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Hes already doing Daichi's route twice 
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BrightWing posted:Hes already doing Daichi's route twice Hah, I totally forgot there is in fact a good reason to do Daichi's route twice, which is pretty funny since I've mentioned it quite a bit when discussing the ending paths that exist earlier.
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Dragonatrix posted:Don't worry though; next time around, Keita's totally biting it which is going to probably be cathartic at this point. I'd like to argue that first time around, killing Keita is worth it for an early Force Dance skill. But that's just me. This is totally gonna be my avatar as soon as I can scrape the cash together for an avatar. Yea, I hate Keita that much, he's worth killing. 
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Really, it's not even the lack of Fires of Sodom on its own that makes Belial such a pushover. See, the Belial fight in DeSu 1 was an escort mission. And Fires of Sodom hit everyone. Including the escort. Naturally, being an escort mission, if said NPC died it was an instant game over. That meant that even if you had managed to nullify Fire on your entire team the first playthrough (kind of tricky to do, but not impossible, at the point he showed up) you'd still have to worry about keeping an NPC alive while you whittled down the demons and eventually Belial. It's a combination of the fact that he's only got a single-target map nuke now, along with the fact that you don't have to protect an NPC and the fact that you undeniably have endgame demons in your team since you have to beat Nebiros to even unlock Belial's fight. So he might be a little weaker, but in contrast your team is a lot stronger. Of course, Gomorrah Fire will utterly wreck anything that isn't at least resistant at this point. Really, though, it's more a punishment for not preparing than it is a legitimate threat.
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loving poo poo I forgot about that escort! No wonder that fight is a lot harder than here! gently caress DeSu1's myriad of constant escort missions, I may like the game more overall than DeSu2, but escort missions in Devil Survivor are nothing short of atrocious. 
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The escort missions wouldn't be so bad if not for the downright suicidal(sometimes literally) NPC AI. Also, while we're harping on DeSu1: "It's loving mistletoe, you pack of imbeciles! Why aren't you fuckers listening to me?! "
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Given that Fires of Sodom was the only thing on the map that actually damaged the person you were trying to rescue, I viewed it more as a timer on a fight than something she had to be protected from.
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^ On all escort missions, you should have a Megami on one of your teams. A Femme, at the least. A whole host of problems would be much, much simpler if someone used the drat internet in DeSu1. ...Come to think of it, a lot more would be fixed if it wasn't used in the first place. Gwen fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Aug 2, 2014 |
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Kay Kessler posted:Also, while we're harping on DeSu1: "It's loving mistletoe, you pack of imbeciles! Why aren't you fuckers listening to me?! I'M GOING TO PUNCH THIS INVINCIBLE DEMON! *Punches, deals somewhere in the ballpark of 50-60 damage* lolvampiremist *All teams damage, damage to boss undone* .........this is what I get for doing an ending path that involves a re-fight with this fucker. *promptly suicides*
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Kemix posted:I'M GOING TO PUNCH THIS INVINCIBLE DEMON! *Punches, deals somewhere in the ballpark of 50-60 damage* lolvampiremist *All teams damage, damage to boss undone* .........this is what I get for doing an ending path that involves a re-fight with this fucker. *promptly suicides*
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Friday's Partings ~ The Smoking Gun Because of how the scenes at the start of Friday work, it's possible to have upto 3 at a time with just one person instead of two.   Are you all right?[Music: Connected Hearts]  ...Hibiki. Ha... I was lost in thought there. Not my usual style, huh? I've decided... now is the time to stand against Yamato Hotsuin. There comes a time when you have to act, even if it costs your life. For me, that's now. You prefer equality? Hotsuin wants a Darwinian world... Where the weak are under the strong's heel. But are humans such animals? I haven't lived this long to go along with that!  And this moment, right now... Isn't this the time to voice that idea loud and clear!? Why now? Now's the only time. The world is falling apart... This is the time to change things! I will fight for the justice I love and for man's dignity! I will bring about equality! Do you know how? ...I'm not stupid enough to pick a fight I have no chance of winning. Daichi told me. You have to defeat all the Septentriones to open a path to Polaris, right?  ...Well, may we meet again. Hopefully, next time it'll be as comrades.Ronaldo leaves, a determined expression on his face... [Music: Exploration]  Naturally, because Makoto and Io both die after this, it's not possible to have Joe or Yamato do their scenes solo.   Ugh, it's no good. That won't work at all! What's the matter? Hm? Oh, hey, Hibiki! Great timing...[Music: In the Devastated Town] I've been thinking a lot. You know, about how Yamato and Ronaldo say this and that. I dunno... Don't the merit system and total equality seem like going too far? Do they? Whaaat? C'mon, Hibiki. Think! Don't you see that neither way makes any sense? You're right. I know! Hmm... isn't there something else...? We're all friends, right!? Why do we have to lose our cool over this stuff!? Shouldn't friends work together to find a way through whatever comes up!? You're absolutely right. Either way, it can't go on... I don't want to see my friends fighting like this! That black scar... The Void is swallowing up more and more of the world. We gotta hurry!You say your farewells to Hinako before leaving...  Something, something, magic circle under the government building, time to hang out with Keita some more. [Music: Exploration]   Hmph... It's you, Hibiki. Looks like the others are bickering about Yamato's merit system. Morons... I bet they're still going on and on about it. They're hopeless. ...I'm done with my break. If you don't need anything from me, then... Hm?You see the woman Keita was talking to before, with a boy... [Music: In the Devastated Town]   Th-Thanks! This is great! Oh... But what about you? Are you sure...? Thank you! I'll take this all back! *sigh* But that's not going to be enough... What should I do...?You can hear the woman's stomach growling... Hrgh... O-Oh... Nothing much... Ahaha... A-Anyway... I'm sorry I made you angry last time. ...... Oh... And, um... I brought some apples. Some kind people shared them with me... ...... I'm sorry, though... I gave them to a boy just now... If I find something else, I'll... ...You think I'm a fool? Huh...? What's so great about giving away food when you need it? How do you benefit? I... B-Benefit? That's not what... It makes me sick. What's gonna be left after you sacrifice yourself for others? It's just self-satisfaction. You don't have to say it like that...!  That's going too far. Hmph... Shut up. Looking at people like her reminds me of my idiot father. He was timid and pathetic... Always with his stupid laugh and trying to help others... And then... he got betrayed by people he thought were his friends and saddled with their debts. He had to disappear. He's a complete fool... No...! You can't talk about your father like that...! ...What?[Music: Elegy]  But... He helped a lot of people! That's the kind of man he was... *sigh* What's with you? Don't go around talking like you know everything! The woman leaves...  She knows something. Huh...? Hm, she did call me "Keita"... ...... Tch... Like I give a drat. I'm sure she'll change her mind once she gets burned. ...Well, I'm out of here.Keita leaves... [Music: Exploration]  For obvious reasons, this isn't quite the scene it would seem like at first. It just has the same name regardless of whether or not Jungo is alive.  Yo, Hibiki... You're not still all confused about whether to go with Yamato or not, are you? Well, I don't care either way. If you become my enemy, I'll just crush you and... Hm?You hear people arguing... [Music: Countdown]   Yeah? Well, he told me I could have that food. ...Right, kid? Hrgh... Th-That's... See? Don't you accuse me of being a thief! Quit butting in! Y-You're lying! I saw you! You forced that boy to give you his food! Tch... So what? What idiot would give it back now? S-Still... You have to...! Hngh... C'mon, get lost. If you're gonna go nuts about this, you shouldn't stick your nose in. ...! Hahaha! If you've got a problem, blame the demons. Well, I'm outta here. ...No! Give that boy his food...! Huh? You're pissing me off, lady. You wanna talk to my fist? ...! We have to save her! ...Tch, dammit. This is the only time I'm gonna do this! Aaaah...![Music: Heroes Have No Fear] Hey, rear end in a top hat... Hang on. ...! Wh-What the hell do you want!? You with this bitch!? ...What? I don't even know her. Th-Then get outta my way! This doesn't involve y-- ...Yeah. You ot a problem with that? Oh, n-no... Of course not... Yeah... Hehe... Huh. Looks like you've got some food there. Hand it over. I'm starving here. You don't have a problem with that, do you? Huh...? B-But...! This is mine...! And? ...! N-No, please have it! Well, I'll be going...The man scurries away... [Music: Over the Brink of Death]  ...Thank this guy. I've got nothing to do with this. ...Hey, squirt. Take this food. Huh...? You're giving it back...? ...I don't need it. I work with JP's, so I don't have to worry about food. ...Hmph. I don't need your thanks, idiot. ...I have to thank you, too. Thank you so much. You, too, Hibiki... ...So tell me. How do you know my name? Have we met somewhere? Oh... N-No... We've never met...[Music: In the Devastated Town]  ...! My dad...!? M-Mhmm... He was usually a quiet person, there was one time he looked so happy... He was saying things like "My son's in here" and "He's a frontrunner to win it!" He was so excited to be sharing that with us... He was hiding somewhere so close... That moron. When the earthquake struck... he and I were at work. But I got scared, and didn't make it out in time... That's when he... ...... So when I saw you... It felt like God was giving me a chance to show my gratitude... But I didn't have the courage to tell you that your father died saving me. I'm sorry... ...... He... saved someone who didn't get out in time?[Music: Elegy]  He's a strong person. Strong!? He saved this woman and got himself killed! What's strong about that!? That's just being stupid! ...... Keita leaves... Ah...! Keita...The woman looks worriedly at Keita.  Strangely, there's also two versions of this one particular event with Hinako. The version that pops up on Friday is actually really easy to miss because to get it you have to avoid doing the event with the same name on Thursday.  [Music: Countdown] Hinako is here. She seems to be tending to a wounded JP's member...  Aggghhh...! I can't believe... This is where I'll... Hold on! It'll only be a little while longer... What did you do!? Ah, Hibiki...! Y-You saw everything! Come on! This is no time to be joking around! This person was wounded by a demon and the bleeding isn't stopping! Uggghhh... Hey, hold on! I'm calling JP's right now...! ...Hm? Hinako? And Hibiki, too.You see Joe nearby.  Oh, Joe...! Y-Yeah, I think the wound's pretty deep... Hmm, let's calm down, okay? Can we stop the bleeding? Is there anything bandage-like? Hmm... No. I'll start tearing off parts of my clothes... Oh, that's okay. I found my handkerchief. I haven't cleaned it in a while, though... Ah, and Hinako? Can you call JP's for me? O-Oh, right! Yeah. I'll call them right now.Joe staunches the flow of blood...  It should probably be blindingly obvious at this point, but Joe is only in this scene because he's filling in for Otome. If she were alive, then she'd be here instead for obvious reasons. ...? How are you so good at this? Huh? First aid? Well, I've been visiting the hospital a lot. And while I was chatting with the nurses, they told me how to do a lot of this stuff. Man, I'm glad I remembered! ......[Music: Exploration]  Looks like the bleeding's stopped, but he's lost a lot of blood. And his chest hurts. I see... I'd like to ask you more about this. Could you come with us? Guh? Okay. Well, guess I'm getting a ride. Later, Hinako. Later, Hibiki.Joe enters the ambulance and it speeds away... [Music: Elegy]  Joe was amazing... He was so calm... I couldn't do a thing. I can't even do first aid... All I have is dancing... When I summoned Shiva, I thought I might be useful after all... But I guess that was just a coincidence that Shiva liked my Japanese dancing... ...... Has my whole life been one useless thing after another? No. Haha... Thanks. You're trying to comfort me, right? You don't have to. All I have is dancing... But that doesn't help anyone. Yikes, this isn't good. I don't mean to dump this all on you. I bet telling you all this stuff just depresses you. Hahaha, sorry...Hinako seems to have pulled herself together for now... And now... absolutely loving nothing new or different happens for most of the day. Well, except during the stakes part.  Since Jungo was KIA, Ronaldo turns up to help out there too if we go with Airi and Fumi.  He, um, he isn't very good there. I'd honestly go so far as to consider him a liability quite frankly. Anyway, we do that, get Lugh, summon the dragon stream, beat up Mizar, Beelzebub shows up, we kick his rear end, blahblahblah. Sod it, let's fill in some time with a few new fusions.  Baal and Metatron work well enough to give us our top-tier Megami, Amaterasu. She has Samarecarm for a reason, and it's the same reason she has Anti-Almighty. If you're going to have a healer at this point, might as well have the best healer.  One Fate 5 demon deserves, anoth- oh wait, no. Asura was Alcor's Fate 3 demon, that's right. Shiva and Astaroth were the two that made him in this case, and that was mildly more annoying than I'd have liked. Because Asura is the only non-Suzaku demon to have Inferno by default (and he even needs to level up to earn the right to use it!), and I didn't have Remove Command for quite some time. There's only one demon in the mid-70s I skipped over, because he's baaaaad. It's a shame too, because he's the highest ranked Genma and probably the one least worth using. Go figure. Oh, right. There's no demons that are level 78 or 79. Instead, we now start skipping levels between demons, and our next level is...  80, and we'll use Black Frost here. The highest ranked Jaki, and he came from Anubis and Baal. Probably gonna switch his passives around later with a Mitama (most likely to remove Ice Repel and place Pierce in its place). He's pretty solid, and very definitely worth our time.  Wait, hang on. Wasn't this a fight before? [Music: Countdown]   Hey... Did you guys hear that!? Those sounds... Oh man... That's not good, Hibiki! We gotta hurry! Where's Makoto? How should I know!? But those sounds definitely sound like fighting! ...I'd say we should hurry too. This is serious... Let's go on in! Makoto... You've lost. Surrender now, and I promise no harm will come to you. Don't take me for a fool... I'll never surrender! ...Are you going to continue serving Yamato's ambitions, no matter what? I've made myself clear...! I... devoted myself to JP's. I will not betray them now!  ...! Fine, shoot me! If you're just going to make me a hostage -- a liability to the Chief -- just kill me already! ...! Makoto! [Music: Silence]  ...! M-Makoto...? No way...! E-Everyone... I'm sorry... I...[Music: Requiem]   ...... W-Wait a sec... We didn't make it in time...? No way... What were you thinking!? Why did you kill her...!? It's you guys... ...Say what you will. Clicky... What's gotten into you? You're just doing this to oppose Yamato...? Yes... That's right. I think now's a good time to tell you this. I've gathered my forces and successfully raided the Nagoya branch. JP's is weakened... St-Still...! You didn't have to kill her! Why'd it have to be this way!? Hey, Hibiki...! Say something! This has gone too far. Yeah! Way too far! ...I've said what had to be said. I don't intend to harm any of you, but... If you're going to get in the way of my ideals, I will fight you with everything I have.   No... This can't be happening... Makoto... Makoto's dead...Honestly, this part of the game feels like the most unsure of what it wants to try and do.  Immediately after this is the route split, where even if Makoto dies, Ronaldo gets to waltz into JP's like nothing just happened. And you can still side with him even if you disagree with him just straight up murdering her. Well, we're already through the looking glass so why not just dive in headfirst? [Music: In the Devastated Town]  ...Hey, Hibiki. Thanks for coming. I came to hear you out. Ha... Thanks. I wanted to talk with you if I could.[Music: Heroes Have No Fear] ...I'll be straight with you. I want you on my side. Ooh, yeah, it'd be great ot have Hibiki in our corner. Ronaldo's inviting you, huh? Hey guys, I snagged some food, and-- huh? What're you doing here, Hibiki? Ah, Airi! Looks like Clicky is recruiting Hibiki, haha. Ha... The gang's all here. Them too? Yes, that's right. They believe in the cause and have already agreed to fight for it. I've said it before, but I want to bring world peace through true equality.[Music: Connected Hearts]  Man has abandoned kindness in pursuit of his own gains. It's not normal... And Hotsuin's merit system will be one where those lacking in ability are tossed aside. I... That's not just. It isn't right. That world can't be allowed to be made real. Wouldn't it be wonderful if people were more considerate? If they helped each other out? But... That doesn't matter. I want a world with no poverty or war, where there's a smile on everyone's face! With Polaris' power, as long as we don't stray from our path, it's within our grasp...! Okay.[Music: The Operation Starts]  Hahaha, we lucked out! You'll be a big help! I knew you'd say yes, Hibiki! Thanks for supporting us. Hibiki... Let's join forces and bring about equality! We've already driven JP's out of Nagoya. We took over the Nagoya branch as our base of operations. I'll have someone prepare a room for you. The fight starts tomorrow, so rest well...!You head to the Nagoya branch with the others... Yeah, we go to the base, tell Tico we don't want the recap etc. etc. We got Daichi's e-mail last time, when we sided with Yamato so we'll skip over that one.  opportunity for you to see my power and how right I am in pushing for a meritocracy. Lotus Aura fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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You'd think Joe and the others would have some reservations for siding with someone who just murdered Makoto in cold blood, but nope. So will we have everyone on our side bar the dead and Yamato?
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Clearly this is the utter sociopath run.  I wonder whose bright idea it was to put the route split right after that, whether you save her or not - especially if not. Someone who really didn't like Ronaldo, it seems.
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To be fair Makato was refusing to surrender so it's not like he in the clip were he just had her beaten and shot her. She refused to give up and told him to shoot her.
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MonsterEnvy posted:To be fair Makato was refusing to surrender so it's not like he in the clip were he just had her beaten and shot her. She refused to give up and told him to shoot her. It'd be one thing if she had tried to attack Ronaldo and been shot as a result, but she was just kind of sitting there and clearly wasn't in a state to do any more immediate harm to Ronaldo or his men.
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dmboogie posted:It'd be one thing if she had tried to attack Ronaldo and been shot as a result, but she was just kind of sitting there and clearly wasn't in a state to do any more immediate harm to Ronaldo or his men. She would have been an unruly hostage, and in this time of scarcity and desperation, just killing a known unwilling hostage isn't that far out of reason.
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cdyoung posted:She would have been an unruly hostage, and in this time of scarcity and desperation, just killing a known unwilling hostage isn't that far out of reason.
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:Especially when you're a very desperate man leading a ragtag group of very desperate and overmatched people. Makoto is worth at least 5-10 of Ronaldo's men, and he knows it. Remember, there's no reason for Ronaldo to believe letting her go would work out in the long run at this point either. She did state to Roland's face that she was loyal only to Yamato, so he knew he couldn't convince her to join him... I also want to know what her history with him is. The scenes from Rolando's deaths points out they do know each other.
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I like how they're showing how ragtag Ronaldo's group actually is. This is going to be an interesting ending.
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Oh right, something I completely spaced on while writing the update but when doing the stakes thing on Mt. Fuji, Ronaldo joins us temporarily then too... He, uh, he isn't very helpful. There's so many things wrong with his setup in comparison to what he's actually good at that I don't even know where to begin.
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I don't know what the worst part of his skill list is. It's either him trying to use Holy dance with 10 magic, or Multi-Strike with such a low agility score that he shouldn't be able to equip it.
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He's using a Mag/Agi skill build...with stats that absolutely emphasize Str and Vit. Wow, I knew Ronaldo was an idiot plot-wise, but I didn't think he was also an idiot in in-game terms.
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Dragonatrix posted:Oh right, something I completely spaced on while writing the update but when doing the stakes thing on Mt. Fuji, Ronaldo joins us temporarily then too...  Ronaldo you're such a loving idiot. This is why no one likes you.Edit: This is probably a good punishment for letting Jungo die.
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The one thing I'm kind of questioning is the fact that Otome is dead. It seems that during the path they support, those people seem to get a lot more lines. So do Otome's bonus lines get someone else standing in for her, like Joe with the random medical expertise on that JP person? Though I actually liked that explanation of him knowing first aid through that, it implies him spending a lot of time at the hospital but unable to bring himself to be around the girlfriend for that entire period. Granted, it's probably just an excuse to make him an acceptable stand-in, but I still like the subtext. Honestly, as cute as Jungo can be, the version of Keita's fate scenes with Jungo are honestly kind of detrimental. Keita NEEDS these fate scenes we're seeing right now. He actually comes off vaguely sympathetic and it's a major development in his growth, but Jungo just kind of steals the show when he's there. Additionally, it says something that he actually goes and saves the lady, like even he realizes that it's something he needs to do.
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So, wait, why are we doing Ronaldo's rou- oh wait 100% completion...gently caress. 100% completion seriously sucks sometimes.
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Is the Ronaldo Rises event not a fight if you don't take it when it's first available?
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Given Jungo died I'm surprised you didn't show the alt Fumi scenes where she experiments on Daichi instead
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...Dead Men's Wonderland [Music: Exploration]  Hibiki? It's me... Are you awake? I'm sleeping. Ha... You're awake. You've got quite the sense of humor. Hey, Hibiki. You up? Everyone's ready to go. Ooh, Hibiki. Starting today, we're on the same team! Sure puts a spring in my step. Getting to our main subject... Let's review the situation and our agenda for today. Go on. Yeah, go for it! Thought there's no way we can lose, not with this guy on our side! Um, okay, I'll start. From last night up to this morning...[Music: Connected Hearts]  So those guy still in Tokyo who didn't side with etiher of us... They've got the run of the Tokyo JP's branch now. And the other cities? So Hotsuin has finally put an end to JP's operations and is readying his men for action. The Tokyo crew says they don't want to fight anyone... But if Yamato invades Tokyo and wins them over, we'd be at a big disadvantage. I hate to say it, but Hotsuin is a force to be reckoned with. We should head for Tokyo. You have friends in that group, right? If we beat them, would they consider joining you? I'll try and ask. I'm sure it pains you... but I think they'll understand. Try talking to each of them. Yeah... If you get the chance to explain things, I'm sure they'll come around! Remember the Septentriones? Those challenges Polaris sent for mankind? Yeah, based on what Hotsuin and that strange man said, I think that's true. If all the Septentriones are defeated, the path to Polaris will supposedly open. Yeah. And since that hasn't happened yet... There's another one today. Ha... That's right. So we'll see another Septentrione today as well. Yep. We can't avoid them if we're going to bring about our world of peace and equality. Yeah. If Hotsuin or the Tokyo faction defeats them first, the path will open to them. Either way, it means we have to defeat the Septentrione ourselves. Let's give it a try.[Music: Dark Clouds] Oh, and about the Void-- I heard it got Chiba this morning. It's getting worse and worse... Whew, that's quicker than I thought. We might be in real trouble if we don't hurry. Yes, let's stay focused. We must fight the other factions and win them to our side... If the Septentrione shows up, we must defeat it ourselves. Okay... Let's get started!You say your farewells to the others before leaving... [Music: Exploration]  So, uh, Ronaldo is okay I guess? Dude's our backup Str/Vit character since Jungo isn't available. He's not that good at it, to be honest. Dude has basically no agility and even at this point he still doesn't have 40 Strength. By the end of this update, he will have hit level 70. Still won't have 40 Strength. At least he doesn't have spells stapled onto him now. Oh, and his gimmick? Well, um... he, uh, kinda doesn't have one? Alcor gets a speed stat other than 50 and more turns than normal since its higher than normal. Yamato gets more stats than normal and a resistance to Almighty by default. Ronaldo gets, um... maybe more HP? I think? Moving on!  Before we deal with Hinako and Shiva, we'll do this scene with Ronaldo. It's actually one worth doing for reasons beyond the normal.  Hm... Hibiki? Ha... What a shame... What's wrong?[Music: In the Devastated Town]  ...I shot her for justice, and she allowed herself to die for Hostuin. Though I said tht I wouldn't be at a loss anymore... I was thinking if that was the only possible way to end things. Don't let it get to you. ...Hibiki. I believe that my ideals are correct, and that it's best for the world. But... It's also true that I've killed many JP's people, who had different ideals. I'll never forget those who had to die to create a world of equality... Keep their memories strong. But... I wanted you to at least hear that. Thanks, Hibiki. ...All right, I'm going to go. I have to work hard to make this world a wonderful place!Ronaldo walks away...  Alright, there'll be time to rest later. For now, let's deal with what little we have to.  [Music: Connected Hearts] Well, we're here. Is this where Hinako and the guys were? Yeah, the mole I sent into Tokyo reported back saying he spotted her. This is our chance to persuide them into joining our side. They should be around here... Oh... Look! Over there![Music: In the Devastated Town]   So, yeah, there's Jungo's replacement. Some random, unimportant generic NPC. Listen to us! We will crush Yamato's ambitions and create a world of peace and equality! That's why... We want as many people to cooperate with us as possible! How dare you make empty talk about peace when you're willing to fight your own friends! Mm... That's true, too, but the world's going to be wrecked if you don't put up a fight. We're not the same. You guys make no sense at all! All this stuff about peace and fighting...! No... That's not what we're saying! If everyone understood and cooperated with us, then there would be no reason to fight! That's not the problem here! You really are just a child, aren't you!? Everyone thinks differently! Forcing your opinions on other people is already wrong! It's pointless to reason with them. But, we've already made up our minds. For the sake of justice in this world... We must do this, even if it villifies us! All right, that's enough. Well, we've got something that we can't give up on, too.[Music: Crumbling Routine] I really don't want to fight you guys... but no matter who wins, no hard feelings! ...! Hina, you blockhead! We're not going to go easy on you!And then we win. It takes like maybe 3 minutes, tops. [Music: In the Devastated Town]  Seriously... Good thing we pulled through anyway. Indeed, everyone fought well. This is what comes of peeople working together as equals. Yeah.[Music: Elegy] Mm-hm. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though... Haha, sorry, but it does. Yeah. It was only a few days, but we did have our share of ups and downs with those guys. But we all agreed yesterday that the losers in battle have to step down. That means those people don't have a faction anymore. They might be open to our cause. Sure, yeah. Why don't we try talking to 'em again? Maybe they'll listen this time. If you should come across them, see if you can convince them of our righteousness! I'll try. Mm, good luck! We'll do what we can, too.You leave the area, still chatting with everyone...  Before we deal with Daichi and Io, we might as well slip in another scene with Ronaldo. We do have the time to spare after all. [Music: Countdown]  P-Please...! Don't kill me... I have a family..! ...... I-I won't resist anymore... So please... Let me go...! ...... Is that all you have to say?Ronaldo approaches the JP's member... *gasp* ...... [Music: Connected Hearts] Wha...? This... M-My cell phone...? ...Get out of here. Go wherever you want. ...Don't you think I'll just turn against you with JP's? That cell is for self-defense. You have a family, right? Use that to protect them. And... You misunderstood my ideals. Misunderstand...? And even if you change you mind and attack me again... I won't regret my choices. Ronaldo Kuriki... You've got quite the character. You really may be able to defeat Chief Hotsuin...The member leaves. That was kind of you. You know my objective isn't to fight. I'm only fighting now in order to create a peaceful world... Sacrifices must be minimized. ...I'm counting on you, Hibiki. We have to hurry and stop to these bloody times! (sic)Ronaldo looks towards you and nods with determination... There is no reason to suspect it would be any different, but the tone and topic matter of this scene is wildly changed if Makoto's alive. She doesn't appear in it, but it's pretty clever how that change works really. More importantly...  Ronaldo hit Fate 5. And that gives us quite a good demon available..  Ometeotl is actually pretty sweet. Not really for what he brings from himself, but rather because he's one of the two easy ways to make the sole level 99 demon that doesn't need Alcor at Fate 5. We'll be seeing him later albeit from a different method.   [Music: Elegy] Ah...! Hibiki!? I'm not here to fight. Y... You're not!? Look, what are you doing here!? I'm your enemy! You're my friend. What...? Your friend!? In the end... I couldn't do anything. ...Just go. You don't have any business with a loser like me, right? Sure. That's why I'm here. W-Well, what is it, then!? Hurry and spit it out! What could you want with a completely useless girl like me...!? You saved us from Alioth. Huh...!? That's... not much of a consolation. It was thanks to you. Thanks to me...? But anybody could have done that. My family's famed for their dancing. I was forced to learn how, even if I didn't want to. That's individuality. Equality means everyone'll be the same. Any difference in skill will be flattened out. You misunderstand. What, then? If our skills and personalities are different, how is anything equal? No discrimination. Oh... Hmm. If we propped everybody up, the ones doing the propping would be shortchanged. It'll be for peace. For peace...? Well, normally if you say something like that, some people will cry foul... But if Polaris completely changes human nature, there'd be none of that. It might work... It's a risky move. You could only do it in a situation like this. I understand. Haha... To tell the truth, I've been tense this whole time. I'm just tired of it all. I might not be able to go with you, Hibiki... But I'll always root for you! I can't help but get a bit of a bad feeling from this. Probably nothing though.  Deal with Joe and Airi's scenes when I need to. For now, we have Daichi and Io to have a friendly scuffle with.  [Music: Connected Hearts] According to the reports, this is it. Daichi and Io should be around here... Hmm, I don't see anyone. Hellooooo! It's your best buddy Joe! C'mon ouuuuut! ...You sure your mole got it right? What would anyone be doing around here? Let's look around. Ha... Don't worry about that. Just take a look over there.  Yeah... Don't worry. They'll be here soon. ...See? It's Hibiki.[Music: Countdown]  Dammit...! W-We're not gonna lose! Wh-What the---!? They're totally up for a fight! ...No, listen to us! We didn't come here to fight! We just want to speak with-- Don't be stupid! You say you're here to talk, but you just want us to follow you! W-We'll never accept your goal! I'm not joining either side! You need to wise up! Yikes... Looks like he's completely on the defensive against us. Sheesh, what's with this...!? Hey, what're we gonna do!? There's no helping this. This is going to be rough... but we have to succeed! We're going to have to fight, then... But we're doing it for a world of equality! Yeah... I'll do it! Let's win this and then we can try convincing them...! Yeah. If we don't win, we won't even be able to talk with them later. Indeed...! But there's something strange about Io right now! They might try something... so be careful!We beat them too. It doesn't take very long either. [Music: In the Devastated Town]  That was easy. Ha, impressive. I'm quite glad you and I aren't on opposite sides. ... Say, doesn't this mean there's no forces left in Tokyo? I think all we've got left is Yamato's boys in Osaka. That's right. The next of the Septentriones should be showing tiself sometime too. That'll be no problem. Yeah... Oh, let's make sure we reach out to the guys we just fought, too. Though I think Hibiki's the only one with a chance of getting through to them. Ha, I agree. Let's leave the talking to Hibiki. We're counting on you. This is all ultimately for justice.You say your farewells to everyone before leaving...  ...Something here seems a bit off. Can't think what.  [Music: In the Devastated Town] Ah... Hibiki... Um... How are you? Um... Huh? I'm, er. okay... Thanks. So... why did you come here, Hibiki? I came for you. Hey, Hibiki... Can I ask you something? What made you support Ronaldo's vision of equality...? I want a better world. I see... I'm amazed, though, at how clearly you can state your own goals. Don't run from your desires. [Music: Elegy] Why say unpleasant things out loud? We'd get along just fine if we kept quiet...! That's "getting along"? But...! I... ...I think you're right. It's just... easier this way... I was just going along with everyone... shutting out the idea someone might hate me... That's cowardice. Yeah... It was. I knew it... and pretended that I didn't... But... that won't do me any good. Then don't do that. Mmm-hmm... If I keep running because I'm scared someone will hate me, nothing will change. ...I think I see now why you're so strong. You think of other people and how that'll improve the world. That gives you strength... Let's do this together. Together...? You want me to help you make a better world?[Music: In the Devastated Town]  It was a lot of fun being with you... I'm thankful for that. You'll be okay, I think. You're not like me... I always thought you were so strong. I'll be pulling for you. I hope... we can meet again. It's a promise. Um... well, be careful not to catch a cold or anything.Io leaves...  Still getting that nagging feeling that something here isn't quite right.  [Music: Connected Hearts]  Oh... It's you, Hibiki. You scared me a little there. You did your best. Uh...! Haha... I had a feeling you'd see right through me.  But man, joining Ronaldo... I never saw that coming, and I'm your best friend! I don't blame you. I mean, it's fine for you. However this world turns out, I'm sure you'll be okay! But take me... All this talk about equality puts me in a real bind! Look at me, man... I'm totally useless, you know!? That's not true. Like, I never really gave a thought to stuff like that... But this time, it really hit me... I suck at everything I try. I'm just totally useless... That's enough. Oh...! Sorry, um... You can't hang back. Haha... ha. Dude... I always knew, but man, you're strong. Equality, huh...? Hey, Hibiki. Does that mean no more war or poverty or anything? Definitely no war. Hmmm... interesting. Does that mean there'll be no reason to go to war...? That's what friends are for. Heyyy... Haha, are you trying to get me to join up? Way to fish for help, man! Well, we are friends.[Music: In the Devastated Town]  It's too bad. Haha, you really think so? Now I feel kinda special, you know? Well... I still think of you as my best friend. I'll be rooting for you, man. Well, erm, that's not quite what I expected. Seriously thought this was impossible and that Daichi would always stick by you in the end no matter what. Apparently I was wrong!  Alright, let's skip ahead and deal with Benny.  [Music: Connected Hearts] Ooh, Hibiki! We've been waiting for you. Ah... Hibiki. Ha, you always appear when needed most. I was just passing by. What should we do? This is a fine time for it to show up. That doesn't matter. Hotsuin is also trying to open a path to Polaris... We can't ignore a Septentrione if it's here. We must deal with it first. Let's get this done. Yeah, if Yamato and his gang had beat the Septentrione and met Polaris, we'd be screwed. Okay, so it's decided. Let's go, everyone! Uh, hey, Ronaldo...! You can't go off on your own like that! Idiot...!Ronaldo and Airi run off... Wow, look at 'em go. Maybe they get along better than they seem. [Music: Countdown]  There it is, everyone! That's the Septentrione this time...! It's strange, though. I don't sense any particular threat... And it's much smaller. B-But, we really shouldn't let our guard down. I bet this isn't going to be easy. Right, let's get this over with. It'd be trouble if the Osaka faction intruded on us! Oh, are we going already? Well, I guess that's just how it is.And then we fight Benny, he does the demon thing. We run away, etc. etc. [Music: In the Devastated Town]  Yeah... all present and accounted for. Looks like we all got out in one piece. Ngh... That was close. What was that thing...? That was a close shave... It seemed different compared to the other Septentriones. Yes... It completely prevented us from using demons at all... Oh, and that wasn't all...! Yes, that bothered me too... "Pacify Human"? Does it null our attacks? Hmm... you're right. It must be something like that... It not only nullifies human attacks, it robs us of demons, our other weapon... Wh-What should we do? We gotta think of something! All right. Yeah... I agree. But Yamato's not going to go quietly. We have to stay alert! So our attacks won't work, and we can't sic our demons on him either. Man, oh man... Times like this, I wish we had some advice from someone who knew about this stuff...You all leave, quietly thinking about the conundrum... [Music: Exploration]  This interstitial scene is a wee bit different to what we've seen before. Ah! Ronaldo, Hibiki! We were looking for you guys! For us? What is it? What's happened!?[Music: Countdown]  Wha...!? You're kidding me! We fought, but we were no match for them... You need to hurry back to Nagoya! Ugh... Ronaldo! Hibiki! We have to do this. Ngh... You're right. This isn't the time to hesitate! Everyone, let's make haste for Nagoya! We must fend off the Osaka faction!We'll deal with that ploy later on. For the moment, however, there's something I want to fuse because... it's time.  We'll start by taking Vasuki and Nyarlathotep to make Nergal. I don't particularly like Nergal if I'm being honest, because for a demon this late he straight up needs that Anti-All he has by default. He has it by default because if not, he's friggin' weak to Fire, Ice, Elec and Force. Should probably have swapped him in for Astaroth anyway, but instead I merely made Nergal to combine with, uh... Zaou Gongen. That makes our objective here:  We want a couple of really good Strength oriented demons here, and Satan is the highest leveled Strength one (naturally). He'll sit in the stock for the time being, but Zaou Gongen is coming along for the ride here too.  After beating Nebiros on Tuesday and Belial on Thursday, this is the time our final optional boss makes her appearance. The Innocent Soul... [Music: Crumbling Routine]  Alice Pleasance Liddell.  Yes, Alice. Those are the children of men who are worthy of being your friends. Yes. They are powerful... They will make you the best friends. Oh, really? Um... Hi, you guys. Would you like to be friends with me? The problem is... All my friends are dead. [Music: Garuda] (Overclocked)  So, this fight is actually pretty drat tough... if you're unprepared. It is totally possible to come into this fight, at level 99, and just die horribly really, really fast.  Mostly, that's because Alice alone makes Anti-Almighty borderline mandatory. All of her attacks are Almighty aligned. Die for Me! is, uh, significantly more powerful than its description implies. Like, um, if you don't have Anti-Almighty (or Endure) it is a guaranteed one-shot kill. Because it deals damage equal to 100% of your current HP and MP. Thankfully, she only ever seems to use it on her Extra Turns.  She's the only Fiend who has the upgraded racial skill by default (just reduces MP cost; still not worth it). Vitality Drain seems like it deals percentile damage based on your remaining HP; never had anyone die from it and it seems to hit less at lower HP. Might just be imagining that bit though. Also she has 21,074 HP and 5022 MP. Resists loving everything but Physicals and will try and put the screws on your entire team as quickly as she can.  Nebiros has been quite significantly buffed since we last faced him. No more Elec weakness to abuse, if we get the chance, and his stats are all much higher too.  Belial, on the other hand, is still Belial.  So, the fight itself is pretty simple in concept. You want one dude with non-poo poo Strength to immediately bumrush Alice.  She starts exactly 8 movement spaces away from your deployment area. Ammut's ideal for getting there right away.  My Auto-skill of choice here is Full Might just to guarantee that I get extra turns and she doesn't. The more turns she gets the more chance there is of Die For Me! happening and you don't want that.  Of course, with her being level 99 and all getting in reaaaaaally good hits is not the easiet thing in the world. Zaou Gongen's critical Power Hits barely break 4 digits.  Oh, and Forget is a mildly annoying ailment here. Alice's big weakness is multi-hitting Physical attacks for obvious reasons; a top-class Deathbound or Multi-Hit/Strike is the best thing. Getting that sealed is quite bad.  Fortunately, Zaou Gongen isn't for show. Matchless lets me immediately sub out Ammut for the real demon we want at this point.  Satan and Zaou Gongen are by no means mandatory here; they just make it somewhat easier by giving some margin for error. Plus, getting two shots to drop her right off the bat is never a bad thing.  Sadly, even with someone on equal footing with her, getting really good damage output is not the easiest thing. You can make some bigger numbers happen if you're willing to forego Anti-Almighty but that's a mite too risky.  Note that out of my entire party here, Satan is the only one with it. That could potentially be an issue.  At least on the first round of combat, she lost around half her HP (she's currently down by 9207). That's not too bad, but it could potentially be better.  Everyone else is primarily interested in keeping the generic demons, Nebiros and Belial occupied.  This is mostly not too challenging, but some bad luck in places can make it take longer.  Not that much longer, mind.  After all, the generics are easy to one round regardless.  Belial and Nebiros are more on the tanky side of things. Airi has no chance at all of one-rounding Belial, since he has a little over 6,000 HP this go around.  Although, she doesn't really need to. Just focusing on drawing aggro, since he can't hit worth a poo poo anyway.  Plus, he, uh, has Victory Cry this time so Airi's not going to drop him anytime soon.  Nebiros's gimmick is mostly the same but the core difference is he needs less than 2 generics to pop Necromancy this time around.  Not that it matters too much when he ends up dealing more damage to himself thanks to Phys Repels though.  Fun fact about Belial's Gomorrah Fire that I noticed: he sends it at you in team order. Hibiki will always be targeted first; Team 2's leader is second, Team 3 third and Team 4 last.  This is quite exploitable, since it makes him even more predictable.  Belial remains the least threatening semi-importatnt dude here.  ...She chortled in her joy. Quoting the Jabberwocky as she does so.  Oh, and the thing about Vitality Drain is that it hits everyone in that 6 square range.  Unlike normal Drain, this is an exact 1:1 thing; the combined damage dealt is how much she regains.  Thankfully, with someone right by her from the start, she'll focus her regular attacks solely on them. [Music: Last Decision] (Overclocked)  At this stage, it's just a matter of keeping up everything that came before. Just need to hope that she doesn't pop a Die For Me! at an inopportune moment more than anything else.  At least the regular demons are kind enough to focus on the obvious bait.  Not that everyone else is unimportant or anything; just that they're not quite as useful with like two exceptions. We (currently) have neither of them.  Much like before, Necromancy takes up Nebiros' entire turn.  He also only revives one dude, and I guess you could use that to grind if you really needed it here.  I would have to question how effective you're doing things if you're grinding in this fight of all your choices though.  ...Yes, Ronaldo is so incompetent even at friggin' Level 70 that I had to use Prayer on him so he wouldn't die.  Oh, and Alice is the only enemy Fiend who uses her Racial Skill. She doesn't use it on herself though; she uses it go give Belial and Nebiros more turns.  Weirdly, though, Belial can use Gomorrah Fire and attack in the same turn. Alice used Unearthly Form to let Belial attack after Gomorrah Fire.  I am very definitely not questioning the sensibility of this move.  Oh, right, Hibiki's team can't heal much. Hibiki has Diarahan for emergencies, but he hasn't had a chance to use it yet.  Thankfully, I kept a hold of Da Peng just for movement bonuses. Amaterasu had Samarecarm for emergencies too. I had no intention of Recarm chaining, even if it came to that. Because that's dumb and I don't like doing it anyway.  Considering her now abysmally low HP, you can safely come to the conclusion Zaou Gongen is the only thing that died.  One more Deathbound thanks to Matchless, and that is the end of this tale. Since she never got an Extra Turn, not once did she use Die For Me! on this fight. Kinda makes it too easy if that never happens, y'know?  So I redid it and purposefully dragged things out up until it happened.    [Music: In the Devastated Town]  What a shame... Let's go find her. It's the least we can do...So... yeah, that's that sidequest dealt with now. A pretty standard series tradition thing at this point; as is the case in every game it appears in, the Nebiros/Belial/Alice grouping is a reference to SMT1 when it was an actual plot point.  Good news, though, is now that we've beaten Alice we can finally gain the ability to fuse Nebiros...  And, of course, that means Belial as well...  And Alice herself! Between this and Ronaldo finally hitting Fate 5, we've gained the ability to fuse every demon in the game too. 
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You can also use the Hero racial skill (-30%/50% damage) to avoid getting oneshot by Die for me! I think Fortification also does the trick, but I'm not sure on that one. I know Debilitate does not though.
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alcharagia posted:You can fail to recruit Daichi?! Likely a result of wrong conversation choices. My guess is that Daichi doesn't have a minimum Fate level required unlike everyone else, but there's still the chance of failing to convince him to join up. But we've pretty much failed to convince everybody, huh? There's only... Keita and Fumi left. ...Well, at least Keita's joining, right?
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This is just Maximum Sociopath, isn't it?
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ApplesandOranges posted:Likely a result of wrong conversation choices.
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The more Ronaldo talks, the more he reminds me of Zeno Shin from Deception IV. Except that Zeno was meant to be delusional, using "justice" as both an excuse for his failures and a justification for his actions.
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Yukari posted:You can also use the Hero racial skill (-30%/50% damage) to avoid getting oneshot by Die for me! I think Fortification also does the trick, but I'm not sure on that one. I know Debilitate does not though. Makes sense, it does a set amount of raw damage regardless of stats so anything that nerfs Alice doesn't change the outcome, it has to be something that buffs you. So yeah you need physical attackers to possibly deal enough damage to reasonably kill Alice. By this point you should be well past needing an Unkillable run, so just make sure you've got Samarecarm in case someone dies and you'll be good.
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I can only wonder what caused the "Farewell, Daichi" event to play. The most obvious thing would be either not being able to recruit anyone from his group (Jungo's dead, and neither Hinako nor Io joined you), Daichi's fate level being extremely low (despite not needing Fate 4 to join), or a combination of both. Or perhaps neither, I honestly have no idea, but those seem like the most logical possibilities.
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I actually looked it up, and it seems Daichi has different circumstances. In AO's route, he always joins. In Yamato's route, he needs Fate 4, like everyone else. In Ronaldo's route, the Fate level requirement is lower, but still there. And obviously, he auto-joins in his own route. It seems all this applies to Io as well, so she will auto-join in AO's route if she survives (so in other words, you still need to get her to about Fate 3).
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Ah, so they both join automatically on the only route that matters, that makes sense. I guess they needed some leeway to make sure the ending shot wasn't just Hibiki and Daichi. I say some because it still can be. 
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I feel like it would make for sense for the Yammato route to be the screw everyone route. Instead of here.
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