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Man, just missed it. Guess I'll get in when you do a public build. My feedback for sproggiwood was so generic that i feel bad about it in retrospect, next time i will find something helpful to submit/report. edit: Pladdicus posted:Hey Dungeonmans, found a secret warning when I entered a room, what do I do!? THERE'S NO SEARCH BUTTOOONN Walk into the wall that you think is secret, if you have high enough stat (science?) it will just show you where it is. Clever Spambot fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Hey Dungeonmans, found a secret warning when I entered a room, what do I do!? THERE'S NO SEARCH BUTTOOONN Edit: Found it by bumping into a wall, thanks : ) Pladdicus fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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Unormal posted:Ok, I'll post a fix for this in a few minutes.  Log Unlike last time there's no obvious smoking gun in the logs. E: also, I can't actually launch it from Steam! I get "Cannot start game: missing executable". I've just been running it from the command line until now and didn't notice. ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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ToxicFrog posted:
I get this same screen now in OS X when launching from Steam, nothing interesting in the log.
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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:I get this same screen now in OS X when launching from Steam, nothing interesting in the log. Ok, looks like I had no default scene selected, I'll post another one in a few...
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sob, first dungeonmans death, level 6 
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ToxicFrog posted:
Ok blue screen should be fixed. What platform are you on? OSX or Linux? 32 or 64 bit?
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Unormal posted:Ok blue screen should be fixed. What platform are you on? OSX or Linux? 32 or 64 bit? OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, amd64. I'm running CoQ.86_64 from the command line because Steam defaults to 32-bit and doesn't let you choose the 64-bit version. Blue screen is indeed fixed, let's try rolling a character! E: it's alive! E: OH GOD WHAT IS HAPPENING  E: Ok, there seems to an issue where killed enemies don't always change into %, but instead continue to look like their normal letter until you step on them. I can't seem to reliably repro, though. ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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ToxicFrog posted:OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, amd64. I'm running CoQ.86_64 from the command line because Steam defaults to 32-bit and doesn't let you choose the 64-bit version. IT LIVES  E: yeah I've got a bug somewhere where individual tiles arent updating their render state correctly. Broke something optimizing it. Basic coq was just rerendering everything every frame from scratch. Unormal fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Dec 14, 2014 |
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I hereby make a binding resolution to buy one (1) copy of the game whenever it comes to the God-approved platform of Steam. P.S.: I'd buy more but it seems like my friends aren't hardcore enough
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Unormal posted:FYI, Sproggiwood's on sale for $9.99 on Humble for 24 hours: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/p/sproggiwood_storefront I almost took, but I'm PC only. Q_Q
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as a paid CoQ registered supporter i would like a key for mac playtesting. please?
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Something has gone horribly wrong with CoQ. I rolled a new character, and set about exploring Joppa. Then I accidentally hit a key and ended up in a "waiting..." state -- I think it must have been ".", wait 20. I hit Esc to check the keybindings and ended up in a situation where I had the escape menu showing over the keybinds screen with no way of getting back into the game -- pressing escape again did nothing. So I opted to save and quit. I immediately loaded my game and now I'm 1N2E of Joppa, on the world map, with a message log indicating that I've been eating food cubes (and am "bloated and quenched"). I tried leaving the world map and it said "building zone..." and then hung, except that I can still use escape. I saved and quit again and saved the save file and logs. I then loaded the game again and it appeared to hang, but after pressing spacebar again it dropped me into some wilderness area. It doesn't respond to any input except escape, though. I'm not sure if it's genuinely not responding to input, or if it's just not redrawing the screen properly. E: after a bit of experimentation it looks like it is still working, it's just not updating the screen. Presumably if I flailing around long enough I could get it to kill me. E2: also the save file is 75MB but compresses down to 5MB using bzip2, you might want to at least add an option for compressed save games -- at that size the amount of time it takes to save/load is probably dominated by disk IO E3: typo: using deploy turret says "you have no misslie weapons to deploy" ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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ASCII isn't about being hardcore, it's about having an imagination. 
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Kanfy posted:ASCII isn't about being hardcore, it's about having an imagination. I always thought it was about saving money on art assets 
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Arnold of Soissons posted:I always thought it was about saving money on art assets That's because it is.
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Arnold of Soissons posted:I always thought it was about saving money on art assets Originally it was about saving resources, period, because Rogue ran on computers that were slightly more powerful than an abacus, but now it's a tradition. The fact that it lets you have a bazillion different things in your game without actually having to draw any of them is a very pleasant bonus though.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Originally it was about saving resources, period, because Rogue ran on computers that were slightly more powerful than an abacus, but now it's a tradition. The fact that it lets you have a bazillion different things in your game without actually having to draw any of them is a very pleasant bonus though. Well no, that wasn't about saving resources. Rogue was built for systems that did not have arbitrary graphics support and required access over text terminals. Even if they'd wanted to do it tiled up, it couldn't work at all. Same deal went with most of the early roguelikes, even when they were solely programmed for computers that could have graphics capability, it'd often mean having to work with effectively much less screen if you went to a graphics mode and half your potential users couldn't access it anyway.
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Creativity borne of system limitations is my favorite kind.
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I had a promising four-armed carapace melee monster going -- "promising" here means "survived half of the first level of Red Hills" -- but now it hangs every time I try to load the game. save file and log. Unormal, would you rather have further bug reports here or via email? Or do you have a bugtracker I can use? Also, suggestion: if the game gets some sort of uncaught exception, it should exit with an error message rather than logging the exception and then hanging.
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ToxicFrog posted:I saved and quit again and saved the save file and logs. I then loaded the game again and it appeared to hang, but after pressing spacebar again it dropped me into some wilderness area. It doesn't respond to any input except escape, though. Thanks the feedback is perfect, and all the save files are super helpful. We don't have a public bug tracker, but feel free to do as your doing, or e-mail me at unormal@gmail.com or tweet me. I'm pretty ambivalent, I usually just enter it instantly into a bug tracker anyway. I'll take a shot at these bugs tonight after work. I'll address a couple specific points: quote:I'm not sure if it's genuinely not responding to input, or if it's just not redrawing the screen properly. I fixed a few bugs last night dealing with screen refresh. quote:E2: also the save file is 75MB but compresses down to 5MB using bzip2, you might want to at least add an option for compressed save games -- at that size the amount of time it takes to save/load is probably dominated by disk IO quote:Also, suggestion: if the game gets some sort of uncaught exception, it should exit with an error message rather than logging the exception and then hanging.
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Unormal posted:Thanks the feedback is perfect, and all the save files are super helpful. We don't have a public bug tracker, but feel free to do as your doing, or e-mail me at unormal@gmail.com or tweet me. I'm pretty ambivalent, I usually just enter it instantly into a bug tracker anyway. I'll take a shot at these bugs tonight after work. Well, even more feedback: a bunch of the keys referred to in the help, like F to fire ranged weapons, K for tinkering, or P for powers are not bound by defaut; you can bind them but those bindings only take effect for the current save. There should be a way to bind keys for all saves, and keys referred to in the help should be bound by default. (Future work: have the help screen reflect the current key bindings.) E: and the keybindings screen has no way of unbinding a key ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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Hey Unormal, did you see the .NET core announcement? http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/12/04/introducing-net-core.aspx I haven't looked at the internals, but it is a subset of the current .NET framework that was open sourced and also works in OSX and Linux. Depending on what functions you use, it may be easier than porting to unity.
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Treads posted:Hey Unormal, did you see the .NET core announcement? Yeah, pretty awesome. I wish Unity would move to that instead of Mono. (or at least upgrade Mono, the version they use is ancient and terrible.) Unity will actually do a lot of the heavy lifting when I start trying to move to tiles, add sounds/music, etc, so the move to Unity isn't just about cross-platform support. I've already got a substantial amount of Unity 2D management code written for Sproggiwood that I'm actually using to do the console, and can use even more extensively when I start mucking around with tile support.
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What are some good rogues to put on a Kindle Fire?
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Another key-related bug: trading appears to be impossible. + and - do nothing (neither the ones on the main keyboard nor the ones on the number pad). o says "trade completed!", but with no way to add items to the trade that doesn't help much. "?" doesn't do anything, or sometimes moves the cursor up and down.
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Stelas posted:What are some good rogues to put on a Kindle Fire? That runs Android, right? I would suggest Hoplite and Pixel Dungeon.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:That runs Android, right? I would suggest Hoplite and Pixel Dungeon. I thought it did, but the Google Store tells me to piss off when I go there, so I'm not actually sure.
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Stelas posted:I thought it did, but the Google Store tells me to piss off when I go there, so I'm not actually sure. It runs a custom fork of Android. You might* be able to sideload APKs onto it but I don't think it'll talk to the Google Play Store, just to Amazon's storefront. * Amazon has a hard-on for DRM on those things, so I would expect some hoop-jumping
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HyperRogue does some pretty interesting things with the form -- like Hoplite, it's atypical, highly focused on movement/positioning. New 'floors' (areas of a hyperbolic plane, with movement on a polygonal grid of mixed hex- and heptagons) are unlocked by picking up treasure from your current 'floor' -- which also increases the number of enemies hunting you. Clever bit of design -- check it out if that sounds like your sort of thing.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:That runs Android, right? I would suggest Hoplite and Pixel Dungeon. Apparently there is a fork called "Shattered Pixel Dungeon" which is free and has more detailed descriptions and tooltips. It's supposed to be a better overall project.
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ToxicFrog posted:It runs a custom fork of Android. You might* be able to sideload APKs onto it but I don't think it'll talk to the Google Play Store, just to Amazon's storefront. When I got mine the only hoop was clicking "yes side load pls" in the options, but I don't know anything about the current models
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The mysterious deaths in CoQ continue. Descended to Red Hills 3, got swarmed, retreated back up the stairs, pressed rest-until-healed, "the salthopper hits! You die..." Is this another incidence of the tiles not refreshing bug, and the salthopper actually followed me up the stairs?
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ToxicFrog posted:The mysterious deaths in CoQ continue. Descended to Red Hills 3, got swarmed, retreated back up the stairs, pressed rest-until-healed, "the salthopper hits! You die..." Yeah, monsters can actually path up stairs if they're close enough to make it to you before the zone goes into hibernation. So if you've got something one tile away when you move up, it can actually move underneath you and attack up from below you (weirdly, perhaps, you can attack up and down) the next turn if you don't move off the stairs. So that sounds like at least roughly "working-as-intended".
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Stelas posted:What are some good rogues to put on a Kindle Fire? There's a build of DCSS you can sideload.
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Ran into a demo for an interesting little roguelite named Bear Hero Sample gif: 
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Unormal posted:Yeah, monsters can actually path up stairs if they're close enough to make it to you before the zone goes into hibernation. So if you've got something one tile away when you move up, it can actually move underneath you and attack up from below you (weirdly, perhaps, you can attack up and down) the next turn if you don't move off the stairs. So that sounds like at least roughly "working-as-intended". That's almost certainly what happened, then. Some kind of visual indicator that there's an enemy above/below you on the stairs would be nice. I also tried to repro the trading keybinds issue with another character and it works now (albeit only with the numpad keys), so either I was really out of it and using the wrong buttons last time I tried or it's intermittent.
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