Justin Tyme posted:

im convinced, i am gonna teach myself this common core poo poo since i am doing a math-heavy major and i feel like my elementary education hosed me over (i was always bad at math)

gently caress the human being reationaries who are just upset because they don't understand things

Cowman posted:

This poo poo is pretty easy and makes sense. It's the same way we've always done it, they're just expanding things to show the steps in a clearer manner.

Copley Depot posted:

In and of itself, the common core algorithm is just a different form of rote memorization. how can we be sure that it will actually lead to enhanced understanding compared to other algorithms?

CommonTerry posted:

the big complaints coming from the teachers i've seen is:

1. kids don't get it/it's not intuitive to them

2. the early testing being used to judge what kids' futures will be is terrifying to the children, the teachers, and parents

the tests are apparently horrible in literally every way possible but they legally can't tell you why

Moridin920 posted:

Also kids care if it's slower on paper, the #1 thing I hated the most was showing my work for some poo poo that I did in my head. I just didn't do it and then my grade suffered even though I understood the concept.

I'm not really against CC because Gulzin convinced me but I will say that nobody seems to give a poo poo what kids think and then they go 'why do kids not care at all?'

CommonTerry posted:

you want all teachers to care about teaching in low grades. doing teaching for the money = you shouldn't be teaching

gary oldmans diary posted:

gary oldmans diary posted:

he hasnt you dolt
his arguments on the specific examples are backed by "these groups support common core"

Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:

Children need to understand the concept so they can perform it rapidly later. They can learn these concepts rapidly at a young age. I don't think you are an educator, or this wouldn't be a question for you.

There is no reason for this thread to be this long with dozens of people arguing with just you.

Final word:

Common Core will happen, it is a superior way to perform math, which I know from personal experience, and our youth need it. If you are against it, its because you are an ignorant curmudgeon who has literally no experience in educating youth or developing educational tools.

Next time, argue a topic you are actually familiar with. People might believe you.

icantfindaname posted:

why the gently caress can't you just give a lecture explaining the theory behind stuff and derive the algorithm for the class then have them memorize it?

this is how literally every math class i have ever taken works

apparently you need to make kids write a paragraph every time they multiply two numbers and leave them unable to loving add and subtract without a calculator, though, for some reason

icantfindaname posted:

OK so how will making them write a paragraph every time they multiply two numbers and leaving them unable to add and subtract without a calculator make this better?

you'd think this would be a key point, but it's mysteriously never elaborated on.

i don't believe kids will learn the properties of the base 10 number system by osmosis or whatever you think is going to happen when you make them memorize your much more tedious, much less useful algorithm instead of the general purpose algorithm. if the kids are too stupid to learn from a class lecture why do you think they'll just sort of figure it out if forced to write down huge strings of numbers every time they calculate a tip?

thelightguy posted:

So it is "superior" by the metric that more people may be able to follow it, with the caveat that it is slower and more tedious to do in your head, and less efficient on paper.

WarLocke posted:

There is a scene in an episode of Continuum where someone gets in trouble for having printed books. Because they're 'seditious printed material'. That scene (and the whole show, actually) makes me really uncomfortable because it depicts a future that I find plausible.

Or maybe I am just a dumb.

WarLocke posted:

no I was too busy reading A Wrinkle in Time and Harry Potter

DeepQantas posted:

If you don't want to watch the whole 2 hour video (you should, tho) just check the part at 1:10:14:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si-kx5-MKSE&t=4214s

Carol Pizzamom posted:

Man a thread where I lean towards Rhonyn posts. Ya'll really done it

a cop posted:

I skipped over most of the thread but its funny that someone linked a two hour libertarian rant from a crazy person and said "you should watch the whole thing"