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AlternateAccount posted:Cool, truly you're winning hearts and minds, A+ good job. Gonna go slowly shrink and transform into a corncob. None of your posts on this topic were engaging with anyone in good faith, just lovely snipes trying to pick lovely fights. If you want to make the oppression about you and not talk about real oppression going on in this world, go right ahead, just please do it in your mind where the rest of us don't have to read it.
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I actually recently had credit checks initiated on me at my current place of work. I've been there for multiple years when they announced this. But the difference is, we're bank/Healthcare so we have regulations for those, to minimize people needing to skim to pay debts... Come to think of it those regulations themselves are probably pretty racist in and of themselves.
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DelphiAegis posted:I actually recently had credit checks initiated on me at my current place of work. I've been there for multiple years when they announced this. I had to have it done since I work with government, financial, all the big stuff. If you think that's bad try getting a gaming license. My wife was in management for the Ontario Gaming Commission and had to provide 10 years of bank statements to renew her license.
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Internet Explorer posted:Vets absolutely get poo poo on in a lot of the tech industry and it is a bias of mine that I have been trying to work on. I have worked with too many vets that were crappy employees/employers and it has colored my experience. You can see me talking about it several times in this thread and others. Man, if I told a black person that he's not really that bad off because there's a lot of minority-owned businesses out there, wow. I don't take offense, but in my year and a half of unemployment after school, I guess I should have just applied on the USAjobs website instead of you know, applying anywhere and everywhere I'd potentially be a good fit for. Yes, black people in general have a rougher go of things. There's also trailer trash of any color. Office work is inherently classist--is your resume all over the place because this is your first job and first resume? Not getting an interview. If you can't write professional emails, you're a moron and a bottom performer. If you don't demonstrate the trappings of middle class-hood, away with ye. I see hiring more middle-class black guys as addressing racial discrimination, but not really a good fix for addressing class discrimination, which impacts people of all color. A focus on diversity is a fig leaf at best for inequality. CLAM DOWN posted:You're right, people in this thread are confrontational about this, and you know what? That's a good thing. We need more confrontation and callouts when it comes to equity and diversity within IT. We need to have the difficult conversations, and we need to make people feel uncomfortable. It's the only way the much-needed change will happen. We need to do the work ourselves, that's what anti-racism is, it's not loving whatsoever on anyone else to do the work for us. It's not the responsibility of anyone else to convince you, it's 100% absolutely on you to read, learn, educate, and listen. The liberalism 10 years ago of "we need more women CEOs!" is rightfully being dunked on today as "we need more women concentration camp guards!" You seem fine with people chalking up any challenge to the former as misogynists. I don't believe any view is holy and beyond scrutiny--if a poster has their heart in the right place but has a bad take, it's still a bad take. Should it be challenged and replaced with a better one, or should there be a flood of no-effort snipes supporting it? The latter is what AlternateAccount seems to be up in arms against. I frequently argue against the prevailing viewpoint and don't expect a fair shake, but I'm surprised dogpiling being encouraged as advocacy.
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Contingency posted:The liberalism 10 years ago of "we need more women CEOs!" is rightfully being dunked on today as "we need more women concentration camp guards!" You seem fine with people chalking up any challenge to the former as misogynists. I don't believe any view is holy and beyond scrutiny--if a poster has their heart in the right place but has a bad take, it's still a bad take. Should it be challenged and replaced with a better one, or should there be a flood of no-effort snipes supporting it? The latter is what AlternateAccount seems to be up in arms against. I frequently argue against the prevailing viewpoint and don't expect a fair shake, but I'm surprised dogpiling being encouraged as advocacy. Its was tone policing, which this day in age where we are not even beginning to see the effects of a gigantic oncoming economic and social crisis, is pretty goddamn dumb. They got rightfully dogpiled for it.
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I found the screenshot offensive, OP's friend who works at hashicorp is a dumbass. The main point I got from OP's posting was that being mean to people with bad opinions is bad, which is a bullshit stance and I'm glad they got bullied for it.
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uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:we still haven't even found out the real reason hashicorp sucks just from using their products I can guarantee they have lovely project managers and mountains of internal technical debt
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The Fool posted:just from using their products I can guarantee they have lovely project managers and mountains of internal technical debt Weird, even vagrant which seems to have kind of a lovely rep works great for me. Consul/Vault work pretty well, and Terraform while daunting at times works pretty well for me too.
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Terraform is neat and I'm enjoying learning about it. Hashicorp, like the vast majority of companies, is probably garbage, based on the fact that it's run by humans who are, for the vast majority, garbage. Terraform is still a great tool though.
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Bob Morales posted:What’s a credit check cost? I have a friend that used to run a financing company, not sure if he got special deals because he did credit checks so often but a single credit check against a single agency was like $10-25, can't recall exactly how much but it wasn't expensive.
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MF_James posted:I have a friend that used to run a financing company, not sure if he got special deals because he did credit checks so often but a single credit check against a single agency was like $10-25, can't recall exactly how much but it wasn't expensive. Well if you want to “cleanse” 100 resumes thats $1000-2500 and I don’t see companies doing that for like....non exec positions
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Contingency posted:Man, if I told a black person that he's not really that bad off because there's a lot of minority-owned businesses out there, wow. Because there's not. Exactly what I said. You can say, in a consolatory fashion, that this person is not as bad off as they would be because there are minority-owned businesses and be correct and fine. That is true and it is important to acknowledge that minority-owned businesses do generally represent a good thing to minority communities. What you shouldn't do is say they don't have a problem because minority-owned businesses exist. That is not true and that would be discounting real systematic oppression. It's actually the same way I was talking to you about your situation as a vet trying to find a job. All of the following can be true 1) someone chooses to join the military 2) they face discrimination when finding a job after they get out 3) there are some industries which prefer ex-military employees and 4) it still loving sucks trying to find a job as a vet. Contingency posted:I don't take offense, but in my year and a half of unemployment after school, I guess I should have just applied on the USAjobs website instead of you know, applying anywhere and everywhere I'd potentially be a good fit for. I hope you did not take offense. I certainly did not mean any and if I came close to offending you, I apologize. I did not say that vets have it easy and all you needed to do was "just appl[y] on the USAjobs website." Ranking oppression sucks. I acknowledged that vets have their own problem, especially in the tech industry. The scope and specifics of the problem is not the same as what Black folks in the tech industry face. Contingency posted:Yes, black people in general have a rougher go of things. There's also trailer trash of any color. Office work is inherently classist--is your resume all over the place because this is your first job and first resume? Not getting an interview. If you can't write professional emails, you're a moron and a bottom performer. If you don't demonstrate the trappings of middle class-hood, away with ye. I see hiring more middle-class black guys as addressing racial discrimination, but not really a good fix for addressing class discrimination, which impacts people of all color. A focus on diversity is a fig leaf at best for inequality. Yes, pretty much everything in our society is inherently classist and office work is not excluded. You are absolutely right about resume and writing styles and professionalism, and I mentioned professionalism being driven by racism and patriarchy, and obviously class is a part of it, too. I agree with all of that, but let's not forget that race has a huge impact on class in the US due to systemic racism. I am all for full blown communism now, but to say a focus on diversity is a fig leaf at best, that is where I disagree. Simply having the goal of more minority voices in tech is not a fig leaf. In our economic system, employing a more diverse crowd helps elevate the socioeconomic statuses of those minority groups, which creates a bit of a virtuous cycle. We can and should talk about class, labor versus capital, and all that other stuff. But right now, the BLM movement has the spotlight and it is okay that they are getting attention as it is sorely needed. That does not preclude class struggle. It is intersectional. Contingency posted:The liberalism 10 years ago of "we need more women CEOs!" is rightfully being dunked on today as "we need more women concentration camp guards!" You seem fine with people chalking up any challenge to the former as misogynists. I don't believe any view is holy and beyond scrutiny--if a poster has their heart in the right place but has a bad take, it's still a bad take. Should it be challenged and replaced with a better one, or should there be a flood of no-effort snipes supporting it? The latter is what AlternateAccount seems to be up in arms against. I frequently argue against the prevailing viewpoint and don't expect a fair shake, but I'm surprised dogpiling being encouraged as advocacy. It's okay to acknowledge that women face serious oppression in our society without instantly saying "we need more women concentration camp guards." We can acknowledge that and still acknowledge that the neoliberal approach to the problem has been a farce. We can work within the framework and say that yes, it is important to have more women CEOs as that does add to some level of representation for women and improves their socioeconomic status within our current system. That doesn't mean we can't also say that CEOs are garbage and we need the workers to control the means of production. As far as trying to hash out bad takes and good takes, it really boils down to whether or not people are coming to the conversation in good faith. There's a lot to unpack there and if you're really interested in that topic I would recommend checking out "The Alt-Right Playbook" on YouTube as it talks about that concept and similar ones. That's a whole lot of words to basically say class analysis is good and class struggle is good, but we should not discount the identity of minority groups as they have received considerable oppression solely due to that identity. We cannot say "I do not see color," as a failure to acknowledge that oppression sides with the status quo and perpetuates that oppression. I'm just a well off white dude, hopefully I didn't butcher any of that. Please take some time to listen to marginalized voices on the topic. 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$1000 is kinda chump change to recruit for a mid-level position. Beyond that though, they don't actually have to actively do it to every candidate to be a barrier. Simply putting language on a position that you must be able to pass a credit check is enough to discourage someone. It's the same thing about asking about any convictions you might have on a job application. Whether or not your company takes action on such information to outright reject a candidate, the implication that the info may be collected at all (especially due to having no guidelines around what "passing" actually means) is enough to keep someone from going through the process. Consider a middle aged white guy who got a DUI in his 40s vs someone of the same skill level and age but was convicted for a non-violent drug offense at 19. Both look at a position that says "Contingent on passing a criminal background check." Nothing is stopping both from applying, but while the white guy is likely going into the interview with the thought of "everyone makes mistakes" with his DUI, the black guy is likely looking at the job and thinking his conviction from half a lifetime ago will prevent him from getting the position so there's not much point in spending the time in the process. Really, that's kinda the point on language like that. It's very likely that HR isn't going to take action on a vast majority of stuff that pops up, but by putting it out there that it could be a possibility, they are filtering the candidate pool down. Based on how our criminal justice system operates, that means it filters things very specificially.
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i missed most of the excitement because of a cert issue at work but I just wanted to say: I'm glad the people here call out lovely opinions when they see them I'm glad the people here will engage about why those opinions are lovely when asked in good faith I'm glad the people here have no tolerance for those that engage in bad faith being silent is being complicit
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Wooo 100+ posts in 6 hours, which usually takes like 4-5 days. Good stuff. I had my interview today. Was over an hour, and not one question that was technical related. It all was basically personality questions, which makes sense but I was surprised no technical questions were asked. The position is for a charter school. Everyone is remote learning, but I'd still be on campus, along with a few administrators. It would definitely be a big step up in terms of responsibility compared to help desk work, that's for sure. I would definitely get the exposure to more hands on work, which is something I'm looking for. I'd also be the only IT person for about 100 staff, and 900 students. I do feel like it would be a massive learning experience, but I still do have reservations of impostor syndrome. I am scared of going in there and not being successful. I'd hate to give up a stable job for this, and fail in like 30 days. There's nobody else on site to learn from other than the outgoing person for a period of time. If I'm offered it, I'll likely take it because gently caress it, like Ahhhhhhnold said "You can't climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets."
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Zotix posted:Wooo 100+ posts in 6 hours, which usually takes like 4-5 days. Good stuff. It will be a lot of hard work and you will be expected to learn fast, but you'll also get a lot good hands on experience very quickly. Don't let this job trap you. When you stop learning new things move on. If you need help with anything, 
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The Fool posted:i missed most of the excitement because of a cert issue at work but I just wanted to say: I'm glad too, I'm proud of (most of) this thread.
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Super Soaker Party! posted:Phew good thing you pointed this out, the thread had completely ignored it! Thanks buddy! I don't really have a lot to add sure, I am not the most articulate on the subject, I also didn't catch all the way up to the thread before so sue me. I do think there is some value though in just the acknowledgement from more sidelines that they are in agreement and in alignment with some of the more vocal and those taking the time to really attempt to illustrate just fractions of the complexity. Letting people see these aren't vocal minority opinions that are just talking a lot, but rather there is a more widespread and broad support to shutdown bigotry, racism, and other hate especially in the workplace is cool and good.
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TheBacon posted:I don't really have a lot to add sure, I am not the most articulate on the subject, I also didn't catch all the way up to the thread before  I'm not caught up with the thread either but holy balls that reaction is well out of normal bounds of reason. I'm not speaking for everyone but after visiting many F500s over the years whether or not agree or disagree with today's "diversity and inclusion" initiatives it is a big deal and taken seriously. Even being a lowly contractor I was sometimes expected to participate in anti-bias events, executives spoke openly spoke about police brutality, etc. My own employer provides everyone with a NY Times Subscription, it's even to a degree expected that we be involved with the world around us and keep ourselves informed. Getting that upset about a book is pretty 
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Gabriel S. posted:My own employer provides everyone with a NY Times Subscription Time to learn about anti discrimination from *checks notes* Bari Weiss and Brett Stephens 
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Saw 150 new posts and was like whoah.... I've got no one else to vent to, so I'm just going to type this out for cathartic reasons. Thanks in advance. I'm about 16 months post acquisition, and I've just realized that I'm not happy with the new company and it's management structure. It's a shame because the job is good, and would be awesome except for the management. For the first time in 16 years I'm going to be looking for a new job, and quite frankly I'm scared shitless. My position is secure for now, but the situation is untenable unless my management changes, which could be a possibility. Not the best time to be job hunting, but there's work out there. Worst case I'm financially prepared to be out of work for up to 6 months if it really comes down to it. I really wish they'd just lay me off with a nice severance package. I'd get 24 weeks pay and 2 months benefits.
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Matt Zerella posted:Time to learn about anti discrimination from *checks notes* Bari Weiss and Brett Stephens A few lovely columnists doesn't detract the entire value of one the worlds best newspapers that has been doing so consistently for generations over a hundred years.
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Last year at a Corporate Teambuilding Day, we had a video on diversity. Usual corporate platitudes about valuing everyone's contribution. The main thing I remember about it was the white balance was blown out. Everyone except the Caucasian folks was fine and perfectly visible. All the white people were ghosts. I thought this was a tastefully ironic reversal of most corporate situations. Zotix posted:Wooo 100+ posts in 6 hours, which usually takes like 4-5 days. Good stuff. Look at it this way: It'll take real effort to do worse than the person who's no longer there.
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MF_James posted:I have a friend that used to run a financing company, not sure if he got special deals because he did credit checks so often but a single credit check against a single agency was like $10-25, can't recall exactly how much but it wasn't expensive. For a credit check, particularly if you work out a bulk rate, $5 to $10 is normal. The kind of background check you'd run for someone at an entry level position would be $25. Barring special cases like a need to check sex offender registries. If you're running a background check that digs Pre-check deep, it would be $125. Drug testing adds $30 to $55 depending on how many panels you want run. But it's loving stupid way to piss away money. A person starting out on help desk is gonna have a poo poo credit score. They are likely just out of college and have debt up to their eyeballs.
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Internet Explorer posted:Because there's not. Exactly what I said. I don't think you caught what I did: I summarized the first bit of your post and replaced "vet" with "black," and it was really condescending. Let's try a different approach--take a stop by your local food bank and tell any of the out of work moms there that black people face a unique struggle, and there are jobs out there, somewhere, that prefer to hire white people. People in suffering generally do not like to hear their struggle downplayed, or be told that something should be done, but not for them specifically (or even at all). This is why today's liberalism is not making traction with the working class. Other people having it worse is no consolation when you're being evicted. For real, there's a lot of people out there of every color that are doing their best to make it to the end of the month, and the closest many get to compassion is a "check your privilege" from a third-generation college grad. You can debate and work out which demographic is truly the most oppressed, but it honestly doesn't matter. We're all suffering. Both my sister and brother work full time, neither can afford to see a dentist and my brother likely won't make it to 50. Changing the skin color of the guy that refuses their raise isn't progress. Internet Explorer posted:Yes, pretty much everything in our society is inherently classist and office work is not excluded. You are absolutely right about resume and writing styles and professionalism, and I mentioned professionalism being driven by racism and patriarchy, and obviously class is a part of it, too. I agree with all of that, but let's not forget that race has a huge impact on class in the US due to systemic racism. I am all for full blown communism now, but to say a focus on diversity is a fig leaf at best, that is where I disagree. Simply having the goal of more minority voices in tech is not a fig leaf. In our economic system, employing a more diverse crowd helps elevate the socioeconomic statuses of those minority groups, which creates a bit of a virtuous cycle. We can and should talk about class, labor versus capital, and all that other stuff. But right now, the BLM movement has the spotlight and it is okay that they are getting attention as it is sorely needed. That does not preclude class struggle. It is intersectional. It really is a distraction from class struggle, a minor justice to clothe a greater injustice. Let's say you have an economy of 10 good jobs and 20 potential workers. Half the workforce is out of work. It doesn't matter if the ratio is 9W/1B or 8W/2B, half your workforce is unable to contribute to society. You're right, there are knock-on effects where that extra black guy puts money into his local economy, but that white guy is out of work and not putting money into his. It seems like you're making an argument that because of systemic racism, black folks are more deserving of support--we need to make up for centuries of injustice. Well, the textile mills here were shipped to China in the 90s, those jobs aren't coming back. Families haven't bounced back either, and a lot of them suddenly developed bad backs when welfare was cut and now live off SS disability. Unless new jobs are being created, deciding to hire 10% more minorities is just pushing peas around on a plate. My last job had several diversity initiatives when I was there, and they made sure to emphasize them during the quarterly reports instead of the periodic layoffs. If you are maximizing benefit, don't just change a white cog to a black one, provide stable employment to as many people as possible. Internet Explorer posted:It's okay to acknowledge that women face serious oppression in our society without instantly saying "we need more women concentration camp guards." We can acknowledge that and still acknowledge that the neoliberal approach to the problem has been a farce. We can work within the framework and say that yes, it is important to have more women CEOs as that does add to some level of representation for women and improves their socioeconomic status within our current system. That doesn't mean we can't also say that CEOs are garbage and we need the workers to control the means of production. As far as trying to hash out bad takes and good takes, it really boils down to whether or not people are coming to the conversation in good faith. There's a lot to unpack there and if you're really interested in that topic I would recommend checking out "The Alt-Right Playbook" on YouTube as it talks about that concept and similar ones. The founder of my company died, it went to the daughter. The company was sold for $10 million and the 25% of the workforce was cut the following February. My team went from 3 people to just me. For some reason, I can't appreciate that it was an underrepresented demographic that cashed out. It's like half the country is being oppressed, but after decades of effort, 1% of that 50% will finally get the chance to oppress all of us. I would not expend an ounce of effort to nurture women executives, as they are already significantly better off than 95% of the population. Instead, we could work towards universal healthcare where men and women alike aren't chained to their employer for health care, and can afford to pursue business opportunities. Believe it or not, there are things you can do for people in general that benefit individuals more than a targeted effort would. Internet Explorer posted:That's a whole lot of words to basically say class analysis is good and class struggle is good, but we should not discount the identity of minority groups as they have received considerable oppression solely due to that identity. We cannot say "I do not see color," as a failure to acknowledge that oppression sides with the status quo and perpetuates that oppression. They have their own struggle, and many of us struggle too. We have enough common ground to fight together, and a rising tide lifts all boats.
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TheBacon posted:I don't really have a lot to add sure, I am not the most articulate on the subject, I also didn't catch all the way up to the thread before Hey man I'm just living up to the expectations the forum has of me, see my avatar for more explanation. I wouldn't want to disappoint anyone by trying to go beyond my station. I'll agree with the rest of your post as it's good and correct, but reading before posting is always nice.
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Wizard of the Deep posted:Look at it this way: It'll take real effort to do worse than the person who's no longer there. Well, the person who is currently doing the job is leaving for personal reasons.
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Contingency posted:words I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. We agree on a lot, but not recognizing specific historical harms isn't equity. What I am basically getting from you is - "All Lives Matter." Class struggle without intersectionality is how you end up with things like The New Deal that left out Black folks, created redlining, and exempted farm workers and domestic workers from labor protections and social security. Again, worth a read - https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/until-black-women-are-free-none-of-us-will-be-free  Internet Explorer fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Aug 15, 2020 |
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Internet Explorer posted:I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. We agree on a lot, but not recognizing specific historical harms isn't equity. What I am basically getting from you is - "All Lives Matter." Class struggle without intersectionality is how you end up with things like The New Deal that left out Black folks, created redlining, and exempted farm workers and domestic workers from labor protections and social security. Again, worth a read - https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/until-black-women-are-free-none-of-us-will-be-free It's less "all lives matter" and more "we're all essentially sharecroppers" but yeah, if you're a waitress, a raise where you can almost afford to fix your car means a lot more to them than a diverse workforce. Talk to some poor people sometime. And don't let programs like "college loan forgiveness...for Pell Grant recipients...that operate a business for three years in a disadvantaged community" bamboozle you. A program that doesn't acknowledge race isn't inherently racist, and a program that specifically addresses race isn't necessary better for said race. Aforementioned program is crafted to deny benefits to as many people as possible, and should be soundly rejected by anyone that really gives a poo poo about the less fortunate in the country. Re: New Yorker article If I were to go on strike unilaterally, I'd be fired. If I were to get a few coworkers, the company would hear my demands. If I were to get the rest of the employees to strike, the company would come to the bargaining table. If I were to get the rest of the industry to strike, the government would intervene. Change comes from power. 10 people individually striking don't have power. They're right that most people wouldn't fight for their issues as much as they do for their own. But a hundred movements with no individual power has no collective power, and decades of stagnant progress has borne that out. Sure, raising the minimum wage doesn't specifically address the minority community, but it'd disproportionally benefit them. That's a strong case for everyone getting on board, as separately we get nothing. If you want to argue how M4A and raising minimum wage is inherently racist since it's race-agnostic, you're free to, but I don't think it'll be convincing.
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Gabriel S. posted:A few lovely columnists doesn't detract the entire value of one the worlds best newspapers that has been doing so consistently for generations over a hundred years. I just read the last few pages and this post here is the most offensive one. Not actually -- the wildest poo poo's been probed, and people calling out the book, White Fragility, for being essentially a cash grab by the woke-development cottage industry, getting peddled by corporate liability experts precisely because it represents absolutely no challenge to current power structures was good. But the New York Times being considered by people to be one of the "world's best newspapers" as if it isn't coloring reporting with a violent ideology, regardless of its opinion section, is one of the bedrocks of the same system that brings us racial, gender, class, etc discrimination in the workplace. edit: bring back the tribune
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unbutthurtable posted:I just read the last few pages and this post here is the most offensive one. I don't know how to tell you this but any media organization isn't perfect and they are going to report from folks whom are truly abominable. That doesn't de-value the reporting itself. It's a good if not great source for news. That doesn't make it perfect or the only one. Ignoring one of the most most widely circulated nearly global newspaper is going to hurt not help you.
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luminalflux posted:Glassdoor that poo poo. Recruiters care extremely about glassdoor. (At least the ones I work with) Sadly the recruiter was great, it was the people above her that kept causing the issues. I don't want to complain and get her in trouble, but jesus their mid level management is a loving train wreck.
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Gabriel S. posted:I don't know how to tell you this but any media organization isn't perfect and they are going to report from folks whom are truly abominable. That doesn't de-value the reporting itself. lol it absolutely devalues the reporting. No reporting is neutral, it's infused with ideology and if you're not noticing it, you've just blindly internalized it. Ignoring NYT and WP reporting will absolutely help you fall for less bullshit. And the wire services are no better. You're only getting what editorial boards let you get, and guess who's on those? They're the same people recommending White Fragility and pulling Uber out of California to avoid following labor laws and making helldeskers work 1099 for years on end with no benefits.
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Internet Explorer posted:I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. We agree on a lot, but not recognizing specific historical harms isn't equity. What I am basically getting from you is - "All Lives Matter." Class struggle without intersectionality is how you end up with things like The New Deal that left out Black folks, created redlining, and exempted farm workers and domestic workers from labor protections and social security. Again, worth a read - https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/until-black-women-are-free-none-of-us-will-be-free The Fool posted:I need a third panel that has the adult on all three boxes And make the adult white and/or a cop. And then title it "Privilege"
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unbutthurtable posted:lol it absolutely devalues the reporting. NY Times terrible decision to publish things like Tom Cotton's facist protest letter doesn't somehow cancel out the value from reporting like Brian Rosenthal's investigation into the predatory taxi industry screwed over drivers. unbutthurtable posted:Ignoring NYT and WP reporting will absolutely help you fall for less bullshit. Ignoring the largest media outlets in the entire United States is terrible advice. unbutthurtable posted:You're only getting what editorial boards let you get, and guess who's on those? They're the same people recommending White Fragility and pulling Uber out of California to avoid following labor laws and making helldeskers work 1099 for years on end with no benefits. Yes, and your point is what? That they're biased like everyone else and prone to pressure from the our own government, other governments, rich people, economics and even the emotions of individual reporters? We are already well of that. And that is not a reason to avoid the world we live in today.
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Contingency posted:It's less "all lives matter" and more "we're all essentially sharecroppers" but yeah, if you're a waitress, a raise where you can almost afford to fix your car means a lot more to them than a diverse workforce. Talk to some poor people sometime. And don't let programs like "college loan forgiveness...for Pell Grant recipients...that operate a business for three years in a disadvantaged community" bamboozle you. A program that doesn't acknowledge race isn't inherently racist, and a program that specifically addresses race isn't necessary better for said race. Aforementioned program is crafted to deny benefits to as many people as possible, and should be soundly rejected by anyone that really gives a poo poo about the less fortunate in the country. This is a really good post. Thanks for this, I never thought of it that way.
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