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Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Whaleporn posted:

This manga is really good if your willing to accept that the author will always let his story of humanities survival get in the way of telling a really gripping tale of a harem in the distant post human future. Hopefully the anime will work on it's pacing so we can get to our favorite cute girls who may be guana.

It's not really a pacing issue so much as I don't know if it can really get that far unless they're willing to slice out an enormous segment of plot, since I think it only has a run of 13 episodes. The pacing has been quite good so far.

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Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Dan7el posted:

A few things I appreciate about this manga, other than the gripping harem aspects are:

1. Sidonia has enough resources. They never seem to be worrying about material resources. In fact, we don't see the manufacturing facilities, but they exist, and how. They're making new stuff all the time, and their tech is pretty drat sweet. That big ball of ugly stuff surrounding the ship appears to be a resource blob, and they get new resources all the time. I appreciate this fact as the story can focus on harem antics (and ancillary, humanity's quest for survival) rather than whining about how they're running out of titanium, etc.

3. Humanity's versatility -- over a thousand years have passed and we have a ton of transhuman capabilities. Ageless (immortals, but they can be killed), intersex people, cyborgs, bears, and so forth. Pretty cool. Why isn't everyone "immortal" though, if they can make one person, why not everyone?

Some thoughts:
4. We don't know much about the Guana, but they seem to have some sort of society as they travel in large groups. Right? It'd be nice to learn more about them. I feel like this is Attack of the Titans where we have no idea what the Titans are about. We have no idea what the Guana are about either. Except, the Titans seem more threatening to me. I don't know why I feel that way, though.

1. They actually deal with the resource thing at the very beginning. That first gauna appearance was during a routine asteroid mining operation; they seem to simply collect any space rocks they happen to pass by with the Gardes.

3. It's implied that the immortals are a secret, which may be why the Captain wears a mask in public and nobody actually knows who she is. Why this is isn't explicitly stated, but I would wager it's a combination of resource/living space limitations and perhaps some ethical concerns with the ramifications of never aging and dying. Tanikaze's grandfather opted out of taking his Immortality Juice for some reason, after all.

4. The Titans seem a bit more threatening and brutal because of the tech level and scale differences. When someone dies messily in Sidonia it's usually their mech getting swatted/crushed by a giant space monster rather than their squishy human body being visibly dismembered/crushed/eaten. Also the Titans are being fought with lovely Renaissance technology that doesn't work at all while Sidonia is shown to have a lot more effective options for evading/repelling Gauna even at the beginning when the Kabizashi are the only way to score true kills.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

KoB posted:

Oh great, a token tsundere, that's exactly what I wanted for this manga :geno:.

While the fact that she's an honest-to-god robot that looks pretty inhuman when she's actually experiencing high emotions is pretty cool, I really don't know if our wacky romcom harem house needed a generic tsundere, especially since Izana already fills a lot of that role on his/her own.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
Sidonia didn't repopulate normally, it repopulated through massive cloning projects and artificial births. There's also no "normal" stock left because it was determined that a population of "normal" humans would be totally unsustainable with Sidonia's vastly reduced food production capacity after it was obliterated and hollowed out by the Gauna breakthrough.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Phobophilia posted:


Sidonia's solution is fine. They use natural meioses plus genetic engineeer to maximise diversity. The Honoka series are a deliberate experiment, and I doubt they will become dominant in the ecosystem. The only danger are the immortals, as they are stagnant. The immortals like to think they have the best interests of the ship at heart, with their oaths to serve Sidonia and to never pass on their evolutionarily destabilising genes, but they are too conservative and end up swept aside by the Captain and Ochiai's revolution.

They explicitly say the existing immortals don't pass on immortality to descendants. If they did, Izana would be immortal because grandma is immortal.

Tanikaze is super weird because he's the first immortal made that way from the ground up, so who knows if he follows the same rules or not.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

advokat posted:

Finally finished reading this. It's an... odd manga but a fascinating setting, and the latter kind of saves it. Are the fights any easier to follow in the anime?

The fight animation is the high point of the anime, yes.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

trucutru posted:

Because they are a threat, who know what kind of rear end-kicking stuff will they have in ten million years (And he is a petty fucker).

To expand on this, he was pretty content to leave Sidonia to die and go his own way last time(albeit stealing the Kabi so they wouldn't have a weapon that worked on his then-imperfect Chimera), but that turned out pretty loving badly for him. He's out to clean up the loose ends this time. They have a weapon that can kill him, after all.

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Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Factory Factory posted:

I think I'm also a bit confused as to where and why we are right now. I got sidetracked by Ochiai - would someone mind summarizing what was going on around Ochiai that they're now getting back to?

They're setting up for their attack on the huge gauna flagship. During that setup the Captain decided to destroy the second chimera, so Ochiai said gently caress it and sprung his plan early and merged himself with the second chimera and was then driven off. Tanikaze was then kept behind for reasons we don't know yet("Sidonia defense") while everyone else set off to go fight the gauna flagship.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Avulsion posted:

That doesn't seem too far fetched, given the power creep in the series so far.

Yeah, pretty much. At the start of the series a single isolated gauna was an existential threat that required scrambling basically the entire Guardian fleet of Sidonia to simply distract it long enough for them to spear it. Since then we've progressed to Sidonia producing battleship fleets and fielding massed swarms of robots with rapid-fire gauna killing cannons.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Pierson posted:

The only people who are clones are the Honoka sisters, unfortunately at times he really does just have a severe case of sameface. He gets better as he goes with the accessories and styles to help but can't deny it's there.

They all came out of vats, pretty much. They had to rebuild the entire population of Sidonia in the space of a couple generations with only about a hundred survivors, you're not doing that with good old fashioned fuckin'.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Ghost of Babyhead posted:

As far as outrunning the Gauna goes, I've always assumed they were a sort of galaxy-permeating force. Now I'm wondering if I just made that up, or if there's support for the idea in the text.

Signs point to this being true since they've been running directly away from Earth for hundreds of years and keep running into Gauna, including from directions that aren't directly behind them. I don't believe "the gauna are everywhere" is ever stated, though.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
This battle kind of is the last stand of Sidonia, though. They put everything into this and if they win they have a system to colonize and if they lose they're all dead.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

cmykjester posted:

Man. It's really gonna end like next month? I kind of felt like this comic was just getting started in a way. :(

I'm really sad too, but like I said, this is the final battle. Tanikaze made his harem choice, Ochiai was revealed as an active threat, and the Sidonia is currently fighting a massive final battle with the Gauna over an inhabitable star system(and the Sidonia has taken irreparable damage in the battle already). If they win here, the Sidonia's journey is at an end because they have a place to live now and if they lose here they all die.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

There Bias Two posted:

But the journey isn't at an end at all. They have no idea where the gauna came from, what motivates them, or how to keep fighting them as their abilities keep escalating. They'll land on the planet and be wiped out in a matter a weeks.

The gauna's abilities have continued to escalate, but so has Sidonia's ability to confront them; at the beginning of the series the gauna were literally invincible except by stabbing them with irreplaceable spears in melee combat. Less than 80 chapters later the Sidonia is fielding significant sub-fleets of ships with broadside cannons that can eradicate mass union ships wholesale as a mere escort action for superlasers powered directly by a star. If anything, a settled planetary base of operations in a solar system is likely only to improve Sidonia's chances of survival because their only sources of resources to use to build fighty stuff were salvage and whatever they could haul out of random asteroids when they were a single ship fleeing endlessly through space. They don't actually have the *option* of moving on now, anyway; Sidonia is basically destroyed as a sustainable habitat since it lost its entire internal water supply along with the front third of the entire ship.

As for not knowing where the gauna came from or what motivates them, I'm OK if it doesn't get explained in detail. They're weird inscrutable spooky space monsters who sometimes exhibit weird behavior that might hint towards intelligence. A trite ending like "THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND US ALL ALONG!" would be more unsatisfying to me than them simply remaining a mystery.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
If Ochiai was willing to just gently caress off and not gently caress with Sidonia they probably would have let him go be a transhumanist hybrid demigod for as long as he wanted.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Ytlaya posted:

Yeah, the reason everyone hates him is that his experiments somehow (forget how exactly) resulted in drawing Gauna to Sidonia, killing off most of its population.

As Avulsion said, he didn't draw the Gauna, he stripped Sidonia of its only viable defenses at the time by stealing the Kabi. Before he did that there's no indication that Sidonia would have really given a gently caress about him turning himself into goopy monster man and loving off to do his own thing, but dude has a huge ego problem and didn't like the concept that a weapon that could theoretically kill hybrids was still in the hands of others. Incidentally, he repeated the exact same cycle of his first death with the Kunato brainjack; he developed a super awesome nearly invincible hybrid to download his brain into, decided that he really didn't want to leave anyone around with the ability to conceivably harm him, and went unprovoked attempted genocidal murder rampage yet again on Sidonia to attempt to eliminate any possible competition(and got murdered by the son of the person who murdered him the first time). Dude is his own worst enemy.

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Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Nate RFB posted:

I would call that quite obviously rushed but not awful in of itself. Reminded me of the one that The World God Only Knows got a while back.

Pretty much my feelings. I don't really mind the content of the ending, it was just very rushed.

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