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A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger
All the other Airlines have chosen Tehran as their Mideast connection, though only ConAir has completed construction of their hub at this time.

More models of plane will start bubbling over the next few years. I'd like to leave them a surprise, but if you want to peek there's a fairly complete list of what will appear in the intro by way of recognizing copyrights.

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the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

A_Raving_Loon posted:

All the other Airlines have chosen Tehran as their Mideast connection, though only ConAir has completed construction of their hub at this time.

This actually works in our favor. It is literally impossible for anyone to overtake our position in the Mideast: we already have a huge majority of Tehran's slots, so with the leftovers are getting split 3 ways nobody is ever going to be able to run enough flights in our backyard to match us.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

A_Raving_Loon posted:

All the other Airlines have chosen Tehran as their Mideast connection, though only ConAir has completed construction of their hub at this time.

More models of plane will start bubbling over the next few years. I'd like to leave them a surprise, but if you want to peek there's a fairly complete list of what will appear in the intro by way of recognizing copyrights.

I don't mind us having some idea what's in the pipeline, we're a major airline and we'd definitely be getting sales calls from Boeing/Airbus/Ilyushin etc. that we should be interested in their upcoming models. The 707 was prototyped in 1954, and they were taking orders in 1955. The 707-320 has it's first flight in January 1958 and is in service by the middle of 1959, so we'd certainly be getting notes from Boeing about how they'd like us to put our orders in for their new jet.

I also don't have a problem with knowing ingame that Rome has the Olympics because it was chosen as host in mid-1955 (1964's host is chose in May 1959). Stuff like the Suez crisis we shouldn't know about, there were tensions but no clue it would get so serious before it happened.

I have no clue how to make that into any type of coherent rule, though, so if you want to outlaw spoilers that's also good.

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger
In most cases I think the game itself gives enough fair warning of what's ahead. Hearing about things the year before they happen will give the thread some time to react.

I won't stop people from capitalizing on independent research, but won't go out of my way to reveal the distant future.

When a warning/event arises at a time that doesn't cooperate with the update cycle, emergency meetings will be called.

The Casualty
Sep 29, 2006
Security Clearance: Pop Secret


Whiny baby
We're only a couple thousand passengers from being #1 in Europe. That's just a couple of routes. Let's continue to gradually expand in Europe so as to overtake instead of falling behind.

Asia is becoming hugely successful for us as well. Routes to Bangkok and Beijing will solidify our holdings.

We're on the doorstep of the jet age! I say we purchase 707s for use on our Hong Kong route and use those prop jobs for other business. This will really put the squeeze on ConAir. Alternatively, we could use them on the Rome route, whichever raving loon thinks is more profitable. These babies will revolutionize our business.

The Casualty fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Feb 25, 2014

Hedera Helix
Sep 2, 2011

The laws of the fiesta mean nothing!
Oh crap, where did all our money go? We should probably only do one more route and then hold back, since we're running low on funds.

Thesaurasaurus
Feb 15, 2010

"Send in Boxbot!"

Okay, catching up on this, I agree that We need Asia. We should Activate Beijing and Bangkok to begin edging out ConAir with an eye on Locking Down Europe and North Africa in the foreseeable future. If we wanna take on America, we need to come at it from all sides.

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger

Business Plan 1958

Primary Objectives:
pre:
5 - Connect Beijing and Bangkok
3 - Expand existing routes in Europe and Asia
We’ve played our hand and sunk our founding capital into a network which spans the old world. After a few more links links out east, we’ll dig in and get these routes up to their full potential. We will rearrange our fleet to better take advantage of the markets at our gates.

Secondary Objectives:
pre:
2 - Expand Routes in Middle East
2 - Establish Hub in Cairo
We have a firm lock on the homeland, but we much be vigilant. Terhan is the heart of air travel in the mideast, and none can take it from us. And while Russia has no idea how to profit from it, their experiments have prove that there’s tickets to be sold in Africa. If funds allow, we’ll move in and get ready to show them how it’s done.

Stretch Goals:
pre:
1 - Buy 707s for Major Routes
1 - Purchase Boats in Rome
The jet age is upon us. If funds allow, we’ll try our hand at early adoption of this new generation of aircraft.

Also, someone really wants a company yacht.

A_Raving_Loon fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Mar 10, 2014

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Air 'murica looks like it's got an amazing pile of money going. Are we going to try to break into the lucrative North American market at all?

The Casualty
Sep 29, 2006
Security Clearance: Pop Secret


Whiny baby

Glazius posted:

Air 'murica looks like it's got an amazing pile of money going. Are we going to try to break into the lucrative North American market at all?

Easier said than done. Our cold relations over there make obtaining routes time-consuming and expensive. We also don't have a good inventory of planes to take advantage of trans-Atlantic or trans-Pacific travel at this time.

It's also only 1958. The scenario concludes at the end of 1975. We have plenty of time.

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger
1958 - Settling In


Q1 1958



After highly their disappointing openings, our routes in France and Germany are scaled back to run IL14s. Berlin showed more enthusiasm, so they get priority for air-time over Paris. Athens is scaled up to 5 Flights per week. If they fill, the Greeks may get one of the DC6s we just freed up. London and THROM continue to thrive. They would be first in line for expansion bids this turn, but we’ve hit two bottlenecks: Rome is full, and we need more planes. One takes time, the other money that we’ve committed to building our next big links out east.



As ordered, we go into Beijing. From Athens, we’ve learned that population has a massive impact on demand, so I deploy a DC6. There’s only 2 slots free right now in Hong Kong, and no more will be open to bid on until next turn, so an IL14 wouldn’t get enough time to move much volume. I’m betting that China can fill all those seats.



Good news at home - with everyone working out of Tehran there’s lots of pressure on the airport to expand. They’ve gone straight into another building project after finishing their first. Since this is quick and easy, I send Jerry to secure our share of the new slots. It’s technically a lower priority than bidding for our link to Bangkok, but we’ll need a while to gather the opening cost anyway. We have time to spare.




Everybody wants a piece of that fresh Iranian tarmac.

ConAir also opened their first transatlantic flight, becoming the first of us to advance into Air’Murica’s territory.



We'll get right on those.





Not a bad turn. We’re staying competitive on all fronts and our cashflow continues to slowly rise. Our businesses appear to be responding well to the growth of the network. The hotel in Rome alone pays out $3 million on a good turn. The others are far more modest, giving back a few hundred thousand.



Hail Satan.

Q2 1958



Late to the party, Blue.



Passengers of Air Marx begin to develop an irrational sympathy for their service provider. They also open a route to Paris. At least they’re buying and using more Viscounts. They may yet recover from owning Tupolevs.



Like us, ConAir is slowing down as they start to run low on liquid assets. The AI doesn’t live as dangerously as we do.



Old bids from last year in Madrid and Singapore clear. It will be a while before we can afford to put those slots to use, but they don’t cost much to hold on to. More importantly, Jerry renews our dominance of Tehran.




China does us proud. Beijing is off to a strong start, and it looks like our increased presence out here is improving demand for THR-HKG.



With breathing room up for sale in Hong Kong, our next offensive is focussed on the east. Veronica to Bangkok, Igor to HK and Jerry into Kuala Lumpur. I chose it over yet more time China because they can handle 2 more flights without adding any new planes. We’re down to an IL14 earmarked for Bangkok, and a DC6 waiting to tag in on our best long haul.



Yeah, gently caress you too, France. Way to get upstaged by Baghdad. I cut their flights back more, reassigning them mostly to Berlin. Our good routes in Europe are making full use of their current aircraft, so I decide to send out our last DC6.



Three flights on THROM bring in more than 5 to Athens, so I assign it to the connector. It adds capacity for two more fights. I use one for now.



Space will be tight in Europe for a while. If we chose to try more hookups we can always skim time off Paris and Berlin.



Here, we see some of the AI’s exploitable behavior on display. ConAir is using rock-bottom prices to steal passengers from us in India, and it’s working. They’re moving about 180 people each week vs our 120. However, our smaller flights brings in 25% more revenue from those high-price tickets, at lower operating cost than their fatass Lockheed Constellation. A good move on the scoreboard, but a bad one on the ledger. I cut a little discount to lure some of those passengers back. No reason not to rub salt in the wound.

Luring our opponents into traps like these is handy for getting ahead.



ConAir has a less than amazing start heading overseas, but London to New York is such a good route that even half-full budget flights make decent scratch.

This is what they’re up against.



:unsmigghh:



More popular pacific islands, and Sydney adds 26 more slots.





We hold steady through this turn, adding $750K in air sales without spending any capital.

Q3 1958






The Jet Age continues to dawn.

DC one-ups Boeing with a farther reaching and slightly more fuel-efficient skywhale, while newcomer Sud Aviation puts out a smaller short-range jet that’s nearly as reliable as a turboprop.



Air Marx links Tehran to Cairo, hook up Barcelona, and bid in Brussels and Calcutta.



While it may not be as patriotic, we prefer not the paint the map red.



One of those is going straight to Beijing. Any more will need more planes.



City, solved. There is a hard cap of 14 flights per week on any given route. The only reason to hold more time than that in any non-hub city is to deny it to your enemies.



Our eastern connection is maturing nicely. It’s no THROM, but we’re climbing into the same league as ConAir.



Speaking of, THROM is still amazing. I should strip more flights from Paris’ scrawny little schedule and feed them to THROM (Finally filling 3 flights for $210K per quarter) but I spare it the knife for now. They get a rate hike and a second chance to live up to the standards set by air-travel giants like Iraq, Malaysia and Uzbekistan.

Belin’s doing much better, filling 5 flights for $460K.



The Greeks break a million, and hunger for more. I gouge a bit until we have more time to give them. I’ll be 18 more months before Rome grows, Q1 1960.



Tehran has all the time in the world, so bidding turns to growing routes at home. As before, I look for links that handle more traffic with their current supply of aircraft. There’s space for 2 more flights to Cairo and Bombay, 4 to Baghdad, and 1 more to Tashkent. Baghdad earns the least per flight, putting it at the back of the line. Tashkent has the least to gain from bids without more planes to fill them, so they’re out too. That leaves the very close performances of Cairo and Bombay.



Egypt is doing a little better, and will be our future hub in Africa, so it wins out. Igor’s on it. The Russians have held back here, so there’s still a good chance that we can get control here. For all that control of Africa is worth.

Since Cindy’s also free, I send her back to Bombay for 6 more slots. It’s all we can expect from their tiny airport. It will take 9 months.



They fish around more in the Middle East, linking Karachi and bidding in Tehran. The real news is their bids in America. One the one hand, our largest enemy will soon have competition. On the other, it will be from our nearest rival.



More Slots, more L1049s. Standard ‘Murica turn.





Severe weather disrupts flights in New York.
Papeete remains a popular tourist destination





That storm cost the Americans $15 Million and 11,184 passengers.

Allah Akbar.

Q4 1958



Diplomats will shop around to different airlines with their deals. The Russians don’t want this one, so they’ll be coming to us next.



The Australians want to clean up Perth. While this would mean great things for our eventual work in Oceania, they ask for far too much. We send them on their way.



Our bidding out east clears, and we have the cash on hand, so Bangkok is added to our network. All we have on hand to fly it is an IL14, but we know the 3 flights it can handle will be good ones. We also schedule two more flights to Kuala Lumpur. All of our planes are now in action, and all planes in Southeast Asia are working at full capacity.



In a bit of emergent gameplay, we’ve wound up colluding with ConAir to keep Trans-Asian ticket prices high. The AI feels comfortable charging a little more than us on their connecting flight, and every time they’ve raised their fares I’ve raised our own to keep pace. They respond by raising theirs in turn, and both routes benefit until someone new shows up to undercut us. Game theory in action!



With two agents free and no cash on hand to give them, I close out with more bids at home. Veronica to Baghdad and Jerry to Tashkent. 6 months each for 5 and 7 slots. Taken together, we’re getting close to all the slots we should ever need in the Middle East.



The results of closing the trap in Bombay. In exchange for $100K of our revenue, we’ve pinned them down in a downright Parisian quagmire. At least Paris was relatively cheap to connect to. In this state, ConAir’s flight will probably never pay back its startup costs. Since we’ll soon have even more flights to fill there, I squeeze prices even tighter.

Listen closely around sunset, when the wind is right, and you will hear Danny Yang cry himself to sleep.




No one wants to clean up Perth.

The Americans also link Karachi and bid in Tashkent.



The most popular island that no one is flying to. Tourists will have to try their luck with boats.





Without the wrath of god holding them down, Air’Murica pops right back to their normal place. We’re keeping slow and steady pace.


1958 Year-End Review

Only the Russians go before us, connecting Sweden and doing some bidding in the motherland.



This year brought our cash reserve to an all-time low. Our startup funds are spent. (Going back and adding up the numbers, we actually went through the last of our initial capital around the end of 1957.) From here on out, we’re living on the proceeds of our own assets. We shall live or die an Aero-Biz. And we’re not doing half-bad.

We’ve turned that initial $820 Million into a company that brought in $32.9 Million this year, an average of $8M per turn. That is money we can grow on. That’s a new route or two each year, or a couple midrange planes, or a nice hotel with a view of the beach. That is a return on investment that will see us double in size within 6 years.

In four years we’ve been built a network spanning two continents that moves ten thousand people every month.

It only goes up from here.




Our trusty Soviet workhorse is getting put out pasture. After 1959 all production of the IL14 will be discontinued. It’s last call to stuff our hangars with these tough little planes before they’re gone. The ones we have will continue to serve.

We’ve had a good run with the IL14. We’ve benefitted its strengths - low costs which let us make the most of all the little things we have. This year, we ran to its weakness - time. While an IL-14 focussed strategy is highly economical when it comes to cash, their low capacity means they need a lot of airport space to really scale up service. Time that adds up quickly in your hubs.

In exploring the markets, we’ve found plenty of cities that may be equipped to handle fewer flights from bigger planes.

Enter the Caravelle.



On the surface, this looks worse than the DC6. Same size, far less range, worse upkeep ratings and a bigger pricetag. On the surface, it is worse. However, aircraft in Aerobiz have a hidden stat - speed. Along with operating range, speed determines how many flights per week a plane can handle on a given route. In most cases, speed being hidden isn’t a problem as long as you know it exists. It’s enough to know that in general, jets are faster than props.

If you comb over the numbers, you’ll find that at max range a big turboprop like the DC6 and L1049 gets around 1.5 flights per plane. Lighter props like the Viscount and our IL14s get closer to 2 flights per plane. The Tu104, for all its countless failures as commercial passenger aircraft, nearly gets up to 3.

The higher speed of jet aircraft means more flights per plane - fewer planes per route.

Based on that, I believe the Caravelle is a worthy successor to the IL14 on some of our proven short-range routes, leaving the Ilyushins free to seek out new low-demand lines and do what they do best.

It’s time to start looking to the future.

Build our Plan for 1959.

A_Raving_Loon fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 5, 2014

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
:eng101: The DC-6 and L-1049 weren't turboprops - they were piston-props! Lots and lots of spark plugs. Same with the IL-14, actually.

Buy Caravelles as IL-14 replacement, buy DC-8s sparingly. I suspect the Caravelle will stay viable longer. How long can you fly out-of-production airplanes?

StandardVC10 fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Feb 27, 2014

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

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Quick to Anger

StandardVC10 posted:

Buy Caravelles as IL-14 replacement, buy DC-8s sparingly. I suspect the Caravelle will stay viable longer. How long can you fly out-of-production airplanes?

As far as I'm aware, indefinitely.

For reference, here's our routes within Caravelle range:
pre:
City     Dist Planes Flts Load Sales
----     ---- ------ ---- ---- -----
London    870 1 DC6   5/5  400 1720K
Athens    680 1 DC6   5/5  400 1260K
Beijing  1250 1 DC6   3/3  240 1120K
Cairo    1250 2 Il14  5/7  150  660K
Tashkent 1000 1 IL14  4/5  120  620K
Shanghai  750 1 IL14  5/5  150  490K
Berlin    750 1 IL14  5/5  150  460K
Bangkok  1060 1 IL14  3/3   90  370K
Paris     680 1 IL14  3/5   60  160K
Why yes, Paris is awful at this and all other times of year. Thanks for asking.

Krysmphoenix
Jul 29, 2010
So, something I noticed that has me concerned. Murica now has more people flying in Europe than AirMarx does, and that's where they started. But then again, we also have more people flying in Europe than AirMarx. So really they're just doing terrible.

Papeete is dying for some flights there, let's at least humor them while the bonus still exists, assuming we can reach. In the meantime, we need to break into the Americas, and start investing in a Trans-pacific route(s) of some kind. I think our odds might be slightly better in South America considering the US hates us. Anything we can do to poke their monopoly and start making them reduce their costs may be beneficial to us in the long run.


Vote changed. See my next post.

Krysmphoenix fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Feb 27, 2014

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

I think we should be diversifying a bit. Africa and South America are rather uncontested right now, so let's expand there (although that might be more of a long-term plan). Replace the Tupolevs with Caravelles, and also, buy a boat in Rome. I like boats.

MadcapViking
Jan 6, 2006
Single malt Pork Baron

StandardVC10 posted:

Buy Caravelles as IL-14 replacement, buy DC-8s sparingly.

Seconding this plan. I agree with Krysm that we should also look to South America for our first Trans-oceanic flight, but that will require DC-8s regardless of whether we go Rome-Rio or Hong Kong-Buenos Aires, or whatever we end up doing first. Regardless, establishing a toehold in S. America would make it that much easier to establish our initial N. American routes. Therefore, more planes are our first priority. If we have the capital left over, we might as well buy a boat in Rome to take advantage of our dominance there.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
Focus on intercontinental routes. This is where the big bucks lie, and any local route by our competitors is only going to help us get more passengers. We can steal markets from them later, but right now, we should aim for cash.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
I'm going to buck the trend and say no to the Caravelle, buy DC6s forever (or until something legitimately better comes out). These newfangled jets are a fad.

We can buy two DC6s for the price of a single Caravelle, which would still let us run more flights at a lower cost per flight. The DC6s are also more flexible; some of our IL14 routes don't have the passenger load to fill up a Caravelle running full time, which would make the Caravelle a waste where we might be able to stick a DC6 in and pick up more passengers.

Also, right now we can't reach South America without piggybacking through the United States and Uncle Sam ain't gonna like that. We can reach Sydney with an L1049, though, and while we'd be competing with ConAir I think it would still be worthwhile to sponge up some more of their profits.

Also look at buying some hotels or poo poo in Hong Kong.

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger
Potential Intercontinental Connections:
pre:
From  To         Dist Cost
----  --------   ---- -----
Rome  New York   4310 29.2M
Rome  Washington 4500 10.0M
Rome  Chicago    4810 16.9M
Rome  Atlanta    5060  9.2M
Rome  Dallas     5620 11.5M

Rome  Havana     5430 13.8M
Rome  Sao Paulo  5930 34.6M
Rome  Mexico     6370 29.2M

H.K.  Vancouver  6430 15.4M
H.K.  L.A.       7310 22.7M

H.K.  Mexico     8870 36.6M

Cairo Sao Paulo  6370 41.5M
Cairo Havana     6750 20.8M
Even with the DC8-30, our options for oceans are still limited to Europe->N.A.->S.A, though we now have more options a US hub. Direct flights to South America are almost possible, but still out of reach, and trans-pacific flights are a ways off.

Techno Remix
Feb 13, 2012

Gabriel Pope posted:

Also look at buying some hotels or poo poo in Hong Kong.

This is a good plan. AirRan is performing pretty solidly with its existing routes and needs to enter a phase of building capital. Gather up some physical assets and let those become a secondary income engine. Expand routes when money allows and start switching over to Caravelles and maybe a DC-8 if you think there's a further out route that will bring in the big bucks, but buy up some hotels and shuttle services. Expand AirRan's brand.

The Casualty
Sep 29, 2006
Security Clearance: Pop Secret


Whiny baby

Gabriel Pope posted:

I'm going to buck the trend and say no to the Caravelle, buy DC6s forever (or until something legitimately better comes out). These newfangled jets are a fad.

We can buy two DC6s for the price of a single Caravelle, which would still let us run more flights at a lower cost per flight. The DC6s are also more flexible; some of our IL14 routes don't have the passenger load to fill up a Caravelle running full time, which would make the Caravelle a waste where we might be able to stick a DC6 in and pick up more passengers.

Also, right now we can't reach South America without piggybacking through the United States and Uncle Sam ain't gonna like that. We can reach Sydney with an L1049, though, and while we'd be competing with ConAir I think it would still be worthwhile to sponge up some more of their profits.

Also look at buying some hotels or poo poo in Hong Kong.

You're forgetting that slots are worth their weight in gold. Caravelles can do the same job on fewer slots.

I say buy some Caravelles and use them on our highest capacity short hops. You'll get more flights per plane and in most cases that means more passengers per route, and more money for us! Keep what IL-14s and DC-6s we replace in reserve and use as required.

We have good routes right now but we also have some slots left over in unopened cities, so let's expand only into cities which we've bought slots for already and purchase businesses in our hub cities, prioritizing HK and Rome.

Also, Papeete will not be a booming tourist destination for much longer, that ship has sailed. Do not bother with Papeete.
(In this game, cities only get the tourist boom perk for about a year, max)

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

The Casualty posted:

You're forgetting that slots are worth their weight in gold. Caravelles can do the same job on fewer slots.

You've got it backwards: Caravelles let you consume more slots per plane. Being cash strapped that could theoretically be useful since we'd have to buy fewer planes, but the Caravelles cost twice as much and can only run ~1.5 times as many flights so it's not actually cost-efficient. They're both 80 seaters, so they have the same revenue per flight, but the DC6 is slightly more efficient so it gets us marginally more profit per slot and our up-front order cost is lower per slot too.

Vexrm
Feb 2, 2009

Full of hot raspberry jam blooded passion.
Look I know nothing about planes, but I do know boats.

Give that guy his boat. Finally.

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger
I regret to remind the shareholders that there are no boats in Rome. Rome's remaining businesses are 2 Museums, a Small Hotel, a Bus Service and a Travel Agency.

Cities in network possessing Boats:
pre:
City      Type          Cost
----      ------------- ------
Athens    Pleasure Boat  61.2M
Bombay    Ferry         105.0M
Hong Kong Pleasure Boat  43.7M
Shanghai  Pleasure Boat  52.5M
Shanghai  Ferry         105.0M

The Casualty
Sep 29, 2006
Security Clearance: Pop Secret


Whiny baby

Gabriel Pope posted:

You've got it backwards: Caravelles let you consume more slots per plane. Being cash strapped that could theoretically be useful since we'd have to buy fewer planes, but the Caravelles cost twice as much and can only run ~1.5 times as many flights so it's not actually cost-efficient. They're both 80 seaters, so they have the same revenue per flight, but the DC6 is slightly more efficient so it gets us marginally more profit per slot and our up-front order cost is lower per slot too.

Eh... I hadn't had my coffee yet.

The Merry Marauder
Apr 4, 2009

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."

A_Raving_Loon posted:

Cities in network possessing Boats:

It seems only just that Persians buy Greek boats.

MadcapViking
Jan 6, 2006
Single malt Pork Baron

The Merry Marauder posted:

It seems only just that Persians buy Greek boats.

If we can't have Roman boats, Greek boats will have to do.

Krysmphoenix
Jul 29, 2010
Okay, once again changing my vote (and striking out my previous post). Let's make progress for Africa -> South America. That seems like the easiest way to break into the Americas, and South America is also completely untouched. If we can get in, that means a few turns of complete monopoly to us.

Poulpe
Nov 11, 2006
Canadian Santa Extraordinaire
Man, I've really enjoyed reading this thread as I tried playing Aerobiz as a kid and it never made sense to me, but I'm seriously having trouble figuring out how AirRan is to surpass the Americans :psyduck:

They're pulling in nearly three times our revenue every turn, how can you catch up when they can liberally buy improved aircraft and superior routes?

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger
The main equalizer there is that no matter how much more money they're bringing in, they still only have four agents to claim time with. That, along with there only being so much world to connect and people to move across it, will slow them down. As long as we're bringing in enough to keep building our network, and eventually to push into their territory, we're in the game.

Depending on how good the AIs are at invading each other, we may start to see the scales shift once ConAir gets some US routes open.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Krysmphoenix posted:

Okay, once again changing my vote (and striking out my previous post). Let's make progress for Africa -> South America. That seems like the easiest way to break into the Americas, and South America is also completely untouched. If we can get in, that means a few turns of complete monopoly to us.

Yes, but both continents are also awful. We want to set up outside the third world while jets are still a luxury. Later our passenger numbers there will be high enough to justify the investment, but not yet.

The Casualty
Sep 29, 2006
Security Clearance: Pop Secret


Whiny baby

Jazerus posted:

Yes, but both continents are also awful. We want to set up outside the third world while jets are still a luxury. Later our passenger numbers there will be high enough to justify the investment, but not yet.

Yeah if anything we should be looking to Oceania next, seeing as Hong Kong to Sydney is a gangbuster of a route, and that region constantly pops tourist booms.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Then let's go with Greek boats.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


Buy a Shanghai Pleasure Boat.

It will make everyone feel awkward every time they see it on the expense report. Alternatively, buy a massage parlor called the Shanghai Pleasure Boat. It's a completely legitimate venture!

The Casualty
Sep 29, 2006
Security Clearance: Pop Secret


Whiny baby
You guys are obsessed! This is Aerobiz, not Searobiz! :v:

The Merry Marauder
Apr 4, 2009

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."
Look at this guy who doesn't realize this is the Dawn of the Jet Ski Age.



One of the elite "jet-ski set" at play

MiltonSlavemasta
Feb 12, 2009

And the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon
Little boy blue and the man on the moon
"When you coming home, dad?"
"I don't know when
We'll get together then son you know we'll have a good time then."
I'm going to buck the trend of support for my own idea and say Wait for boats. Boats in good cities are much too expensive right now. New cities are also too expensive right now; I say Don't expand to any new cities. We're poor and need cashflow, but we have good routes. Here is what I suggest.

Buy DC6s. Remember Brand Loyalty! If we get enough DC6s, and maybe sell off an Ilyushin or two, we can put ourselves in a position to save over 5 million dollars on every DC8-30 we buy. Also, historically, the DC8-30 had problems and was quickly superseded by the DC8-40 and DC8-50 due to airline complaints, and these were both superior planes. Feeding DC6s to our good routes while amassing money will put us in a position to drop DC8-40/50s on big intercontinental routes in 1961 for an entirely non-trivial discount. I just don't see the money in the balance sheet for exploiting new intercontinental routes with longer-ranged planes or buying boats at this time. With the amount of money we'd spend on boats, we could buy 5 DC6s, and in our current position, it's not hard for DC6s to pay for themselves.

We currently only use planes from two manufacturers, and one has no planes for sale and hasn't announced any. We need to show loyalty to Mcdonnel-Douglas. Buy no Caravelles. They dilute our brand, come from an upstart no-name French company, and can never be assigned to our big-money routes. And they're 30 million loving dollars each. We're much better off buying DC6s, then once the discount kicks in (and is maybe manually helped later on by selling off those old Ilyushins), we can buy DC8 series planes that will let us be a real Jumbo Jet airline.

Remember what Gabriel Pope Said:

Gabriel Pope posted:

You've got it backwards: Caravelles let you consume more slots per plane. Being cash strapped that could theoretically be useful since we'd have to buy fewer planes, but the Caravelles cost twice as much and can only run ~1.5 times as many flights so it's not actually cost-efficient. They're both 80 seaters, so they have the same revenue per flight, but the DC6 is slightly more efficient so it gets us marginally more profit per slot and our up-front order cost is lower per slot too.

So DC6s make us more money now, and will help us get a 10% discount on the DC8 series, which has a good plane right now and historically became significantly better.

DC8-30 vs. Caravelle Comparison
pre:
   
             Price   Price Per Seat  CTRBL(1)     Range  Maintenance Effiency(2)  Fuel Economy(2)
DC8-30       52800k  371.43k          77000k      5120   57                       30

Caravelle    30000k  375.00k         360000k      1500   74                       81

1: This is the cost to reach brand loyalty by buying the cheapest available planes from the manufacturer, 
assuming we sell off none of our Ilyushins.

2: Higher=Better.

Caravelle does win on Maintenance and Fuel costs, but that's about it, and they can never be assigned to our big-money routes with that piddly range, really putting a damper on our flexibility.

We need to expand our existing profitable routes as much as possible. We've got planes to buy.

MiltonSlavemasta fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Feb 28, 2014

MadcapViking
Jan 6, 2006
Single malt Pork Baron
poo poo. I'd forgotten about the Brand Loyalty bonus. Uh. Changing my vote to DC6s instead of Caravelles, still in favor of sparingly buying DC8-30s. We should also buy more time in our profitable routes, and look to expand to Sydney once we have the capital. I still think we should buy a boat somewhere. It doesn't have to be Greek.

xelada
Dec 21, 2012
Isn't everyone going through Tehran? And don't properties produce more money the more planes go there, ergo buying properties in Tehran might be an idea. Plus one of our most prolific routes uses Tehran so that might also help.

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A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger
The remaining businesses in Tehran are a $7M Art Pavilion and a $112M Commuter Airline.

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