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SSH IT ZOMBIE posted:Exactly this. Agreeing, with what others have said do not do this. There's always an exception but it shows your employer your actively looking for a new opportunity. If Joe asks HR for another [$X]because he got a competing offer what's to say he won't do it in another 6 months?
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Holy poo poo all the audiophile posts. I've been perusing forums and whatnot trying to put together a decent desk amp and headphone setup as well as something nice to play records on downstairs. You guys pretty much hit the nail on the head. In a similar vein, my boss asked me why there was an amp and speakers in the phone room.  My answer: Because I thought you'd get mad if you saw this in the server racks.  So I put it in the phone room instead.
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DJ GnarlyCharlie4U in the hizzouse! 4U in the racks, 4U in the sack!
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Tab8715 posted:Agreeing, with what others have said do not do this. There's always an exception but it shows your employer your actively looking for a new opportunity. Speaking of, we have an employee here (not in IT - sales, in fact, which makes this worse) talking about this job at a competitor she's applied for and interviewed at. She's been asking everyone, including her boss and other senior managers, what she should do. Better hope she actually gets the job, because her days here are numbered.
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May 31, 2016 20:08
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I've been asked by two managers in my career to give them a heads up if I am looking for another job so they can start planning to replace me. Will you be extending me the same heads up if you're thinking of laying me off, or will I find out when I walk into the room and HR's there? Speaking of lay offs, my buddy in QA got laid off last week. For those with strong memories, this is the guy who will just up and ask me what I think of video games I've never heard of. How's this for a kick? When he went into the room, he honestly thought he was getting a promotion they've talked about. How's that for going from one extreme to another?
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May 31, 2016 20:14
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I've been asked by two managers in my career to give them a heads up if I am looking for another job so they can start planning to replace me. If your notice period doesn't give them enough time to recruit and handover to a replacement then that sounds like not your problem.
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May 31, 2016 20:16
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I actually told my boss today that I applied for a position and had an interview. Key information was that it was for an internal (different department) position and they will presumably contact him about it, and we do have a pretty good relationship. He's said multiple times that he knows this isn't my final place, and I just recently got my CCNA so I think he knows what's up. He was pretty cool about it, but it was nonetheless extremely awkward. Hopefully I won't be posting about how I was suddenly fired over the next few days!
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:I actually told my boss today that I applied for a position and had an interview. Key information was that it was for an internal (different department) position and they will presumably contact him about it, and we do have a pretty good relationship. He's said multiple times that he knows this isn't my final place, and I just recently got my CCNA so I think he knows what's up.  You closed that last ticket with an overly aggressive click. Because of this workplace violence, you are on probation and no longer eligible for movement within the organization. This happened to me over "aggressively" throwing away my garbage after lunch 
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May 31, 2016 20:19
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Arsten posted:This happened to me over "aggressively" throwing away my garbage after lunch The gently caress?
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May 31, 2016 20:21
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To be fair, chaos dunking that balled-up napkin killed thousands.
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May 31, 2016 20:24
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I think the only time I'd try the counteroffer tactic is to say that you've been getting calls from recruiters/headhunters lately and while the jobs they wanted to talk to me about haven't really matched up to my career goals, the amount of money they're offering has started to get 'up there.' It's easy to say thanks but no thanks when they're offering comparable pay, but you know, I've got an obligation to my family to hear out offers that are above [Amount you want to get paid]
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GreenNight posted:The gently caress? I was looking into moving off of my job and into the NOC back in the days I worked help desk, but I was one of three people that made the help desk look good - another of which had just submitted his two weeks. After I submitted my interest to the NOC manager I told my boss, who wrote me up and put me on probation after the very next lunchtime. It was keen.  Male Man posted:To be fair, chaos dunking that balled-up napkin killed thousands. It's 2277 and Boston still hasn't recovered from my actions.
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May 31, 2016 20:45
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I would never accept one as a Full Time employee, but I've accepted one as a contractor. It's easier for a boss to throw more money at something that comes out of capex here so it wasn't a big deal. I definitely burned a bridge with my contracting company though by accepting a counter offer, having it retro'd, then finding a new job 2 months later.
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May 31, 2016 20:46
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Arsten posted:I was looking into moving off of my job and into the NOC back in the days I worked help desk, but I was one of three people that made the help desk look good - another of which had just submitted his two weeks. After I submitted my interest to the NOC manager I told my boss, who wrote me up and put me on probation after the very next lunchtime.
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May 31, 2016 20:52
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Cool, so a very similar situation to me. Look on the bright side, I have advice! Kill them and wear their skin to take their power I in no way condone the killing or skin wearing of any living person - note that politicians are not recognized as people as stated in the Magna Carta.
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May 31, 2016 20:57
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Colonial Air Force posted:Speaking of, we have an employee here (not in IT - sales, in fact, which makes this worse) talking about this job at a competitor she's applied for and interviewed at. She's been asking everyone, including her boss and other senior managers, what she should do.  What did senior management have to say about that?
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May 31, 2016 22:17
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Tab8715 posted:
Well, I'm not privy to that, but they had a brief meeting this morning with her boss. I'm sure I'll figure it out soon enough!
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May 31, 2016 23:59
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 I found the bugs! in my own computer 
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Arsten posted:I was looking into moving off of my job and into the NOC back in the days I worked help desk, but I was one of three people that made the help desk look good - another of which had just submitted his two weeks. After I submitted my interest to the NOC manager I told my boss, who wrote me up and put me on probation after the very next lunchtime. How did your manager not realize that ends up with you leaving anyway?
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I took a counteroffer in 2012 or so, and it was a great decision. In my case, my boss who is the CIO, went to the CEO who approved a promotion and large pay raise. He would not have been able to create the new position for me without some kind of leverage.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:How did your manager not realize that ends up with you leaving anyway? Because I was young and dumb. I stayed. 
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career development question: I am a system admin by experience, manager by business need, and a problem solver all around. I can write simple programs and scripts in numerous languages, including perl, php, powershell, bash, etc.. I never learned c++, though I wanted to when younger. Is it worth it, in the year of our lord 2016, to pick up c/c++? I feel I have the necessary scripting skills and management experience to weather the future slaughter of IT jobs, but I don't want to just weather it, I want to flourish. Is learning c++ going to open any future doors, or is there something better to gently caress around with in my limited spare time. For reference, I have made it through lesson 12 of learn c the hard way without learning anything that was not extremely apparent from my powershell and php experience.
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adorai posted:career development question: I am a system admin by experience, manager by business need, and a problem solver all around. I can write simple programs and scripts in numerous languages, including perl, php, powershell, bash, etc.. I never learned c++, though I wanted to when younger. Is it worth it, in the year of our lord 2016, to pick up c/c++? I feel I have the necessary scripting skills and management experience to weather the future slaughter of IT jobs, but I don't want to just weather it, I want to flourish. Is learning c++ going to open any future doors, or is there something better to gently caress around with in my limited spare time. For reference, I have made it through lesson 12 of learn c the hard way without learning anything that was not extremely apparent from my powershell and php experience.
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Vulture Culture posted:More and more of the systems programming is moving towards higher-level systems languages like Go.
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anthonypants posted:I'll often drop down to node.js if I really need to be close to the metal.
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adorai posted:career development question: I am a system admin by experience, manager by business need, and a problem solver all around. I can write simple programs and scripts in numerous languages, including perl, php, powershell, bash, etc.. I never learned c++, though I wanted to when younger. Is it worth it, in the year of our lord 2016, to pick up c/c++? I feel I have the necessary scripting skills and management experience to weather the future slaughter of IT jobs, but I don't want to just weather it, I want to flourish. Is learning c++ going to open any future doors, or is there something better to gently caress around with in my limited spare time. For reference, I have made it through lesson 12 of learn c the hard way without learning anything that was not extremely apparent from my powershell and php experience. Probably not. I'd focus on cross platform scripting languages like Python, Ruby, and Tcl, s well as how to write SOAP/REST queries in XML. These are all going to be far more useful in IT.
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psydude posted:Probably not. I'd focus on cross platform scripting languages like Python, Ruby, and Tcl, s well as how to write SOAP/REST queries in XML. These are all going to be far more useful in IT. I would also suggest a familiarity with SQL in general. It's useful when you need to quickly check on many things that link to a database of some sort, most of them use a SQL-like syntax so you can troubleshoot them fairly quickly.
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The new cool poo poo is written in GOlang. C is universal though
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Tab8715 posted:Agreeing, with what others have said do not do this. There's always an exception but it shows your employer your actively looking for a new opportunity. I took an counteroffer and so far its good. I even got a perm contract with the counteroffer. Key things were i think; I wasn't flat out denied when I asked for the raise. But was told to wait a few more months until I was working here for 1 full year. I made it clear that I liked working here but that it was financially better for me to work at the place that offered me a better salary. I'm reading all these horror stories about taking an counteroffer. I don't need to be afraid right?They made me permanent with this offer. Thats a good sign, I hope?
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Did ask politely for raise, promotion or Full-Time employment? A counter-offer is presented when you've formally told your employer your leaving the company.
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Tab8715 posted:Did ask politely for raise, promotion or Full-Time employment? I Politely asked for a raise. I said; I have migrated the AD, WSUS and DHCP servers to windows 2012R2. I have done a great job at Tier 1. Management is getting compliments about me frequently. I got MCSA server 2012 certified. But in terms of salary, i'm at the lowest of the low, can we change that? Was told to wait a few months. Got an offer from another company, Messaged my boss and told him that I got an offer from $_otherplace and asked if we could talk. I insinuated that I woud leave the company and take the offer that $_otherplace offered me. They then finally buckled and offered me a raise + perm contract.
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Sefal posted:I Politely asked for a raise. I will never understand Tier 1 managing AD... Then again, I'm currently in the process of digging Tier 1 out of several systems at my new job as well.
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SEKCobra posted:I will never understand Tier 1 managing AD... They don't here. The other tier 1 coworkers don't migrate/ deploy servers. The senior who let me do that, only did it because he trusted that I would do it right. And to help me develop. I'm always naggin him about projects. every time I'm done with something I ask him if I can do X or if he has something else in mind. I'm glad he lets me do these things because it does help me learn alot. Sefal fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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If you're updating your resume, don't put Tier 1 on it. Say you're a Jr. Enigneer or Sysadmin, include those accomplishments on your resume.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:If you're updating your resume, don't put Tier 1 on it. Say you're a Jr. Enigneer or Sysadmin, include those accomplishments on your resume. Oh absolutely. I'm tier 2 now. but I still call myself jr sys admin. When can I stop calling myself junior?
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Sefal posted:Oh absolutely. I'm tier 2 now. but I still call myself jr sys admin. You've got an MCSA. Call yourself System Administrator. As far as HR cares you're a Microsoft Certified System Administrator. (I know it's Solutions Associate)
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psydude posted:Tcl ... SOAP ... XML Network engineer spotted  Totally agree with your larger point, but Tcl is a weird-rear end language that nobody really uses outside of the networking world (where it's extremely common). I wouldn't ever answer the question "hey what language should I go learn" with Tcl unless your job is full-time network engineer. Same for SOAP and XML. Much of the world has moved on to REST and JSON data because it's less of a loving nightmare to deal with than XML. That's all just nitpicking, though. I like VC's suggestion of learning enough C that you can read it and follow what's going on. Due to the manual memory management and static typing, there's a lot of stuff you just don't have to deal with in a language like Python. Which are also the source of 99% of bugs in C programs, so being able to spot them is helpful. But it's pretty rare that you'll ever need to write a line of C as a typical sysadmin in 2016. Maybe to fix a bug in an abandoned Apache module or something. The only doors being a C wizard will throw wide open are game dev and embedded systems programming. Docjowles fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Docjowles posted:Network engineer spotted These days I prefer Powershell for my network automation tasks  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1FpcpiDns
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Docjowles posted:Network engineer spotted He does a lot of network stuff though, so I figured it's probably a good skillset to pick up. But yeah, it's very much a network centric language. XML and SOAP just won't die, despite the industry's best efforts.
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