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End the show now, there is no way they could ever make a better episode than that. Jesus gently caress.
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SexyBlindfold posted:At this point I'm imagining that Littlefinger/Sansa's arc won't even need any additional dialogue, the next episode will simply be peppered with shots of Eyrie lords flying down the chute. Tyrion and Oberyn discuss the details of the duel, Ser Galahad of Whatever goes down the chute. Dany discovers what it REALLY means to rule by offering to coach for a down-on-its-luck Mereenese hockey team, Lord Johnny Lordly goes down the chute. The Hound delivers a heart-wrenching monologue on how much he loves to eat chicken, Robin Arryn goes down the chute. Littlefinger is such a Palpatine level chess wizard at this game that I wouldn't be surprised if he orchestrated every bit of what happened to make Sansa love him and it actually works. I mean, Sansa is not the smartest slice of the hot pie.
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May 19, 2014 07:21
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Hand of the King posted:Some questions... 1. She wanted Jorah to know she still might, possibly, at some point, ever, like him back because she is a drunk on power puppeteer now. She's a teenage girl and she is setting up two boys to fight over her like in Twilight. 2. Both 3. Both. The "I didn't see a monster" speech was pretty drat sympathetic. Oberyn rules
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May 19, 2014 17:24
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Why do people think it's creepy for Littlefinger to like Sansa but not for Jorah to like Dany, Jorah seems older than LF for sure and Dany is younger than Sansa for sure as well. e: wait no, Dany is 2 years older right? Sansa was 14 and Dany was 16 in season 1. Still, Jorah's like 45 and LF seems 40 maybe precision fucked around with this message at 17:35 on May 19, 2014 |
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May 19, 2014 17:33
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MrBims posted:Jorah didn't obsess over Dany's mother and talk about she could have been his daughter right before kissing her uninvited. Oh, so it's not an age difference thing at all? That makes sense, I just thought most goons were flipping out over age differences again
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May 19, 2014 17:36
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nooneofconsequence posted:Maybe in show terms but Sophie Turner was very much a child when the show started and is still very young whereas Emilia Clarke has been in her 20s the whole time. This should not matter even a little bit unless they're like doing actual sex scenes. e: meaning if you're going to freak out about ages, use the character's age, not the actor's
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May 19, 2014 17:49
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uuuummm posted:I've heard that Jorah seems way creepier in the books, but I haven't read them myself. Part of that may come from Dany being 13 and Jorah being super hairy. So in the books, Jorah is GRRM's self-insert, is what I'm getting here.
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May 19, 2014 18:12
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:It just clicked with me that The Hound will once again be denied his ransom because of murder. I don't think he's going give Arya over to Littlefinger. Though, Littlefinger might be the one in danger if he did. I like how the Hound's eyes have gone from "weary and murderous contempt of everything" to "weary and kind of a sad guy whose only friend is a teenage psychopath that wants to kill him" without actually changing. The actor is selling his arc really well. I can't wait until Jon meets Arya again.  So have you been practicing your swordplay? Oh yes, dear Brother. Oh yes.precision fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 19, 2014 |
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May 19, 2014 18:47
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:I got the feeling we got what amounts to a sendoff for the Bronn character, which makes me a little sad. Just give me a scene in the epilogue of the last season with Lord Bronn sitting on a throne with a few giggling whores running around and a giant mug in one hand. SOMEONE needs a happy ending.
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May 19, 2014 18:55
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Oberyn defeats the Mountain, then a bunch of Dornish cruise into King's Landing and kill Tywin and Cersei. Tyrion is spared for obvious reasons, and he convinces Oberyn to spare Jaime as well. Bronn, Jaime, Oberyn and Tyrion become the cast of the next Final Fantasy game. And then they all hug!
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May 19, 2014 19:32
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AMReese posted:I don't think they'd consider The Mountain honorable at all. Of course they'd be upset. Picking The Mountain as your champion is like all those assholes who picked M. Bison in SF2.
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May 19, 2014 20:42
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Sansa's always had that "one day I'm gonna go Carrie on everyone's asses" thing about her. She has certainly had enough metaphorical buckets of pig's blood by now.
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May 19, 2014 20:50
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If Oberyn gets defeated, Tywin better STOP THE drat MATCH before the Mountain kills him or I will hate GRRM even more than I already do. Introducing a character that cool, nuanced and potentially important only to off him so quickly would be lovely writing even for GRRM.
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May 20, 2014 03:54
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Fight Club Sandwich posted:Ned Stark died in 9 episodes. It would be perfectly consistent for GRRM to introduce and kill off Oberyn in 8. Doing it once is clever and interesting. To do it a second time is just trollin'.
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May 20, 2014 05:08
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Thinking on it now, though, I would totally laugh my rear end off and applaud if GRRM kills/killed off Dany before she even gets to Westeros. Maybe Jorah can learn to ride a dragon.
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May 20, 2014 05:56
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Shadow posted:I hear a lot of this criticism about GRRM on these forums. Most people who I've actually talked to who have read at least the first book seem to really like it. Is it pretty much, you either love his writing or you hate it? Or is it just one of those "goons being goons, don't mind them" kind of thing? And hey, been a goon a while myself. So I "get it." Rage only means we care harder. The problem is that it is predictable. "Here is a character that is awesome. He/she will suffer horribly." It's bad storytelling not because bad things happen to people we like, but because everything becomes telegraphed. Jaime becomes likable? Hand chopped off. Ned dies. Robb gets Red Wedding'd. It's something you have to use sparingly, and not do it to every loving character. I'm already fully expecting The Hound to die this season purely because he has become a very interesting character. We will have to disagree that GRRM is a genius because the first two books are two of the worst books I have ever read and the fact that the show has made them into a good story is a miracle.
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May 20, 2014 08:59
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Baldbeard posted:Can't believe all the book hate here. I've read a bit of fiction and found grrm to be a fantastic storyteller. He definitely has a habit of being long-winded, but his many strengths outweigh his weaker points. There needs to be a sticky for TVIV entitled "Subjectivity For Dummies".
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May 20, 2014 16:27
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whalestory posted:It's kinda begging to become some kind of argument when people say that it's the "worst" prose they've ever read I didn't say that. I said they were two of the worst books I have ever read. That is a valid opinion to have about anything, especially genre fiction. We're not even supposed to be talking about the books this much, but for the record, here are writers I think are good: Irvine Welsh, William Gibson, Robert Anton Wilson, Tom Robbins, Terry Pratchett, Michael Swanwick (I would kick a puppy for an HBO miniseries of The Iron Dragon's Daughter). edit: If you want an example of someone closer to GRRM that I actually enjoy: early Robin Hobb (the Assassin and Fool trilogies especially). Now those are good fantasy novels. IN MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION. precision fucked around with this message at 16:40 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 16:37
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regulargonzalez posted:If you think Robert Anton Wilson and William Gibson write better prose than GRRM ... well I dunno what to tell you. You have unique tastes, I guess. Not that unique, plenty of people would agree with that sentiment. Though it really depends which Gibson book you're talking about. Neuromancer was not terribly well written, but the five books after it are. But no seriously what is the point in saying "Wow, you have a subjective opinion that I don't understand"? Three of my best friends listen to a lot of awful music. I don't constantly nag them about "Wow, you really think Avenged Sevenfold plays better music than Godspeed You! Black Emperor?" I just accept it and move on.
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May 20, 2014 16:52
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Super Ninja Fish posted:The show didn't even explain why she would ever trust the Lannisters enough to think they would actually swap her girls for Jaime. I have to wonder why all show-only watchers don't think she's the biggest idiot for that. Or maybe I'm wrong. Do you all completely understand why she would think the Lannisters would be sincere with their trade? How many times has "A Lannister always repays his debts" been said in the show?
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May 20, 2014 18:10
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Steve2911 posted:There is so much more to the story than killing off popular characters. Yes, that's why he should stop doing it unless it's absolutely crucial to the plot. Like I said earlier, killing off Oberyn would just be a complete dick move, we're due for some new blood in the cast, especially since Jojen and Meera are incredibly boring now that Meera doesn't get to fight over who's the better babysitter for Bran.
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May 20, 2014 18:47
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Baldbeard posted:Killing off characters isn't a gimmick, its literally a major theme in the story. All men must die. It also has nothing to do with his "career", he's written other books, has some great short story collections, and has been a professional in Hollywood for over a decade. He's also a creepy fat old man that leers at teenage girls.
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May 20, 2014 18:58
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Doltos posted:How's it going to be a dick move if Oberyn dies? Is it because you like Oberyn? I do, but mostly because the implications of him being a new player in the Game are way more interesting than him being dead. I will laugh so hard if Gendry's boat is the last shot of the season.
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May 20, 2014 19:20
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ironlung posted:Shouldn't the Wildling army be getting to the wall any minute now? What is the goddam hold up? In the time since Ygritte and Tormund left the main army with Jon, their little band has had time to scale the wall, plunder in the north, wound Jon Snow, meet up with the Thenns, and plunder some more. Jon has recovered, went back 60 miles north, rooted out the mutineers, and came back to the wall. Still no sign of the main army. What the gently caress are the Wildlings doing? I was under the impression they were waiting on Tormund and the cannibals to take Castle Black (or find some other way through the Wall) for the exact reason that they didn't want to/couldn't have their whole army climb the wall.
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May 20, 2014 19:27
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Between this and Dany's storyline jogging in place for three loving seasons it does get a little tiresome. Can I get a book reader to PM me spoilers about roughly when Dany gets to Westeros? Please don't spoil too much or I might buy you a dumb anime avatar, tia. edit: And done, thanks. precision fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 19:34
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Thom12255 posted:Dany hate is completely unjustified. I like Dany, but she is seriously becoming "the crazy Targaryen". Her brother was a creep and all but right now she's on the direct path to becoming The Mad Queen.
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May 20, 2014 19:42
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echoplex posted:New Mountain cannot act and look at him tryin' to scowl so gosh darn hard with his podgy face. He looks like a member of Bear Force One.
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May 20, 2014 23:16
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Xenoborg posted:Whats funny about this is all the fights in your good list are straight from the books, and all the fights from your bad list were made up for the show (some due to plot changes, some due to there just not being a POV character to see them). No, that's not funny, or interesting. Why do people keep making "the things people like about this show are ripped straight from the books  posts.Because I'm pretty sure the books don't star Peter Dinklage.
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May 21, 2014 15:16
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If we're now seriously saying that quality of prose doesn't matter in fiction then please close the thread forever because what the actual gently caress.
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May 21, 2014 17:28
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If IMDB is to be trusted, Gendry does not in fact appear at all this season. Not once.
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May 21, 2014 19:46
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I have seriously never had a problem with Littlefinger's accent, by which I mean, yes he sounds like someone with an accent, but I've never sat here thinking "God, what a terrible actor/accent". 
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May 22, 2014 03:12
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DepoProvera posted:I'm from Ireland - I suppose UK and Irish accents all sound pretty similar to those of you in the US. No, not at all. I just think people exaggerate how much his fluctuates, unless you're binge watching. I mean there is a metric ton of difference between, say, a Cockney and an Irish accent to me; Littlefinger doesn't fluctuate that much.
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May 22, 2014 05:01
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The difference in how Dany speaks now compared to season 1 is more noticeable to me, though I guess that's more deliberate as she blossoms into the flower of crazy queenship.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Is there any in-show indicator as to who stole Pycelle's conveniently easy-to-grab poisons, other than probably Baelish (who if anything was probably given the poison by Pycelle himself)? I just assumed he was lying out his rear end at Cersei's request and he hadn't actually had 200 different poisons stolen because drat dude invest in some new locks or something.
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