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Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
http://www.moetron.com/2014/03/10/inou-battle-wa-nichijou-kei-no-naka-de-anime-adaptation-from-trigger/



This site actually has character preview images. I did a search for the manga, but it appears to be so unknown to the west that the announcement of an anime adaptation pretty much became the top result on Google.

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aers
Feb 15, 2012

ViggyNash posted:

That's honestly what I think they should do. As awesome as KLK's style is, the budget issues are really apparent. Maybe it'll be their Haruhi and they'll end up swimming in money, who knows.

megax can tell you more but anime doesn't work this way. Studios don't make a ton of money from LN adaptations due to the way anime is funded (production committees etc).

Also KLK doesn't have budget issues.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Dehry posted:

http://www.moetron.com/2014/03/10/inou-battle-wa-nichijou-kei-no-naka-de-anime-adaptation-from-trigger/



This site actually has character preview images. I did a search for the manga, but it appears to be so unknown to the west that the announcement of an anime adaptation pretty much became the top result on Google.

So, literally Dark Flame Master.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

aers posted:

Also KLK doesn't have budget issues.

To expand, KLK doesn't use shortcuts because they have no money, it uses shortcuts because they don't have nearly enough staff.

ultimatemegax
Feb 20, 2006

Damn Kiva symbols....

aers posted:

megax can tell you more but anime doesn't work this way. Studios don't make a ton of money from LN adaptations due to the way anime is funded (production committees etc).

Also KLK doesn't have budget issues.

KLK has scheduling issues (as has become apparent by all the delays for simulcasting). The lack of quality that's been touted as "Aniplex giving Trigger a small budget" is due to a new company not being able to schedule a 20+ episode series (which is why it's kinda stupid to give them that amount of time, but eh).

Most anime studios don't make a ton of money to begin with. Sunrise, IG, and KyoAni are the big names from late night series that make the most money, but you'll see Pierrot and Toei make money from their daytime series due to being on those production committees and getting money from merch revenue. Khara and Ghibli are their own little worlds where they can self-fund creations. The other studios may contribute some (and get some back) from committees, but a lot don't even do that. Even original series only benefit the studio some if they hold the "original creator" title that'll give them some revenue back from literally everything.

Trigger's parent company is on the committee for KLK, but they aren't. They may get some of that flowing down to them or not. They'll get a good check as part of the "original creator" but that's all that is guaranteed.

LN adaptations are done when a publisher wants to promote a series. GA Bunko (that publisher) doesn't often get on the committee (I've seen Softbank Creative, their parent company on a couple though). This will be mostly funded by a video/audio distrubtor. Ultra Super Pictures should get some revenue from it, but who knows about Trigger themselves.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



The delays have nothing to do with scheduling. All the official non english translations have been delivered on time although the quality of them is pretty much speed subs more than anything.

Trigger does have staff that could pump really good animation, the issue is that they keep farming off people to work on other studios larger projects. I had assume that with valvrave and yozakura ending last season they could concentrate their efforts on KLK but instead opt in to work on yet another derivative LN adaptation :(.

ultimatemegax
Feb 20, 2006

Damn Kiva symbols....

Cao Ni Ma posted:

The delays have nothing to do with scheduling. All the official non english translations have been delivered on time although the quality of them is pretty much speed subs more than anything.

Trigger does have staff that could pump really good animation, the issue is that they keep farming off people to work on other studios larger projects. I had assume that with valvrave and yozakura ending last season they could concentrate their efforts on KLK but instead opt in to work on yet another derivative LN adaptation :(.

From someone who knows a lot more about this than either of us:

"Justin Sevakis posted:

Anime TV production schedules are insane, and often times a new episode is finished only hours before it's supposed to premiere. That isn't enough time to translate, timecode the subtitle script, proof-read, submit for approval, wait for any changes from the licensor, implement those changes, and export. It's just not. Hence, simulcasts occasionally get delayed.

There are occasions where a non-English subtitled version gets put up before the English one. I'm not entirely sure why this is, but I do know that most licensors don't have staff that speak every language (usually just English), and so the approvals process for those languages is probably greatly diminished compared to English, if they even have to get approvals at all.

With that step removed from the subtitle process, things would indeed go a lot faster, and result in a lot fewer delays.

With Samurai Flamenco of all things coming out on time (pre-screenings have reported that storyboards were shown because it wasn't done then), it points back to delays with Trigger being the cause. There's been weeks where an episode is on time and weeks where it gets delayed more than 36 hours, which really says "something's going on with scheduling" more than "something's wrong with Aniplex." None of the other Aniplex titles have been delayed this much (maybe a couple hours iirc).

The second half of your post points to why the scheduling is so poor: management has allocated too few people in little time to work on it. Nothing to do with "budget" at all.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

Where is his other eye? :confused:

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



ultimatemegax posted:

From someone who knows a lot more about this than either of us:


With Samurai Flamenco of all things coming out on time (pre-screenings have reported that storyboards were shown because it wasn't done then), it points back to delays with Trigger being the cause. There's been weeks where an episode is on time and weeks where it gets delayed more than 36 hours, which really says "something's going on with scheduling" more than "something's wrong with Aniplex." None of the other Aniplex titles have been delayed this much (maybe a couple hours iirc).

The second half of your post points to why the scheduling is so poor: management has allocated too few people in little time to work on it. Nothing to do with "budget" at all.
I know that, its just that you are saying that the delays in the translations are directly attributed to that when thats not been the case for the other 4 languages the anime is getting simulcasted in.

I do not doubt that they are cutting it close, but this is an issue with just about every anime that gets released now days.

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Trigger does have staff that could pump really good animation, the issue is that they keep farming off people to work on other studios larger projects. I had assume that with valvrave and yozakura ending last season they could concentrate their efforts on KLK but instead opt in to work on yet another derivative LN adaptation :(.

They probably have a situation like Wayforward. They pump out licensed games constantly to fund their own series. It's not as glamorous, but at the end of the day they get a paycheck.

ultimatemegax
Feb 20, 2006

Damn Kiva symbols....

Cao Ni Ma posted:

I know that, its just that you are saying that the delays in the translations are directly attributed to that when thats not been the case for the other 4 languages the anime is getting simulcasted in.

I do not doubt that they are cutting it close, but this is an issue with just about every anime that gets released now days.
When a show that we know has scheduling problems comes out on time every week in multiple languages, but another show is variable in its delay for English, that would indicate it has worse scheduling than the other show. That's really the only explanation that makes sense.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



ultimatemegax posted:

When a show that we know has scheduling problems comes out on time every week in multiple languages, but another show is variable in its delay for English, that would indicate it has worse scheduling than the other show. That's really the only explanation that makes sense.

Its still being released on time without any major fuckups on the main market though. When I hear scheduling issues or any form of big production issues its the case where the episode is literally not finished by the time it has to go on air on one of the earlier release stations.

When I'm talking about them redoubling their work on KLK I mean keep the schedule but make the thing look better. Not make the thing look the same but finish it earlier.

Irritated Goat
Mar 12, 2005

This post is pathetic.
:stare:

This season is the best and worst combined.

On one hand, we have Jojo and Mushi-shi. On the other, Dragonar Academy and a pervy mecha show. :sigh:



ultimatemegax posted:

When a show that we know has scheduling problems comes out on time every week in multiple languages, but another show is variable in its delay for English, that would indicate it has worse scheduling than the other show. That's really the only explanation that makes sense.

Seeing as I recently learned about how close the episodes are finished before they air, I can't blame Aniplex but there's an issue somewhere with scheduling for sure. With basic knowledge of the languages, spanish is completed on time and is slightly easier. If 1 language can be on time and others are not, I'd be looking at the next step down from Trigger. Are they incapable? No, not at all. I think they just need another person to assist maybe. :(

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Irritated Goat posted:

a pervy mecha show. :sigh:

Hey Godannar was pretty good. This one looks poo poo though.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

Trigger should just go to Kickstarter for all their series instead of the traditional model. Then we can get more stuff like Inferno Cop :getin:

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

ADTRW Anime of 2014 Maoucdonalds taught me that no matter how dumb a LN premise sounds, it can still be good. I'll give it a chance for the Trigger part at least.

MadHat
Mar 31, 2011

Rodyle posted:

ADTRW Anime of 2014 Maoucdonalds taught me that no matter how dumb a LN premise sounds, it can still be good. I'll give it a chance for the Trigger part at least.

Interesting related note, the same Artist did the LN covers for both Maoucdonalds and this new Trigger adaption.

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013

Rodyle posted:

ADTRW Anime of 2014 Maoucdonalds taught me that no matter how dumb a LN premise sounds, it can still be good. I'll give it a chance for the Trigger part at least.

Yeah that's my reasoning for watching the show. Also it could be another Chunni sort of show which I am fine with.

Butt Frosted Cake
Dec 27, 2010

Irritated Goat posted:

:stare:

This season is the best and worst combined.

On one hand, we have Jojo and Mushi-shi. On the other, Dragonar Academy and a pervy mecha show. :sigh:

You know what? It's actually kind of impressive you managed to make a hyperbole out of "average".

devtesla
Jan 2, 2012


Grimey Drawer
As you may already know, there are two ways to judge the value of a light novel: title length and covers. Lets begin by comparing title length to one good light novel and three bad ones:

code:
Inou-Battle in the Usually Daze
The Devil is a Part Timer
My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute
The "Hentai" Prince and the Stony Cat
I Couldn’t Become a Hero, So I Reluctantly Decided to Get a Job
As you can see, it isn't long enough to reach LN title hell, but it's still basically a synopsis. (worth noting: The Devil is a Part Timer actually has a great title in the original Japanese: Hataraku Maō-sama)

The second is how close the cover of the books looks like pornography. The Devil is a Part Timer actually puts the main, male character on there in a central role that goes beyond angrily peaking out behind one of the women. If you caught the covers for Inou-Battle, you'll see that holding one of those in America might get you arrested.

So yea, even before it became an anime The Devil is a Part Timer was a pretty good story based around a funny observation (that Satan would actually make a good part timer) and a cast that appeals to a wide audience. "They have superpowers, but they never have battles??" doesn't have the same kind of hook, and the cast is designed around the taste of narrow group of viewers.

One thing I notice tho: this a tragic choice for Trigger, but if KoyAni picked it up people might actually get excited.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Watch them go full Inferno Cop on it.

Butt Frosted Cake
Dec 27, 2010

It probably won't be good, but it's not an entirely hopeless premise. Hemingway wrote a slice of life light novel about a guy who got his dick shot off, a ln about impotent superheroes could work.

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
I can't read Japanese all that well, but I thought I would try to discern what was happening from the images, but apparently that's an actual novel. Other than a picture of a girl drawing Neo-Dark Flame Master's weird tatoo thing, it coming alive and him opening a bag of chips while using his power level, I can't tell what is going on.

E: Some out of context illustrations

(Totally not Rikka's sister)

E2: I found a preview of the Manga (first issue is out on the 27th) and from what I am getting:

Dark Flame Master is just that.
The girl in the upper left seems to control a water element.
The lower left girl has a healing ability.
The lower right girl does a princess thing going on and has psychic powers.
Red haired girl on the cover has time control powers.

Dehry fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Mar 12, 2014

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Dehry posted:

The lower left girl has a healing ability.

Having a healing ability and not actually doing much with it seems pretty morally irresponsible.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

I'm fully expecting them to find a rival club at another school that also has superpowers by roughly volume 4 or so. After about a volume of superpower fights or whatever they return to status quo except the MC gets 4 more harem members

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022

Dehry posted:

(Totally not Rikka's sister)

Well, yeah, that's pretty clearly two dudes.

Xythar
Dec 22, 2004

echoes of a contemporary nation

Silver2195 posted:

Having a healing ability and not actually doing much with it seems pretty morally irresponsible.

What, now you're demanding healing handouts from our superpower generators? Sounds like you need to read Atlas Shrugged a few times.

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer

Super Jay Mann posted:

I'm fully expecting them to find a rival club at another school that also has superpowers by roughly volume 4 or so. After about a volume of superpower fights or whatever they return to status quo except the MC gets 4 more harem members

Book 3 has an illustration that looks like some new group

Silver2195 posted:

Having a healing ability and not actually doing much with it seems pretty morally irresponsible.

Her ability is introduced by healing a dead cat.

E:

4chan user posted:

Might as well add the names and power names, from top left
Hatoko Kushikawa, Over Element (五帝, Five Emperors)
Jurai Andou, Dark and Dark (黒焰, Black Flame)
Sayumi Takanashi, Root Of Origin (始原, Origin)
Chifuyu Himeki, World Create (創世, World Creation)
Not shown is the girl on the cover:
Tomoyo Kanzaki, Closed Clock (永遠, Eternity)

Dehry fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Mar 12, 2014

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013

The Devil Tesla posted:

As you may already know, there are two ways to judge the value of a light novel: title length and covers. Lets begin by comparing title length to one good light novel and three bad ones:

code:
Inou-Battle in the Usually Daze
The Devil is a Part Timer
My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute
The "Hentai" Prince and the Stony Cat
I Couldn’t Become a Hero, So I Reluctantly Decided to Get a Job
As you can see, it isn't long enough to reach LN title hell, but it's still basically a synopsis. (worth noting: The Devil is a Part Timer actually has a great title in the original Japanese: Hataraku Maō-sama)

The second is how close the cover of the books looks like pornography. The Devil is a Part Timer actually puts the main, male character on there in a central role that goes beyond angrily peaking out behind one of the women. If you caught the covers for Inou-Battle, you'll see that holding one of those in America might get you arrested.

So yea, even before it became an anime The Devil is a Part Timer was a pretty good story based around a funny observation (that Satan would actually make a good part timer) and a cast that appeals to a wide audience. "They have superpowers, but they never have battles??" doesn't have the same kind of hook, and the cast is designed around the taste of narrow group of viewers.

One thing I notice tho: this a tragic choice for Trigger, but if KoyAni picked it up people might actually get excited.

Yo dude are you seriously using the English translations to compare. Hell you even pointed that Maou Sama has a decent Japanese name. That's doubly silly.

I think this is probably going to something silly and entertaining and it's not really "tragic" that Trigger is animating it. Hell Trigger will probably make the whole thing fun to watch anyway and isn't that why we watch anime in the first place?

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Dehry posted:

I can't read Japanese all that well, but I thought I would try to discern what was happening from the images, but apparently that's an actual novel. Other than a picture of a girl drawing Neo-Dark Flame Master's weird tatoo thing, it coming alive and him opening a bag of chips while using his power level, I can't tell what is going on.

E: Some out of context illustrations

(Totally not Rikka's sister)

E2: I found a preview of the Manga (first issue is out on the 27th) and from what I am getting:

Dark Flame Master is just that.
The girl in the upper left seems to control a water element.
The lower left girl has a healing ability.
The lower right girl does a princess thing going on and has psychic powers.
Red haired girl on the cover has time control powers.

They literally describe the male character as a Chuunibyou, so it's even less creative than previously thought.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Dehry posted:

Book 3 has an illustration that looks like some new group


Her ability is introduced by healing a dead cat.

E:

...She can resurrect the dead, but spends all of her time doing some dumb larp harem poo poo? I thought that the line about her being reprehensible was a bit much, but now I kind of agree.

Irritated Goat
Mar 12, 2005

This post is pathetic.

Serious Frolicking posted:

...She can resurrect the dead, but spends all of her time doing some dumb larp harem poo poo? I thought that the line about her being reprehensible was a bit much, but now I kind of agree.

This honestly sounds dumb as all hell. :allears: Trigger will make it better. I'm sure of it.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012

Allarion posted:

Chaika the Coffin Princess I'll probably watch out of the hopes it'll be good like Scrapped Princess was.

I just finished watching Scrapped Princess, and I agree that if Chaika the Coffin Princess is anything like that it'll be pretty good.

devtesla
Jan 2, 2012


Grimey Drawer

boredsatellite posted:

Yo dude are you seriously using the English translations to compare. Hell you even pointed that Maou Sama has a decent Japanese name. That's doubly silly.

Yes my post is very silly.

aers
Feb 15, 2012

http://www.m3-project.com/

New spring show.

Director: Junichi Sato
Series Comp: Mari Okada
Mecha Design: Shoji Kawamori
Studio: Satelight

Sato why, why this.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

I'm willing to give the new Trigger show a chance, if only because "teens with superpowers gently caress around and do inane poo poo" describes the best parts of JJBA part 4, and it wouldn't be fair to dismiss the show on that alone.

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

Zorak posted:

Spring 2014 or later G-Reconquista
There is no way this is happening this season, QUIT LYING TO ME MOONPHASE YOU LITTLE poo poo.
:neckbeard: ADTRW Thread
Apparently Tomino is going to have a little sit down at TAAF on the 21st and they're going preview a new gundam project. Considering there's another gundam announcement at AnimeJapan on the next day I doubt it's going to be Gundam-san or The Origin.

Zorak
Nov 7, 2005

Guyver posted:

Apparently Tomino is going to have a little sit down at TAAF on the 21st and they're going preview a new gundam project. Considering there's another gundam announcement at AnimeJapan on the next day I doubt it's going to be Gundam-san or The Origin.

Yeah, but theres no way itll be slotted for spring. Fall maybe.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Didn't he joke at one point that he didn't think he'd be able to get the storyboard done by spring and that fall would be the most likely release?

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Ezzum
Mar 13, 2014

For Now
Looks like an okay season. I was really excited for MushiShi s2, but the special kind of tempered my enthusiasm. It was pretty, but didn't quite match up in terms of narrative to the first season.

Hopefully it really is as good.

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