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3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Got laid off today.

The CEO and COO pulled me in to tell me that they wanted the company to go in a different direction with projects, a direction that will no longer require a project manager.

Good luck to them, I suppose, and :yotj:

:commissar:
(Formerly Colonial Air Force)

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3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Japanese Dating Sim posted:

SHSC is rough these last couple of weeks. :/ Good look Colonial Air Force!

Thank you.

Just in time for Christmas!

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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stubblyhead posted:

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't something similar happen to you a few Christmases ago?

The first company I did IT for had a massive layoff around this time, but I was safe from that one. They were still jerks, though.

Otherwise, no, I've only ever been fired once before, and that was some short stint doing data entry.

HalloKitty posted:

Heh, I got fired on Christmas Eve once because the company paid for Christmas Party went on very late on a Thursday, and I was extremely hungover on Friday, and overslept.

Why put it on a bloody Thursday, then? It's a trap!

Ah, youthful exuberance.

My former employer's Christmas Party is this Friday; I guess now they don't need to pay for my food.

E: I should cancel that babysitter, thanks for reminding me.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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I worked all but 2 days from home as a project manager, and that was only because of weekly meetings.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Mourning Due posted:

Might be asking a bit too broad a question here, but here goes:

Currently 32, and sick of my job. Vast majority of my contracts where I am are in IT, and while their careers are flourishing mine has been stagnant for two years.

I have always liked IT, and did a year and a half of a Computer systems tech diploma course before money got in the way. Also worked as a microcomputing assistant setting up workstations and installing software across a server. However, I can't say I've got any real official IT experience outside of this, and any coding etc I would say I'm a beginner.

My question is, for those of you who currently work in the industry: what direction should I be going in? I like the idea of coding, but then I'm sure there's millions of people out there who are experts at Python or what have you. What would be an intelligent path to take if I want to be in an entry level position in say a year or so, in a specialised area of IT?

Sorry for how broad and vague this is, just want to get advice from people who have gone down this road before.

I want to flip this around: what do you like about IT? What do you like about technology in general?

That's the direction you should go.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Resume question:

When I was looking for engineering jobs, I had a section on my resume with Technical Skills. Now that I'm looking for Project Management or IT Manager jobs, should I dump that? Is there something I should replace it with, or just leave most of the page blank?

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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I have an interview next Friday!

It's for a hospital, which I know is like :ohdear: but since I don't do tech work at all, I'm not sure if it'll matter. I guess I'll find out?

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Misogynist posted:

This is the IT thread, so I'm assuming you're related to the IT field in some way. Are you more on the HRIS side?

Hospitals have a lot of red tape, and that makes it very difficult to get things done sometimes, and almost impossible to learn anything outside of your job description unless it's a very small IT department. As with any job, it varies a lot from organization to organization. A state/county/city hospital is usually going to be very budget-constrained work with little appreciation for the people who make the technology decisions from day to day, while many private health systems have plenty of technology spend and you get to be very hands-on with all kinds of really neat hardware and software.

I'm a project manager, specifically for IT.

The budget concerns could be a problem, although it is not a public hospital. I'd mostly heard that it's hard to support doctors because they're jerks and egotistical ones at that, but I suspect that will matter less (although I can think of a few ways it could come up).

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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mattfl posted:

It's not too bad, as long as you can get far enough away from the actual doctors/nurses/hospitals that you never have to deal with them. I work for the corporate part of our hospital system and my interaction with doctors/nurses is exactly 0.

This is what I'm hoping for!

I have to figure out how to ask this question in my interview on Friday.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Ugh.

I forgot about all the stupid "Come sell our bullshit insurance!" hits I'd get once I posted my resume.

angry armadillo posted:

Am I the only one that's skeptical that it's the real NK making these threats

Nope. That was my very first thought.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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ElGroucho posted:

No, whenever someone has a different approach to an issue, I immediately think of ways to terminate them

Are you my former boss' boss? Because that's exactly what happened.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Just getting your degree is a great reason to tell interviewers why you're looking for something new. :)

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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I have an interview this week, here's hoping! :yotj:

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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E-Mail was invented when there were like 4 guys using it and they knew and trusted each other. They didn't worry much about security, or really much of anything else.

Good luck!

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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22 Eargesplitten posted:

My eventual goal is to do software development. Right now I'm going to school for it while I work, but I'm wondering: Is there a way into that field through IT work without a degree?

Basically I'm just not sure how I'm going to handle getting my B.S. after this year, unless CU Boulder offers online-only B.S. degrees in computer science like they do graduate degrees. I don't know how I'll find a job in IT flexible with my school hours unless it's just a full-time evening/late night job, which would blow.

You can take other classes, maybe at a local community college, and list them on your resume. WGU offers a BS with a software development focus, but it doesn't sound like that matters much for you if you're already getting a degree.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Also a WGU alumni, it was a great program, and I've never run in to issues with employers.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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:yotj:

Well, sort of. I'm doing a 4-week consultancy/working interview for a local ski resort, but I'm fairly confident it will lead to full time employment at the end.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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CLAM DOWN posted:

Yup. I don't really have much of a choice about the WAN link unfortunately :( Obviously there are going to be problems but I'm curious what they'll be. I've done old fashioned mirroring over this same link and it's actually hilarious what happens to it sometimes. It's partially why I drink.

If you do manage to get this to work, please let me know. I'm facing a similar problem at my new place (their LOB app uses a SQL database, multiple sites connected across some very poor connections).

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Sickening posted:

Why the need for the app and the database to live apart? Why not have access the app remotely and not chop it up?

In my case, the remote connectivity is crap. This is at a mountain resort, so Internet is choppy at best. The remote sites sometimes have issues connecting, and that causes problems. I'd rather have a synced copy of the database somewhere closer, but I'm not sure it's possible.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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I want to set up some kind of monitoring for all the various things we have here at my new place. I've used Nagios and Cacti somewhat before, I'm comfortable setting them up. Are they still good options? Anything else I should check out?

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Servers (uptime, CPU, free storage space, specific services), Network devices (load especially), &c.

The kinds of things Nagios monitors.

E: Would be good if it could monitor the health of the servers that ESXi is on, too.

3 Action Economist fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Apr 4, 2015

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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I finally got Icinga2 installed and working, even got some basic host configs done (so at least all my servers and firewalls are pinged), but now I can't get it to email me.

I really hate their "documentation", and it's made worse by their support posts/IRC where they just say some version of "RTFM". I did RTFM, the FM sucks dicks.

E: But I'll drink something from the whiskey family to make me feel better.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Misogynist posted:

Are you familiar enough with Linux mail systems to figure out whether the emails are making it into your MTA from Icinga? You should have something in /var/log/maillog or similar.

The short answer is "no", but I did end up looking in the logs and it doesn't look like it's even attempting to send. I'm sure I can figure it out, I was mostly ranting that Icinga's documentation blows.

GOOCHY posted:

:yotj:! I took a new gig at Ft. Meade. Back to Maryland we go!

Please ask the NSA to delete my dick pics, tia.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Server Standard gives you 2 VM licenses, Datacenter has unlimited. (I think)

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Hooray! My contract position will become permanent!

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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We're hiring for a junior sys admin (I've posted the opening in the jobs thread), and I got two very interesting resumes today.

One is a young lady currently going to school for a degree in IT. On her resume she lists experience with breeding goats. Another is an older gentleman with absolutely no IT experience, but he's been a butcher for 11 years.

I think I'm going to hire both of them and start my goat meat empire here in IT.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Congratulations!

Do they serve mutton?

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Well, we've selected a backup/disaster-recovery solution, and now I have to tell the other vendors to go away.

I sort of feel bad, because I know one of them worked really hard to try and get me a great deal, but in the end, it wasn't the right solution (or the cheapest). I realize they're just vendors, and it's not like I'm breaking up with a girlfriend or whatever, but it sure feels like it.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Lord Dudeguy posted:

Maybe I've just gotten really bitter and cynical over the years, but does anyone see these as "red flags"?


Just screams "you can't leave so we'll at least try to make it comfortable". I know game development houses pull this stuff...

"Nap room" indeed...

I don't really have any of that, but I do work at a ski resort, so for 4 months a year I get to ski as much as I feel like.

Of course I'm a nerd, so I've never gone skiing before.

Vulture Culture posted:

1099 contract-to-hire is a really stupid move on the part of most employers because it opens them up to no end of litigation from the IRS and DOL regarding misclassification of employees. Paying the same person at the same company as both 1099 and W-2 will often automatically flag the company for an audit. Either bureau typically will go by this simple rule: if you receive instructions on how to do your job from the company paying for the contracting, you're an employee and not a contractor. One case resulted in a directory assistance company being forced to pony up $1.3 million to workers that it had misclassified under FLSA.

Is that true? I worked as a consultant for the place I'm at now, at their suggestion. They had absolutely no IT at that point, but I wasn't sure I'd like the environment, so it worked out.

They also start benefits on the 1st of the month after you start, which means I didn't really lose out on any benefits.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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I picked up trash at the mountain yesterday, too, but it was voluntary and they gave us all pizza for helping out. Keeps the Forestry Service happy, and I didn't have to answer any tickets for 4 hours.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Garrand posted:

I want to work where you work.



I haven't gone skiing in years.

It comes at the cost of the right salary, but not enough that I mind too much.

E: I mean, I work on a loving mountain and I get to ski whenever I want.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Richard Noggin posted:

I want a pic of you skiing in a revwar getup. For...posterity. Yeah....

Next winter, you got it! For that matter, you can come up here and take the picture, I should be able to get a couple free passes.

I'm thinking of doing a WW2 Ski Troop impression too....

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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As you lay at the door, bleeding to death, wishing OSHA was a thing....

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Sacred Cow posted:

Any interview I go to I make it clear up front that my kid's health issues come first. If daycare or my wife calls, I'm out the door. Your emergency no longer matters. So far I have not run into any issues.

I did interview with a manager that described his job as "our customers come first, my team comes second and my family comes third". I turned down their offer.

I've never left in the middle of an interview, but I would have in that case.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Literally everyone in this thread Googles everything, all the time, every day. You're plenty smart, dude.

Now do like everyone else said and walk away. Even if it means no unemployment, nothing to fall back on, it's far better to be a little broke than to be a lot dead.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Also, your girlfriend sounds awesome, and I'm sure she'll back you leaving and help you out with bills, &c., if need be.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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How would he even know where you were going to work, anyway?

"May we contact your last employer"
"No."

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Oh man. :laffo:

I'd been working on getting a proper backup system in place at work, and I had several vendors fighting each other for the best price. One of them dropped down from $130k to $55k (which says something about their margins), but told me the price expired on the 30th. I'm sure that was sales bullshit, but it's important for this tale.

I'm new at work, and my predecessor under-budgeted for this project. Management was expecting $10k, and that was just unrealistic for our environment, so I had to have a bunch of meeting explaining why we needed what we needed and why it was expensive (I finally got approval yesterday).

On the 30th, homeboy calls me all day, and I've been putting pressure on our CFO. CFO leaves early for the day, says "Sorry, but we need to discuss it further. I know they said pricing expires, but I'll be back Monday." I was fine with that, I understood it. I explained this to all the vendors, including homeboy.

But homeboy calls me again at about 7PM and asks if I can tentatively approve it so he can lock in the price. I said, "No, sorry, my CFO said I'm not authorized to do anything at all." He said he could have one of his partners buy it now at that price, and we could buy it from them, or he could give us a 30-day return policy. Again, "No, I can't, not allowed to!" He heard my kids in the background, even acknowledged that he was calling at an odd hour.

10:30PM. He calls me -again-. At this point, even if I found a bag of money and Jesus Christ Himself told me it was cool to go ahead with this, I would have told him no. That's just rude, calling me at 10:30 when you know I've got kids asleep.

Next day, prices are expired (or whatever - another vendor had said the same thing and then told me their CEO approved a 1-week extension), I sent an email to homeboy and said "Sorry, I know you did your best to get us this deal."

Today, nearly two weeks later, he calls me and asks how things are going with the project. I told him we went with a different vendor (one whose prices did not expire), and he started getting testy. "I thought we had a good relationship," he says. He's upset I didn't call him to give him another chance, even while saying the pricing did, in fact, expire. I told him that essentially I believed him when he told me the prices had expired on the 30th, and sorry but them's the breaks.

I figure that's that, and move on with my day.

Nope!

quote:

Hi Colonial Air Force,

After our phone call, I have to be honest, I'm disappointed. I felt like we both did everything we could at the end of last month to make things work towards a solution that benefitted us both. I asked you to move mountains and I moved mountains internally. I was under the impression that you and I had developed a good working relationship and were keeping each other in the loop.
Was there something that you I did that made you uncomfortable to reach out to me?

You explained to me a few weeks ago that [our company] was the technology of choice.

I enjoyed working with you throughout and thought we were going to reach our end goal. It must have been my miscommunication that I was under the impression you were going to reach out after your meeting.

I would still like to get this done, and would appreciate the opportunity to move [our] solution forward.

If I can find a way to keep the pricing the same as end of April, is there any way to get out of the [competitor] solution?

Thanks for the consideration.

[Homeboy]

I might reply with my own long, pointless email that explains that calling me at 10:30PM is annoying, and that when I tell people things like "the price expires", as an honest person, I mean it. Maybe he's not an honest person? And then close it out with "You're in sales, this is not the first nor the last time you will be rejected."

Alternatively, I might just reply with a "Deal With It" image macro.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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^^^ Good to know I'm not alone, at least.

Bigass Moth posted:

To be fair he probably called the revenue and didn't know there was competition. Prices do change regularly from disty.

Oh he knew there was competition, I told him upfront. That's why he dropped the price so much.

The deal was based on some money HP was kicking in for the hardware to get more HP gear out in the world, I guess? Who could tell?

Thanks Ants posted:

He works in sales, surely the majority of responses are a no? The guy needs to stop taking corporate bureaucracy delaying deals to heart.

Exactly.

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3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

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Man, I've blown so far past my budget the budget I inherited, my boss just said "What's another $2000? I probably won't even notice it."

:cheers:

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