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Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Insurrectionist posted:

Because I like my screens big. I don't really move my laptop much, the reason I use laptop over stationary is partly space issues with my tiny room/desk, and mostly being able to bring it in my carry-on when I travel by bus, which I usually do to visit my mom for a month or so every summer and occasionally other times. I don't carry it around in my day-to-day life at all.

Insurrectionist posted:

I could, the main issue is my desk is old and full of shelves and poo poo, there's no place to put a separate monitor except on said shelves which means it'd be pretty high up and not all that comfortable to use, which I know since I tried using it with a stationary 10 years ago. Buying a modern desk + separate storage for all my binders etc would add a lot of cost too. But I'd definitely consider it if I can't find any good deals even after waiting a while, even if I'm primarily looking at 17" for now.

Yeah, you absolutely need a more reasonably-sized laptop and a larger display for home use. I mean, except for that once-a-year trip and maybe a few other theoretical occasions it sounds like you don't need a laptop at all, so you could even consider a SFF PC. A more modern desk without tons of shelves also shouldn't cost that much. (Do you have have a photo of the desk? I don't think anyone can accurately imagine just how little space you have to work with.) If space really is a huge concern with your current desk (yet you can somehow fit a huge 17" laptop) then you can get a monitor with a VESA mount (which is pretty much most of them) and an appropriate mounting arm, something like this: https://www.amazon.com/WALI-Adjustable-Capacity-Optional-WL-M001/dp/B018MT6ZEK/

Fusion Restaurant posted:

Is this not giving you pretty intense input lag? I have one but it's sort of been relegated to displaying documents or other things I rarely click on.

The first couple of generations of these types of portable external monitors (i.e. ones with USB2 and then USB3 support) use DisplayLink technology, which is a software solution and is responsible for the limited refresh rate that you've noticed. That ASUS monitor (which I also have and had shared photos of it working with my Chromebook Pixel) is DisplayPort, just like any other DP monitor you'd buy off the shelf, except this one runs over a Type C cable. Remember that the USB 3.1 revision added the Type C connector and other things including Alt Modes, which is where said Type C connection effectively turns into another technology including DP and Thunderbolt (the latter being how external GPUs operate.)

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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

I would reconsider getting a new desk, get a desktop, then go buy a tablet or Chromebook for couch/bed/travel use

The number of people who go on vacation and then spend 8+ hours a day on vacation somewhere outside of their home town playing video games, in reality, is probably quite small

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



eames posted:

Something perhaps worth reading for those who are considering Razer notebooks (like myself)


The whole thing is documented here, including a video of a notebook repair guy who claims Razer is replacing the underdimensioned/faulty mosfets with the same exact same parts on refurbished boards, as well as a non-statement ("contact support") by the CEO of Razer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comments/5tr8wt/razer_ceo_covering_up_cheappoor_design_of_razer/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/razer-ceo-covering-up-cheap-poor-design-of-razer-notebooks.801443/

Well shiiiiit.

Insurrectionist
May 21, 2007

Atomizer posted:

Yeah, you absolutely need a more reasonably-sized laptop and a larger display for home use. I mean, except for that once-a-year trip and maybe a few other theoretical occasions it sounds like you don't need a laptop at all, so you could even consider a SFF PC. A more modern desk without tons of shelves also shouldn't cost that much. (Do you have have a photo of the desk? I don't think anyone can accurately imagine just how little space you have to work with.) If space really is a huge concern with your current desk (yet you can somehow fit a huge 17" laptop)

Desk-chat itt
Well I'm not at it now but a random google search got me one that's close enough: http://i.imgur.com/eXisj7d.jpg

Basically the space is juuust long enough that the laptop screen can rest against the back shelving at a reasonably comfortable viewing angle because it's only leaning backwards slightly off the hinge, although that still puts the keyboard so close that there's no comfortable arm-rest opportunities (thankfully I haven't needed any). A monitor that doesn't lean backwards - especially a bigger one - is not gonna give me a comfortable angle at all, while one that leans backwards at a less steep angle won't leave proper space for a keyboard. The last monitor I had basically stood straight up and I definitely had to move it back on top of the shelving to be able to see poo poo, at the cost of being at a differently weird angle and making me almost look up at it.

Desk's also a little bit of a family heirloom thing so in addition to laziness I also have sentimental reasons to use it, though I'd definitely be better off with something actually made with PCs in mind.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Insurrectionist posted:

Desk-chat itt
Well I'm not at it now but a random google search got me one that's close enough: http://i.imgur.com/eXisj7d.jpg

Basically the space is juuust long enough that the laptop screen can rest against the back shelving at a reasonably comfortable viewing angle because it's only leaning backwards slightly off the hinge, although that still puts the keyboard so close that there's no comfortable arm-rest opportunities (thankfully I haven't needed any). A monitor that doesn't lean backwards - especially a bigger one - is not gonna give me a comfortable angle at all, while one that leans backwards at a less steep angle won't leave proper space for a keyboard. The last monitor I had basically stood straight up and I definitely had to move it back on top of the shelving to be able to see poo poo, at the cost of being at a differently weird angle and making me almost look up at it.

Desk's also a little bit of a family heirloom thing so in addition to laziness I also have sentimental reasons to use it, though I'd definitely be better off with something actually made with PCs in mind.

It never fails, whenever I have to help a friend move they have one of these stupid things.

"Can't we just burn this fucker? You don't use it"

"It's a nice desk! It's worth $800!"

"Bullshit. That's why someone gave it to you for free."

"gently caress you Bob! I'm keeping it"

"What are you going to do? sit at this desk while you write your letters and pay your bills! You're just going to pile poo poo on top of it! gently caress this huge stupid desk!"

"gently caress you Bob! Don't drop it it's worth $800!"

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Insurrectionist posted:

Anyone got experience with MSI laptops? It's upgrading time and I've found pretty good deals on two MSI laptops on sale that seem to eclipse the alternatives in my budget in terms of the big, obvious specs, but I still know poo poo about hardware and I don't really have any experience with MSI either.

First one is this lame-rear end g-g-g-gamerrrr thing. Got an i7 6700, GTX980M and the only laptop I could find in my price-range with 16GB of RAM (keep in mind I'm from Norway AKA the wild west of pricing and availability).

Challenger is this more generic one with the same CPU, plain GTX1060 and only 8GB of RAM.

I haven't kept up with GPUs at all - my current one is an old-rear end GT 650M - but I have the impression the 1060 is...not that impressive? Is it gonna give me more bang for my buck than the 980M? Also I'm pretty loving clueless about most other poo poo so anyone who wants to quickly check if one seems notably better or the like, I'd appreciate it.

The alternatives I've found in the same price-range are a small group of Acer/ASUS/HP machines with generally GTX1060/i5 6300/8GB specs, and several only having a 256GB SSD and no other storage (lots of storage is definitely a bigger priority than large SSD for me).

E: Suppose I should mention, I only need the specs for gaming basically, I don't do anything else strenuous. Honestly most of my time at a PC is spent in a browser or MS Word anyway, and I don't have high demands generally for my laptops - don't play recent AAA games and happy to set everything low when I do. But might as well get the best I can in my budget.

I have a 15 inch 970m laptop, it does the job of gaming just fine. Would a 1060 be better? Certainly, but it's also another like 300 dollars. Do not drop below 970m though. From my understanding 965m and below are completely different.

Actually something I love about the MSI line is that they rarely go above 1080p resolution, which is good because on a 15-17 inch screen a 1440p resolution is kinda bullshit and ruins some games.

Also echoing previous posters, if you are going to get a laptop that is gaming-capable, don't do it because "I want the best laptop" or whatever, do it because gaming on your laptop is a requirement. I have a gaming laptop from work because I travel for work and I straight up told them "I don't sightsee on work trips, I sit in the hotel." For personal use around the house and other poo poo where I'm not gaming, I have a Samsung Chromebook Plus which I greatly prefer. For the price of a modern gaming laptop, you can get the best Chromebook that currently exists and turn your home gaming PC into a monster.

signalnoise fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Feb 21, 2017

Insurrectionist
May 21, 2007

Bob Morales posted:

It never fails, whenever I have to help a friend move they have one of these stupid things.

"Can't we just burn this fucker? You don't use it"

"It's a nice desk! It's worth $800!"

"Bullshit. That's why someone gave it to you for free."

"gently caress you Bob! I'm keeping it"

"What are you going to do? sit at this desk while you write your letters and pay your bills! You're just going to pile poo poo on top of it! gently caress this huge stupid desk!"

"gently caress you Bob! Don't drop it it's worth $800!"

Yeah, it's quite heavy! Honestly they had a huge, bare-bones kinda thing back in my student apartment that was way more convenient to use, though it was a bit too tall for my chair. Now that I'm out and back to this one it's pretty inconvenient. I mean, fine NOW but it's a pain to move and reduces my options for things like monitors or speaker-systems.

I might just keep my current laptop for laptopping things and get a new desk + accompanying PC. If I can trick anyone into helping me get rid of this monstrosity anyway...

Fusion Restaurant
May 20, 2015

Atomizer posted:

The first couple of generations of these types of portable external monitors (i.e. ones with USB2 and then USB3 support) use DisplayLink technology, which is a software solution and is responsible for the limited refresh rate that you've noticed. That ASUS monitor (which I also have and had shared photos of it working with my Chromebook Pixel) is DisplayPort, just like any other DP monitor you'd buy off the shelf, except this one runs over a Type C cable. Remember that the USB 3.1 revision added the Type C connector and other things including Alt Modes, which is where said Type C connection effectively turns into another technology including DP and Thunderbolt (the latter being how external GPUs operate.)

Oh I see, that sounds like a really big step up. Maybe I should upgrade at some point, ty for the explanation.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



So Ive been using the acer VX 15 for a few days and so far I've liked it quite a bit. Battery life and noice seem fine so long as you dont game. I get anywhere from 5-6 hours when doing office work and browsing, its completely silent when not playing video games. The keyboard feels pretty good, has nice tactile feeling to it, its also full sized and the backlight does its job even though its kinda gaudy gamer red thing going on it, but I like that sort of poo poo. Its not overwhelming or anything so its a plus. Performance wise, I haven't actually played any taxing games but its running Tales of Berseria at like 100-120fps fine.

Really the only cons I have are the screen and the trackpad. I'm recently certain the screen is only a fault because I'm used to my high end acer xb27 for a long while. Viewing angles are ok while in door and the light isnt loving with you. There might be a little ghosting? Sometimes I feel like there is a little of it at least on certain conditions. The trackpad feels like rear end, feels like I need a good mouse with me because using this for extended times would just cause me grief..

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Cao Ni Ma posted:

So Ive been using the acer VX 15 for a few days...

I've got a friend interested in it - to get to the internals, would you have to remove the entire bottom half, or is there an access door for the M.2/RAM like on the Predator 15/17 series?

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



BIG HEADLINE posted:

I've got a friend interested in it - to get to the internals, would you have to remove the entire bottom half, or is there an access door for the M.2/RAM like on the Predator 15/17 series?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Okay, so 'remove the entire bottom half' it is. On the plus side, that's some decent venting.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Anyone bought one of those CHUWI laptops they have on slickdeals right now? 14.1 IPS, intel CPU...

Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH
techtablets.com on youtube for some extensive reviews of that chuwi. Some over the top stuff like stuffing in a real SSD and even modding the freaking heatsink. If nothing else, bless 'em for helping put lovely low resolution TN panels to death.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
I'm thinking of buying a new laptop, but I'm having trouble finding one that's right for me. I'm looking for something with:

-Windows 10
-1TB hard drive space
-a CD drive because I'm old and afraid of the future

Does this exist, or am I going to have to make my own? Price is not an issue, but ideally I'd be spending less that $1,000.

sarehu
Apr 20, 2007

(call/cc call/cc)
You really can't use a USB optical drive?

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler
Newegg allows you to sort laptops by optical drive availability and surprisingly, there are still a lot of them - 800+ listings of new models only. You should have no problem meeting those three requirements.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮

Eletriarnation posted:

Newegg allows you to sort laptops by optical drive availability and surprisingly, there are still a lot of them - 800+ listings of new models only. You should have no problem meeting those three requirements.

Well, don't I feel like a moron. Thank you!

EDIT: Well, it turns out the model that suits me is just an updated version of the laptop I currently use. Huh.

Edward Mass fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Feb 22, 2017

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot
What's with the hate for Asus in this thread? I was under the impression their laptops, in particular ultrabooks, were a solid and competitively priced choice.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Insurrectionist posted:

Desk-chat itt
Well I'm not at it now but a random google search got me one that's close enough: http://i.imgur.com/eXisj7d.jpg

Basically the space is juuust long enough that the laptop screen can rest against the back shelving at a reasonably comfortable viewing angle because it's only leaning backwards slightly off the hinge, although that still puts the keyboard so close that there's no comfortable arm-rest opportunities (thankfully I haven't needed any). A monitor that doesn't lean backwards - especially a bigger one - is not gonna give me a comfortable angle at all, while one that leans backwards at a less steep angle won't leave proper space for a keyboard. The last monitor I had basically stood straight up and I definitely had to move it back on top of the shelving to be able to see poo poo, at the cost of being at a differently weird angle and making me almost look up at it.

Desk's also a little bit of a family heirloom thing so in addition to laziness I also have sentimental reasons to use it, though I'd definitely be better off with something actually made with PCs in mind.

Oh, that's an old writing desk. The thing is, not only does it limit your space for a monitor/PC, it's not made for ergonomic use of a keyboard & mouse. (You've already discovered that you shouldn't have a monitor above your eye level.) That desk is going to be a huge hindrance towards your proper use of a PC. You really need to at least get some cheap Ikea PC desk. You can keep your old heirloom writing desk and use it for, you know, writing.

Fusion Restaurant posted:

Oh I see, that sounds like a really big step up. Maybe I should upgrade at some point, ty for the explanation.

What's even better is something like this, which is a nice monitor that will connect to your laptop and charge it at the same time! It even works as a hub/docking station, having a couple of Type A ports, so you could connect it to, say, a keyboard & mouse so that all you have to do to dock & charge your laptop is plug in the Type C connection.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

all-Rush mixtape posted:

I'm thinking of buying a new laptop, but I'm having trouble finding one that's right for me. I'm looking for something with:

-Windows 10
-1TB hard drive space
-a CD drive because I'm old and afraid of the future

Does this exist, or am I going to have to make my own? Price is not an issue, but ideally I'd be spending less that $1,000.

Gigabyte still puts optical drives on a lot of their mid/high-grade laptops, but you can buy a bus-powered DVD-RW drive for $10-20 after rebate nowadays.

Michael Scott posted:

What's with the hate for Asus in this thread? I was under the impression their laptops, in particular ultrabooks, were a solid and competitively priced choice.

Their tech support isn't the best.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

all-Rush mixtape posted:

Well, don't I feel like a moron. Thank you!

EDIT: Well, it turns out the model that suits me is just an updated version of the laptop I currently use. Huh.

Do seriously consider a USB optical drive though, they are slim and handy these days, and likely you will find yourself using it for any and all computers you get down the line as well. You know your use-cases better than I do, but I suspect you will get something a bit outdated in several other ways if you constrain yourself to machines with optical drives.

Prescription Combs
Apr 20, 2005
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Michael Scott posted:

What's with the hate for Asus in this thread? I was under the impression their laptops, in particular ultrabooks, were a solid and competitively priced choice.

The Zenbook hinge design is garbage and the plastic frame on the lid it bolts to usually ends up breaking.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I have a Zenbook and the keyboard and trackpad is garbage. It's pretty good for a $600 fanless ultrabook but if I could go back I wouldn't have bought it.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
I bought a refurbished Asus whose screen went green. Aside from that they've been decent but thankfully I've never had to call in support.

In the case of my most recent laptop, the screen shat itself riiiight after the refurbished warranty expired. So uhhh I'll probably avoid any Asus laptop in the future (barring ultra cheap ones because all of them are fairly likely to fail regardless of manufacturer or model).

Oh yeah the track pad was utter garbage, thankfully touch screens are more than adequate when you can't use a mouse.

As a side note, touch screen laptops are really underrated by techies for some reason. It's just another super convenient input method built in imo. It makes work easy and after having enjoyed the feature in my current work laptop, I'd never get a new device without touch.

I'm surprised that so many non touch laptops are still being made today. Touch good.

KingSlime fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Feb 22, 2017

Housh
Jul 9, 2001




What do you guys think of those HP Zbooks as portable adobe cc workstations?

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

Michael Scott posted:

What's with the hate for Asus in this thread? I was under the impression their laptops, in particular ultrabooks, were a solid and competitively priced choice.

I bought my wife the Zenbook UX305 and its a very nice machine for $600. Trackpad is meh, but there's a lot worse out there (see: anything made by Dell).

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
Not really, the trackpads on the better Dell models (I.e. the XPS and Latitude) are way ahead of anything from Asus

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

all-Rush mixtape posted:

I'm thinking of buying a new laptop, but I'm having trouble finding one that's right for me. I'm looking for something with:

-Windows 10
-1TB hard drive space
-a CD drive because I'm old and afraid of the future

Does this exist, or am I going to have to make my own? Price is not an issue, but ideally I'd be spending less that $1,000.

Reconsider the 1TB requirement too - that means an absolutely painfully slow mechanical hard disk (unless you spend mega dollars). If you can get away with a modestly sized SSD and and external disk do so.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



dissss posted:

Reconsider the 1TB requirement too - that means an absolutely painfully slow mechanical hard disk (unless you spend mega dollars). If you can get away with a modestly sized SSD and and external disk do so.
More laptops are coming out with both an SSD and a hard drive now. I recommended my sister a 700€ laptop two months ago that had that (and a FHD IPS screen). There were four or five brand/models like that below that price. I'd imagine that not being a $1000+ exclusive anymore. Condition of course is that a potent dGPU or quad core CPU isn't a requirement.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Aren't those just hybrid drives? If so, they usually have a tiny SSD. Like 16 gigs maybe. They aren't a good value.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Mu Zeta posted:

Aren't those just hybrid drives? If so, they usually have a tiny SSD. Like 16 gigs maybe. They aren't a good value.
No, 128GB+1TB or 256GB+1TB is what I'm talking about, with the SSD used as the system drive and the HDD only for additional storage. The SSD comes in one of those newfangled stick form factors that last year's "regular hard drive with physically separate tiny cache SSD" paved the way for. The latter, as well as hybrid drives, are poo poo I indeed wouldn't recommend.

Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH

Auron posted:

I bought my wife the Zenbook UX305 and its a very nice machine for $600. Trackpad is meh, but there's a lot worse out there (see: anything made by Dell).

They really need to update that line. DDR4 should give the integrated graphics a boost.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Flipperwaldt posted:

More laptops are coming out with both an SSD and a hard drive now. I recommended my sister a 700€ laptop two months ago that had that (and a FHD IPS screen). There were four or five brand/models like that below that price. I'd imagine that not being a $1000+ exclusive anymore. Condition of course is that a potent dGPU or quad core CPU isn't a requirement.

Examples? Aside from older models with optical bays most of the ones I've seen are massive clunky 'gaming' systems which you as a rule shouldn't buy if you don't need to.

Quidthulhu
Dec 17, 2003

Stand down, men! It's only smooching!

A lot of the new Republic of Gaming laptops have the option for a 256SSD+1TB HD. One of the slim MSI models from the early 1060 runs have that as a configurable option.

Why do I know this off the top of my head.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Yeah those are the clunky gaming laptops that you shouldn't buy unless you have to

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

:toot: RIP ZEEZ :toot:

dissss posted:

Examples? Aside from older models with optical bays most of the ones I've seen are massive clunky 'gaming' systems which you as a rule shouldn't buy if you don't need to.

The XPS 15 is prolly the best example imo, like last year or the year before. Olderish I guess, but def not a clunky gaming system.

Although prolly more than 1k still I suppose.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

foutre posted:

The XPS 15 is prolly the best example imo, like last year or the year before. Olderish I guess, but def not a clunky gaming system.

Although prolly more than 1k still I suppose.

The one with the space for a 2.5" drive has a small battery so even that isn't uncompromised

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

:toot: RIP ZEEZ :toot:
Huh, yeah. As a pretty clunky gaming laptop owner for a good while now I guess I just kind of assumed that configuration was more common, but looking around some I see your point.

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Spinning rust is cool & good for bulk data storage, but for a laptop, I like my HDD external.

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