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Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Hey, I haven't been following laptops for a couple years now, but I'm looking for what I think is probably an impossible laptop.

I'd like to find a laptop thats capable of running VR, but also doing so while only on battery power, for at least 2 hours. I'd also like it to be something thats efficient enough to where I could charge it via a 12v cigarette lighter adapter (one of the things i love about my surface pro). Preferably, again in this imaginary world, it would be able to run off of 100w 5amp of power, or at least run for 2 hours on battery and charge up on said 100w/5amp supply of power.

Price is no object here, I'm more concerned with finding anything that could fill that very specific and probably impossible, niche.

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Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Pillbug

The XPS 9575 sounds like it gets pretty close, but I can't find anyone talking about the battery life while gaming in specific.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust


Grimey Drawer

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...w.296996.0.html

According to this the XPS 9575 will last just over an hour on full load. If you're trying to do VR you will definitely be maxing it out. You could probably get a little longer if you lower the brightness.

Quixzlizx
Jan 7, 2007


What would be my best option if I want to use a <$800 laptop as an HTPC, assuming it'll have a multimedia/streaming focus with occasional gaming? Should I just wait for another Costco Inspiron 7577 deal?

Best Buy has this at the moment, but I don't know if I want a 1050ti at this point, even if I don't really plan on gaming much on it. The Coffee Lake processor is better than the i5-7300HQ the 7577 has, though.

Also, would I have a problem with a laptop generating too much heat while closed even if I disable the screen?

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

"it's a bot! it's a bot!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob


Quixzlizx posted:

What would be my best option if I want to use a <$800 laptop as an HTPC, assuming it'll have a multimedia/streaming focus with occasional gaming? Should I just wait for another Costco Inspiron 7577 deal?

Best Buy has this at the moment, but I don't know if I want a 1050ti at this point, even if I don't really plan on gaming much on it. The Coffee Lake processor is better than the i5-7300HQ the 7577 has, though.

Also, would I have a problem with a laptop generating too much heat while closed even if I disable the screen?

That Nitro is the ~$700 gaming laptop (or rather a Coffee Lake upgrade of the original one) that I've recommended as a cheaper alternative to the ~$1k Helios 300. For the difference in price between the two (especially considering the former is even cheaper at BB now) it's worth it if you don't quite want to spend as much as the latter (although the value difference between the RAM, CPU and especially the GPU is probably worth $300 or so, particularly since you're not going to upgrade any of those components aside from the RAM on a laptop.)

The 1050 Ti is quite fine for gaming, so that sounds sufficient for your needs, especially as primarily an HTPC and only admittedly occasional gamer. I wouldn't worry about the difference between the CPUs, as a Kaby Lake 4C4T is just fine for gaming; the only things I'd address would be the RAM (add another 8 GB and you're good permanently for any of the uses you mentioned,) and storage (add an internal HDD for games/media, and on top of that you can do whatever you'd like for external storage or NAS.)

Simply disabling/turning off the screen like you mentioned won't matter in terms of heat generation (although I guess technically the system will be using less power to run the internal display;) with the lid closed however it may have a slightly more difficult time dissipating heat, although if you just put it on a decent cooling pad with fans it should be fine.

Beyond that the only real qualifier here is the "gaming" designation; for a pure HTPC you're basically able to use anything, although many people like to use quiet SFF systems like a NUC, especially if it's physically located in the entertainment room. If you use software like Plex, however, you can even eliminate this requirement and use any PC, anywhere in the world, only needing something to bring the client software to the TV (Roku, Chromecast, or even built-in software on a "smart" TV.)

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010




Bread Liar

Friend is looking into getting a laptop and suggested this. I think that's about where their budget is.

The one I bought for myself is this one, which I've been quite satisfied with. Not sure if it's worth suggesting that they up their budget a little bit, or if there's something better I could suggest.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

"it's a bot! it's a bot!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob


Zamujasa posted:

Friend is looking into getting a laptop and suggested this. I think that's about where their budget is.

The one I bought for myself is this one, which I've been quite satisfied with. Not sure if it's worth suggesting that they up their budget a little bit, or if there's something better I could suggest.

See what I wrote in literally the last post in the thread before yours. I mention that the laptop you bought is my top gaming laptop recommendation at $1k, and the Nitro being discussed is the preferred ~$700 alternative (better GPU than that "TUF" thing, comes with an SSD which is preferable as a system drive over that SSHD.)

I will reiterate that unless your friend has a hard budget, the jump up to the Helios 300 is worth it because the hardware differences are probably worth that much alone and you're not going to upgrade the CPU & GPU yourself so you might as well spend a little more upfront to get a better, more longevous system. (I mean you technically might be able to upgrade the CPU and GPU if they're socketed and you can find upgrades, but they're generally scarce and expensive, especially in the case of MXM GPUs, and very few laptop owners actually do these kind of upgrades.)

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010




Bread Liar

I started my reply before you had posted, since I was still looking around at options.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

"it's a bot! it's a bot!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob


It's OK, I just hope there's enough information there to answer your/your friend's questions. For a ~$700 budget, I totally recommend that Nitro as a 1050 Ti 4 GB laptop unless you can find a used/refurb'd 1060 6 GB system for around the same price. I mean this is currently a better deal since it has a 1060, but it'll run closer to $800 with shipping and is used, albeit lightly, apparently. The only upgrade I'd make to it is to double the RAM.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010




Bread Liar

In the end I think I managed to convince them to spend a little extra on the Helios 300, since I have one and it works great, and like you said, the gains in CPU speed/RAM/disk outweigh the cost -- their current laptop was a cheapo Woot refurb that was outdated before it even shipped. Only bad thing is that I got mine for $50 cheaper since I bought it back during Black Friday.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

"it's a bot! it's a bot!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob


Yup, I recommended the Helios to my brother and he loves it. Technically it's been as low as $900 on BF, but even at the regular $1050 it's still a good deal if you specifically want a 1060 laptop and don't need an as-thin-as-possible Gigabyte Aero or something like that that puts the price up into the range of the cheapest 1070 systems (and in that case the performance advantage of the 1070 is significant enough to consider.)

The only similarly-priced 1060 laptop competitor to the Helios is whatever the current Dell model is; this appears to be the one I'm thinking of, and at ~$880 after the discount code it's worth considering as a 1060 alternative. Performance should be similar (and ignoring any component differences in terms of display, cooling, and keyboard/trackpad,) at a slightly lower cost. Note that it has an i5 and half the RAM of the Helios, but the CPU is fine if you just need a competent gaming system; the RAM can be doubled and that should put it closer to $950, about $100 less than the Helios' current price. I'd still probably spend the extra money to go with the latter and its i7 especially if this was going to be a user's main system, for other non-gaming uses where slightly better multi-tasking performance would be appreciated. If you were able to find any other Dell discounts, stackable codes or whatever, that may put the price advantage more firmly towards that system, however.

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Eletriarnation posted:

The XPS 9575 sounds like it gets pretty close, but I can't find anyone talking about the battery life while gaming in specific.


Mu Zeta posted:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...w.296996.0.html

According to this the XPS 9575 will last just over an hour on full load. If you're trying to do VR you will definitely be maxing it out. You could probably get a little longer if you lower the brightness.

Appreciate the suggestion, it looks like it doesn't quite work for VR as its not really giving direct feed to the GPU through a usb C and an adapter for HDMI.

I suppose it probably was an impossible idea at this point, to do VR it will need power, and most laptops with GPU power to do that throttle while on batter power. Theres just no getting around the physics I suppose, but I was really hoping I could find something that would run, or at least be able to be charged off a basic small 12v solar system of 100w.

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012



NewFatMike posted:

took multiple days and a phone call to get my XPS 15 ordered, and nearly a week later it still hasn't shipped.

I'm a little anxious to get modeling on a capable machine instead of this Razer Blade Stealth I'm borrowing. I feel your pain!
I canceled my order for a ThinkPad X1 Tablet. It seemed like it would be some decent hardware, but Lenovo doesn't seem to give any shits about customer retention. Long story short: they either cannot or will not modify an order in any way. The won't even let you change the shipping option.

I sure hope they can get some management in there that can change the sales process to "Underpromise Overdeliver" as opposed to the exact opposite.


So... any recommendations in the 1000-1300 range that I can actually get for sure before July 7th that:
-Portable (12-14" screen)
-not a super short 16:9 screen with huge bezels (So.. I guess 3:2?)
-not glued shut (I'd like to have the option of changing the ssd)

thesurlyspringKAA
Jul 8, 2005


I donít know if you can change the SSD in a surface but they are really good tablets. I posted earlier about it but Iíll ah again: the performance, keyboard, and pen are all great.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

thesurlyspringKAA posted:

I don’t know if you can change the SSD in a surface but they are really good tablets. I posted earlier about it but I’ll ah again: the performance, keyboard, and pen are all great.

Yeah, you can change the SSD in a Surface.

I'm actually moving away from the Surface Pro for my next laptop, I'm not using the tablet functionality enough to justify the price premium. If you do use those features though they're great devices once you get a working unit (I had to return mine twice before the third unit worked properly out of box).

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012



Maybe less sexy, but have any of you gotten your hands on an HP Pro x2?

e:or elite x2
oh, they actually have an option to not pay $150 for windows.

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dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

I have an Elite X2 1012 at work. Low end model so only 4GB and some Y series processor.

It's fine I guess and certainly much better built and more durable than my Surface Pro (which is the most disappointing bit of hardware I've ever purchased) but I still don't get the form factor at all - most of the time it just seems flat out worse than a normal laptop.

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012



I guess I'm sold more on the screen ratio rather than the form factor. 16:9 is terrible on a 13" screen.

I'll hold off for now then. Maybe there will be some more options this winter, or at the very least the early adopters of the Huawei Matebook X Pro will let me know if there are any issues with the laptop or support.

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Happy with my Aspire E15. Feels kinda cheap case-wise and it's real big for something this mediocre in power, but a 1960 resolution on a decent sized screen makes it great for Netflix, etc. and with a 256GB SSD, it's running pretty quick on the things I need it to. Thanks for the recc, thread!

IuniusBrutus
Jul 24, 2010



dissss posted:

I have an Elite X2 1012 at work. Low end model so only 4GB and some Y series processor.

It's fine I guess and certainly much better built and more durable than my Surface Pro (which is the most disappointing bit of hardware I've ever purchased) but I still don't get the form factor at all - most of the time it just seems flat out worse than a normal laptop.

I have an 8GB/m5(i5?) model for work and I really like it, but yeah, I never use it as a tablet, and wouldnít pay for it with my own cash as a result.

thesurlyspringKAA
Jul 8, 2005


Nobody in this thread responded to my question (should I get an Alienware 13 with the GTX1060 because theyíre 400 dollars off?) so I did it anyway. Will let you know if it owns and how many FPS I get playing slow-paced strategy games and cruising the internet.

celestial teapot
Sep 9, 2003

He asked my religion and I replied "agnostic." He asked how to spell it, and remarked with a sigh: "Well, there are many religions, but I suppose they all worship the same God."

I've put together a handful of PCs for myself and friends over 15+ years, got A+ certified, worked in a PC shop for a couple years so I know my way around desktop hardware. But I've never done much with laptops beyond replacing a hard drive or RAM or swapping out a DVD-ROM for an extra hard drive, that sort of thing.

That said..

I woke up this morning to find my old Dell laptop doing this:



##techsupport says this is a bad LVDS board and/or cable. Can anyone confirm? What should I expect, and how can I go about learning to troubleshoot this and get necessary parts replaced?

Edit: Not sure if the image is embedding properly, you should be able to see it here: http://upload.fopedush.com/malathion/laptopmonitor.jpg

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!


celestial teapot posted:

I've put together a handful of PCs for myself and friends over 15+ years, got A+ certified, worked in a PC shop for a couple years so I know my way around desktop hardware. But I've never done much with laptops beyond replacing a hard drive or RAM or swapping out a DVD-ROM for an extra hard drive, that sort of thing.

That said..

I woke up this morning to find my old Dell laptop doing this:



##techsupport says this is a bad LVDS board and/or cable. Can anyone confirm? What should I expect, and how can I go about learning to troubleshoot this and get necessary parts replaced?

Edit: Not sure if the image is embedding properly, you should be able to see it here: http://upload.fopedush.com/malathion/laptopmonitor.jpg

If you want to give repairing it a shot find a disassembly guide. Ifixit and dell may both have disassembly/service guides that cover where all the screws and clips are:
https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Dell_Laptop
The main thing to mention is that using a plastic spudger (plastic prying tool) to loosen the case clips and/or pry the thing apart will be less marring to the plastic of the case than a screwdriver so if you don't have a cell phone repair kit it may be worth getting one. They also come with guitar pick shaped wedges you can use to keep a side you just opened from closing up as you work around the case.

Most of the cables that connect the components inside the laptop are flat flexible PCB style cables that have some kind of retention mechanism on the plug they connect to. There's a good chance in your laptop that one of those cables has come loose and is pulled out of its connector, it's a super common issue. It could also be the display board going bad and a replacement will probably be something to get on ebay.

Youtube may also have repair videos for your model where you can watch someone take it apart. Sometimes these are done by shops selling replacement parts, sometimes just by people trying to be helpful.

celestial teapot
Sep 9, 2003

He asked my religion and I replied "agnostic." He asked how to spell it, and remarked with a sigh: "Well, there are many religions, but I suppose they all worship the same God."

Thanks. I was able to get the LCD out by following a youtube guide. I'm mainly hoping someone can confirm or disconfirm the hypothesis that replacing the LCD would either fix it or be a good first step toward fixing this issue, since I don't have money to replace this machine in a hurry and I need it working ASAP.

Edit: lul I took the LCD out, unplugged the cable and plugged it back in and now it's working fine

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politicorific
Sep 15, 2007


I'm about to request a laptop refresh at work and I need some advice. Originally I was given an HP Elitebook 840 but later opted to get a 12 inch Lenovo x205 since I wanted to be more mobile, but my job role has changed significantly. I'm now creating a lot of training videos and coding. My system is slowing a crawl. Here's a rundown on what I do:
  • Use software tools which are Windows-only.
  • Code using Intellij IDE (PyCharm).
  • Create video with After Effects and Premiere.
  • Encode h.265 video using VLC/free utilities. I use an external AverMedia C875 HDMI capture device instead of relying on software tools.
  • Suffer from the mandatory anti-virus software and backup utilities which keep the CPU hovering around 30% usage.
  • Play youtube music videos in the background, which also sucks up CPU.
  • Use GIMP and Inkscape to do minor image manipulation.
  • Approximately 3 times a week I must bring my laptop to meetings to present or take notes.
  • I'm not a road warrior.

Some more facts:
  • I didn't realize the PC I selected is several cycles out of date.
  • Company policy does not allow employees to have two PCs and I am trying to have a better work-life balance, therefore I'm trying to not take my work laptop home unless I'm working on a project I'm passionate about.
  • Following the above, I also don't want to install the corporate VPN on my cell phone. We use Skype for everything, but I don't know if I can use skype on my phone/tablet for presentations. Shoot, I could probably also get a Spotify account to reclaim some CPU, but would need some kind of mixer.
  • There is an approved list of laptops I can request from, or I can get the generic windows image installed to a computer. I have seen some people with Apple devices, but I think they are just using Linux accounts which isn't available for my job role.
  • The Huawei Matebookx is on the list as well as the latest X and T series Lenovos and HP whatevers. I'm really partial to the Lenovo docking station - I have 2 24 inch monitors and external USB devices attached and I'd rather not have to unplug all that crap every time I pick up and go.
I'm thinking I should go for a laptop with the fastest CPU/Memory available.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read and seen, there isn't any worthwhile GPU offload for After Effects/Premiere. Is there any other way I can dock into more power?

Any suggestions or creative solutions?

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thesurlyspringKAA
Jul 8, 2005


I donít have any specifics for you, but when I used premiere a couple years ago it definitely engaged my GPU

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