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LiquidFriend
Apr 5, 2005

Gabriel S. posted:

Does anyone know if there's any real benefit to "gaming" packages from ISPs?
Your router will be fueled by mountain dew and piss.

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NZAmoeba
Feb 14, 2005

It turns out it's MAN!
Hair Elf
Looking into on-call roster apps, is PagerDuty still the hotness from when I last used it 3 years ago? Or is something else preferred these days?

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
We’re pretty happy with Opsgenie here.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

NZAmoeba posted:

Looking into on-call roster apps, is PagerDuty still the hotness from when I last used it 3 years ago? Or is something else preferred these days?

pagerduty gave me ptsd.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

i hosted a great goon meet and all i got was this lousy avatar
Grimey Drawer

Methanar posted:

pagerduty gave me ptsd.
PagerDuty did, or just being on-call?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Thanatosian posted:

PagerDuty did, or just being on-call?

I remember being out to dinner, and someone at a different table's iphone pinged, making me anxious enough that I realized that something was really really wrong with the way my life was going.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

i hosted a great goon meet and all i got was this lousy avatar
Grimey Drawer

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I remember being out to dinner, and someone at a different table's iphone pinged, making me anxious enough that I realized that something was really really wrong with the way my life was going.
I specifically chose a text message sound and ringer on my work phone I'd never heard anyone use before for exactly that reason. Since then, I have run into it in the wild several times, and I do get the momentary rush of "oh, crap, there's a problem."

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

NZAmoeba posted:

Looking into on-call roster apps, is PagerDuty still the hotness from when I last used it 3 years ago? Or is something else preferred these days?

PD is still the gold standard, but priced accordingly (drop in the bucket compared to salaries of the people on it of course.)

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

i hosted a great goon meet and all i got was this lousy avatar
Grimey Drawer

PCjr sidecar posted:

PD is still the gold standard, but priced accordingly (drop in the bucket compared to salaries of the people on it of course.)
When I looked a year or so ago, OpsGenie and PagerDuty both had tiers that were only $10 a month (total, not per person) if you had six or fewer people on them.

NZAmoeba
Feb 14, 2005

It turns out it's MAN!
Hair Elf

Thanatosian posted:

When I looked a year or so ago, OpsGenie and PagerDuty both had tiers that were only $10 a month (total, not per person) if you had six or fewer people on them.

We're certainly a lot more than 6, so we're looking for the more expensive options. Thanks for the OpsGenie mention though, I vaguely remembering it existing last time I was in this space, but didn't know much about it. It's good to have something to compare against.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I remember being out to dinner, and someone at a different table's iphone pinged, making me anxious enough that I realized that something was really really wrong with the way my life was going.

I wasn’t self aware enough to recognize it in the moment like that. But once I left a job where I was on call 24x7x365 (and poo poo broke with some regularity) I realized how much anxiety I had been living with. Could never really enjoy a night out because of the nagging dread that my phone could go off at any time. Walking out of there on my last day a huge weight lifted off my chest I didn’t know had been there.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

We rotate on-call between five people

Plus we have a MSP handle most helpdesk poo poo so we don’t get a call unless something blew up

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



Docjowles posted:

I wasn’t self aware enough to recognize it in the moment like that. But once I left a job where I was on call 24x7x365 (and poo poo broke with some regularity) I realized how much anxiety I had been living with. Could never really enjoy a night out because of the nagging dread that my phone could go off at any time. Walking out of there on my last day a huge weight lifted off my chest I didn’t know had been there.

I was that way at Hilton. Not IT but my operations were 20 hours a day 365 days a year. Sure I had supervisors cover in the evenings and some early mornings, but there was always a lingering thought of can I go enjoy myself or is something blowing up. I'd also routinely get calls at all hours on how to proceed for things. That poo poo sucks. Having work outside of work sucks. It's one of the reasons I left the industry. I don't mind doing it for a year or two as I climb the IT ranks, but it's not something I really want as part of my life long term.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

I think for on-call products you're pretty much just looking at PagerDuty / OpsGenie / VictorOps. From my experience PD and VO are pretty decent, haven't tried OG.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Just got a solicitation to be IT dude for a private school, amongst the responsibilities IT dude will


Maintain School Networks
Develop Education Materials for Staff/Students/Parents to use school infrastructure
Deploy student/faculty hardware
Maintain the IT inventory (Hardware/Software/Licensing)
Resale/Disposal of old gear
Do Helpdesk for students/staff
Perform pen testing/Firewall monitoring/network monitoring
Negotiate with vendors


I can do all of these, but no wonder this is a backfilled position, holy lol. Whoever takes this should make bank, but probably isn't.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
I'm legit looking at applying to a similar job out of the hope BVMTH might get reduced tuition.

:sigh:

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Defenestrategy posted:

Just got a solicitation to be IT dude for a private school, amongst the responsibilities IT dude will


Maintain School Networks
Develop Education Materials for Staff/Students/Parents to use school infrastructure
Deploy student/faculty hardware
Maintain the IT inventory (Hardware/Software/Licensing)
Resale/Disposal of old gear
Do Helpdesk for students/staff
Perform pen testing/Firewall monitoring/network monitoring
Negotiate with vendors


I can do all of these, but no wonder this is a backfilled position, holy lol. Whoever takes this should make bank, but probably isn't.

54K a year salary, no OT, 24/7 on call right?

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

skipdogg posted:

54K a year salary, no OT, 24/7 on call right?

12mo contract to hire with conversion expected between 6-12 month, no salary listed. If I had to guess though, 45-50k in Georgia(which is still bad)

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



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Zotix fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 21, 2023

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Zotix posted:

Is that for the Westminster School in Atlanta? I saw they were hiring a few weeks ago.

No clue, a recruiter blind sent me the posting. I'm really happy with my current position, but I have the linkedin flood gates set to open in case someone wants to offer me 100k to play SWTOR all day.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Working at a school.
In Georgia.
In this pandemic.
At this time of year?

That would have to be a whole lot of clams.

wargames
Mar 16, 2008

official yospos cat censor

Defenestrategy posted:

12mo contract to hire with conversion expected between 6-12 month, no salary listed. If I had to guess though, 45-50k in Georgia(which is still bad)

that would be a raise over my 38k

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Defenestrategy posted:

12mo contract to hire with conversion expected between 6-12 month, no salary listed. If I had to guess though, 45-50k in Georgia(which is still bad)

How big of a school is this? If it’s small, that’s sounds about right for pay. Hopefully other benefits make up for it.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
Slack seems to have this cult following despite its enterprise licensing being the most expensive of its kind while providing you the least enterprise features and security controls. Why anyone would pay for this poo poo instead of just using the free version is beyond my feeble understanding.

Teams, keeps slowly getting better and better, to the point that my gripes about it are almost completely gone. The cloud app security policies in office 365 are so much bang for the buck.

The CIO is going to decide the fate of the two platform next week and I hope I can finally kill Slack across all managed devices.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

Sickening posted:

Slack seems to have this cult following despite its enterprise licensing being the most expensive of its kind while providing you the least enterprise features and security controls. Why anyone would pay for this poo poo instead of just using the free version is beyond my feeble understanding.

Teams, keeps slowly getting better and better, to the point that my gripes about it are almost completely gone. The cloud app security policies in office 365 are so much bang for the buck.

The CIO is going to decide the fate of the two platform next week and I hope I can finally kill Slack across all managed devices.

lol at supporting bundling practices

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Methanar posted:

lol at supporting bundling practices

If I cut out my vendors that bundle I don’t think I would have many vendors left. :iiam:

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

i hosted a great goon meet and all i got was this lousy avatar
Grimey Drawer

Sickening posted:

Slack seems to have this cult following despite its enterprise licensing being the most expensive of its kind while providing you the least enterprise features and security controls. Why anyone would pay for this poo poo instead of just using the free version is beyond my feeble understanding.

Teams, keeps slowly getting better and better, to the point that my gripes about it are almost completely gone. The cloud app security policies in office 365 are so much bang for the buck.

The CIO is going to decide the fate of the two platform next week and I hope I can finally kill Slack across all managed devices.
Last I heard, free Slack didn't support retention policies, which basically makes it useless for finance and government work.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Thanatosian posted:

Last I heard, free Slack didn't support retention policies, which basically makes it useless for finance and government work.

Well you are in luck, to get slack to to the standards you would expect in either institution requires those exact same licensing fees I was bitching about plus all your own DLP and SEIM solutions. Oh yeah, about those 3rd party solution? There is only a small list of "compatible" providers because slack is looking to make money from those providers as well.

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



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Zotix fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jun 21, 2023

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009


Thank you for posting this! It was enlightening, and I came here to post/ask about common pitfalls and, well, this:


Well, I've gotten myself an opportunity. Does anyone know anything about CTG? these guys

Appparently they do a lot of staffing for IBM in this area, so I'm getting MSP vibes/staffing agency/temp to hire vibes. Are there any pitfalls for employment agreements that I should be aware of?

No official offer extended, aptitude tests tomorrow, but I did talk with a recruiter about things. Is it a common practice to uh, give vacation days up front (5/annual accrued) and have them be paid back to the company if you don't earn them? This seems both low and wierd and red flaggy.

Also, the pay. That's one area I have no clue if I'm being taken for a ride with the intent to be locked in noncompete with.

Do these seem right?
https://www.itcareerfinder.com/brain-food/it-salaries/technical-support-specialist-salary-range.html
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/help-desk-technician-salary-SRCH_KO0,20.htm
(boulder/denver area since location matters)

Approaching as a culture outsider the entire industry seems... super unstandardized as far a spay-for-workload. My impression is that the industry is basically the wild west as far how well a given business has their stuff together or not.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


In my opinion, even the most remote least expensive area in the United States I would expect any IT Position to pay at a minimum $40k/y.

Recruiters suck but they're all mercenaries trying to get a cut when your hired for a position. It costs them nothing to constantly spam you but I've landed at least two decent positions but I had to put up with and filter all the bullshit.

In my opinion, all of the CompTIA Certs. are garbage. Go with actual vendors directly. I can't speak for the RHCSA but a decade ago getting certified was a straight shot to getting hired immediately at all sorts of places.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Gabriel S. posted:

How big of a school is this? If it’s small, that’s sounds about right for pay. Hopefully other benefits make up for it.

Do contract-to-hire workers generally get bennies? I always understood it as
1099.

Gabriel S. posted:

In my opinion, all of the CompTIA Certs.

Unfortunately Comptia got their hooks on the industry, as I understand if I wanna move laterally from my position in IT to Cybersec*, I have to go get a Sec+** because I'd be working on DoD related contracts with a clearance required. So if you wanna work info sec in DoD land you're forced to do that.


*Note I wouldn't do this, because as far as I can tell our cybersec guys don't do much besides look at regs nods sagely and say yes/no to ideas and don't actually comprehend what the regs are actually saying.


** per DoD-Directive 8140/8570;


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TheParadigm posted:

Is it a common practice to uh, give vacation days up front (5/annual accrued) and have them be paid back to the company if you don't earn them? This seems both low and wierd and red flaggy.

What does this mean? That you get hired, and tell them you want new years, xmas, hannukah, 4th of july, and MLK day off and if for what ever reason someone arbitrarily denies you those vacation days they just count as non-pto and you don't get paid? That's shady and hosed, I hope that's not common.

quote:

super unstandardized as far a spay-for-workload. My impression is that the industry is basically the wild west as far how well a given business has their stuff together or not.

Much like civil engineers, computer touchers for some reason trend towards the "WHY DO WE NEED A UNION? WERE EDUCATED SKILLED WORKERS THE PAY CEILING WILL GO UP UP UP"

Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Aug 5, 2020

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009

Defenestrategy posted:

What does this mean? That you get hired, and tell them you want new years, xmas, hannukah, 4th of july, and MLK day off and if for what ever reason someone arbitrarily denies you those vacation days they just count as non-pto and you don't get paid? That's shady and hosed, I hope that's not common.

The way it was explained seemed like a backwards-ification of PTO:
Instead of 'oh you get 14 days off per year and it accrues as you work according to whatever formula but you have to be at the company a year to cash it in'
its 'you get five a year, but we just set your usable days off to 5 right away, and you accrue them as normal, but its basically a loan - you can carry a negative balance and pay the difference if you quit before earning them back? '

IE get 5 use 3 , earn 2 over 2 months, find better job, end up owing company $ for vacation time of 1 day?

Its fucky.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



5 days of PTO per YEAR? What, is this job in a coal mine in the 19th century?

Spring Heeled Jack
Feb 25, 2007

If you can read this you can read
Anyone here working as an SRE? I’ve been a system admin working alongside a dev team for a little while now and I feel like this is the next step for me. There’s no real place to go up aside from management at my current place unfortunately.

If anyone can provide some insight, what does your day-to-day look like?

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



Spring Heeled Jack posted:

Anyone here working as an SRE? I’ve been a system admin working alongside a dev team for a little while now and I feel like this is the next step for me. There’s no real place to go up aside from management at my current place unfortunately.

If anyone can provide some insight, what does your day-to-day look like?

SRE at a Series D SaaS company, 4 SREs supporting 50 engineers and my day to day is Different.

I've spent the last couple days:

* Trying to switch to a blue/green deploy system
* Realizing that blue/green deploys hammer the gently caress out the database since we hit the DB with 2x the number of queries
* Support the SRE that really knows mysql to help bring up a new instance with different configs and sizing
* Digging through Datadog metrics and traces to realize why we're suddenly hammering the database
* Digging through SQLAlchemy weirdness to figure out why one specific query is now happening way too often
* Poking at Cloudflare bot mitigation rules
* Poking at Cloudflare caching

Tomorrow maybe I can dig into getting the instance bake and start times down, along with rolling out a new consul and vault cluster.

Happy to answer questions over PMs.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

Spring Heeled Jack posted:

Anyone here working as an SRE? I’ve been a system admin working alongside a dev team for a little while now and I feel like this is the next step for me. There’s no real place to go up aside from management at my current place unfortunately.

If anyone can provide some insight, what does your day-to-day look like?

I worked in my pyjamas today

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Defenestrategy posted:



Much like civil engineers, computer touchers for some reason trend towards the "WHY DO WE NEED A UNION? WERE EDUCATED SKILLED WORKERS THE PAY CEILING WILL GO UP UP UP"

Im all aboard the union train, but to be fair the pay ceiling is rocketing on up, at least at the upper levels. I don’t know a lot of other jobs that pay this much money for how little time you spend working/educating yourself.

My gf is going through vet school and works way harder than I ever have.

This is all cold comfort to y’all getting hosed with $14/hr helpdesk jobs with 5 days off a year (cue eternal screaming). I made $15 as an intern four years ago! In Canadian funny money sure, but poo poo I had healthcare at least.


Spring Heeled Jack posted:

Anyone here working as an SRE? I’ve been a system admin working alongside a dev team for a little while now and I feel like this is the next step for me. There’s no real place to go up aside from management at my current place unfortunately.

If anyone can provide some insight, what does your day-to-day look like?

I had an interview for one and the leetcode killed me. So make sure your programming skills are up to snuff!

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





I really love being in the middle of a Skype to Teams migration and then finding out that the AD infrastructure for our Skype tenant broke and couldn't be connected to via PowerShell and then spending 3 hours on the phone with Microsoft support doing "did you turn it off and on again" and me saying "can you turn the AD controller off and on again" and then Microsoft releases an advisory and I link the advisory with the advisory number and then the rep comes back and goes "can you please screenshot the message from your health portal" because apparently their reps can't see advisories and somehow I ended up with 2 tickets for 1 phone call I just love the future it's so great not being able to reboot your own server

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BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006


What are your current responsibilities right now? Just normal helpdesk stuff? Any chance to help with projects internally with other teams? Have you volunteered to assist with anything you're interested in at work at the server/network level? I understand not all jobs allow people to assist like that, especially if its a regimented call center type position.

But most everyone starts at helpdesk somewhere. If this helpdesk job sucks find another helpdesk job that lets you help with some bigger projects and get some experience under your belt. Also you can sign up for a year of free tier AWS and linux and VPC to your hearts content, just buy a cheap udemy class on AWS for like $10.

CompTIA certs are OK when you're starting out but no one gives a poo poo about them beyond entry level jobs.

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