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sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)


Dozerfleet just is really unsettling to me, no matter how obviously deranged and powerless the dude is.

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Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


e X posted:

You know, with some of the stuff you can at least guess where it comes from and how he came up with it, but how the hell did he come up with the Sadeans? The rest is just some really dumb bastardization of history, but all that Marquis de Sade stuff comes completely out of the left field, even for him.

See, homosexuality makes you do weird things like have sex with consenting adults, and as soon as you do that, you're wearing a half-fursuit-half-bondage outfit begging to be pissed on so someone can poz your neg rear end.

Considering this is something some ultra-conservatives thought, it's no surprise that Dozerfleet thinks the same.

He is the worst thing, at everything.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012



e X posted:

You know, with some of the stuff you can at least guess where it comes from and how he came up with it, but how the hell did he come up with the Sadeans? The rest is just some really dumb bastardization of history, but all that Marquis de Sade stuff comes completely out of the left field, even for him.

This is the crazy poo poo that ultra-right ultra-Christian echo chambers put forth as truth. Ray Comfort's banana is not an isolated incident.

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!


Razorwired posted:

From what I hear the entire Dresden Files series started because Butcher took a bet from his Creative Writing prof. Butcher claimed that he could write the most formulaic, predictable fantasy drek he could think of and sell it.

Butcher's stuff is all about stupid bets. He made a bet with someone that he could write a story out of any two concepts they named, so they said "Pokemon" and "Lost Roman legion".

There are now six books of the Codex Alera series.

atomicgeek
Jul 5, 2007

noony noony noony noooo


Fun Shoe

Fuego Fish posted:

Butcher's stuff is all about stupid bets. He made a bet with someone that he could write a story out of any two concepts they named, so they said "Pokemon" and "Lost Roman legion".

There are now six books of the Codex Alera series.

At various points he's both said that, and that a straight-up high fantasy like Codex Alera was what he wanted to write from the beginning, but his writing teacher doubted it either meshed with his own tastes or would sell. She told Butcher that he should go for the urban fantasy market instead, which he said he initially resisted pretty hard because he hated the sorts of rote writing exercises she put the class through. I believe he said he wrote it in a fit of pique and then bet the teacher it wouldn't sell.

Ahaha, yes, I knew I wasn't just making all that up--here is one of many interviews where he brings all that up. He does come off pretty goony but I have to say the main takeaway for me is the part where she actually pushed him to improve his writing and once he went along, it worked (sort of). I mean, I don't see Tropers publishing even brain candy paperback fiction.

edit:

interviewer posted:

But next for Butcher: steampunk.
I take it all back. All of it.

atomicgeek fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Nov 14, 2013

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies



Pictured: Jim 'SmugBrow' Butcher.


Though in his defense, he looks much less Goontastic these days.

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*


cptn_dr posted:

Pictured: Jim 'SmugBrow' Butcher.


Though in his defense, he looks much less Goontastic these days.

Nice dog/sword combo

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013




This is one of the things they put under Nightmare Fuel for Modern Warfare (it's on the YMMV page, though; no whole page devoted to it, which I'm not sure is good or bad):

quote:

After all the Tranquil Fury and general badassery by Price, in both games, General Shepherd hands him his rear end in a fist fight. Seeing someone like that receive a No Holds Barred Beat Down is SCARY.

Oh no mommy the ULTRA MEGA SUPER AWESOME BADASS Captain Price got beat up now what do I do

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013


Lottery of Babylon posted:

It's me, I am the real bully.


The real bully was Mr Green in the study with the lead pipe.

Why isn't this written in passive third person? He actually uses I.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'



Darth TNT posted:

Why isn't this written in passive third person? He actually uses I.

Proof that the Crooked Rainbow isn’t just a thing in Stationery Voyagers

By now, those familiar with Stationery Voyagers have probably noted season 3 features the Crooked Rainbow. They’re not all the world’s gay population, as made clear. They’re the organizations of radicals that influence Antian (US) social policy, and will stop at nothing to silence their opposition or beat it into dust.

They were known as the Pink Panthers in the 70’s, a gay counterpart to the Black Panthers that ravaged streets and killed innocent passersby with reckless abandon. The Pink ones merely looked for anyone they suspected to be picking on one of their own living in San Fran, and visited disproportionate retribution. They had led themselves to believe that their lifestyle choices made them undesirable to law enforcement. And since the law supposedly didn’t care what was done to them, they reasoned the law shouldn’t care what they actually did to anyone else.

The very minute that the Voyagers refuse to endorse gay politics, they are immediately targeted for EXTINCTION by the Crooked Rainbow. No second chances, no agree-to-disagree let’s-talk-this-over. No. Death. Assassination. Kidnapping. Torture. For what? For refusing to give wholesale endorsement, since that was not their job. Did the Voyagers spend money they didn’t have helping the opposite side, such as a Focus on the Family counterpart? No. They did their jobs; and remained spiritually faithful to the inerrancy of Scripture while remaining financially neutral on the issue.

In other words, they did their jobs. They were sent to be diplomats and explorers; and to not let anything distract them from their assignments. And to the best ability they could, they clung to their assignments. And for it, the Gay Mafia wanted them DEAD!

Now, does this sound a bit extreme? Are you probably looking at this story and thinking: “No LGBT group is ever THAT vindictive!”?

Well, my friends, I wish that were true. For such extremists do exist. They’re not just the stuff of my mythology.

Take this article from World Magazine.

If you’re not a subscriber, I’ll summarize:

1. A random Chick-Fil-A restaurant owner decided one day to donate some free chicken to a marriage seminar function in Pennsylvania.
2. The marriage seminar had absolutely no discussion of gay politics whatsoever. It was simply a seminar to help dysfunctional married couples learn how to get along with each other better.
3. Someone from some LGBT group discovered that someone helping host the function just so happened to also be a member of some other group that just so happened to be very critical of gay politics in Pennsylvania. The host did not speak on the matter of LGBT at the seminar at all.
4. LGBT groups as far away as Arkansas spread the word: Chick-Fil-A MUST DIE!

Chick-Fil-A as a whole has stated numerous times that it is NOT an explicitly Christian organization. In fact, it is a corporation that wants to be left alone and wishes to take a very Swiss-style attitude of neutrality on gay politics.

I, personally, commend them. A restaurant should be concerned with serving quality food to its customers; and leave the culture war for someone else to fight.

Especially telling is that these LGBTQIA groups refused to answer World Magazine staff on whether they would similarly target restaurant chains that donated to similar functions; even if those functions were hosted by Muslims, Mormons, or traditional Jews. All these groups are equally critical of gay politics if not more strongly so.

It’s interesting that even as much of the Middle East went to the brink of revolution, Obama talked about school bullies. Yet, he failed to address acts of bullying committed by groups like the LGBTQIA of University of Missouri-Arkansas against socially-neutral restaurant chains like Chick-Fil-A.

And I know this is entering Godwin’s Law territory; but think of what happened in 1939 when nobody honored Poland’s wishes to be left alone. The neutral parties need to be protected from bullies. Or else, there will be no such thing as neutrality in the future.

Yes, we all know how the X-Men metaphor has been used and abused over and over again. That the “unusual” get bullied. Well, what if they’re not so unusual anymore? And even the X-Men had to deal with the Brotherhood. And what did the Brotherhood do? Harass humanity, and make the mutant-haters feel justified.

So where are the Q-Men to save the day? I can’t find them. But what we do have here is a Brotherhood of LGBT organizations that bully restaurant chains for refusing to give wholesale endorsement of LGBT causes. And threatening to turn said chains into social pariahs if they don’t comply. Both verbally and monetarily.

That’s Extortion 101. Hence, the Gay Mafia.

That U of Miss-AK LGBTQIA is willing to go to these extremes and possibly more is all the evidence I need to declare that the Crooked Rainbow is, in fact, very much a real entity. We can all breathe a sigh of relief that the Drismabons remain, for all current awareness, an exclusive entity of the SV universe.

Oh, the real Crooked Rainbow may be smart enough not to decide on-the-spot to charge full-steam-ahead after an angel in an effort to gang rape him, in spite that angel having already demonstrated that he can massacre them with only a thought and a hand gesture. But marching towards stupid death aside, the real organization is just as vindictive as the one I’ve committed to kilobytes in my season planner.

What’s really odd about it is that in the absence of space aliens opting to be neutral while doing their jobs, a restaurant chain ends up fulfilling the role. As an author, I can honestly say that I did not see that coming. It wouldn’t be the first time someone has told me that my crystal ball needs some fine tuning.

Update: This all looks silly in hindsight, after the Chick-Fil-A scenario in 2012 when everything got blown way out of proportion. The Crookeds simply cannot be civil when Marxists infiltrate their ranks.

---

Oh and in answer to your question it's because these are from his Tumblr instead of his Wikia.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously





Gen. Ripper posted:

This is one of the things they put under Nightmare Fuel for Modern Warfare (it's on the YMMV page, though; no whole page devoted to it, which I'm not sure is good or bad):


Oh no mommy the ULTRA MEGA SUPER AWESOME BADASS Captain Price got beat up now what do I do

So uh, I didn't see anything under there about controlling someone that is dying of radiation poisoning. I mean, I could actually give them that since it's a pretty rough moment.


EDIT: I mean it's not scary but it's still a pretty powerful and rather messed up moment.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

Cat Army


Are... are we meant to side with focus on the family here?

Because gently caress I'd join a Crooked Rainbow organization in a heartbeat.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!


I'd also like to point out that when looking for a militaristic organization to compare the [i]evil gays[/i to, he picked the Black Panthers -- and expects us to hate them more because of it. That says a lot about what he thinks of African-Americans as much as it says about his homophobia.

made of bees
May 21, 2013


You haven't heard about how Obama won because of the Black Panthers intimidating white voters? The Panthers are still a conservative boogeyman.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012



Keromaru5 posted:

Yyyeah, the 90's. Just last night I was reminiscing with some people on another board about when we bowed out of X-Men. For me, it started when they wrecked Excalibur by getting rid of Phoenix and replacing her with... well..



The 90's, everybody. Because Captain Britain wasn't extreme enough.

I love Britanick!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhrz1-4hN4

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007


cptn_dr posted:

Pictured: Jim 'SmugBrow' Butcher.


Though in his defense, he looks much less Goontastic these days.

I've heard he finally cut off his lion's mane, and is dressing better (at least in his book-jacket photos); would you say that's accurate?

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Nucleic Acids posted:

I've heard he finally cut off his lion's mane, and is dressing better (at least in his book-jacket photos); would you say that's accurate?

I think he looks like a skinnier version of Kevin Smith now.

Laocius
Jul 6, 2013



made of bees posted:

You haven't heard about how Obama won because of the Black Panthers intimidating white voters? The Panthers are still a conservative boogeyman.

The New Black Panther Party were the ones accused of voter intimidation. The surviving Black Panthers have actually condemned them as a hate group (I think they even tried to sue them for using their name). The Dozerfleet guy was talking about the original Panthers.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012



Nucleic Acids posted:

I've heard he finally cut off his lion's mane, and is dressing better (at least in his book-jacket photos); would you say that's accurate?

He still looks like a nerdlord, just a better-groomed nerdlord.

Fantasy authors on the whole are not a stylish bunch.

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.

Yeah Butcher is looking much less goony these days with short hair but he still wears ill fitting pants and t-shirts with stupid "clever" sayings/jokes on them.

Saint Drogo
Dec 26, 2011



AlbieQuirky posted:

He still looks like a nerdlord, just a better-groomed nerdlord.

Fantasy authors on the whole are not a stylish bunch.
Actual Writers can look as goony as they bloody well please (nothin' beats GRRM's shiny purple waistcoats and weird leather hats, though). It's one of the many perks of actually doing things instead of just deciding you're a Brilliant But Lazy tender misanthrope.

JackMackerel
Jun 15, 2011


Saint Drogo posted:

Actual Writers can look as goony as they bloody well please (nothin' beats GRRM's shiny purple waistcoats and weird leather hats, though). It's one of the many perks of actually doing things instead of just deciding you're a Brilliant But Lazy tender misanthrope.

(insert "GRRM actually doing things?!" joke here)

Yet ANOTHER fork from TVT! Now with using the word "hugbox" in their explanation for splitting from TV Tropes! If the Drunkard's Walk fanfic page being a "top article" says anything, something tells me this is by that Looney Tunes guy who used to be Eddie's friend or some other until he wanted to delete his fanfic.

This vaguely reminds me, around the time SA noticed TVT and people wanted to get Troper Tales off it, someone proposed (and might have test-launched) a more academic version that was better organized by name/media based on personal preferences. Pretty sure it was just a design document with the main feature being "people don't have to complain about having to look at anime because we have a nifty feature that allows you to use categories!".

JackMackerel fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Nov 15, 2013

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012



JackMackerel posted:

Yet ANOTHER fork from TVT! Now with using the word "hugbox" in their explanation for splitting from TV Tropes! If the Drunkard's Walk fanfic page being a "top article" says anything, something tells me this is by that Looney Tunes guy who used to be Eddie's friend or some other until he wanted to delete his fanfic.

Hmm, a TVTropes fork might be worthwhile if they get the fundamental problem with the site as it is (trying to make everything a trope), let's take a look-

quote:

TVT does not allow certain articles and topics to be discussed, because of censorship policies ostensibly imposed by their advertisement sponsors.

Oh. Ohhhhh.

quote:

While we're a lot more informal than a scientific paper, we believe that there is value to be had in looking at the tropes in famous works like Deep Throat, La Blue Girl, and Lolita (yes, even that was briefly banned). These works may be popular with some, but they address an important part of the human condition.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012



Saint Drogo posted:

Actual Writers can look as goony as they bloody well please (nothin' beats GRRM's shiny purple waistcoats and weird leather hats, though). It's one of the many perks of actually doing things instead of just deciding you're a Brilliant But Lazy tender misanthrope.

You say this because you have never worked in publishing. People dread having to deal with fantasy writers. Also romance writers, but for different reasons.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004



Fun Shoe

Just look at how many of the examples on this page already have articles devoted to them!

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?



Oven Wrangler

I found an article on that wiki about censorship and it mentioned the "P5" of TV Tropes. Anyone care to enlighten me?

PublicOpinion
Oct 20, 2010

Her style is new but the face is the same as it was so long ago...


MrAristocrates posted:

I found an article on that wiki about censorship and it mentioned the "P5" of TV Tropes. Anyone care to enlighten me?

I forget exactly what it stands for, but the move for getting rid of pedophilia and pornography had a name that acronymed out to PPPPP.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat




PublicOpinion posted:

I forget exactly what it stands for, but the move for getting rid of pedophilia and pornography had a name that acronymed out to PPPPP.
It's not even that. It was (is?) a council of five mods tasked with determining whether Hentai Visual Novel X had a sufficient ratio of plot development to pornography to warrant keeping its page. Phrased that way because everything came through a queue of submissions on the forum, each of which had to be individually evaluated. This was a quick, efficient process.

Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 15, 2013

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


The P5 were moderators and users who would judge whether an article could be deemed "pedoshit". Within about a week, two of the mods quit after realizing it was hopeless.

made of bees
May 21, 2013


Wasn't at least one of them banned for having an account on SA?

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'



made of bees posted:

Wasn't at least one of them banned for having an account on SA?

Triple Elation, yeah. I think a second one jumped ship too. A third was a Sonic-obsessed furry, so of course he was kept on forever as a clear judge of what is and isn't appropriate.

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*


Martello jumped to SA and he's still here.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously





DStecks posted:

Hmm, a TVTropes fork might be worthwhile if they get the fundamental problem with the site as it is (trying to make everything a trope), let's take a look-


Oh. Ohhhhh.


Yes, La Blue Girl and Deep Throat are famous works on the same level as Lolita.

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*


Testekill posted:

Yes, La Blue Girl and Deep Throat are famous works on the same level as Lolita.

I don't know what kind of English classes you took in high school, but La Blue Girl and Urotsukidōji were required watching

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!


Hey quick everyone name a random quirk of your world-building! Make sure it makes you seem really drat clever, ok, because it's important to seem smart and trope-savvy on the internet.

quote:

In Fortress Celestia I am tring to find a reasonable way to allow Fantasy Gun Control to be enforced inconsistantly. At least some cities will have flush toilets and subways, and a few military bases will be protected by gunpowder weapons, but in most areas gunpowder weapons just fizzle and jam, so ordinary soldiers must rely on swords and bows.

quote:

Imagine a wild west world where lead, or more accurately lead bullets, are illegal. Why? Because there is a safer option: Mercyium. A metal which has the odd property of going though air and other inaminate perfectly normaly, but cannot penertrate biological material very well, due to a bizzare chemical reaction.

quote:

In my Dieselpunk-ish world there are no Funny Animal cartoon. Instead, all famous cartoon characters are either human caricatures based on Vaudeville (and indirectly, Commedia Dell'Arte) or anthropomorphic objects.

quote:

Most things in the Zaran il Legio world, from internal heating to flying ships, runs on a phlebotinum called soul stones. Soul stones are made from crystallized soulstuff. The ethical implications of using someones life-essence to power your car is not really explored.

quote:

Africa + Space Opera + Military Science Fiction + Cyberpunk + Biopunk + Cosmic Horror + After The End + Before The End.

quote:

Superpowered characters generally perform the same job as the Scary Black Man.



Superpowered characters generally perform the same job as the Scary Black Man.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously





Smoking Crow posted:

I don't know what kind of English classes you took in high school, but La Blue Girl and Urotsukidōji were required watching

I did English Lit so it was just Animorphs and the Hooker Verse for me.


EDIT: I actually legit got to study American History X in English Lit which was pretty frigging awesome.

Well Manicured Man
Aug 21, 2010

Well Manicured Mort

crowfeathers posted:

Hey quick everyone name a random quirk of your world-building! Make sure it makes you seem really drat clever, ok, because it's important to seem smart and trope-savvy on the internet.

quote:

Most things in the Zaran il Legio world, from internal heating to flying ships, runs on a phlebotinum called soul stones. Soul stones are made from crystallized soulstuff. The ethical implications of using someones life-essence to power your car is not really explored.

Why are you trying so hard to be boring?

WickedHate
Jul 31, 2013

by Lowtax


Mercyium? Are you kidding? That's like calling the stuff Captain America's shield is made out of "stronganite".

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix? We just don't know.



Buglord

Well Manicured Man posted:


Why are you trying so hard to be boring?

It can't be boring, it has at least 4 tropes in the description!

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Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


crowfeathers posted:

Hey quick everyone name a random quirk of your world-building! Make sure it makes you seem really drat clever, ok, because it's important to seem smart and trope-savvy on the internet.

quote:

Most things in the Zaran il Legio world, from internal heating to flying ships, runs on a phlebotinum called soul stones. Soul stones are made from crystallized soulstuff. The ethical implications of using someones life-essence to power your car is not really explored.
So it's Elder Scrolls soulgems, without the vaguely interesting bits of Elder Scrolls soulgems.

quote:

Africa + Space Opera + Military Science Fiction + Cyberpunk + Biopunk + Cosmic Horror + After The End + Before The End.
Right-wing Mass Effect with black people, simultaneously before and after an apocalypse. No way this could go wrong.

TVTropes Pleads the Fifth: Superpowered characters generally perform the same job as the Scary Black Man


Testekill posted:

I did English Lit so it was just Animorphs and the Hooker Verse for me.

I took a class in Literature of the Dark Ages so it was mostly Spawn, Punisher and Judge Dredd.

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