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i am planning to switch my web server vps from ubuntu server, which it's been running since 2013, to centos, and upgrade it from 256mb to 512mb of ram. i'm also planning to switch from apache to nginx what do i need to know about ubuntu -> centos other than my old os was a pos (moospos)
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# ¿ Feb 18, 2025 22:56 |
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this all seems overly complicated for something hosting a mostly static website with my photos on it and an irssi instance. maybe i'll just use debain
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or: i'll configure it by hand because it's worked fine for years and i have no need to deploy my portfolio to a hundred load-balancing aws instances
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quote:Chef is a configuration management tool written in Ruby and Erlang. It uses a pure-Ruby, domain-specific language (DSL) for writing system configuration "recipes". quote:In computing, Puppet is an open source configuration management utility. It runs on many Unix-like systems as well as on Microsoft Windows, and includes its own declarative language to describe system configuration. quote:Ansible is an open-source software platform for configuring and managing computers. It combines multi-node software deployment, ad hoc task execution, and configuration management.[1] It manages nodes over SSH or PowerShell and requires Python (2.4 or later) [2] to be installed on them. Modules work over JSON and standard output and can be written in any programming language. The system uses YAML to express reusable descriptions of systems. hm ya becuase that's what i, an art major, need for my $5.06/month web site: programming my own configuration management
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it's not a static website (i'll be using a portfolio CMS called koken, switching from indexhibit after extracting my $30 worth of blood from that stone), but it looks like to use what you're suggesting I'd be spending more time than it takes working at my job to earn the website's yearly hosting cost. "Hey I'm looking to upgrade from my old shitbox to a honda fit. What do I need to know" "You need a dodge viper, idiot. If you can't afford one maybe you shouldn't be driving" ![]()
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:"i want to operate a commercial beer distributor, do you think a honda fit will work?" "i want to move a chair from my dad's place. how do I keep it from scuffing the seats" "you need to hire a teamster-operated truck. make sure you get to know the driver in case you need to use them in the future. it'll probably only cost $500-600"
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Cocoa Crispies posted:what you want is probably a wordpress.com account i've been dealing with wordpress since high school. i wish to be done with wordpress. especially attempting to do any sort of theme/extension management to turn it into a workable portfolio and if it gets hacked, worst case scenario they turn my vps into a zombie for a little while until the hosting provider catches it, and i have to spend a little while fixing it
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configuration management? in my day we called those full disk backups
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:on your single host, you run puppet or chef locally Notorious b.s.d. posted:if/when you have some enterprise-y needs down the line, )
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if you don't know ruby you probably want to use puppet instead of chef. puppet is just as good, and in some ways better. most notably: you do not have to learn ruby I tried to learn Python in high school and couldn't wrap my head around writing code in it, if that tells you anything.
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i like lxde
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:on an irssi vm i might understand not bothering, seeing as there is nothing to configure, no services running, and nothing to maintain. set it to patch itself and you're done, right? i'm not running django for my SEO business and online brand or something like that. i'm running koken. i don't understand what you think is going to be so difficult about this.
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celeron 300a posted:Stick with ubuntu if it works for you, but if you really want to go CentOS then it's like other people have said - yum instead of apt-get. CentOS 7 also comes with systemd which also takes care of service starting/stopping... if you used tools like update-rc.d then that will change too. thank you for answering my original question ![]() systemd is cool in my book
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:cfg mgmt isn't just about repeatability my configuration version management is: revise it until it works, then don't touch it. my strategy for moving to a new vm/vps after this is: don't
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:computer janitoring is the art and science of confronting inevitable failure. for some reason you have elected to join our despondent chorus, and yet at the same time you cannot embrace the horrible truth: your poo poo will break, and you will be on the hook to gently caress with it thats weird i've been running indexhibit for two years and it's only broken when i've touched it
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"So what's the deal with Linux wifi?" - jary sinefield
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i have a Stupid Linux Question i was wondering if yall might be able to answer I want to do two things: 1. keep using windows on my desktop, allowing for playing video james and poo poo but: 2. also run linux on it, so I can do GPGPU poo poo simultaneously/when I'm not playing video games is there any way to do a passthrough thing with windows that I can turn off, or switch windows to intel graphics when I need the GPU for linux basically just swap the graphics card between two running (or temporarily suspended) VMs thank
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ratbert90 posted:With two GPU's it's possible to do this the other way around: https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough from what i read it's definitely possible to run linux on the intel as the main, with windows getting pci passthrough to the gpu but i need to be able to switch 'em alternate option: low-endish nvidia card for linux so I can run CUDA too
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:run your videogames on linux. No Shaggar posted:do the gpgpu poo poo on windows No Mr Dog posted:Not going to happen, GPUs are really stateful. I'm okay with shutting down whatever to switch/reinitialize gpu but it's looking like a secondary gpu will be the easiest way
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I run Windows not just for the video games, but because it's the industry standard operating system. Also I need to use Adobe products.
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sorry, industry standard for usersCocoa Crispies posted:have you tried the world's most advanced operating system, mac os x? you can get the entire adobe creative suite there, and it doesn't come with ads for candy crunch or a defective full-screen calculator app either I've considered it, but apparently the sound won't work on my computer.
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apparently the HD Graphics 4600 thing attached to my 4790k does 60% as well as a Titan in certain OpenCL things. too bad 3/4ths of the useful poo poo seems to be CUDA
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talos principle also happens to be the best game
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what wrong with debain? why fedora good
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bug report: selecting the fedora server minimum install, and instructing it to install "text-based web browsers", "editors", and other add-on packages, does not install any web browsers, editors, or add-on packages, leaving it useless when you have to have a web browser to auth the wifi you're using
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OK no matter what media I try and how I tell it to install, fedora ends up installing a broken, less-than-minimal system with no network connectivity whatsoever and no apparent ability to get any. there's no loving tracert, let alone any web browsers or anything approximating anything useful. and I can't get it to install any of the packages it should've from the install media, because it can't synchronize the cache for the Fedora repo it can't reach because it won't let me install the packages I need to let it reach that repo who the gently caress told me to use fedora edit: I think maybe the problem is that dnf won't work at all if it can't connect to the repo, even if the packages are stored locally? so it just gives up and leaves a system without any packages?
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I fixed it by authing my phone on the WiFi and turning on USB tethering for the computer so that the local installer could figure out that the concept of packages exists 2016 is the year of Linux on the desktop.
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The_Franz posted:the desktop images install just fine without a net connection I downloaded the 2gb "fedora server" image, not the net install image. I did this because all I needed was a text mode thing.
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and yeah the desktop image installs great if you love KDE or whatever
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I'm not running a dang server, and yeah I don't know what DE it uses because I stopped installing it when I saw it wouldn't let me do it without one. I'm installing Linux for the sole reason of running some poo poo that needs Torch, and the fact that the package management system just completely shits the bed if it can't sync to a repo is hilarious.
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ok i can see That Thing is happening where a linux user, angry because linux isn't working correctly, inspires anger in a linux defender, angry because the user must be doing something wrong. I decided to shrink my Windows partition on my desktop computer by 15gb and install Linux. I need the Linux to do two things:
I use reverse SSH, in this case, because I live in a dorm and use the dorm wifi. I have no wired network option (and believe me I'd loving like one). I've used Debian and various derivatives since the mid-2000s, but I've read about people using Fedora lately (especially in this thread). I asked what I should use and people said Fedora. I downloaded the Fedora Workstation image and booted it. It worked well, but offered no ability to select how I wanted to install it, and I'm not a big fan of GNOME (and didn't recognize it as such; I haven't used a desktop computer with linux since Kubuntu with KDE3, which worked great when I had a Pentium 3 laptop with 64mb of ram) and didn't really need a desktop environment anyway, so I downloaded the Fedora Server image. The dorm wifi needs a username and password put in to authorize its users, because it's stupid. It redirects the first web page loaded so the only way to get internet access is to use a web browser. "Hmm, that'll be fine, I'm installing from local media anyway," I thought. Except no matter how I instructed the installer to install it (I tried with various permutations of "minimal install" and "Fedora Server"), I ended up with a system with no packages installed, and DNF spat out an error whenever I tried to use it about not being able to synchronize the package cache with the Fedora repo. The packages were there on the drive, but DNF refused to install them from the files, too, because it didn't have internet access to synchronize with the repo. Eventually I managed to get it working by connecting to the wifi through my phone. I realized that it would be a bit of a pain in the rear end to try to cope with this poo poo without a desktop environment, so I used the newly expanded and internet-connected list to install it with LXQt. It worked fine until I tried to install the Linux drivers for my video card from AMD's website, following their instructions, and after a reboot it no longer boots in normal or recovery mode, so the point is moot. i'm thinking of installing debian
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Maximum Leader posted:youre goign to have a lot of trouble with getting wifi running without a gui believe me I tried Arch for a little while once on a testing laptop for interfacing with old computer poo poo and I loving know (that's the main reason I installed LXQt)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:lightweight desktops are also dumb as poo poo for a user like you, atomicthumbs. Not quite sure where you're coming from other than failing to read my posts (which is entirely understandable, considering my posting). I've been maintaining a VPS for quite a few years and have been using Linux without a desktop environment longer than I ever did with it. The only reason I installed one at all is to have an easier time setting up the WiFi, and to be able to use Chrome instead of using my laptop to browse the web or using w3m. also copying and pasting between terminal emulators is pretty nice too. tl;dr:
now I'm mad about linuxes. Look what you've done
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I am finding it really puzzling how y'all are contorting yourselves into defending an offline install process that doesn't work offline because of a bug.
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seriously if not for the installation thing I'd be posting here complaining about AMD drivers. I'm happy with fedora except for the installation bug.
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ratbert90 posted:Why didn't you use Cent for a server? because it's not a server and I enjoy having newish packages. CentOS is going on my VPS when I upgrade it though. Mr Dog posted:Delete what you installed, start again, install GNOME. Use GNOME Shell's menus to connect to your wifi. Use Firefox or whatever web browser it comes with to interact with your captive portal. why the gently caress would I do that, LXQt already works fine and I already used it for that
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Zom Aur posted:lol quote:me: "haha this installation process has an obnoxious bug, but I managed to get past it in a funny way, linux amirite guys?" ![]() atomicthumbs fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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i'm not sure whether i'd blame anaconda or dnf but now that i'm thinking about it, but when it was giving me categories like "editors" and "administration utilities" it was just giving me the option to install an entire package category's worth of packages at once during the installation, wasn't it.
atomicthumbs fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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# ¿ Feb 18, 2025 22:56 |
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"hmm, i want my computer to be able to do anything." runs sudo apt-get install *
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