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Great White Hope posted:Most of Wrestlemania 30 was trying desperately to salvage things after a long period of screwing up, so it should come as no surprise that with the pressure off WWE is back to doing 'eh whatever'. Also since they had to rewrite their Wrestlemania plans it probably left any plans they had for immediately afterwards in a shambles. To be sure this is typically a down period judging by the past few years- you have Extreme Rules which is usually not bad, then Over the Limit/Payback which who gives a poo poo, and then whatever the Hell June's PPV is which is also something nobody cares about. THEN hopefully things start happening at MitB and Summerslam. It's just worse than usual because they really hadn't planned for Bryan's title run, and now this.
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June's PPV is Money in the Bank. After that is Battleground in July.
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May 13, 2014 16:00
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Psycho Mantits posted:I realize this is from a page back, but if Wyatt was always destined to job, why even do the loving feud in the first place? Because the entire point of building a top heel is to feed them to your top face. I won't argue the booking has been dumb in the matches themselves, but the point has always been to put cena over. Speaking of which, that was the most pro-Cena crowd in quite a while, which makes it no coincidence that the crowd was loving awful all night.
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May 13, 2014 16:01
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Cena-Wyatt is probably going to be an overbooked shitshow again so at this point, make it a blindfold match a) for maximum comedy and b) to sell it as forcing John Cena to face the darkness. I just want to see one of those crapfests again.
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May 13, 2014 16:03
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Haha I only half paid attention to Raw last night, Cena really beat the Wyatt family again eh Why would they even bother having another PPV match at this point? So silly.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Cena-Wyatt is probably going to be an overbooked shitshow again so at this point, make it a blindfold match a) for maximum comedy and b) to sell it as forcing John Cena to face the darkness. Can it also be in an electrified cage?
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Great White Hope posted:Can it also be in an electrified cage? yes but the TNA one e: no, find a way to electrify a punjabi prison
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May 13, 2014 16:07
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Want to turn a face heel real easy? Have a tournament for the WWEWHC, have some face win it (I dunno, Sheamus if he didn't just win the US title) and then they can run around being a face champ for a few months until Bryan gets back and then you've got a neat little feud where Bryan wins the title back and the other guy turns heel and it all works itself out nicely. If I had to pick someone, I'd say Bo Dallas. E; Also hoping this means the return of Rusev's 2x4 thing. I demand a 2x4 with BIG E written on it next Monday.
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triplexpac posted:Haha I only half paid attention to Raw last night, Cena really beat the Wyatt family again eh
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Air Julio posted:
Bryan: Guys, I may need surgery... Guy in Crowd: BOOOOOOOO!
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Great White Hope posted:Most of Wrestlemania 30 was trying desperately to salvage things after a long period of screwing up, so it should come as no surprise that with the pressure off WWE is back to doing 'eh whatever'. The RAW the night after WM was cool and exciting and seemed like an interesting new direction. Now suddenly we have Bryan vs Kane #590, Evolution came back, Rob Van Dam came back, Adam Rose finally showed up and is stuck in a feud with Jack Swagger, the new Divas Champion is midcarding in favor of a spillover storyline from Total Divas etc etc.
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May 13, 2014 16:16
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DeathChicken posted:Bryan: Guys, I may need surgery... As lovely as that guy was, it was nice when the crowd started YESing over him when he started yelling NO real loud.
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May 13, 2014 16:24
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Angular Landbury posted:The RAW the night after WM was cool and exciting and seemed like an interesting new direction. Shield/Evolution continues to be fine and is the only really good thing going right now in terms of storylines IMO.
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Air Julio posted:Speaking of which, that was the most pro-Cena crowd in quite a while, which makes it no coincidence that the crowd was loving awful all night. My hometown is terrible. Remember Greenville is the place where Cena stripped Cole to his underwear, bathed him in JR's BBQ sauce, and sprayed him with a fire extinguisher. Although last time they were here was when Punk did that first walkout after losing to taker at mania.
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Angular Landbury posted:The RAW the night after WM was cool and exciting and seemed like an interesting new direction. The Raw after WM featured a dumb as poo poo Cesaro heel turn less than 24 hours after a face turn, thus somewhat negating winning the biggest non-Bryan match of the biggest show of the year in a way that could very easily be the biggest moment of his WWE career, and a big helping of Evolution in everything but name. Bryan is feuding with Kane because of said prior to WM30 gently caress-ups leading to there being no heels with any credibility to feud with while Cena needs somebody to feud with, as does The Shield.
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achillesforever6 posted:Oh my god I just realized what this reminded me of
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Everyone should watch Raw on DVR. It saves you a lot of time. I hit the fast forward and the only thing I stopped it on was Lana, RVD (only to hit fast forward again when Adam came out), and Stephanie to see if she would strip Bryan.
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Super Ninja Fish posted:Everyone should watch Raw on DVR. It saves you a lot of time. You don't even need the DVR. Tune in for the opening segment, the 9pm segment, and the end and that's everything you'd ever need to see on Raw most weeks. If there's a good match in the 9:30 spot or (this is rare) in the 10:00 spot you can go back and watch it, or they'll just redo it on Smackdown.
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Angular Landbury posted:The RAW the night after WM was cool and exciting and seemed like an interesting new direction. Just out of curiosity, who do you think Rose should be feuding with if you're not happy with Jack? Because most of the other options are downgrades or in the process of building credibility so they can't be jobbing out to a new guy right now. Also Paige wasn't midcarding compared to the total divas. She was in the first hour, which is always the best rated hour, along with Daniel Bryan and John Cena. The Total Divas angle is the one that's stuck in one of the worst timeslots on the show. Try to adjust your natural perceptions of card position. 3 hour Raw is not a traditional booking environment. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 17:13 on May 13, 2014 |
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Great White Hope posted:The Raw after WM featured a dumb as poo poo Cesaro heel turn less than 24 hours after a face turn, thus somewhat negating winning the biggest non-Bryan match of the biggest show of the year in a way that could very easily be the biggest moment of his WWE career, and a big helping of Evolution in everything but name. There wasn't a Cesaro face turn. He beat up Swagger and that was it, unless you count him shaking hands with Big Show. Kane also has no credibility, especially not against Bryan. Has he actually won a match in the last six months?
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Perigryn posted:Well, that's something I haven't seen before...
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All I know about Adam Rose is he needs a bigger crowd. Him coming down a 90 foot ramp with his endless party of like eleven people is a bit underwhelming.
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Angular Landbury posted:There wasn't a Cesaro face turn. He beat up Swagger and that was it, unless you count him shaking hands with Big Show. A face shaking a heel's hand, and not getting cheap shotted for it, generally signifies a face turn. EDIT: Swagger also destroyed Cesaro's trophy, which is a heel move against a face. If they didn't want confusion, they should've had Cesaro break the trophy himself over Big Show's head when Show tried to shake his hand.
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Angular Landbury posted:There wasn't a Cesaro face turn. He beat up Swagger and that was it, unless you count him shaking hands with Big Show. Beating up your giant racist rear end in a top hat partner who attacked you for failing to win a match, and later that same night shaking hands in sportsmanlike manner with one of the company's top faces is, in your mind, in no way indicative of a face turn? What? Also, Kane in the mask is not the same as Kane not in the mask, I don't get why this is so unfathomable to people.
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This is THEDEMONKANE, haven't you been listening
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Angular Landbury posted:Kane also has no credibility, especially not against Bryan. Has he actually won a match in the last six months? I can't say this enough-- if they had any guts/brains, they would be pushing Kane as "the guy that put CM Punk through a table so hard it ended his WWE career." Also, what Sanguinia said.
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Sanguinia posted:Also, Kane in the mask is not the same as Kane not in the mask, I don't get why this is so unfathomable to people. I didn't buy it when Gregory Helms did it, either.
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I want to live in a world where I'm so deluded that I think a heel staving off an assault from another heel and giving him your finisher, followed by acting very face-ish the rest of the evening is not decisive evidence of becoming a babyface. Edit: Also Kane has something resembling credibility because it's Kane, and 'being Kane' alone puts him well above every heel that isn't Bray Wyatt or in Evolution.
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I want the WWE to go back to not paying attention to Cesaro because when they don't he just goes out there and has awesome matches. When they do pay attention to him, they give him loving yodeling and a botched heel-face-heel turn that just confuses everyone. Just let him keep being Cesaro and people will cheer more and more for him because he's awesome, don't try to force it so loving hard.
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Great White Hope posted:I want to live in a world where I'm so deluded that I think a heel staving off an assault from another heel and giving him your finisher, followed by acting very face-ish the rest of the evening is not decisive evidence of becoming a babyface. I want to live in a world where i'm so deluded I think Kane has credibility, so maybe we can trade for a week?
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May 13, 2014 17:32
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Angular Landbury posted:I didn't buy it when Gregory Helms did it, either. While you have a fair point there, Hurricane was always booked as a deluded goof rather than an actual superhero. Kane on the other hand was always booked as an actual fire demon, even more than Undertaker was an actual zombie. I think there's room for a distinction between him and Helms.
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Angular Landbury posted:I want to live in a world where i'm so deluded I think Kane has credibility, so maybe we can trade for a week? Alright then. Who would you choose for Bryan to feud with then? You have to pick a heel, and you can't pick Bray Wyatt or a member of Evolution. Go.
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achillesforever6 posted:It's from the Venture Bros season 4 premiere He's playing off the "SASQUATCH IS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!" line from his first appearance.
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I was thinking about it, and does anyone else think they may delay Shield dissension even further with Bryan out? I honestly believe The Shield as a unit might be the most universally over (other than Cena but Cena's constantly mixed) non-Bryan faces on the roster. That crowd sucked last night but went apeshit for the ending and were hot for the opening promo.
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Sanguinia posted:While you have a fair point there, Hurricane was always booked as a deluded goof rather than an actual superhero. Kane on the other hand was always booked as an actual fire demon, even more than Undertaker was an actual zombie. I think there's room for a distinction between him and Helms. Kane was always booked as an actual fire demon. Aside from when he was beatboxing. Or yellng about his "Kaneanites" to Rock and Hulk Hogan Or in Chef Boyardee commercials.
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Angular Landbury posted:Kane was always booked as an actual fire demon. Two out of this list of three things are non-kayfabe and he was still a fire demon. Hell, even when he was beatboxing he was still beating the poo poo out of the entire tag division with a chair.
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Great White Hope posted:Alright then. Sheamus would probably have been my first pick.
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Angular Landbury posted:Sheamus would probably have been my first pick. Here's your reminder that people who complained about Orton/Cena being done to death in 2014, when Sheamus/Bryan was significantly more recent than any Orton/Cena feud, were livid at the idea of Sheamus/Bryan at WM30. Plus, you know, Sheamus is a babyface, so way to pass that criteria too.
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Angular Lantire posted:Kane was always booked as an actual fire demon. I think there's a line between "Hurricane is tired of losing so he quits pretending he's a Super Hero" and "Kane always has a horrific demon murder machine inside him no matter how much he changes or how goofy he seems, and when it comes out you should run." Unlike Hurricane, Kane has never denounced his original concept, he simply moved away from it from time to time. I've never had a problem accepting it when he go's back to it because to me and I think most fans that's the "real" Kane and the rest is just waiting for him to show up.
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