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my dad posted:This is one of the things that annoy me the most about this thread. Do you just assume that everyone who posts on an English-speaking website needs to know and understand English literature? English is the language of the Internet (along with Russian, to a lesser degree) and a lot of people are forced to learn it in order to communicate in an international community. TvTropes are full of people to whom English is a foreign language. "Litereature" and "English" are often used interchangeably in American academics. Courses on things like One Hundred Years Of Solitude or Things Fall Apart or The Tale Of Genji would fall under the English department. And sure Book Barn is full of threads on popular books and not necessarily more literary things (I assume, I've never been there). But the thing is that we don't try to pass it off as an academic resource. And seriously? How do you expect people to know that you didn't read a book but went through the trouble of googling the slang from it?
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Install Windows posted:Well the original versions of Red Riding Hood written down were much more graphic in the violence, but it did not include rape. Though to be fair, one of the earliest versions has the wolf ordering her to take off her clothes one item at a time before getting into the bed with him. And in that same one, after the wolf tricks the girl into eating her grandmother's flesh, the cat calls her a slut. I would say that Little Red Riding Hood would be the one fairy tale where rape really isn't that odd of a reading of it.
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Mar 31, 2014 22:28
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:I remember Neil Gaiman talking about that version once: "Throw your clothes onto the fireplace, you won't be needing them any longer," or something like that. Which is true, because she'd be dead. It's not just "throw your clothes onto the fireplace" though, almost half of the story is him having her strip off her clothes one item at a time. And again, there's also the issue of Red's cat calling her a slut for going along with the wolf's orders. It's not "low-hanging fruit" to read the symbolism that the Big Bad Wolf might represent a sexual predator, fairy tales aren't exactly meant to be particularly deep and challenging.
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Apr 1, 2014 08:12
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The Sin of Onan posted:If on a winter's night a traveller, by Italo Calvino, is the only novel-length second-person narrative I can think of. In its case, the "you" is you, the reader, trying to read Italo Calvino's new novel, If on a winter's night a traveller. It's a very well respected book, and one that probably no troper has ever read. A Prayer For The Dying by Stewart O'Nan is another second-person novel. Of course it has a lot of similarities to The Plague, so we can just assume that tropers will dismiss it as True Art Is Incomprehensible anyhow.
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Apr 4, 2014 11:05
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LaughMyselfTo posted:Harry's solution to this ethical predicament is, of course, to claim that he intends to marry her and wants her to be a virgin at the time, because that's another thing twelve-year-old boys do. Of course, because they're all sensible, rational actors 
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Apr 5, 2014 23:01
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Little Blackfly posted:Huh, well that's me proven wrong. I never saw any undergraduate classes in a single author like that, but then I never really looked. Yeah, at my school to get a BA in English you had to take a course on Shakespeare and one on either Milton or Chaucer. TVTropes would have been laughed out of any of them.
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Apr 30, 2014 02:49
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:TVTropes is something that fits more in an anime club at university than on a term paper (which would get funny looks from the professor at best) But it's totally an academic resource, you guys 
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Apr 30, 2014 06:45
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Bargearse posted:Is she the one who was obsessed with Green Day and used to poo poo up any thread about science or space exploration? No that was The Snoo, I think.
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May 11, 2014 10:07
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Gonna go for some low-hanging fruit here: Yeah the Vagina Monologues bit there really is kind of horrible. The original version included the phrase "if it was rape, it was good rape." It's pretty understandable why that one usually gets cut.
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May 29, 2014 00:46
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Testekill posted:I take it back, that is the worst thing that I've read today. How are these people so fundamentally broken that they can type something like that without a full body cringe coming on? Well, they're right within the context of the monologue. It actually is treated as being a totally good thing and not at all horrible. The text actually describes it as "a good rape." Of course, that is in and of itself supremely hosed up, but it's not the Tropers' fault this time.
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May 29, 2014 01:10
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Quinctia posted:Eh, I think it's a nuance that a lot of bad writers don't understand. In a well written conversation, you don't actually need to attribute dialogue every other line. He said/she said/he said/she said, etc. The answer isn't to replace the attribution with said/queried/quipped/declared, it's to write more smoothly so you're not ending every sentance of dialogue with "pronoun-speaking verb." Yes, but some of us (self included, circa 2000) were taught in school to never ever under any circumstances use the word "said" more than maybe once a page but even then you still shouldn't really do it and here's a list of synonyms to use instead.
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Jun 14, 2014 20:42
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ArchangeI posted:Was ejaculated on that list? Because I love that synonym whenever I read it in a Sherlock Holmes story or something Wells wrote. Also I am mentally 12. I believe it was, yes.
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Jun 14, 2014 21:42
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Level Slide posted:Tvtropes strikes me as the type of place that would be all over that "only 90's kids" crap. The best one of these I ever saw was someone unironically posting that 90's kids were the first generation to have videogames and theme parks.
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Jun 20, 2014 06:54
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Keromaru5 posted:Also, not to get all Troper myself, but why is Henry Selick god of stop-motion instead of Ray Harryhausen? I liked Coraline, too, but still! Probably because he also directed The Nightmare Before Christmas which weirdos from all walks of life seem to fixate on.
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Jul 9, 2014 09:27
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sweeperbravo posted:Honestly there's a lot of insular weird BS here that's just as stupid as at TVTropes so it's dumb to pretend we're any better. It's like the difference between furries and furries with a diaper fetish. And yet, unlike TV Tropes, we ban pedophiles, rather than allowing them to create Boobchart.jpg; it's not that we're on a mountain, it's that they're down in the sewer. edit: 
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Jul 31, 2014 03:06
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sweeperbravo posted:No like I get that and all, but like, that's something that should be a given, not a point of pride, you know Yes. Exactly. I don't think anyone here is trying to say that this is such a great site, just that TVTropes is absolutely horrible. Which is why we're making fun of it.
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Jul 31, 2014 06:05
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, but I'd say that's pretty much the upper cap. Notice how they switched from fanfic to sort-of-kind-of original fic as soon as they had the skills to do so. But then you've also got things like Wicked, which may not be amazing but it's a drat sight better than 50 Shades.
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Aug 12, 2014 11:13
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Burkion posted:So how many of those are idiot teenagers who were forced to read the book in highschool and rebelled against it to be edgy and cool? Depressingly few of them. If I recall correctly the average troper is well past being a teenager.
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Lovecraft was born in 1890 to parents who were alive during the time of slavery. The Birth of a Nation was the world's first real blockbuster film, released just two years before Lovecraft's writing career began. The KKK was a significant political force throughout most of his life. Yes, Lovecraft was racist as all hell, but it becomes much more understandable when we put it in these contexts. Also racist as hell but usually given a pass: F. Scott Fitzgerald, who in his final finished novel refers to a dead black man as "friend of the family scrap."
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