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 Update 17: Director Rosch Vows to Personally End Pulse Menace (Polsy) Music PSICOM To Hunt L'Cie Bestiary      Datalogs  quote:The Capital of Commerce quote:Under Their Noses quote:No Way to Live  quote:People: Yaag Rosch quote:Locales: Palumpolum  quote:The Fal'Cie: Carbuncle Artix fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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A FAL'CIE CHOOSES, A L'CIE OBEYS
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Jul 3, 2014 05:01
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I had completely forgotten about Roscherioth's existence in this game. Can somebody clue me in if he ever does anything relevant because I seriously don't remember?
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Jul 3, 2014 06:49
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He does a few things near the end of the game, but he's fairly forgettable even then.
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Jul 3, 2014 07:42
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I'm pretty sure I skipped every cutscene in the game yet I still remember that Carbunkle scene. It's hilarious and seems completely out of left field. "Wait a sec the Gods that cursed me and my sister and control our very way of life, don't care about us and control our very way of life. What a revelation!!!!" And then Hope has an existential crisis about abandoning their stupid suicidal revenge mission, that will inevitably accomplish absolutely nothing. It's pretty funny.
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Jul 3, 2014 07:53
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I still don't understand why Fedule finds these characters so distasteful. Especially Snow.  Bearing in mind that we've already past the point where I know anything about this set of games, I haven't seen Snow do anything too bad.I mean, staying behind to dig up Serah is easily chalked up to "he's in love". You do stupid things when you're in love, as no shortage of books and TV shows demonstrate. And despite Hope's whining, it's not like he held a gun to Nora's head and made her fight.
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Jul 3, 2014 09:50
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The part where Lightning has her mind blown is so weird to see. It's literally about the most emotion she ever shows in this series until her own game 2 games from now! Lightning in Lightning Returns is pretty great though, at least in the sidequests.
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Jul 3, 2014 10:40
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Yapping Eevee posted:I still don't understand why Fedule finds these characters so distasteful. Especially Snow. That being said, Vanille, Lightning and Hope are just insufferable.
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Jul 3, 2014 10:43
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Artix posted:
See, Artix? This isn't a sewer level after all! It's actually a below-ground farm. Which makes the floating platforms the growing pods, I guess. To be fair though, when I first played the game, and, in fact, when I signed on to do the commentary, I thought it was just a needlessly complicated sewer as well. Guess that makes my comments about the datalogs seem rather asinine, doesn't it?
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Jul 3, 2014 17:03
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Obviously the Corps Pacifex are weak to lightning because they carry lightning rods.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:02
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According to one of the datalogs, there apparently used to be a factory that manufactured padded brassieres in Palumpolum. It shut down because of poor sales. It seems that no one in Cocoon likes Fal’cie’s.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:22
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:According to one of the datalogs, there apparently used to be a factory that manufactured padded brassieres in Palumpolum. It shut down because of poor sales. It seems that no one in Cocoon likes Fal’cie’s.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:29
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If you were worried about the commentary, it was more than fine. 9-chat was particularly entertaining. Lightning's done a little bit too good of a job channeling For such a pretty game it sure is lacking in pretty, mindblowing bosses. We fought Anima back in Chapter 2, I guess? And that was pretty much with the training wheels still on. At this point in other games in the series we've already thrown down with an Elemental Fiend, Gilgamesh, Kefka, J.E.N.O.V.A, SOMETHING. At least Chrono Cross was smart enough to have a ton of crazy poo poo happen before the sewer level half the people completely blocked out of their memory because holy poo poo PLOT.
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Jul 4, 2014 04:10
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anilEhilated posted:I don't mind Snow either. Probably on the account of him being the only character the plot actually calls out on his stupidity - the Lightning-punching-Snow scene did more for his character than his entire backstory so far. Snow's kind of great in the 'punch dudes! No consequences!' kind of way, like Barret was in FF7, but as a primary character, his development is not so fantastic.
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Jul 4, 2014 04:14
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Blastinus posted:See, Artix? This isn't a sewer level after all! It's actually a below-ground farm. Which makes the floating platforms the growing pods, I guess. Ah yes, the underground hydroponic farm which you can only enter through a sewer tunnel and a manhole, and is 99% brown walkways and water. Definitely not a sewer. (It's a loving sewer  )I dunno, the major thing I see with Carbuncle and the whole food production thing is that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it being true aside from maybe the glass platforms (which could easily be handwaved away because this is Final Fantasy XIII and even the sewer needs to be needlessly pretty). For all its talk about producing foodstuffs, there are no plants anywhere and the only evidence that something is being made down there are the occasional boxes you run past. It just stands out to me because for all the other Fal'Cie, we can directly see them doing whatever their job is. Phoenix is very clearly and obviously acting as Cocoon's sun when we fly past it at the end of Chapter 3. If you actually recognized him for the five seconds it was on screen, Kujata is clearly at a geothermal power plant. The only reason to believe that Carbuncle isn't in a sewer is because Square says so. Bellmaker posted:For such a pretty game it sure is lacking in pretty, mindblowing bosses. We fought Anima back in Chapter 2, I guess? And that was pretty much with the training wheels still on. At this point in other games in the series we've already thrown down with an Elemental Fiend, Gilgamesh, Kefka, J.E.N.O.V.A, SOMETHING. At least Chrono Cross was smart enough to have a ton of crazy poo poo happen before the sewer level half the people completely blocked out of their memory because holy poo poo PLOT. This is unfortunately true. Eidolons aside, the game tends to focus on throwing a bunch of smaller bosses at you throughout the course of a chapter instead of a big one at the end. That said, there are some major bosses coming up soon-ish. There's a pretty big boss fight at the end of Chapter 7, we'll meet the main antagonist in Chapter 9, Chapter 10 has a very fun boss fight (if not particular flashy), and once we hit Chapter 11, the game pretty much kicks it into high gear for the rest of the game. I realize that a major theme of this game tends to be "It gets better later, I swear", but it really does. 
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Jul 4, 2014 14:54
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It isnt really an excuse for 13 though, frontloading bad or boring content is prime cause for people to just drop and forget it and keep it squarely in the scorning section.
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Jul 4, 2014 17:51
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Rigged Death Trap posted:It isnt really an excuse for 13 though, frontloading bad or boring content is prime cause for people to just drop and forget it and keep it squarely in the scorning section. It's kind of funny that this happens given the massive amount of money and effort that went into ensuring that the opening was loud and pretty, and the conventional purpose of in medias res. If our narrative doesn't need to start at the beginning and the game gets interesting later, why not start there?
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Jul 6, 2014 03:20
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Microcline posted:It's kind of funny that this happens given the massive amount of money and effort that went into ensuring that the opening was loud and pretty, and the conventional purpose of in medias res. If our narrative doesn't need to start at the beginning and the game gets interesting later, why not start there? I don't think anyone would read through 20 hours' worth of datalogs to get the background information for a 5-hour game.
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Jul 6, 2014 13:35
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 So fun fact, despite having your audio drivers crash and Audacity refuse to pick up on it, Skype will pick up on said mic no problem and cause all kinds of wonderful technical issues. (thanks PoorlyWrittenNovel) Artix fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 01:36
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This is what you get for involving me in this. All my LPs have hilarious failure as their metanarative, and its bled into your's and Fedule's LP now too. Although, in all fairness I caught the hardware failure bug from Lazyfire, who caught it from Tin Tim, who in turn picked it up from KalonZombie. You're just the latest victims of it. 
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Jul 7, 2014 02:07
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Artix posted:Beautiful art. My only regret is not replacing the dot over the I with a heart.
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Jul 7, 2014 02:29
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I like how Lightning and Hope have that confused conversation like five feet away from some Flanitors. I guess they hear all sorts of things.
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Jul 8, 2014 06:08
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I-AM-E-MO-TING!
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Jul 8, 2014 09:34
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Update 18: How Many More PSICOM Troops Will Pulse L'Cie Murder Today? (Polsy) Bestiary     Datalogs quote:The Weight of Vengeance  quote:People: Cid Raines  quote:Cocoon Society: Palompolum Security Division Artix fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2014 20:37
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Gonna be honest here, I still don't hate Snow anywhere near as much as the rest of the cast (Sazh obviously excluded). There's something charming about going HURR DURR WAR IS DUMB in face of Hope's angst. Maybe it's the fact that I really dislike Hope and want to see the little poo poo suffer, who knows. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Jul 10, 2014 20:59
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One minute in and I already want to punch whoever wrote this again. It's not even that the story is bad in general, but the minutiae of the dialogue are so absofuckinglutely terrible it's hurting me to listen to it. I'm not even talking about the HOPE GIVES US HOPE nonsense, it's how every line is overwrought AND utter tripe at the same time. I think it takes some serious skill to write hours upon hours of some of the the most stilted, awkward and far too long conversations in Final Fantasy so far without saying anything. Like, the entire first minute has a single sentence that might be construed as important, which is Hope saying that his father neven listened to him. I think we haven't directly heard that before? We do know that he doesn't like his father, though? Does it really matter that he says one of the reasons out loud now? Would a "you never listened to me!" directed at his father not be far more effective, even a little dramatic (if totally cliché)? The entire thing could have therefore been excised entirely. Of course, that is true for at the very least 70% of any conversations in the game, and indeed 90% of the game in general, so I guess I'm just reiterating what everyone already knew, bringing nothing new or interesting to the table. You might call this Final Fantasy XIII, the forums post. Part of the Something Awfula Nova Crystalis Universe.
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Jul 10, 2014 21:11
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Ha ha ha, the broadcast "we have located the L'Cie!" which plays three seconds before you're surrounded is hilarious. Wait, I can see SNOW deciding to save Lightning, despite taking a job as a L'Cie hunter, but what the heck is Fang doing helping him? She works for the guys hunting and killing L'Cie, doesn't she? Did I miss a bunch of cutscenes where it was explained what's going on? (And where did she go after the cutscene/Eidolon fight? You can't tell me that she's NOT Party member number EDIT:  I got confused. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Jul 10, 2014 21:19
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As a corollary to the game not taking away your TP with the initial gestalt sequence, it didn't restore it either, and I think for dumb reasons (using Libra on everything until everything was filled out) I didn't have enough TP to resummon Shiva on my playthrough. The Orion slowly pecked away at me and won the battle of attrition after about ten minutes. It was probably partly my fault, like I didn't use Sentinel well enough or something, but it really killed the momentum of the whole "Snow rides in on Shiva motorcycle to save the day" adrenaline rush. Re: FNC talk, maybe I'm making it up but I got the impression when they rebranded Versus XIII as XV they were sort of splitting it off from the failure of Fabulous Neo Crystalism and maybe they were taking away the elements that made it such? Again, I probably made all that up. Snow is the tallest FF protagonist ever? That seems really weird, like, in a "why did they even bother focusing on that" sort of way. It's probably a symptom of the whole "focusing on creating art assets before actually creating a story" problem the whole XIII series had, though. I really like how Snow is completely oblivious to Hope angsting about literally stabbing him in the back as he runs through this level. And completely oblivious to how literally everything he says just rubs it in Hope's face. I am pretty sure there is a dude on Youtube who I was paying attention to when the game first came out who ended up eventually legit Platinuming the game, albeit like two years later in preparation for XIII-2. I think he was also one of the first people to start monetizing off of Twitch ads, though, so I don't think he would've done it if he hadn't had a legion of fans talking poo poo with him in stream chat.
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Jul 10, 2014 21:27
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:
Fang is not party member number 7. There are only six party members.
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Jul 10, 2014 21:35
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I've legit got the platinum trophy for both this game and 13-2. I also like both games, but I prefer this game overall. I regret nothing.  I've not played Lightning Returns yet, but it's on Amazon for £22. Is it worth getting at that price?
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Jul 10, 2014 21:35
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Ilyich posted:I've legit got the platinum trophy for both this game and 13-2. I also like both games, but I prefer this game overall. I regret nothing. Lightning Returns is Actually Quite Good.
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Jul 10, 2014 21:37
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Simply Simon posted:The entire thing could have therefore been excised entirely. Of course, that is true for at the very least 70% of any conversations in the game, and indeed 90% of the game in general, so I guess I'm just reiterating what everyone already knew, bringing nothing new or interesting to the table. You might call this Final Fantasy XIII, the forums post. Part of the Something Awfula Nova Crystalis Universe. I still think you need to record these tirades; the contrast of your soothing voice and the frothing at the mouth rage would be enjoyable. Also you'd probably be relegated to DLC in the Trilogy. Stuff people would want (like Ultros and Gilgamesh) but not want enough to encourage Square to make more of this garbage. Wild Knight posted:Snow is the tallest FF protagonist ever? That seems really weird, like, in a "why did they even bother focusing on that" sort of way. It's probably a symptom of the whole "focusing on creating art assets before actually creating a story" problem the whole XIII series had, though. Its strange, Final Fantasy games in the past were filled with trite things, like blood type and other minutia. They didn't even bother with that bit of trivia. Just "Hey, this guy is tall" and "Hey, he's a jive mother" and "She's an anime"
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Jul 10, 2014 21:38
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Spikey posted:Fang is not party member number 7. Hold on, let me count... Lightning, Sahz, Snow, Hope, Vanille... oh. I got confused.
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Jul 10, 2014 21:52
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FeyerbrandX posted:Its strange, Final Fantasy games in the past were filled with trite things, like blood type and other minutia. They didn't even bother with that bit of trivia. Just "Hey, this guy is tall" and "Hey, he's a jive mother" and "She's an anime" In Japan, its an old cultural myth that blood type determined personality. It was character profile shorthand for "he's the hero" or "he's kind of an rear end in a top hat", etc that was lost when it was translated. 
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Jul 10, 2014 21:53
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nine-gear crow posted:In Japan, its an old cultural myth that blood type determined personality. It was character profile shorthand for "he's the hero" or "he's kind of an rear end in a top hat", etc that was lost when it was translated. I know, and it's hilarious that they seemingly actively omitted it for FFXIII. No "Leader" "Anti-Hero" or some other archetype stuff here, just "Tall crazy hobo-looking guy" "Afro Man" and "Cloudette"
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Jul 10, 2014 21:58
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Man, you guys are so wrong about Snow. He is the third best party member (after Sazh and Frocobo) because he just doesn't give a poo poo about all the anime going on around him. He knows he's just a dumb lug that's good at punchin' people, so that's what he's gonna do. He's gonna punch some people, save his Fianceé and try and keep as many people out of the way as possible. Granted, this may also be colored by the fact that I experienced XIII-2 before XIII, and his role in the sequel is simultaneously so much more amazing and stupid than it is in this one.
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Jul 10, 2014 22:03
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Two moments had me laughing out loud in this update. The first was Snow just Launching everyone as the final blow, because it made him look like a total badass while being absolutely ridiculous. The second was the entire last conversation, which would've probably been fine enough as is but the whole "oh, like your mother" commentary only made it even better, and I thank you guys for that. To be honest though, it only made me actually like Snow a bit more. He's got good intentions, even if he's an idiot. Though then again, the moments I've liked him are those that put him in direct contrast with Lightning and Hope, who are awful, so he might just look good by comparison. Also that entrance on the Shiva bike was loving awesome, and more proof that this game is incredibly stupid, but it sure is pretty.
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Jul 10, 2014 22:04
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FeyerbrandX posted:I still think you need to record these tirades; the contrast of your soothing voice and the frothing at the mouth rage would be enjoyable. Also you'd probably be relegated to DLC in the Trilogy. Stuff people would want (like Ultros and Gilgamesh) but not want enough to encourage Square to make more of this garbage. Anyway, I definitely enjoy the Shiva entry, it's one of the best moments in the game because it's legitimately awesome and Snow doesn't talk. This could have been the entire game (gameplay optional, they want to make movies anyway). Nah seriously - it's great. Until you realize that the next 15 minutes will be spent fighting the same three enemy types again and again in slightly different setups. With the worst party in the game. THEN you realize that it's more than 15 minutes  .
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Jul 10, 2014 22:19
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Simply Simon posted:I guess I could always guest if the need arises? Unless it would be appreciated if I record my posts and put them on tindeck, seems a little masturbatory to me though (okay I've done it before but it feels honestly kinda lame). We'll have you on eventually. We still have four videos to record in Chapter 7, and I've already got someone booked for 8, but 9 and 10 are both wide open right now. Shoot me a PM if you're interested. Ilyich posted:I've not played Lightning Returns yet, but it's on Amazon for £22. Is it worth getting at that price? I'm personally not a fan of some of the combat changes they made for Lightning Returns, but yes, on the whole it's totally worth it, especially if you legit platinumed 13/13-2.
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Aww man, Snow lost his endless store of hand grenades. Matter of fact, unless I'm mistaken, Snow doesn't get a Blitz-type move as a Commando, period. Which is fine, because the guy's an absolute wall with his Sentinel abilities. Combine that with the fact that he has Commando and Ravager together, and he makes for an excellent party member. Also, I love how Hope's talking about how he hates being around Snow and he's just waiting for the right moment, but Snow is totally oblivious to it. It's funny just how dense they make the big guy in this game, because that's a character trait that isn't moping or...being Vanille. After being stuck with the angst duo through that
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