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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:this isn't totally germane but wages in europe tend to be substantially lower for the kind of middle class professionals that make low six here in the US. i've been shocked at some of the title/responsibility/pay combos i have seen. Yep, never worked in the US, but I envy your ability to just leave at the drop of a hat. Generally in the UK, notice periods are a mandatory 4 weeks for most standard office roles, sometimes increasing with seniority. My role is definitely not focused around specific clients so if I were in the US I'm sure I could leave easily, but it's a much stricter setup here w/r/t employment contracts. Pay is definitely much lower than in the US (sub-six figures for a senior role isn't outrageous here), but then standard of life is still fairly comparable so I don't mind too much on that front (similarly, salaries in Amsterdam are set to be lower than those in London, but I think I'll actually have a better chance at buying property etc. there than I do here).
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Wanted to follow up here. I posted a couple months back for a resume review. Got lots of good feedback. If this is the wrong thread point me in the right direction. I've got two offers on hand. Not sure which is the best option for future career growth if I want to carve a product management / strategist-type career path for myself. Both are in the Midwest, same state, within a 20-35 minute commute. Both working from home til the pandemic blows over. Company A - Systems Engineer * Primarily developing requirements for an internal customer experience management tool, utilizing "big data" toolsets to develop KPIs for other internal business units to launch better products * Own 5-6 features at a time * Write requirements for an external vendor, not sure entirely what they will entail but most likely software & user experience (aka how people within the company will be using this tool) * Eventually develop my own features when I can identify an opportunity for ROI * Team is small. Just me and one other systems engineer and the manager. I think they're trying to build it out. Meaning processes could be lacking. * Company is 5-10k employees * Even before the pandemic they were working from home 2 days/week * Offer is $95k base + 10% bonus * The pay range for the position was up to $110k * Upwards mobility looks like Systems Engineer -> Senior Systems Engineer -> Lead Strategist Company B - Engineer II * Originally applied for Project Engineer but I had half as many years of experience as they wanted * Primarily develop product requirements for consumer electronic systems E2E (like wireless headsets) * Start with 1 project/product, then scale up to 3-4 at a time. Typical timeline E2E is 2 years, or 1 year if its a derivative product. * Write requirements for hardware, software, electrical, user experience, certs/standards, etc * Company is 1-5k employees. My team would consist of 8 other project engineers, so the opportunity for mentorship is there. * Before/after pandemic, it's an office job * Offer is $100k base + 10% bonus + $5k sign on * I was told $100k was basically the absolute top of the pay band for this position. They said I'd still receive normal merit increases but I'm not sure if this means I'd be "capped" until I got promoted to Project Engineer. * Upward mobility looks like Engineer II -> Project Engineer -> ??? I will speak to Company A to see if they will budge on compensation given I currently am employed plus have a competing offer, but otherwise pay is about the same for each. What are your guys' thoughts? Dangerous Mind fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Nov 20, 2020 |
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Dangerous Mind posted:Wanted to follow up here. I posted a couple months back for a resume review. Got lots of good feedback. Congrats on the two offers, way to go! I don't see a worth mentioning difference career wise in those positions so I'd pick the one I think I'd be happiest at. I'd make sure to compare benefits/culture too because $5K can easily be made up in a little more 401K/fewer working hours/better insurance. Negotiating is a good idea. Theres a negotiation thread in BFC but it sounds like you're already pretty far down the line, just need to counter. FWIW $100K seems about right for top of pay scale in my middle-COL area for a Sys E II in aerospace. You're 3 years in so a promotion to Engineer 3 prob wont be for a year or two at best. If these were very big companies I'd say you prob wont get much in the way of raises without a promotion. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Nov 20, 2020 |
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I calculated that I'd need minimum $95k base plus 10% bonus at Company A to match my current compensation so they met those expectations, which is nice. A buddy who used to work at my company who works at Company B said the benefits are great there so anything on top is just gravy. I agree though. I need to decide, given there is no promotion over the next 3 years, where would I be happiest. I'm strongly leaning towards Company B just because of the company culture. But I did intern at Company A so I'm also familiar with their work culture and it was good as well.
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Company B looks nominally better, some of the external Vendor stuff sounds like it might be some operational work. Maybe not though, just something that stuck out. External products always look better on a resume than internal too (and I'm a guy who works mostly on internal stuff). WFH is nice on A though, that'd be worth a fair bit to me vs a job that's still going into the office. Overall seems like a real good outcome from when you originally posted though! It sounds like your finding what you want.
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For sure. One of the reasons I want to leave my current job is that the products/tools we create are either internal use only, or for a very specific set of customers, where I'd never be in a position to use our products. Too far-removed from the customer, you know? Work from home 2 days/week sure is tempting, though. Decisions, decisions.
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CarForumPoster posted:There’s nothing inherently wrong with that other than the chance it’s too long. You’ll still want to be as succinct as possible. Post your resume. I’ll probably rewrite it and remove everything except my current job (or keep a few key things from the other ones). Here’s how I have it written out. According to my dad this is good and what he’s looking for in a resume but I don’t really agree. code:I don’t think what I currently have accurately portrays that, I think it’s too vague and I was caught up more with making it sound professional than with making it...actually good.
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Thumbtacks posted:I’ll probably rewrite it and remove everything except my current job (or keep a few key things from the other ones). I'd like to contact you privately to learn more about your lead gen efforts but you don't have PMs. Since you mentioned Lexis I'm presuming law firms. I'm guessing from the description you're at some sort of plaintiff side or mortgage sweatshop? If you're actually a manager with direct reports, you're under selling it. If you're a team lead, its confusing. If you're not actually a team lead it's misleading. Based on which of those three it is I'll have different advice. Here's the CarForumPoster version of what it sounds like you're doing. If youre still doing the technical job, I'd rename your current job to Sales Generation Team Lead or something similar. code:CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Nov 23, 2020 |
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^^Agree. Don't say you were a specialist/manager. If you were a manager say manager. I'd also maybe look to spend more space on the manager part instead of the specialist part, but that sorta depends on the rest of your resume.
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Need some advice about applying for multiple jobs at the same company. • If there's two developer positions in slightly different areas, is it going to cause trouble if you apply for both? • If you apply for a job, get no response other than the initial acknowledgement, and then later the same job is reposted on the job board or website, how soon before you can safely reapply for it?
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Quackles posted:Need some advice about applying for multiple jobs at the same company. 1. No trouble, but be upfront on the multiple applications when the recruiter calls. Large companies sometimes they won't even know about the other position even if its identical. 2. I'd say 4 weeks, but do whatever. If they didn't like you it doesn't matter, and they might have just missed you the first time. Don't apply multiple times for the exact same position, but if its a new posting its probably better to apply than not.
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CarForumPoster posted:I'd like to contact you privately to learn more about your lead gen efforts but you don't have PMs. Since you mentioned Lexis I'm presuming law firms. I'm guessing from the description you're at some sort of plaintiff side or mortgage sweatshop? You can DM me on discord, Tacks#7636. And I will take that into consideration and make some changes, thank you! It's not a sales position, I work with property lawyers and stuff. But it's a similar situation, it's hard to generate leads when there aren't new properties being sold or anything. Trying to stay vague for relative anonymity.
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Questions for the thread denizens. I'm happy in my current role but was contacted by a recruiter from a Big Tech company. 1. If I interview for the position and end up receiving an offer, then I decline the offer, can that hurt my chance of looking for another position with that company in the future? This would factor into me telling the recruiter if I'm interested or not. 2. I wouldn't want to be a jerk and take up people's time if I had absolutely zero interest in considering this position. But The Number would have to be a big jump for me to switch gigs. If I get an offer but it's not on that level after negotiating a final deal, how would one let the prospective employer down gently so as to not burn bridges? Maybe looking for phrasing ideas here. Inner Light fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Nov 30, 2020 |
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Inner Light posted:Questions for the thread denizens. I'm happy in my current role but was contacted by a recruiter from a Big Tech company. Just apply and interview if you might say yes. Especially if you’re a female or minority engineer and this is a big company. Might even help that you said no previously. Why decline? Just ask for a lot of money. Let them decline you, if they say they can’t meet your number. The only way it’d burn bridges mayyybe is if they give you what you ask after a few rounds of back and forth and you still say no and even then, meh. I think you underestimate the turnover and growth rate in big tech. I’d be fine with hearing something like: I’m sorry to hear that, this position sounds very exciting. I hope as my career continues we will cross paths again. Also IME with this thread the hilarious amount of money is sometimes not that much. E.g youre a SW eng 1 making $90k now and your lol no way amount is $150k...guess what if you’re applying to a SW2/3 in the Bay Area that’s easily on the table with RSUs in play.
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Inner Light posted:Questions for the thread denizens. I'm happy in my current role but was contacted by a recruiter from a Big Tech company. The recruiter actually works directly for the company? And they sought you out for a specific role? That's not a bad position to be in, ask for a lot of money and you just might get it. If you do turn it down, don't worry too much about burning bridges. Interviews can be enlightening for the people conducting them too. If you 100% don't want it, drop out. But taking 30-60 minutes of a few people's time to chat about the role to see if it jives on both ends isn't some terrible thing to do. If there's some record of it in HR it would just be like "candidate did not proceed to round 2 interview" or something like that. See what people are saying on glassdoor too.
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Thoughts/experiences on visible tattoos at job interviews? I have a "coffee and a chat" with the director of a HR consultancy I'd really love to work with. If I got the job, one of the main clients of his firm I'd be primarily working with is a disability services provider, and in that sector tattoos are no big deal. I'm working in that sector now but in a front line support role as opposed to the HR/systems/policy side of things. Usually when I meet with a potential employer I wear a suit, because I'm a middle aged woman whose arms are about 75% covered, so I just like to remove potential sources of bias. But the last group interview I went to had a lot of candidates who had 3/4 length sleeve shirts with visible tattoos while I sweltered away in a blazer. It's coming into summer here and I'm wondering whether I should keep putting in the effort of full length sleeves or get a bit more relaxed about it?
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CarForumPoster posted:Just apply and interview if you might say yes. Especially if you’re a female or minority engineer and this is a big company. Might even help that you said no previously. Why decline? Just ask for a lot of money. Let them decline you, if they say they can’t meet your number. The only way it’d burn bridges mayyybe is if they give you what you ask after a few rounds of back and forth and you still say no and even then, meh. I think you underestimate the turnover and growth rate in big tech.. Agree strongly with this. If you think you'd say "No thanks I am not interested" regardless of the number I'd maybe not take an interview with a place you think you'd go for again. But if you say "I want to make $XYZ" and they turn you down that is absolutely not a black mark at all. bee posted:Thoughts/experiences on visible tattoos at job interviews? I have a "coffee and a chat" with the director of a HR consultancy I'd really love to work with. If I got the job, one of the main clients of his firm I'd be primarily working with is a disability services provider, and in that sector tattoos are no big deal. I'm working in that sector now but in a front line support role as opposed to the HR/systems/policy side of things. From the US tech market, visible tattoos are really not a big deal at all. It does depend on the industry, I'd say banking and maybe legal its a "put a bit of effort into hiding them", most places don't care. I don't know (I assume) Aussie culture or disability but if you think its not a big deal it's probably not. If you're not sure, you can probably go with something with lighter sleeves where maybe they are visible but not necessarily the first thing you notice.
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Say I apply for a job, and I don't hear back (or I get a rejection) but I *do* see someone from that company looking at my LinkedIn. Am I right that their primary motivation is to see what I look like?
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Say I apply for a job, and I don't hear back (or I get a rejection) but I *do* see someone from that company looking at my LinkedIn. Am I right that their primary motivation is to see what I look like? I couldn't tell you. I deliberately don't have a photo on my LinkedIn.
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Yeah, beginning to think it can only hurt me, in spite of my amazing good looks. I'll delete mine.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i don't think thats why people are looking at your linkedin
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Aside from the picture it has less information than my resume, so why are they looking at my LinkedIn? You don't know what's on a Linkedin until you look at it. The biggest reason I look is to see if there's any shared connections or anything. If I see they worked with or know someone who's opinion I trust it could be worth following up. Depending on the industry the hiring manager circle isn't that big.
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Well, remember that resume I posted here a while ago? I have started to get interest. I have 3 initial interviews this week (2 today!) and a fourth next week... will let you know where this is going.
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Lockback posted:You don't know what's on a Linkedin until you look at it. that plus it's interesting to see if they're engaged in any linkedin groups, what they post, if they post etc
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Good luck! Yesterday I got asked for references for a role that I thought I totally choked in the interview for, so that was a pleasant surprise.
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Quackles posted:Well, remember that resume I posted here a while ago? I have started to get interest. I have 3 initial interviews this week (2 today!) and a fourth next week... will let you know where this is going. Awesome! I think things are thawing a bit right now, and your resume is pretty good. Not surprised your getting some real bites now.
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Oh hey thanks Lockback, I meant to say that earlier but it slipped my mind. It turned out to be a cool morning so I wore my suit jacket  but I appreciated the advice all the same! So I "interviewed" with the director of a HR consultancy firm yesterday. I say that in quotes because he didn't actually ask me any questions, he talked about his company and his main client that I'd be working with if I was hired, then he asked me if I asked him any questions about the role. So I asked about what sort of challenges the client was having and we went over that and talked about our personal approaches to work. Everything seemed to go well, and he told me that he intends to call my references tomorrow and call me early next week to discuss the next steps. He also sent me the contact details of one of his previous high level direct reports when he was head of global HR for *big manufacturing company* so that I could find out what he's like to work with. I've never had this sort of information be offered to me before. The job market in Australia is very competitive so vetting potential employers isn't really a thing here, or at least it's uncommon. What sort of thing should I be asking this reference? I feel like if the director has given me this guy's details then he expects that I should talk to him...
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It’s probably just the cynic (and the American) in me talking but my sole reaction to that is “I wonder what exactly the scam will turn out to be?”
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bee posted:Oh hey thanks Lockback, I meant to say that earlier but it slipped my mind. It turned out to be a cool morning so I wore my suit jacket In US we're coached to only answer the timeframe of employment and if they are eligible for rehire (which is sorta code for did they get their rear end fired). The questions we're asked are usually a bit more in depth, usually "What were they good at" "What projects did they work on", sorta stuff. For good former employees I'll usually answer those, crappy ones (who for some reason still put me as a reference??) I'll just give that info. I'd guess it'd be just a "What did they work on, what were they doing" at worst maybe the performance review ratings.
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Eric the Mauve posted:It’s probably just the cynic (and the American) in me talking but my sole reaction to that is “I wonder what exactly the scam will turn out to be?” yeah i would try to verify any of the things that the dude told you bout the company etc
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Eric the Mauve posted:It’s probably just the cynic (and the American) in me talking but my sole reaction to that is “I wonder what exactly the scam will turn out to be?” I have to admit I also feel sceptical about it, mostly just because I've never had a hiring manager ask me if I wanted to vet them before. The director's background and the manager he gave as a reference check out online. Looking at LinkedIn, the director spent four years at an org my uncle spent pretty much his entire career at, so I'm going to call him first and ask him what he knows about the director. Suspicion aside, if this job is actually what the director is making it out to be, it'd be a massive step forward in my career. I've been interviewing for months now and have been told multiple times that I'd be great in the role and I interviewed well, would be a good cultural fit etc but I lost out the role to someone with more experience, even though my education and qualifications were more impressive. The director told me at the interview that he doesn't want someone who is deeply experienced as he finds HR mangers tend to get set in their own ways and he is looking for someone that is more flexible, able to grow with the business and learn on the job. He was upfront about salary and it's reasonable for the responsibilities of the role. My brain is going to "if this is a scam, what exactly do I have that can be taken advantage of?" and I'm not coming up with anything outside of he's an older guy, I'm a middle aged woman and maybe he's a sleaze? But he seems quite reputation-oriented so I am leaving that possible outcome aside for the moment. Thanks Kyoon and Lockback for the suggestions, I'll put them on my list
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Got laid off, been job searching for a few months now for a good fit. I'm wondering what is the best approach towards interviewing prep. A generic prep that is, that will apply for most companies. Basic questions /tone. "tell me bout yourself" "3 strengths/weaknesses" etc Then have 2-3 projects/improvements that you can utilize to knock out the rest of the behavioral questions and such. I figure if I can nail down those few, it should get me interview ready for most company's behavioral interviews and the rest is how I can come off during the interview as a personable person. I'm a CPA with 7 years of experience, so worst case scenario I can return to work for a firm, but at this point in the time I'm really not looking to do public accounting again because it sucks for obvious reasons. Any curveball questions that have developed that you guys have noticed? I'm not a very good interviewer to be honest but have landed many jobs in my life, it just takes alot of persistence. And when I say I'm bad, I'm not exaggerating. I'm a bad interviewer, but I'm going to get better with prep and practice. In my past jobs, I passed the interview because the interviewer liked my genuineness and something shined through that i'm unsure of what it is.
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"What things did you accomplish that brought value to your last company? Quantify that." "What are things that you did that made your team more productive? Quantify that." Usually things that have to do with how you usually work on a team, be able to speak to that. When interviewing, emphasize the things you did that went above and beyond the day to day. A common mistake I see with people is pushing the fact that they can "do the basic requirements and here are the basic requirements of my last job that I was able to do", but if I have that person against someone else who sounds like they have ideas on how to make things better or improve process or w/e I'll always pick the latter.
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Some of the best interview advice I think I've been given recently is to listen for the verb in the question, and have that as your focus in your mind as you answer. Don't just tell them that you did A Thing, go into the details of how you did that Thing.
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Can anyone offer me input on my answer for Tell me about yourself? I know its a bit generic. quote:I’m a CPA, and I have a Masters in Accounting.
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Smif-N-Wessun posted:Got laid off, been job searching for a few months now for a good fit. I'm wondering what is the best approach towards interviewing prep. A generic prep that is, that will apply for most companies. Practice STAR technique. Breakdown these questions and ensure your answer covers in order: Situation - What's the background Task - What are you being asked to do Action - What did you do in response Result - How did that work out for you Always include the Result. Make sure to talk about what you've learned since and how you'd approach it now if applicable.
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How am I handling these "do you have any questions for us?" answers? I had an interview today and threw these out. My rationale for asking these, even though they might seem presumptive, is just so they could start seeing me as a potential employee already. Tell me if i'm an idiot: 1) "How was the previous person in this position? What did you like about them and what do you want to see in a new candidate?" 2) "Im sure you two both started interviewing today with a specific candidate in mind..can you tell me what that looks like?" (I followed up with some responses on how I fit some of those qualities) 3)"You mentioned I'd be working with a team and that the job is collaborate. Tell me more about them and how I would be working with them. What are they hoping for in a new person?" (followed up with my teamwork abilities) 4) "What is the day-to-day like? Am I starting on a new project or taking over an existing one? How might that change over time?" (I've had multiple jobs where I got hired on for one thing and eventually became another thing. Normally I don't mind it because it results in extra resume bullet points by the time I leave. But its something I like knowing) 5) "Are there any other questions or concerns you might have with my ability to perform this job? Anything I may have forgotten to mention that youd want to know or like clarified?" (I was using this to see if they had anything that was holding them back and could both save us time now instead of later. I got a satisfactory "no you answered everything" response but I don't really buy it. ) 6) Do you have stairs in your house? 3, 4 and 5 were my only legitimate questions. 1 and 2 were just things to get them talking so I could find extra opportunities to sell myself more. This is really my first time putting a lot of effort into the last stretch of the interview. My idea is to get us talking more about actual job duties and immediate concerns after we had passed the standard Q&A format which I assume is more for screening in a first round interview.
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buglord posted:1) "How was the previous person in this position? What did you like about them and what do you want to see in a new candidate?" buglord posted:2) "Im sure you two both started interviewing today with a specific candidate in mind..can you tell me what that looks like?" (I followed up with some responses on how I fit some of those qualities) buglord posted:3)"You mentioned I'd be working with a team and that the job is collaborate. Tell me more about them and how I would be working with them. What are they hoping for in a new person?" (followed up with my teamwork abilities) buglord posted:4) "What is the day-to-day like? Am I starting on a new project or taking over an existing one? How might that change over time?" (I've had multiple jobs where I got hired on for one thing and eventually became another thing. Normally I don't mind it because it results in extra resume bullet points by the time I leave. But its something I like knowing) buglord posted:5) "Are there any other questions or concerns you might have with my ability to perform this job? Anything I may have forgotten to mention that youd want to know or like clarified?" (I was using this to see if they had anything that was holding them back and could both save us time now instead of later. I got a satisfactory "no you answered everything" response but I don't really buy it. ) What's your strategy here? If your goal is to get any job, the hard sell poo poo can work. If you goal is to get a good job, it's counterproductive. Good bosses see through it and poo poo ones don't. If your future boss is susceptible to your hard sell bullshit, they're likely going to be susceptible to everyone's hard sell bullshit. And that will make your job suck. Dik Hz fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Dec 10, 2020 |
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