Jeek posted:

As an aside, since Alice appears at the true end of 999, it implies two things:

1. VLR occurs before or at the same time as 999; and
2. Alice will be alive at the true end of VLR (it would be a paradox if the true end in one game does not happen in another game of the same series).

Fedule posted:

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

On the other hand, a real Egyptian from 2000 years ago shouldn't sound like they're from Nebraska. There isn't even a narrative note along the lines of "Sigma noticed that Alice had a strange accent, but couldn't place it". (Plus my personal opinion is that "Egyptians invented magic ice 2000 years ago and froze someone alive and they're okay" is really dumb.)

lotus circle posted:

What, no annoying map movement gif that goes on for way too long and can't be skipped at all? These poor people who never played the game will now never know the joy of having to wait through dots moving on a blueprint map, without being able to skip it the first time through.

_{Still not as bad as 999's d-pad fastforward, but still awful.}

bumble posted:

God, this part had me stumped for longer than I care to admit because I didn't realize the order of the drinks was important. Even finally solving it was frustrating, because I was sure this puzzle was going to lead me to the fourth hemi-hemisphere I had missed instead of optional bonus content.

njsykora posted:

I was the same, not noticing the perspective of the note can throw you quite a bit. Of course the frustration of the drink mixing doesn't make it any easier.

Alberenza posted:

Ahh, but if they opened the AB rooms we would have heard an announcement telling us that they had been opened.

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

I always loved these moments, before I got the game I had the jist of "You'll have to choose ally and betray" and figured "pft I'll just treat it as part of the story who cares." but when the prompt showed up and I had to make the call I found myself laughing and actually conflicted. It's really really exciting.

Terper posted:

Yeah, and Quark has the other blue Pair, which means we're gonna team up with that backstabbing, lying little bastard.

Fat Samurai posted:

24,009,004,897?

Ok, that has to be something, but googling it seems a very bad idea if you want to avoid spoilers. It isn't random, because it is a prime number.

Medieval Medic posted:

Supposing this works out: Quark has 8 points; Sigma and Luna have 7 points; Dio and K have 6 points; Phi has 5 points; Tenmyouji and Clover have 4 points; Alice has 3.

slowbeef posted:

Actually VLR gets Prisoner's Dilemma a little wrong. Double betrayal should hurt both the prisoners (but less so than being betrayed). As it stands, double betrayal doesn't really do anything to the "prisoners."

I know someone's going to argue they're racing to get 9 before other people, and "technically" hurt, but if you're looking at the Ambidex Game on its own (i.e. outside of the Nonary Game proper), it's not a great form of PD. And actually, I do think it would've made the game more interesting if double betrayal lost both parties 1 point or something, but you'd probably have to tweak the numbers a bit.

slowbeef posted:

I covered that in my post.

slowbeef posted:

Uh... I think you missed the whole point of my post!

slowbeef posted:

You know what else? If you end up with two opponents with 1 BP each, they have no choice but to betray. There's not enough gain to ally in the chance you get screwed over, and it becomes a pointless option.

But if both opponents have 1 BP, and double-betrayal loses them 1 BP... guess what? Well, now they have to ally with each other right? Or they'll both die.

...Except, you know... You do have that "guarantee" they'll pick Ally. And that'd net you +3 BP and you're that much farther from death... ...wait, poo poo. Aren't they thinking that about you too?

Welcome back to Prisoner's Dilemma.

slowbeef posted:

Yeah but with stakes being what they are, it's best for both of you to pick Ally.

Neither of you can guarantee it and save yourselves.

That's the dilemma.

slowbeef posted:

edit: Is there a graceful way I can bow out of this til tomorrow? I'm tired and I forgot why this was so important five minutes ago.

LateToTheParty posted:

So do the interactions between characters in this part change if you have a different partner or is it always the same outcome?

BKPR posted:

Looking back, the thing that most annoyed me about this game was this:


This dumb pose. Almost any time Clover is speaking and she isn't scared or angry, she makes this stupid pose.

Count Bleck posted:

I like how Clover's posing bothers people more than her attire.

What even the gently caress is that in her hair?

judgementbringer posted:

I'm pretty sure he keeps snacks and stuff in those. Practical, but very goofy.

Also, from the poll, it looks like the LP is going down the same path I took in my first playthrough. And I find this hilarious, for some reason.

Kgummy posted:

It's clearly like those drink hats, and he's got juice or something in them. He just hasn't taken out the straws.

Or they're antenna/trasmitters so that he can talk to Zero III using only his mind.

Most likely we're going on a terrible end path. Why would Quark have to respond immediately? On the other hand, it could be him realizing that on the path we're on, everyone will die. He starts freaking out right after K and Ten arguing/the chromatic door '1 minute' announcement. I'm guessing that key to not everyone dying is K and Ten getting along. At least, getting along for now. Since there's apparently a ton of endings to this game, it would make sense if Quark wouldn't be able to remember all of what happens right away.

Quark posted:

No... No, that's not it...
Don't you get it?
We aren't going to die...
We have to die...
We have to die here...
All of us...

Justin_Brett posted:

If we're doing all the paths methodically you may as well push thoughts of the endings from your mind, because it's going to take a while.

judgementbringer posted:

You know, I love seeing all the theories that come up in these threads. There is little to no actual information to go on, but so much speculation already. We've only seen what amounts to about an hour or so of game time. It's great.

I'm just sad I can't be a part of it, since I have the game and have already seen all the endings.

Nidoking posted:

I realize it and have a collection of posts bookmarked so I can quote them at appropriate times.

Nidoking posted:

Well, given the time of day at which updates tend to be posted, I'll probably be beaten to the punch each time. My only hope is that people will forget what they've said, particularly in terms of throwaway lines, and seeing their words quoted will surprise them.

legoman727 posted:

Really, this has been what all the "wink wink nudge nudge Luna's the best character" has been about?

She's nowhere near as obnoxious as June, but still. Kinda boring really.

Fallord posted:

This is unnecessary.

GeneralYeti posted:

Please just say "no." The whole "oh boy you guys will love this character wink wink nudge nudge this is the best storyline" kind of crap is really irritating.

Livingtrope posted:

Crap, I didn't realize the letters were called out like that. I actually used the poster to solve the puzzle. Knowing that would have been a great time-saver.

AshtonDragon posted:

G-OLM is the best character in this game. Not close.

Kangra posted:

Mentioned it in the 999 thread, and it seems even more relevant now: If you're interested in this stuff, The Mind's I (edited by Daniel Dennett and Douglas Hofstadter) is a nice collection of stories/articles/papers that deal with this subject. It includes Searle's Chinese Room as well as Dennett's own "Where Am I?" (which discusses a disconnection of perception, control, and consciousness as GOLM was on about), along with a few other items of interest like the Turing Test and Dawkins's invention of the meme.

The mention of numeric puns made me think of something -- was 999 itself supposed to be a pun? (san kyu i.e. 'thank you' which would be an appropriate message from the past) I don't really know if that's the actual title or if in Japanese it would be read that way, but the note on the name code made me think it could well be.

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Lady Charlemagne posted:

Could someone simplify the timeline with the old woman and the rooms? I'm having trouble following it.

Color Printer posted:

Given Zero III's comment on how anyone who tries to sneak out will be penalized (that is, killed by the bracelet), I would assume any bracelet that didn't have 9 points would immediately dispense their payload when they passed through the door, even if that person used a 9-point bracelet that wasn't theirs to open the door.

EDIT: You know, provided there isn't a trick or two like last time.