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theshim posted:No, it's ripping off the Wrath of Khan. Potassium.
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Welp, we found our lion eating the sun! *braces himself for the speculation explosion*
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VLR OST: [Clarification] Listen in: [English/Japanese] What a relief, huh? Looks like the cat's alive. ... ... [Music fades out] The many worlds interpretation is one theory for explaining that weirdness. So there's another world out there where this cat died? Yeah, that's the idea. ... ... 999 OST: [Riddle and Puzzle] Y-Yeah... Well, your story was pretty insane. Insane...? You don't think so? Just... the idea of something being alive and dead at the same time... And if the moment the lid is opened determines whether or not the cat's dead, then... I mean, the cat doesn't die when you open the lid, so it must have already been dead. Exactly. ...? You've experienced it, haven't you? ... What on Earth are you talking about? When you chose "betray", what was my vote? "Ally". But what happened this time? I chose "ally", and you chose "betray". Right. When did you push the button? Right before the deadline. I see. Well, that makes this a little easier to explain. If you chose "betray", then my vote was "ally". If you chose "ally", then my vote was "betray". But I made my choices a whole minute before you made yours. That my choice in the future altered your action in the past? Yeah. From your perspective, there's no other way to interpret it. ... Now that I thought about it, round one had been the same... 999 OST: [Riddle and Puzzle] Listen in: [English/Japanese] I found it over there. Let me give you one last example. What number is the die on? Still being an optimist. It's probably six. Okay, I'm going to open the lid... That was just a fluke. Was it? Huh? What number was the die on? Six, of course. Haven't you been paying attention? The die is still a collection of atoms, isn't it? I don't think you can reasonably suggest that it was made of some different kind of matter. Wait, so you're saying that before you opened the lid... The die was on all the numbers? Uh-huh. That's one way to look at it, at least. And then when you opened the lid, it was just one number? Or it might have become that number when you declared which one it was. Huh? Wait, what do you mean? [Music fades out] That's... crazy. ... ... We got a little off-topic there, but I think I made my point. You and I seem to be able to jump from branch to branch. Of course, our bodies aren't doing the jumping. Our consciousnesses just sort of... dive into other versions of ourselves in other worlds. 999 OST: [Eternitybox] That's how you knew my name, right? You'd jumped in from another world. That's how you knew all those other things you shouldn't have known. Yeah. That's the best I can figure out at least. Maybe we only remember particularly important things? I'm not sure how it works. But whatever the reason, it seems to be fairly limited. And often we don't seem to remember jumping at all, things will just sort of pop up. That's why when someone asks how we know X, all we can think of to say is "I just knew". Yeah. ... I don't remember ever doing this before, so why would it start now? If we knew that, I don't think we'd be having so much trouble. It's just... Just what? Well, I'm pretty sure it has to do with why we're locked up in here. There's no way this doesn't have something to do with whatever Zero Sr.'s trying to do. Why would he have left that Schrödinger's Cat book in the crew quarters? Hm... You aren't kitten, are you? And all nine of us are locked up inside the box right meow... What if you've got it backwards? Backwards? Then the moment we step out of this place... Yeah. We might be determining the history of the world outside. No way... ... ... I had a thousand other questions, but before I could open my mouth to ask them-- Did something happen? Yes! We found it! Found what? What do you mean, "what"?! What else could we find? The bomb! The other antimatter bomb! The number two bomb is in the control room! Fedule fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 10, 2014 |
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May 10, 2014 17:47
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And the plot thickens, yes we aren't time traveling, we're world hopping. And Sigma is doing it at he moment he makes his decision, So this entire Nonary Game is probably an attempt to teach Sigma this until he's able to do it to... I dunno, stop Radical-6? that seems to be the only major plot element that exists outside. I'm basing this solely on how the Nonary game in 999 was just an excuse to teach Akane of the past the answer to the Sudoku puzzle using Junpei of the future... or Junpei of the Alternate Worlds... Because it wasn't Junpei who was doing the world jumping it was Akane, then using the Morphogenetic field to transfer information to Junpei. From all this, I would assume that Phi is Zero. the message in the computer room of "I am you, you will become me. She knows everything" is a Sigma of an alternate world who finished the Nonary game telling his past alternate world self that eventually he will become him, and that Phi knows everything. Could be wrong though.
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Overflight posted:Welp, we found our lion eating the sun! We've actually seen quite a few of those lying around. This is actually our fifeth nineth lion!
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May 10, 2014 18:07
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quote:This is the worst USB logo ever.
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May 10, 2014 18:34
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Either I tried too early or you messed up your audio links at the start.
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May 10, 2014 18:37
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ENGURL, JPURL, hehe. Does this infodump in any way satisfy the people who were less than happy about Phi and Alice's flipflopping AB game decisions?
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May 10, 2014 18:42
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Welp. I was sure I already did the audio links when I put this in the backlog. (There's also another audio link when Phi starts on her thing with the die) I am clever.
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Onmi posted:From all this, I would assume that Phi is Zero. the message in the computer room of "I am you, you will become me. She knows everything" is a Sigma of an alternate world who finished the Nonary game telling his past alternate world self that eventually he will become him, and that Phi knows everything. But how the heck would he have been able to get that message there in the first place if it was an alternate Sigma? Sigma can only jump to his own body, and planting that message there would have required him to have access to that place before his alternate self (our Sigma) inhabited his body.
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Okay, so Phi and Sigma are from an alternate future where the waveform collapsed and blew up the earth? I mean, we've seen that explosion in flashes before.
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Glazius posted:Okay, so Phi and Sigma are from an alternate future where the waveform collapsed and blew up the earth? I'm pretty sure that explosion is the antimatter bombs going off.
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May 10, 2014 19:09
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GilliamYaeger posted:But how the heck would he have been able to get that message there in the first place if it was an alternate Sigma? Sigma can only jump to his own body, and planting that message there would have required him to have access to that place before his alternate self inhabited his body. We don't retain all memories when we jump, so obviously Sigma jumped and forgot he ever completed a Nonary game? Potentially because he didn't find the answer at the end of it. It's like how Phi knows Sigma's name but not enough to know how she knows Sigma's name. Or Sigma knows enough to know he chose betray but not enough to the exact circumstance that lead to him doing so.
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Onmi posted:We don't retain all memories when we jump, so obviously Sigma jumped and forgot he ever completed a Nonary game? Potentially because he didn't find the answer at the end of it. It's like how Phi knows Sigma's name but not enough to know how she knows Sigma's name. Or Sigma knows enough to know he chose betray but not enough to the exact circumstance that lead to him doing so. No, I mean, at the start of the Nonary Game, Sigma was in the box. He was, presumably, there since he was kidnapped, and after he left the box he's controlled by us. At what point exactly did he have the opportunity to place that message?
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May 10, 2014 19:17
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GilliamYaeger posted:No, I mean, at the start of the Nonary Game, Sigma was in the box. He was, presumably, there since he was kidnapped, and after he left the box he's controlled by us. Okay fair enough. That message was still obviously foreshadowing, so unless he was never meant to see it (unlikely, the entire focus of the game seems to be around him and his abilities) someone who is, or was, or was in a similar position TO Sigma left him a message.
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May 10, 2014 19:35
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Onmi posted:Okay fair enough. That message was still obviously foreshadowing, so unless he was never meant to see it (unlikely, the entire focus of the game seems to be around him and his abilities) someone who is, or was, or was in a similar position TO Sigma left him a message. But who, and how? If it was a message from future Sigma to past Sigma, that'd heavily imply that he had access to the facility before the game started...
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I have to say that I'm rather impressed that we got to this dialogue exposition about some pretty important plot details without seeing a single ending first.
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GilliamYaeger posted:But who, and how? There are ways. From the moment we took control of Sigma, Phi knew our names, which means Phi has at least jumped back once. Despite not having seen the bombs go off, or any of those other scenes Sigma still knows they happened, just not the context behind them. What Sigma remembers, what we know, and what Phi knows, are not necessarily the same things as all the set up to the game. As far as we are concerned Sigma woke up in the room with Phi. However despite that Phi had already leaped back to the beginning and proceeded far enough to recall Sigma. Therefore, even though we took control of Sigma, does not mean we are the only person to be jumping around. Unless of course Phi is Zero, and she's feeding us the information we need to be able to solve or develop whatever that hell it is this Nonary game is about. If one thing is certain, this Nonary Game has a purpose. Especially from the "State of the world is determined once we leave" line, it has to be something major, probably related to Radical-6
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Zoe posted:Wonder how long until people besides Sigma will start being ready to openly admit that they see alternate timelines. It sounds like a pretty open admission to me. So... almost exactly three months, real world time.
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The way Phi explains it kind of sounds like what was supposedly going on with older Akane in 999, where she would burn up and/or phase out of existence when young Akane was on the wrong track. Not quite the same though. Really interested to see how everything comes full circle, though I suspect we haven't remotely scratched the surface of what's going on here.
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VLR OST: [Consternation] Listen in: [English/Japanese] Yeah... And it's number two, apparently. Well, at least we've found them all now... No. There could be more. Like K said, there might be a number four bomb out there. We have no way to know. ... Well, um, not really, but... uh... I wasn't the first person to find it. Who was? K and Luna. After they found it, they came to the infirmary and told the rest of us. Who was in the infirmary? Everyone. Tenmyouji and Dio were there. So were Alice and Quark of course... Although they were still asleep. So everyone who wasn't asleep knows about the bomb. I see. Yeah. There's nobody else here. Where'd they all go? Right after we came here to look at the bomb, they all left. They were going to look for you two. They're the same... Still sleeping. We checked them out just to be sure, but they seemed fine. That's good. Phi and I looked at one another and let out a small sigh of relief. Did you want to know what they were? It took her only a moment to explain. Listen in: [English/Japanese] The next set of doors to open are going to be the white doors. That means we'll have to mix our colors so that we get white. Phi laid out what that would mean. Listen in: [English/Japanese] Yeah. Any other combinations don't make white. What about Alice and Quark? Luna said it's going to be a while until they wake up. We'll just have to carry them. The secondary doors won't open without three bracelets. And if we can't open them... Yeah. We'll get penalized. Exactly. Don't worry about Alice. I'm on her team. Are you saying you can carry her? Yeah. Well, I can get Luna to help me. True, I'm sure she'd be happy to help. He's on K's team. There shouldn't be any issues there. ... Alice said we should be safe as long as it's not triggered with the remote... Maybe, but we can't just leave them here forever. I mean, if they go off then everything in, like, a couple hundred kilometers is gonna get fried... Wait... A couple hundred kilometers? That bomb should only have about as much explosive power as a ton of TNT. ...Which is nothing to sniff at, but that's nowhere near the kind of yield you're talking about-- ... Oh... oh! You think there might be a bunch more anti-hydrogen around here somewhere! The reactor. Yeah. There are supposed to only be eighteen antimatter reactors in the whole world. If that's one of them... Then there's a lot of anti-hydrogen. How much is a lot? Th-Three and a half?! That's like 10,000 times more than Alice's 350 mg! If there really is that much... And if it does explode... Then we would be looking at an explosion roughly 10,000 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. No... That's... that's insane... ... ... K-Know what? That stuff about antimatter reactors. Um... well... that's, uh... during my training, they-- Training for what? Um, my job...? Ah, of course. Or how much fuel each one of those reactors might be storing. ... You don't work at a cafe, do you? Did you hear about that from Alice? Yeah. Oh... Well, um, she's right then. And why are you using antimatter reactors at a cafe?! That's, uh... what we call the... coffee machines... W-What...? Are you loving with me? I'm telling you the truth! I work at a cafe! What? Then what's your real job? ... ... I'm sorry... I really can't tell you anything else. Why not? It's classified. Classified by who? The government... The government? That's right... Alice said it was her job to eliminate enemies of the state, or something. So you two do work together. ... ... ... Check your bracelets! How much time do we have left? [Music fades out] What are you talking about? How long until the doors open! Come on, quickly! We were supposed to have met up five minutes ago! Remember, we're supposed to meet at the infirmary! You guys hurry back, okay? Bye! ...Damnit. And she's gone. ... Hold on. I need to check something really quick. Uh... what? ... ...
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Clover: still the Worst Secret Agent™ Also, group B there makes me very nervous...
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Okay did Clover just hit her head or something between 999 and VLR?
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May 14, 2014 16:29
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Well everyone has more than 1 BP, so it's not like they could die anyway. And Phi will be able to leave with any betrayers unless Sigma betrays her. Dio doesn't even need to betray to get out - he's on 7, and even if he Betrays, K will be right behind him.
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legoman727 posted:Okay did Clover just hit her head or something between 999 and VLR? In 999, Clover tries to stick with her brother. He's an awesome character and because of what happens in the safe ending, Clover is fairly likable. You need to make Clover like you for the good ending, which is another time the game tries to make her likable. In VLR, Snake isn't there, and there's no situation where you need to be nice to Clover. Her character model is even worse than in 999, too. Yeah, Clover has gotten worse, but 999 also did a good job of making her likable enough. Also, VLR's character model is terrible, whereas 999's was tolerable enough.
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You know, it'd be a great twist to have Clover be the new Zero. Just to gently caress with people coming from 999.
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How can you be a secret government agent when you're so bad at lying? I'm not a secret goverment agent! ...said Clover, lying badly.
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Overflight posted:...said Clover, lying badly. 
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legoman727 posted:Okay did Clover just hit her head or something between 999 and VLR? Didn't they say earlier that too much soporil causes brain damage or something? I'm inclined to believe Zero II dosed the crap out of Clover.
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...so, question. Did we actually go through the white door at any time previous? Is this going to be new territory?
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Glazius posted:...so, question. Did we actually go through the white door at any time previous? Is this going to be new territory? We went through it on the magenta path, but we got stopped at the password screen.
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ApplesandOranges posted:We went through it on the magenta path, but we got stopped at the password screen. That very path, we went through another white door to the Security Room and did puzzles there. Remember: there are three white doors.
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Clover's ineptness at lying about her job has become almost endearing at this point.  Although, that may just be because her inability to even contemplate whether she should not give out secret confidential information is leading to fairly important exposition.
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May 15, 2014 10:22
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The point is to spread the exposition over as many paths as possible, for all characters - thus creating a mystery out of many pieces until you've found the answers somewhere in the story, and then the bits of hints that you get after that point (if you do) become a bit tiresome. It's just the nature of this type of game.
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Some blame has to go to her organization for giving her a cover story that meshed terribly with her real job. James Bond worked for an import/export company because that's a job which involves traveling the world and a lot of shmoozing. If you're going to train a person in antimatter and bombs and such don't make them a waitress. Go for, say, a low-level grunt at a research laboratory. Assignments would just be going to a conference and even if they don't have a position with expertise, technical knowledge could be explained with "where I work you just pick these kinda things up. People like to chat."
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Which is just more evidence that they work for ISIS. I have NO trouble imagining Clover and Alice being sent on a mission with the head accountant who proceeds to completely upstage them simply by bothering to read the mission dossier.
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 Wait a minute... You're telling me this disease will make me radical and I'm supposed to not want it?!
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Something about Clover seems off to me and I've felt that way for a while now. The alternative is that she really is just that naive and stupid and that'd be quite the disappointment coming off of 999 
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Sentient Data posted:
Oh my god, I read that in H John Benjamin's voice! Thank you
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