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Invalid Validation posted:They changed it cause they don't want to be associated with DOTA for some dumb reason. It's just a buzzword, they loving love buzzwords. ... Sounds completely reasonable... So when are they going to change the name lane, jungle, items, ward and ultimate?
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SarutosZero posted:Is there an official term they call melee carries? Yismen? Manstabber.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:20
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Bholder posted:... All of those convey some level of meaning to a person approaching the term where ADC does not because it is letters.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:23
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Anatharon posted:Manstabber. Swordbros.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:26
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Bholder posted:... Lane = Fight Road. Jungle = Spooky Area. Items = Party Favors. Ultimate = Cool Mega Move. They don't need to rename wards because nobody knows what they are to begin with.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:27
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vulgey posted:I've already switched up my game when playing Jinx to just motor down towers while the bruisers and fat supports have a cripple fight in mid lane. If I don't get 5 towers down it's a bad game. I had one game last night where I got off to a bad start on Caitlyn due to minor mistakes snowballing, but I came back and while my team was death-matching mid lane for 3+ minutes I cranked every structure in the bot lane including the inhibitor by myself with no interaction from the enemy team. It sounds like we are playing the same game.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:28
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Mackers posted:Anyone got tips for jungle Eve, build and strategy-wise? I've been doing the fancy pro start: Blue Pot + 5 Health Pots + 1 Mana Pot and then rushing Spirit of the Elder Lizard and getting Mobi Boots and then building DFG and usually game is over by that point. For Runes/Masteries been using Diamond's wacky stuff with a 21/9 with some AD masteries and then AP quints/AD marks/Armor seals/AP glyphs Her ganks/counterganks are just super brutal with the absence of pinks, you can just sit in a lane with impunity and wait for the right moment. Though I've had games where I am wrecking face and all my lanes still manage to lose super hard and the game turns into a poo poo show. Not much you can do about that though. From what I can gleam, the current consensus on jungling in 3.14 is that you have to build damage. That combined with the lack of invisible pink wards makes Eve a really good pick.
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SarutosZero posted:Lane = Fight Road. Jungle = Spooky Area. Items = Party Favors. Ultimate = Cool Mega Move. They don't need to rename wards because nobody knows what they are to begin with. The crew I run with refers to the Jungle as the "Spooky Forest", but I am definitely renaming lane to "Fight Road" Also Wards = "That thing the support character buys I guess" Libertine posted:I had one game last night where I got off to a bad start on Caitlyn due to minor mistakes snowballing, but I came back and while my team was death-matching mid lane for 3+ minutes I cranked every structure in the bot lane including the inhibitor by myself with no interaction from the enemy team. It sounds like we are playing the same game. I dunno I've had the same experience pre and post patch as Sivir. Disorganized teams tend to be bad at stopping split pushes. I also wind up buying homeguards almost every game because of this reason. It's so good being able to press a fight when you see a split pusher, run back and stop the split push with minimal damage. Lib, since you were playing Cait, how do you feel about new botlane? I haven't played it a ton to get a feel for it, but I wonder if you feel if it's more snowbally or less snowbally due to new support power. I've felt for awhile that bot lane is overly prone to snowballing since you get huge power spikes at Vamp Scepter and BF Sword but I haven't tested the new bot lane dynamics that much. Dragongem fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 17:35
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Trigger warning: theoddone is an odd guy, but this video is loving hilarious given the support talk. "He's the support, of course he is going to solo the jungler!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eIp7BlmiWU
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Libertine posted:I had one game last night where I got off to a bad start on Caitlyn due to minor mistakes snowballing, but I came back and while my team was death-matching mid lane for 3+ minutes I cranked every structure in the bot lane including the inhibitor by myself with no interaction from the enemy team. It sounds like we are playing the same game. We are going to sit in front of this turret and each team is going to wave clear constantly but do nothing else. We will do this for approximately 5 minutes before one team gets bored and walks away. - Solo queue
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So thoughts regarding the trinkets, yellow and red are the only worthwhile ones right now so hopefully they change that. Yellow trinket really shouldn't be revealing how many wards someone has placed to the ENEMY TEAM when you mouse over it. Red needs a cooldown reduction at level 9 and the 475g version, should go from 3m to 2m to 1m, or 2m > 1:30 > 1m. Blue needs a massive overhaul, clairvoyance should just be removed from the game and the blue trinket should take over for it, it needs to be a much shorter cooldown and even shorter on the 9 and 475g versions and reveal the area longer then a measly 1 second, something closer to 4-6-8 seconds, before level 9 you should be able to use it to reveal a bush from a further distance then you can plop a friggen ward into it too.
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SarutosZero posted:Is there an official term they call melee carries? Yismen? usually they call them assassin or fighter, depending on what exactly they do
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silly posted:I've been doing the fancy pro start: Blue Pot + 5 Health Pots + 1 Mana Pot and then rushing Spirit of the Elder Lizard and getting Mobi Boots and then building DFG and usually game is over by that point.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:51
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vulgey posted:We are going to sit in front of this turret and each team is going to wave clear constantly but do nothing else. We will do this for approximately 5 minutes before one team gets bored and walks away. This happens so often and the worst thing is you have to join them otherwise they will flip their poo poo, yell at you to 'group up' for their worthless push and engage anyway and when they all die in the 4v5 they started will blame you.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Yellow trinket really shouldn't be revealing how many wards someone has placed to the ENEMY TEAM when you mouse over it.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:52
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Saith posted:^^^Is there some sacred edict blessing ranged autoattackers with the divine right to carry and no one else? One of the reasons they deleted the term from their lexicon and never really refer to it anymore was to get rid of that exact mentality, and I couldn't be happier for it.
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Mikujin posted:I think it was some Tonetta guy but he's kind of a scrub lord. Wow thems fightin words watch your back homie
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Nov 27, 2013 18:02
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SarutosZero posted:Supports get to have more fun now at no/little expense to any other role. Wouldn't they be doing what they're already doing, except with bigger numbers popping up?
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Killed By Death posted:May I ask why you still build Elder Lizard on Eve? Hate Spike doesn't proc the burn anymore, so it seems much worse for her. Yeah this is my feeling on it, I don't think Elder Lizard is good on her anymore
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Nov 27, 2013 18:24
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As a support main I love the fact that I'm not just a babysitter for the biggest brat on the team anymore. I love that 2v2 fights aren't automatically lost if my partner dies. I love that if I go to ward something, I'm not guaranteed to die if any other member of the enemy team shows up. Certain supports are making a huge impact right now, and frankly I think that's the idea. I think nerfing Annie and Taric would be a huge mistake because people will just transition to one of the other several dozen champs that can do the same poo poo, but people just aren't bothering to experiment right now. Either Riot will have to dumpster about half of the total champs in the game for the sake of preserving an outdated support meta, or they can buff like very small handful of champs that aren't cutting it right now. Bot lane compositions may go through a major change before it's all done. We may see lane swaps between the mid and one of the bot laners. I don't know. I'm not a pro player. But my biggest hope is that what's happening right now with the support role is exactly what Riot wanted, and that they will do everything they can to embrace and encourage it. Re: Eve, she has enough mana issues that I feel like Spectral Wraith is her best item. Career posted:Wouldn't they be doing what they're already doing, except with bigger numbers popping up? Or being able to use more active items. Or being able to survive more than a passing breeze in a teamfight or when they go to scout or ward or run to help another lane and get intercepted. Or being able to choose from a wider variety of champions and not be considered a troll pick (this one will take a little time methinks). Che Delilas fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 18:25
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Realtalk: the actual problems with the game right now involve the really piss ability to clear wards and everybody is hitting full builds before 40 minutes. I'm not asking for a full jungle clear on wards or anything, but something so simple as clearing out the wards around baron is impossible without 3+ pinks and 5 sweepers, and you can only guarantee one of each as any role. Make me spend 600g for a 2 minute oracles or something god drat. Also, how the hell are we supposed to deal with shaco now, throw a pink down anywhere we might walk?
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Nov 27, 2013 18:33
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Shaco and Eve are bad yeah, but Teemo is worse. Like it sucked before when even with Oracles you'd run into his mushrooms when you walked into a bush, but now you really can't walk anywhere in the jungle without stepping all over mushrooms
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Nov 27, 2013 18:36
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I had someone lock Teemo last night in a random normal game and didn't have any plan to go so I told him to go AP Marksman Teemo and I'd support him and I played Sona and he was cool with that and so was the team. 1) Sona is better than I thought she would be with the 3.14 changes. 2) AP Teemo bot lane is something I would be totally fine playing with in the future, strong trades and very cheap.
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What's the build for Support Taric right now that you guys are using? I just played my first 3.14 game (Korean server problems) and won but I felt a little bit confused. I went Targons + Ward + Pot, and then bought some pinks, ninja tabi, Randuin's, Locket, and GA for good measure.
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Nov 27, 2013 18:41
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You can still switch trinkets right? If you're up against a Teemo or Shaco, you could just grab the stealth-sight trinket. Hell with Teemo you could wait till he hits 6 and switch then (or when he's 5, since there's a cooldown after switching).
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Nov 27, 2013 18:41
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Hey guys, dragon and baron attack the closest visible target, correct? Is there something wrong with my cooked up hypothetical scenario where you drop a vision ward to tank 5 hits and let the ranged champions attack without retaliation? Ditto when taking the secondary buff on junglers, although exchanging 3 HP pots for a vision ward probably isn't very efficient and it would be difficult to position so the two little minions aren't also hitting it.
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Nov 27, 2013 18:41
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I might be crazy but I feel like Baron doesn't attack wards anymore, ever
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Baron doesn't attack wards ^^^^^DatonKallandor posted:You can still switch trinkets right? If you're up against a Teemo or Shaco, you could just grab the stealth-sight trinket. Hell with Teemo you could wait till he hits 6 and switch then (or when he's 5, since there's a cooldown after switching). Scanner is literally the only viable trinket after laning phase so do that anyways regardless of who is on the enemy team.
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Libertine posted:I had one game last night where I got off to a bad start on Caitlyn due to minor mistakes snowballing, but I came back and while my team was death-matching mid lane for 3+ minutes I cranked every structure in the bot lane including the inhibitor by myself with no interaction from the enemy team. It sounds like we are playing the same game. I can't explain why but cait feels even stronger than usual right now
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Nov 27, 2013 18:47
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Maybe a consumable that can be used whenever you want and decloaks all stealthed objects in an AOE for 4-6 seconds should be introduced. Hmmm....
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Sexpansion posted:I can't explain why but cait feels even stronger than usual right now I think it's because the game is a big gently caress fest right now and she's pretty much always the "safest" solo queue AD to play except maybe Ezreal. I would characterize my own play on her as "solidly mediocre" and I've tried to practice her when I can. She's a great tower crusher as well.
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Anatharon posted:So far I have to say I really dislike the season 4 changes. Partially because trinkets are kind of a dumb idea. Reduce ward availability -> Remove Oracle's to make wards survive longer ->Give most of the team free wards -> Give (most likely) the jungler the means to remove wards periodically (This making an early gank more possible) -> Wards are everywhere due to it's long cooldown -> We're back to where we started. Bot lane with gold is a good idea in theory but stupid in practice unless they buff the "scaling" utility. That would be cool. Janna's slow should be 100% with like 200 ap or something.
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DatonKallandor posted:You can still switch trinkets right? If you're up against a Teemo or Shaco, you could just grab the stealth-sight trinket. Hell with Teemo you could wait till he hits 6 and switch then (or when he's 5, since there's a cooldown after switching). Scanner only lasts long enough to kill one mushroom. Hope there's not more than that or hope you didn't need it to clear a ward for your jungler to gank.
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NIV3K posted:Scanner only lasts long enough to kill one mushroom. Hope you there's not more than that or hope you didn't need it to clear a ward for your jungles to gank. yeah this is the problem. I understand that Oracle's made the vision game snowball really hard but this alternative isn't much better
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I think I'm gonna play Eve or Teemo until something gets done about that. It seems like it's just a nightmare now.
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Kill_Discussion posted:Maybe a consumable that can be used whenever you want and decloaks all stealthed objects in an AOE for 4-6 seconds should be introduced. Maybe on a cooldown, area, or duration that renders it useful in any of the scenarios people just mentioned. Hmmm.... But yeah. Stealth in general was balanced (and I use that word loosely) around the vision and detection capabilities from previous seasons. Those capabilities changed drastically in season 4, but stealth did not. At least, not yet. I have to think this is on their list; I mean everyone who saw "pink wards are not stealthed now" I'm sure immediately had the same thought I did: "Oh God Eve." I'm sure they'll make some kind of stealth change, either making sweeper detect it initially or lowering its cooldown or both maybe.
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We didn't like that supports were just blanketing the jungle with wards, so we made it so that each player can only place 3 and removed oracles. We are however going to continue to let Teemo poop out wards that do damage on a 15 second cooldown
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Nov 27, 2013 19:02
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Cameron posted:I think I'm gonna play Eve or Teemo until something gets done about that. It seems like it's just a nightmare now. I was in a game against both last night. It was miserable.
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SarutosZero posted:Is there an official term they call melee carries? Yismen? Duelists. The term's been around for a while, and there's a good reason you forgot about it.
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inthesto posted:Duelists. It's apparently Light Fighters now.
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