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embiid 41 32.28%
wiggins 86 67.72%
Total: 127 votes
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bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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Bogdan means "God-given." Aleksandr Bogdanov (author of the early 20th century science fiction novel Red Star) changed his name to that because he was so full of himself...but died giving himself malaria/tuberculosis-infected blood transfusions when trying to achieve immortality.

Anyways, it's the best name in the draft since God Shammgod

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Apr 14, 2004

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I really wish that Wiggins did the combine

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Apr 14, 2004

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JRizzle posted:

Why do shoes add such a random amount of height to people? Glenn Robinson's shoes apparently add 1.28 inches to his height.
My favorite measurement is for Cole Aldrich, who really wanted to be classified as a 7-footer with his 2.25" high heels/shoes (6'9" socks, 6'11.25" shoes).

edit: beaten

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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The Glumslinger posted:

Its more of so that we can compare his ridiculous numbers to other people for the next decade
Yeah, I just want to see if he could break the combine record (45.5")

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Apr 14, 2004

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Parker played the 4/5 on a team with no post presence and Wiggins played the wing on a team that pounds it inside even when it's to its own detriment. Parker will be a good rebounder for a 3, but average for a 4 in the NBA, while Wiggins had good production rebounding on the wing (6reb/game) on a team with one elite+one good rebounding starting bigs. Parker's shooting% was better than Wiggins, but it wasn't significantly better. Wiggins scored by going to the basket (6.5 FTA/game) in a wing-unfriendly offense and steadily improved his jumper over the year.

The early narrative for these two was that Parker was NBA ready and Wiggins was raw upside, but that's just a lazy narrative set within the first week of the season. Parker is a riskier pick because you don't know how his body type will translate to the NBA and his defense will never not be a concern, while Wiggins seems to be Iguodala-type as a worst case scenario if he just coasts by on his athleticism/wing defense.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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gently caress CLEVELAND

Chad Ford's instant mock:
1.) Cavs- Embiid
2.) Bucks- Wiggins
3.) Sixers- Parker
4.) Magic- Exum
5.) Jazz- Smart

Celtics would be pumped to get Randle. He could go to Orlando, but I don't think that's a good fit with so much PG talent available and Vuc/solid young talent at the 4 already. Jazz always have a loaded frontcourt as well and really need a wing...they got a really bad draft spot and should trade down to get Gordon or something.

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Apr 14, 2004

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Quest For Glory II posted:

I'm hopin! I mean what is Cleveland's biggest need?
Both scoring/defense on the wing and frontcourt production to put with Thompson. Anthony Bennett was supposed to be that wing help, but welp. I assume that they don't see Varajeo in their long-term plans so Embiid would fit.

They're pretty atrocious defensively so I don't think Parker's an awfully good fit. He'd play the 3/4 and would force Thompson to the 5 long-term, which isn't a very good option.

But as the poster below me said, more than anything they need some competency with decision making.

bearic fucked around with this message at 00:43 on May 21, 2014

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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It's pretty impressive that the Kings are totally disappointed with their pick but still get Vonleh, who I think would have gone #1 last year (to a sane front office).

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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WhyteRyce posted:

Nope

@SHowardCooper
Just filed to http://nba.com : Kings put No. 8 on the trade block, wanting veteran instead of next rookie to develop. Link to come.


:smith: Yay I can't wait to see what kind of Rajon Rondo package we are getting :smith:
Please move the Cavs/Kings to KC/Seattle. Or purge the front offices or something. The Kings wouldn't make the playoffs even if you put Melo or Kevin Love on that team for 2014.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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Jota posted:

Floor for Okafor
Downs for Towns
Pray for Oubre

I don't know how to pronounce Mudiay's name, but there's potential there.

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Apr 14, 2004

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uggy posted:

Does Wiggins profile at all like Paul George? All this talk of him being an elite defender who may not have an amazing shot sounds like paul george. I know Wiggins ceiling is higher but that early season Paul George seemed like a top 5 player which is where Wiggins should hopefully end up.
Yeah Paul George is a good comp imo. At the beginning of the year everyone was saying Tmac/Lebron but Paul George/Leonard got more popular towards the end of the year. I think Iggy is his realistic low-mid end comp and Paul George is a solid high-end comp.

bearic fucked around with this message at 00:01 on May 23, 2014

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Apr 14, 2004

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Vegas odds for #1

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Apr 14, 2004

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WEREWAIF posted:

Are there any cool Tony Mitchell-esque players who will be around at 38 for Detroit. I'm holding out hope for a Lance Stephenson or something of that nature.

I'd love to see them trade into the middle 20s of the first round and take Adreian Payne.

Thanasis Antetokounmpo and PJ Hairston are intriguing at 38. What do yall say?
Jarnell Stokes may fall. He has insane wingspan, but may (will) struggle against NBA bodies. All-time great name Bogdan Bogdanovich, 7'1" Isaiah Austin, Spencer Dinwiddie (late-lottery talent, blew out his knee this year), Jabari Brown (great shooter, no defense), Cleanthony Early (productive tweener type) are some of the highlights for beginning of 2nd round.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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If you're criticizing Embiid on his numbers, have you looked at his individual games? He didn't play a lot in the OOC, then got hurt with a couple of injuries at the end of the season, limiting his minutes. In the conference season, he scored in double-digits all but 4 times (11/15).

Embiid did not shoot more than 10 shots in a game the entire season and still averaged 10ppg. A lot of this is from his foul trouble, but he was getting auto-double teamed the entire conference season. Everyone complained about Wiggins not being aggressive enough, but he averaged 12 FGA/game.

bearic fucked around with this message at 01:50 on May 25, 2014

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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For some real dunk porn, watch Embiid's high school mixtape here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0nxBm5TaI0

Compare his jumpshot/post motions from the draft workout vs. high school mixtape. Insane how much smoother his shot/moves are now, but the athleticism is the same. He throws down a ton of Dwight Howard throw-the-ball-in-from-above dunks.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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Chad Ford tweeted out the measurements for Embiid/Wiggins/Parker:

Embiid: 7' 1" in shoes, 7' 5.75" wingspan, 9' 5.5" standing reach.
Wiggins: 6' 8.75" in shoes, 7' 0" wingspan, 8" 11" standing reach.
Parker: 6' 9" in shoes, 6' 11.75" wingspan, 8' 11.5" standing reach.

They must be wearing Cole Aldrich shoes because each of them is an inch or two taller than I expected. Just compare the Wiggins measurements to Randle from the combine:

Randle: 6'7.75" w/o shoes, 6'9" w/ shoes, 7'0" wingspan, 8'9.5" standing reach.


For further reference--Embiid's numbers are about the same as Brook Lopez's, a bit better than Tyson Chandler's, and a few inches (between wingspan/height) better than both Oden/Noah. For Wiggins, assuming Ford's numbers are correct, consider this: (EDIT) I'm a dummy and can't read the measurements (END EDIT)

bearic fucked around with this message at 02:10 on May 26, 2014

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Apr 14, 2004

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Declan MacManus posted:

That's nuts for Wiggins. Those must be lifts or something.
Yeah I'm not sure if they played the numbers with lifts, Ford's numbers are wrong, or DraftExpress' numbers are wrong. The DX wingspan numbers are all about the same as Ford's, but all the heights are about an inch off (both with shoes). Maybe they all really did grow an inch over the season? Yet again, they measured Randle at 6'10" in their database and he's under 6'8" in socks, so those Jordan Brand Classic/McD All-American numbers are often junk. If Embiid/Wiggins are both actually measuring out with those numbers in normal shoes, then good lord. Regardless, the Wiggins wingspan number is already putting him in the measurables HoF alongside Alexis Ajinca and Rudy Gobert.

bearic fucked around with this message at 01:47 on May 26, 2014

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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poo poo, you're both right, I was misreading the info really really horribly. My bad!

bearic fucked around with this message at 02:08 on May 26, 2014

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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Though he is (literally) half blind, he has a pretty good looking jumpshot for a 7-footer.

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Apr 14, 2004

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Kibner posted:

The problem is he does nothing that 7-footers are supposed to do.
Oh absolutely, no argument there. I'm just saying that if he can shoot jumpers, I don't know if we should worry about his one eye.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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Yeah Thad Young is worth the Parker-->Wiggins jump, especially considering that Thad may not want to stick around and the 76ers defense was as bad as the Lakers' last year. Plus, an MCW+Wiggins backcourt is really appealing as long as one can shoot 35-40% from 3 in the next few years.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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Cavs leaked a report that Embiid failed their physical to a Cleveland talk radio host. Now, Rotoworld ran a story that the Cavs actually cleared Embiid just fine and leaked that story to encourage the Bucks to take Parker #2 of they take the 76ers deal to trade up for Wiggins.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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If the Cavs are still high on Embiid (but not high enough to take him #1) or are smitten on Exum, they can definitely get that 3+10 package out of the 76ers now. Maybe even get Thad Young out of them too if they really want.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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Welcome back to the forums, everyone!

Cavs tried to fly in Exum for a private workout, but he refused. As I saw someone on Twitter say--only the Cavs, having the #1 pick, could lose control of this draft.

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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double sulk posted:

@WojYahooNBA: Marcus Smart is emerging as serious consideration for Utah with fifth pick, league sources tell Yahoo. Smart didn't workout for Jazz.
Cavs Syndrome is spreading

bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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Holy poo poo I love Dario Saric too

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bearic
Apr 14, 2004

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This #DraftBus (seriously?) thing is so awkward

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