actually be kind of low on captives and manpower after this assault, or at least manpower. If we can liberate a bunch of Urians quickly we'll be able to starve resources from Fare.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

SerSpook posted:

Actually, what's everyone's thoughts on hitting the Mountains of Fare sometime this next Jubilee period? If we are lucky, they won't succeed in their assaults in Acco, Libnah will maybe repel them as well if they are prepared somewhat, and they refused to hit Kavodel or Zepath. Megido might get rolled? Either way, with luck they will actually be kind of low on captives and manpower after this assault, or at least manpower. If we can liberate a bunch of Urians quickly we'll be able to starve resources from Fare.

Enkidel: "Guys, we should hit the mountains after the jubilee."

Uriah: "We've heard that one before. :jerkbag:"

a cat irl
Feb 13, 2010
Who was running Zepath while Tudiya went down south? Seems like he took a lot of the most powerful people with him considering Barkof was there iirc

Also why did Ish go with them?

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




Actually more important post-Baitel plan: take some grandkids and Ruth to Baitel, as she gets older... get her as close as possible to the Mountain before her death. Courtesy of GankMid in irc.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
Hitting the Mountains of Fare is a good idea, but going down to Athar to smoke Shushem, flatten the village, and save all of the children would be beautiful and satisfying.

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




Hey Diog, if most of the Balls of Labaras and Podral died at Tanaach, than how did Enkidel and his Balls liberate the people in the demon city and carry them to Ur on the backs of giant eagles? Did he train new Balls? Or is the timeline mixed up? Is Podral in the story of the slaying of the demon giants?

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

SerSpook posted:

Actually, what's everyone's thoughts on hitting the Mountains of Fare sometime this next Jubilee period? If we are lucky, they won't succeed in their assaults in Acco, Libnah will maybe repel them as well if they are prepared somewhat, and they refused to hit Kavodel or Zepath. Megido might get rolled? Either way, with luck they will actually be kind of low on captives and manpower after this assault, or at least manpower. If we can liberate a bunch of Urians quickly we'll be able to starve resources from Fare.

It'd probably be quicker to just cut out the middleman and climb Mt Har ourselves.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

SerSpook posted:

Hey Diog, if most of the Balls of Labaras and Podral died at Tanaach, than how did Enkidel and his Balls liberate the people in the demon city and carry them to Ur on the backs of giant eagles? Did he train new Balls? Or is the timeline mixed up? Is Podral in the story of the slaying of the demon giants?

Poor Podral. :(

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




Coq au Nandos posted:

It'd probably be quicker to just cut out the middleman and climb Mt Har ourselves.

I mean, OC managed it. It seems more likely than what happened with the giants at least, and I'm thinking if we strike like immediately after the Jubilee then it will be entirely unexpected and they will be much lower on manpower?

And I think Athar is a more suicidal proposition TBH. Keep in mind Shushem put most of the Mighty Men of Zepath down in a single attack and still didn't technically die after being beheaded. And I think something else was coming what with the earth shaking and poo poo as we fled; Asherah seems to keep a really close eye on the area, what with Shushem being its High Priest.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

I think it's important to remember that even Tudiya decapitating Fishdad didn't keep him down.

Plus, even with the ridiculously stacked lineup of Tudiya, Ishamal, Barkof, etc., they dared not stay in Athar for long, and hauled rear end once they had Jalitha and us secured.

My point being: Let's not overestimate what we currently bring to the table.

alpaca diseases
May 19, 2009

SerSpook posted:

Actually, what's everyone's thoughts on hitting the Mountains of Fare sometime this next Jubilee period? If we are lucky, they won't succeed in their assaults in Acco, Libnah will maybe repel them as well if they are prepared somewhat, and they refused to hit Kavodel or Zepath. Megido might get rolled? Either way, with luck they will actually be kind of low on captives and manpower after this assault, or at least manpower. If we can liberate a bunch of Urians quickly we'll be able to starve resources from Fare.

If we still had an arrow of Esau which we could let fly at the Fist of Fare on 'Combat, unrestricted destruction' mode after sneaking in by ourself and then booking it back to Ur I'd be all for it

Otherwise we'd have to take a group if we wanted to do anything worthwhile, which I'm 100% sure would eventually be noticed (even if only by mundane watchtower means, but that'd then probably bring the big heat), overrun and meat wagon'd

e: actually using the arrow immediately shorted out the laurels and made us extra watched

we'd be boned lol

alpaca diseases fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Oct 17, 2017

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012




How Kavodel Came to Be (as told many, many generations from now)

Kavodel was founded when the Great Hero King Enkidel came upon the King of Dogs. The King of Dogs guarded his territory, now where Kavodel stands, fiercely, driving off any demon, monster or man who intruded. A great beast, the size of a mountain, but of noble temperament for he would not slay the men who came like he did the demons and monsters. And if a child would come upon him, he would carry the child on his back swiftly to his people, so he would be safe. The King of Dogs, not having found a man worthy of owning him, came upon Zepath as he delivered such a child. In those days, the Great Hero King ruled Zepath. When the King of Dogs entered his land, the Great Hero King saw this, and followed him.

Enkidel saw what a noble Spirit the King of Dogs bore, and knew his secret. Enkidel found the King of Dogs and wrestled with him for three days and nights. It is said their wrestling was so great that Wicked Gezer, ruled by its Mad King, fell due to the rumblings of the ground. Finally, near the end of his strength, Enkidel used the secret he knew, and scratched the place that made the leg kick. The King of Dogs happiness and kicking was such that the land became more fertile than any other in Ur, and Smattas descended and imparted unto Enkidel the knowledge of New Laws that were more Just, for man had become wicked and needed guidance again.

And so Enkidel spent 18 years forging his great club Mercy. He forged it in secret, and placed it upon the altar of El 18 times, and reforged it anew 18 times, each mixed with his own tears as he wept for those he could not save, and wept for those he had to slay in their foolishness, for Men were very wicked in those days. In the final forging, Marnal descended from the Mountain, and laid a Blessing upon Mercy, so that it would never be Misplaced and would always inspire such in Men.

Enkidel took his bow and from the top of the Temple of El in Zepath he shot an arrow, into the land of the King of Dogs. It flew true, and struck the ground. He went to the arrow and saw the land was right. He raised his great club Mercy high into the air and struck the ground with it. Thus, the foundation of the Temple of El was made. He and his sons, with the aid of the King of Dogs, raised the Temple and from there built the city. Enkidel again fired an arrow, from the Temple he had made, and followed where it landed. He struck the ground there with Mercy, and great wealth in copper and silver appeared.

Enkidel used the New Laws he had been given by Smattas, and the Mercy he had been given by Marnal, to build a city that he declared would always pay Honor to El. The righteous fled the wicked cities as the Demons came upon them and came to Kavodel. There, Enkidel begsn the path of Wisdom, with the Justice of Smattas and the Mercy of Marnal, linking Kavodel with Zepath and Dor. From there, Wisdom came from Kavodel to all the lands, and all became Good again. El smiled upon the land and good things grew, the Demons were driven back, and the world was made right again.

alternative ending: everyone got ate by demons, Enkidel got smote by El, the End

Blasphemaster
Jul 10, 2008

Yeah it'd probably be a good idea to go raid the gently caress out of Athar with the combined might of the Balls and the Shafts at some point. ALL OF THEM. After a Boring Jubilee that'd keep the dudes happy for a while.

Lanky Coconut Tree
Apr 7, 2011

An angry tree.

The angriest tree
The Glory hounds that are the Balls wouldn't want to run away from Athar.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Lanky Coconut Tree posted:

The Glory hounds that are the Balls wouldn't want to run away from Athar.

This is 100% true.
Asherah itself could rise from the depths, and Uriah would be convinced that we were going to have sushi tonight.

Lanky Coconut Tree
Apr 7, 2011

An angry tree.

The angriest tree
The problem with having a band of idiots eager to die for a cause is that they're eager to die for the cause.

Captainicus
Feb 22, 2013



SerSpook posted:

How Kavodel Came to Be (as told many, many generations from now)

:five:

alpaca diseases
May 19, 2009

SerSpook posted:

Enkidel spent 18 years forging his great club Mercy. He forged it in secret, and placed it upon the altar of El 18 times, and reforged it anew 18 times,

Goddamn we should actually totally give Mercy the Eagle arrow treatment

If we ever get the time

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




a cat irl posted:

Who was running Zepath while Tudiya went down south? Seems like he took a lot of the most powerful people with him considering Barkof was there iirc

Also why did Ish go with them?

In retrospect it was probably divine intervention. Despite what we were told, Tudiya didn't just happen to take all his swolest dudes for a walk and stroll into Athar, because that is an insane thing to do. He brought his three closest male relatives, his most likely heirs. To the coast. An eyescream could have easily wiped out half the party, but no eyescream noticed them.

As for who was left guarding the home front, the remaining Mighty Men would be sufficient for anything but the routine generational minotaur invasion. And if Ish's old drinking buddies (Chait et al) were willing to help if necessary the city would probably be fine for any threat that had been seen in hundreds of years.

But it still doesn't make sense that Tudiya would go unless he was melachim 'nudged' or outright promised that the city would be safe in his absence.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I regret that I have only one '5' to give.

MinistryofLard
Mar 22, 2013


Goblin babies did nothing wrong.


You know, for all the cultural telephone that gives us stuff like "Enkidel slew a demon to found Kavodel and cradled his friend Podral when he died," and we assume has been applied to "Zepa literally wrestled Asherah or Asherak for the land of his seed," I don't think the old tales are that far off.

Consider the stories that were told about Esau and how his arrows could literally talk to him about what's over the horizon and farm for him. Then we literally met an Arrow if Esau and it apparently could do literally everything ascribed to it.

Also consider that nobody exaggerated anything about the Orm or that as it turns out there are (surprisingly friendly) monsters at the bottom of Lake Acco like everyone says.

I don't think the Old Tales are that wrong at all. Hell if anything they're under-exaggerated.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

SerSpook posted:

How Kavodel Came to Be (as told many, many generations from now)

Kavodel was founded when the Great Hero King Enkidel came upon the King of Dogs. The King of Dogs guarded his territory, now where Kavodel stands, fiercely, driving off any demon, monster or man who intruded. A great beast, the size of a mountain, but of noble temperament for he would not slay the men who came like he did the demons and monsters. And if a child would come upon him, he would carry the child on his back swiftly to his people, so he would be safe. The King of Dogs, not having found a man worthy of owning him, came upon Zepath as he delivered such a child. In those days, the Great Hero King ruled Zepath. When the King of Dogs entered his land, the Great Hero King saw this, and followed him.

Enkidel saw what a noble Spirit the King of Dogs bore, and knew his secret. Enkidel found the King of Dogs and wrestled with him for three days and nights. It is said their wrestling was so great that Wicked Gezer, ruled by its Mad King, fell due to the rumblings of the ground. Finally, near the end of his strength, Enkidel used the secret he knew, and scratched the place that made the leg kick. The King of Dogs happiness and kicking was such that the land became more fertile than any other in Ur, and Smattas descended and imparted unto Enkidel the knowledge of New Laws that were more Just, for man had become wicked and needed guidance again.

And so Enkidel spent 18 years forging his great club Mercy. He forged it in secret, and placed it upon the altar of El 18 times, and reforged it anew 18 times, each mixed with his own tears as he wept for those he could not save, and wept for those he had to slay in their foolishness, for Men were very wicked in those days. In the final forging, Marnal descended from the Mountain, and laid a Blessing upon Mercy, so that it would never be Misplaced and would always inspire such in Men.

Enkidel took his bow and from the top of the Temple of El in Zepath he shot an arrow, into the land of the King of Dogs. It flew true, and struck the ground. He went to the arrow and saw the land was right. He raised his great club Mercy high into the air and struck the ground with it. Thus, the foundation of the Temple of El was made. He and his sons, with the aid of the King of Dogs, raised the Temple and from there built the city. Enkidel again fired an arrow, from the Temple he had made, and followed where it landed. He struck the ground there with Mercy, and great wealth in copper and silver appeared.

Enkidel used the New Laws he had been given by Smattas, and the Mercy he had been given by Marnal, to build a city that he declared would always pay Honor to El. The righteous fled the wicked cities as the Demons came upon them and came to Kavodel. There, Enkidel begsn the path of Wisdom, with the Justice of Smattas and the Mercy of Marnal, linking Kavodel with Zepath and Dor. From there, Wisdom came from Kavodel to all the lands, and all became Good again. El smiled upon the land and good things grew, the Demons were driven back, and the world was made right again.

alternative ending: everyone got ate by demons, Enkidel got smote by El, the End

A favorite story, thank you for reciting it.

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

SerSpook posted:

How Kavodel Came to Be (as told many, many generations from now)

Kavodel was founded when the Great Hero King Enkidel came upon the King of Dogs. The King of Dogs guarded his territory, now where Kavodel stands, fiercely, driving off any demon, monster or man who intruded. A great beast, the size of a mountain, but of noble temperament for he would not slay the men who came like he did the demons and monsters. And if a child would come upon him, he would carry the child on his back swiftly to his people, so he would be safe. The King of Dogs, not having found a man worthy of owning him, came upon Zepath as he delivered such a child. In those days, the Great Hero King ruled Zepath. When the King of Dogs entered his land, the Great Hero King saw this, and followed him.

Enkidel saw what a noble Spirit the King of Dogs bore, and knew his secret. Enkidel found the King of Dogs and wrestled with him for three days and nights. It is said their wrestling was so great that Wicked Gezer, ruled by its Mad King, fell due to the rumblings of the ground. Finally, near the end of his strength, Enkidel used the secret he knew, and scratched the place that made the leg kick. The King of Dogs happiness and kicking was such that the land became more fertile than any other in Ur, and Smattas descended and imparted unto Enkidel the knowledge of New Laws that were more Just, for man had become wicked and needed guidance again.

And so Enkidel spent 18 years forging his great club Mercy. He forged it in secret, and placed it upon the altar of El 18 times, and reforged it anew 18 times, each mixed with his own tears as he wept for those he could not save, and wept for those he had to slay in their foolishness, for Men were very wicked in those days. In the final forging, Marnal descended from the Mountain, and laid a Blessing upon Mercy, so that it would never be Misplaced and would always inspire such in Men.

Enkidel took his bow and from the top of the Temple of El in Zepath he shot an arrow, into the land of the King of Dogs. It flew true, and struck the ground. He went to the arrow and saw the land was right. He raised his great club Mercy high into the air and struck the ground with it. Thus, the foundation of the Temple of El was made. He and his sons, with the aid of the King of Dogs, raised the Temple and from there built the city. Enkidel again fired an arrow, from the Temple he had made, and followed where it landed. He struck the ground there with Mercy, and great wealth in copper and silver appeared.

Enkidel used the New Laws he had been given by Smattas, and the Mercy he had been given by Marnal, to build a city that he declared would always pay Honor to El. The righteous fled the wicked cities as the Demons came upon them and came to Kavodel. There, Enkidel begsn the path of Wisdom, with the Justice of Smattas and the Mercy of Marnal, linking Kavodel with Zepath and Dor. From there, Wisdom came from Kavodel to all the lands, and all became Good again. El smiled upon the land and good things grew, the Demons were driven back, and the world was made right again.

alternative ending: everyone got ate by demons, Enkidel got smote by El, the End

This needs to be the fancy index of everything that happened.

Or just replace the OP in its entirety.

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

SerSpook posted:

How Kavodel Came to Be (as told many, many generations from now)

Kavodel was founded when the Great Hero King Enkidel came upon the King of Dogs. The King of Dogs guarded his territory, now where Kavodel stands, fiercely, driving off any demon, monster or man who intruded. A great beast, the size of a mountain, but of noble temperament for he would not slay the men who came like he did the demons and monsters. And if a child would come upon him, he would carry the child on his back swiftly to his people, so he would be safe. The King of Dogs, not having found a man worthy of owning him, came upon Zepath as he delivered such a child. In those days, the Great Hero King ruled Zepath. When the King of Dogs entered his land, the Great Hero King saw this, and followed him.

Enkidel saw what a noble Spirit the King of Dogs bore, and knew his secret. Enkidel found the King of Dogs and wrestled with him for three days and nights. It is said their wrestling was so great that Wicked Gezer, ruled by its Mad King, fell due to the rumblings of the ground. Finally, near the end of his strength, Enkidel used the secret he knew, and scratched the place that made the leg kick. The King of Dogs happiness and kicking was such that the land became more fertile than any other in Ur, and Smattas descended and imparted unto Enkidel the knowledge of New Laws that were more Just, for man had become wicked and needed guidance again.

And so Enkidel spent 18 years forging his great club Mercy. He forged it in secret, and placed it upon the altar of El 18 times, and reforged it anew 18 times, each mixed with his own tears as he wept for those he could not save, and wept for those he had to slay in their foolishness, for Men were very wicked in those days. In the final forging, Marnal descended from the Mountain, and laid a Blessing upon Mercy, so that it would never be Misplaced and would always inspire such in Men.

Enkidel took his bow and from the top of the Temple of El in Zepath he shot an arrow, into the land of the King of Dogs. It flew true, and struck the ground. He went to the arrow and saw the land was right. He raised his great club Mercy high into the air and struck the ground with it. Thus, the foundation of the Temple of El was made. He and his sons, with the aid of the King of Dogs, raised the Temple and from there built the city. Enkidel again fired an arrow, from the Temple he had made, and followed where it landed. He struck the ground there with Mercy, and great wealth in copper and silver appeared.

Enkidel used the New Laws he had been given by Smattas, and the Mercy he had been given by Marnal, to build a city that he declared would always pay Honor to El. The righteous fled the wicked cities as the Demons came upon them and came to Kavodel. There, Enkidel begsn the path of Wisdom, with the Justice of Smattas and the Mercy of Marnal, linking Kavodel with Zepath and Dor. From there, Wisdom came from Kavodel to all the lands, and all became Good again. El smiled upon the land and good things grew, the Demons were driven back, and the world was made right again.

alternative ending: everyone got ate by demons, Enkidel got smote by El, the End

Didn't know you had something so right in you, old chum. Perfecto.

pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.

That's pretty magnificent - well done!

falcon2424
May 2, 2005

Mexican Deathgasm posted:

Maybe after the Jubilee we can consider doing a commando style raid on Athar while wearing the laurels. Like, take our twenty mightiest men and run from the edge of Asherah's land to Athar at full tilt, murder zombie fish-dad, throw the villagers into giant sacks, run full tilt home. Possibly be in and out before Asherah gets off his flabby fish rear end.

I like this. Especially if Asherah's army attacked cities. Then Asherah's forces are far away from Athar. And we can move a lot faster over land than they can.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
But it takes like 3 months to get there from zepath and I feel like the fish men are not exactly walking the whole route that goes past our house to get to geezer

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

What if they just send the small fast ones upstream to open summoning portals?

Schwza
Apr 28, 2008
Usually I'm in the Club Club but after forging a magic arrow I'm thinking that building a bow may be the most useful post Jubilee priority. Enkidel can't kill Shushem from a mile away with Chaits bow and if the Eagle arrow is any indication Enkidel could probably make a super bow before the next Jubilee.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
We should send our men to fight the ocean like Nero did. But instead of them hitting waves the flats of their blades until we declare victory, a fuckin monster comes out and we kill it.

And we do this until the ocean is safe, then we'll sail to athar

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Schwza posted:

Usually I'm in the Club Club but after forging a magic arrow I'm thinking that building a bow may be the most useful post Jubilee priority. Enkidel can't kill Shushem from a mile away with Chaits bow and if the Eagle arrow is any indication Enkidel could probably make a super bow before the next Jubilee.

If only there was another bow we could use, maybe one that's near zombie jerkdad's town.

:thunk:

AbysmalPeptoBismol
Feb 5, 2016

Nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!

We need more firepower before we go traipsing off to fight super demons on their home turf.

What's one way of gaining more firepower/better weapons?

Orbs. Where do we usually find orbs? In the guts of big monsters.

We know the locations of three different massive beasts: Hydragorgolisk, Labbu, and Ugallu.

The potential to craft or sacrifice our way to new artifacts is right there, hiding in the guts of each one of these filthy creatures.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
No you fools, dad wants the orbs, only sacrifice them if we can't bring them to dad

Dad knows the secret orb techniques

EmpyreanFlux
Mar 1, 2013

The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!
I don't think Asherah actually has any kind of retreat for thier forces in a standard sense. Fishmen and lesser demons sent to combat the cities forces are probably consumed with the follow up Doom to uh, "reduce logistics". It's entirely possible that without Tannach getting c-snaked the Doom would have simply turned north towards Gezer.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

AbysmalPeptoBismol posted:

We need more firepower before we go traipsing off to fight super demons on their home turf.

What's one way of gaining more firepower/better weapons?

Orbs. Where do we usually find orbs? In the guts of big monsters.

We know the locations of three different massive beasts: Hydragorgolisk, Labbu, and Ugallu.

The potential to craft or sacrifice our way to new artifacts is right there, hiding in the guts of each one of these filthy creatures.

Can't do it. Tudiya claimed all the stones for the vault when we asked him.

AbysmalPeptoBismol
Feb 5, 2016

Nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!

super sweet best pal posted:

Can't do it. Tudiya claimed all the stones for the vault when we asked him.

And we've never hidden anything from him before?

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
We should just bring dad an orb and casually be like hey pops lemme check how it works nbd either way

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
I'm on team orb dad. Give the orb to dad

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AbysmalPeptoBismol
Feb 5, 2016

Nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!

Tudiya denied knowing how to use the orbs to craft things. He wants them because he believes they are parts of ancient artifacts and his stance on artifacts is "No one is blooded enough to handle them, stick them in the vault!" He's not an expert on this particular topic, he just wants to take what seems to be the most responsible action when dealing with potentially very dangerous objects.

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