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LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


CLAM DOWN posted:

uh isn't the cloud just magically everywhere and it runs my email?

I had a project maanger once who had a DBA for me so I could do a propf of concept on a new tool. When I asked him if he also ordered the servers the application and datbase should run on he looked at me as if hadn't ever heard of the concept of hardware.

He really didn't understand why I needed a server to install the application/database on. I tried explaining it in several ways but he only started understanding it somewhat when I asked him: "what should I do with this cd you just gave me, throw it in the air and hope it installs itself in the cloud?"

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LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Moey posted:


They all think I am nuts for making new security groups and granting access based on those. Also using service accounts is some sort of voodoo that they don't believe in.

Sounds like the dev who reset one of my applications production service accounts so he could use in the dev and test environments and locking out the actual production environment.

Still can't believe he did not get fired over that (or even a warning for that matter).

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


flosofl posted:

You better be using it for a hell of a lot more than just managing device configurations. Same with Netcool. Unless you have a "here's millions of dollars. Do what you want with it" budget.

Indeed, it's really expensive, just as the rest of their BTO suite. If you have the money, it's totally worth it though.

At my previous job we had NA, NNM, BSM, OMI, SiteScope, BPM, RUM, Operations Orchestration, Server Automation, uCMDB and ServiceManager all integrated. Thats some powerfull poo poo but drat that pricetag.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


stubblyhead posted:

High five BTO suite buddy. I agree totally, I would never advocate using NA only for configuration management. That would be like getting a Swiss army knife and only using the toothpick. My company does a bunch of BTO consulting, let me know if you're ever looking to move back into that arena. If you know what you're doing with it and aren't a total dick we've probably got a place for you.

I'm not a complete jerk, not retarded and worked with the tools from pre-HP era. Only thing is I'm living in Europe, do you guys have offices over here as well?

I worked with uCMDB for a year or 2 and can do pretty much anything except writing discovery pattern from scratch. Got almost 10 year experience with designing, building, configuring and maintaining BSM, SiteScope, BPM and RUM and have minor knowledge of OMi. Most of my experience with the other tools are integrating them into 1 big happy eco-system. I love the potential of the BTO suite, you can almost do anything with it.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


stubblyhead posted:

Our only physical location is in Austin, everyone else (myself included) is remote. I don't believe we've got anyone currently in Europe, or really anywhere outside the US tbh. We were angling for a project with a company in Germany that never really went anywhere though, so I would imagine something could probably be worked out. We mostly do OO/CSA with a little SA and DMA here and there, and so far as I know we don't have a ton of expertise with the stuff you've used--I myself have never really touched any of it aside from a tiny bit of uCMDB. I can talk to my boss if you think you might be interested. Feel free to PM me or email, username at gmail.

dropped you a PM, thanks!

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


CLAM DOWN posted:

This looks like the desk of a serial killer or coop student.

Seconded. Not a desk from someone who works in IT.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Moey posted:

Just because you are a slob and cover your desk in anime figurines, doesn't mean everyone else has to.

My company has a free seating / clean desk policy and none of the desks are as clean as the one in that picture.

I wish I could have some sort of personal poo poo on my desk though.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Guys chill out. No need to act like end users in this thread :downs:

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Kashuno posted:

Finally have a new person starting Monday and I will no longer have to worry about help desk stuff and only worry about sys/network admin stuff. Finally.

This new person will know nothing and you need to spoonfeed him for at least 2-3 months.

If you're lucky he'll pick it up from there and you'll only have to help him a few times per week for the rest of the year. If you're unlucky he'll be at your desk multiple times per day until either you quit or get him fired.

Hth.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


GreenNight posted:

He'll spend 3 days troubleshooting one printer while you take all the other user calls.

and there's nothing wrong with it

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Crossposting from the resume and interview thread because I kind of am in a hurry and this thread gets a lot more attention so it seems.

LochNessMonster posted:

After a week or 2-3 hunting for a new job I'm finding myself to be in a somewhat difficult situation and I was hoping to get some goon advice.

I'm talking to 3 different consultancy companies and I'm having my 2nd interview with 2 of them later this week. Both already let me know that if I don't botch my 2nd interview they want to make me an offer straight after the second interview. Of one of these companies I actually know the guy who'll be interviewing as we both worked at the same company before and I got along quite ok with him for the ofher company I worked together with several of their employees who've actually recommended me to their CEO. I'm pretty confident I'll get an offer from both.

I live in Europe and in my country the benefits in IT consultancy are pretty drat similar with almost every single company I know / heard of. The only thing that differs is the salary, and maybe if you work 36 (4x9)or 40 (5x8) hours a week. Pay should be compensated for
working 10% more/less.

All in all it sounds like a pretty sweet spot. The problem I have however is that my 2nd interview with the 3rd company is in 2,5 weeks. While company 1 and 2 are pretty good I actually prefer working at company 3 since the work I'll be doing for them is more interesting and challenging. The software is new to me, I'll be doing more short projects and I can get experience in fields I currently lack experience in, but in which I'd love to work later in my career (networking/security). The only reason I wouldn't want to work there is ift hey throw me a really lowball offer and don't want to negotiate (I do have a family to feed).

I really would like to wait on the offer comapny 3 will make me, but due to availability issues on both sides, the next interview is in 2,5 weeks. All 3 comapnies know my pay range, I gave them an indication within 15-20% of my current pay. So while I don't expect a lovely offer from any of them I just can't rule it out because I have experience with working for a company that did have sleazeball ethics.

So my question to you guys is, how do I respectfully tell company 1 and 2 to wait for 2 weeks before I talk to them about their offer. I don't want to string them along but I don't want them to retract their offers in case company 3 doesn't want to make me an offer (or negotiate on a potential lowball offer).

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Alchenar posted:

Just straight up ask "if you make me an offer how soon will you need a response?'"
You can also say to company 3 "Is there any chance we can bring my interview forwards? I'm talking to some other people and I don't want to be in the position of having to pass on you because I get an offer I can't wait on."

These things are hardly ever set in stone, and the companies already have decided how desperately they need someone to fill the role and vaguely how much they care about getting you personally. You don't explicitly tell 1 and 2 'you are my second choice' but you can explain that you have certain demands on your calendar and would appreciate if they moved a little in your direction.

Company 3 unfortunately can't move it forward, I asked them but they want to bring in a guy who's only available on fridays. Next week I'm in a training so can't make time for an interview so it'll be the week after. I tried for this week but that didn't work out for them.

Second interview with company 1 went pretty well. They want to hire me but made me a really low salary offer (20% lower than what ai currently earn and they roughly know my range). Told them I'm not accepting that offer and will get back to them in the week after my training. They already told me it's just a first offer and they really want to make it work, so I guess I'm able to get a decent offer if I want to go work for them.

I (feel like I) am not in the position to tell company 3 to hurry up though. They can probably get people with a similar set of skills but I don't have many options with companies like them but would love to work for them. Company 1 and 2 can't find a lot of people with the skills they want (and I have) so hopefully they don't mind waiting a bit longer.

DigitalMocking posted:

You can go one of two ways.

1) total honesty, tell them you have another option but you won't know if you're interested for another 10 days, at which time you'll accept or reject their offer(s), or
2) Accept the better of the two, tell them you need 3 weeks before you can start, if option 3 is good, call them and say you decided to decline.

I'm not sure if option 2 is legal in the country I live in (not the US). I could probably get away with option 1 since both companies really seem to want to hire me.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


DigitalMocking posted:

Not sure what country you live in, but you can always decline an offer before starting, or you can just quit on day 0. :p Its not in the best taste, but I do see it done from time to time.

You're right. I looked it up and depending on the contract I can quit without reason or consequences in the first 1-2 months. An employer can terminate a contract during the same period.

I agree it's in poor taste and don't plan on doing that.

The CEO already called me to follow up on my 2nd meeting though. Told him I have another interview lined up and will get back to him in 2 weeks. He sounded like he wanted me to come back tomorrow and sign.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


KillHour posted:

The amount of people that actually believe this is astounding.

Including my mother, who has a college degree and makes 6 figures. :doh:

This is indeed retarded and there are so many people who believe this.

It can only happen if the higher tax bracket means paying more than 100% tax on the money taxed by that bracket (i.e. never ever) or if a higher tax bracket means you lose specific welfare benefits that are higher than what you gain (only applicable in disgusting socialist states like the european union).

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


H110Hawk posted:

Mech-eng is great. All you need is some kind of experience. I would venture a guess half the people at work don't have 'CompSci'-ish degrees.

Half of my managers have a psychology degree and some just just even had some kind of music degree.... All of them just rolled into management some way or the other. Most even without IT related experiences.

Half of the IT engineers here have generic degrees, the other half IT related degrees. Experience is more or less the only thing that matters.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


CLAM DOWN posted:

I'm jealous, because cars and commuting via car really does suck.

Get a motorcycle for your commute.

Lanesplitting owns. :rock:

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


CLAM DOWN posted:

Motorcycles are for idiots with an suicidal deathwish

Motorcycles = freedom.

Do you hate freedom? Do you hate America????

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


I have it turned off completely as well. Does more bad than good.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Been reading Turtlicious' adventures/nightmare for the past few pages and I really can't wrap my mind around the fact that this company relies on IT that's set up as a house of cards.

Personally I just jumped ship and started as a senior consultant at a new company. First week was pretty low level, setting up my HP zbook 17 g2, installing some virtual boxes, docker/vantage and setting up some virtual machines to learn the new applications I'll be working with the next few years.

Coming from a generic dell latitude this hp zbook is a loving beast. I'm starting at my first customer tomorrow, teaching/helping several hundred devops teams on how to set up / enhance their application and infra monitoring.

LochNessMonster fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 7, 2016

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Sefal posted:

Ja, ik ben nederlands.

I believe 2500 euro is a fair amount for a starter like me. But please let me know if I'm shooting too high, or what you guys think I should be payed.
I think I can at least ask for the raise when I'm mcsa certified and start at my new function. Worst case scenario, I get shutdown, or I can at least go up to 2000-2200. I will get nothing if I don't ask.

It kinda depends on what your experience/education is. If you have a bachelor's degree you should be making 2250-2500ish after a year or 2. Sounds like you started with MBO (4 ICT beheer?) which makes 1700 as a starter not that unreasonable. Do you have a company car as well? I'm not familiar with pay outside of the Randstad area so ymmv.

If you want to discuss it outside of thethread throw me a PM.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


stubblyhead posted:

It was a startup that laid me off. The wife and I are looking forward to the added stability a going concern might supply.

You can still call him and tell him you heard he got a new job and tell him it's too bad since you looked forward working with him again.

It's either the money or he ran into some red flags at your new company which made him bolt. Call him to find out if you should start looking or if he just jumped ship for the money.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


stubblyhead posted:

Here's what you do. Buy an iPhone. Smash the screen. Call support. Take good notes on what they say, and repeat to the interviewer.

Pretending to have an iphone thats smashed is a cheaper solution with the same result.

Less amusing for the thread though...

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Internet Explorer posted:

Alright, so since I am too lazy/busy to start a monitoring/logging thread, I am just going to post my Splunk questions here for now. :v:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3731330

There's the monitoring thread, altough it's not that active. Unfortunately I'm not very familiar with splunk yet so I can't help you there.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


RyuHimora posted:

For instance, someone's been working at Company A for a substantial amount of time, with good performance reviews. One day the boss shows up, gives the victim employee a list of reasons why the company is fed up with them (which are immediately recognizable as bullshit) and has them escorted out of the building. For the sake of the conversation, let's put aside the lawsuit possibilites. If the employee gets an interview with Company B, how should they handle being asked about why they left the previous job? If they tell the truth, that they were fired without reason or unfairly or whatever, that seems like badmouthing the previous company. But if they lie, that's a lie, and almost certain to lose them the job.

I feel like this is something that puts the employee out of work through no fault of their own. Or am I just being paranoid?

I know you want to set aside the possible lawsuit options but the only right thing for the employee to do is lawyer up.

Besides severence pay, you want a lawyer to make agreements about how the company and employee will regard eachother in the future. For example no bad references or mentioning any of the bullshit.

I've been in a situation like this and if this isn't 100% hypothetical: lawyer up. There is no company loyalty to employees, only damage control. They don't see you as a person but as a liability. Don't think they won't completely gently caress you over if that suits them best, because they will if they think they can get away with it.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Tab8715 posted:

Agreed, while I would do the same I'm curious - how would you portray that sort of history to a prospective employer?

Say you were in a dead end. No career opportunities and you wanted a change of scenery.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


RyuHimora posted:

I guess I was thinking about the situation wrong, because this seems like the right answer. My original thinking was "What does the employee do while the lawsuit is happening", which is why I specified to leave the legal stuff aside, but now it appears that was impossible.


It was 100% hypothetical, just something that's been nagging me for a while. Thanks for all the discussion, and sorry for the thread derail :blush:

Glad it's just something you were thinking about and not actually happening. It's a lovely situation to be in.

As to what an employee can due during the lawsuit is fairly straight forward.

1) play along and sccept you were fired.
2) say you don't agree with their reasoning and tell them you'll contact your attorney. Mention you want to continue to work for the company.

Either they'll escort you out or they'll let you work there until the company lawyer settles things with employee lawyer. Option 2 is fairly common in my country, but I from what I hear it's not common in the US.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Japanese Dating Sim posted:

US at-will employment owns. You can be fired in at-will states for no reason at all, and in fact that's a recommended way for employers to fire people so as to not accidentally cite a protected status.

Out of curiosity, is there any chance you get severence pay in court, or work something out between lawyers outside of court? Or is it more of a tough luck deal with it kinda thing?

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


DigitalMocking posted:

I fired a guy for literally doing a bump of coke on his desk as I walked in the door with a customer in at at-will state.

He sued.

We lost. We had to pay for lost wages and cover his insurance for almost 4 months.

The reason we lost? I hadn't written him up previously for doing lines of coke on his desk. No, I'm not joking.

I must admit the at will concept sounds pretty crazy to me from an employee point of view. This puts things in perspective though.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


jaegerx posted:

Working in IT 4.0: The cloud solves everything

Working in IT 4.0: Thinking out of the cloud.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Vulture Culture posted:

You're not gonna put a non-technical manager on these questions.

The company I used to work for did put a non-technical manager on top of every IT team. Preferably people with Liberal Arts or Philosophy degrees. Because: "a good manager doesn't need to be a SME".

Needless to say these people were responsible for taking every technical decision and a lot of them made choices based on their professional opinions (based on nothing).

Mind you this was a billion dollar annual profit company. they're laying off 15% of their employees for the 3rd year in a row now

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


psydude posted:

Actually that's true, good managers don't need to be subject matter experts. They do, however, have to know when to call on subject matter experts (who have people skills) to explain complex technical ideas in certain meetings.

Managers in general shouldn't be SMEs. Knowing you need servers (or the cloud) to host applications would be nice though.

I only wish I was kidding about that.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Docjowles posted:

nah bro just install jenkins and puppet and :boom:, you got the devops

Ftfy

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Daylen Drazzi posted:

Had our Flight Lead (#3 man in the org after the commander and PM) mention this morning that our monitoring platform is going away...tomorrow. Wants us to come up with a replacement or, if that isn't possible immediately, get rid of vCenter so they can get something like SCOM or NetCool. I looked at my co-worker and just shook my head. I honestly couldn't come up with an adequate response for such blatant stupidity.

I work for a company that designs / implements / upgrades monitoring solutions so I feel your pain.

"What do you mean, you can't just next next finish install something that works automagically out of the box".

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


H110Hawk posted:

During negotiation of my leave my new manager actually used a phrase which implied I didn't want the company to find out they could continue without me. I assume he meant it as a threat? I told him I was insulted by his offer. (Exact words.) He seems to think I'm afraid of quitting or being fired. :toot:

Congratulations with becoming the most beautiful thing in the world.

Also, your boss is an rear end.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

It's a little early for April Fools isn't it?

:master:

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Another vote for not going to HR ever, besides sexual harrasment.

Even at the most reputable companies, HR will gently caress you in the rear end without lube

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


GnarlyCharlie4u posted:


pretty much. I've watched people get hosed over super hard by "HR" at every job I've had.
Thankfully I learned that lesson through the mistakes of others.

I wish I could say the same. At least it learned me some valuable life lessons (and HR hosed up big time so my lawyer ate them for breakfast).

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Sefal posted:

This got a chuckle out of me. It is so true

Edit: about salary negotiation.
A recruiter contacted me. We had a talk and the point of salary came on. They asked how much i wanted. I replied with "how much are you guys offering." To which they replied with. "How much do you make now"
I'm new to this game. So I did not know how to reply to that. I just lied and told them I make a bit more than i do now.

After our talk. I told them i'm not interested in the job.
They still were persistent that I come talk to them again to see if they can convince me.

Second meeting happened and they asked what would convince me to jump over to them. I said the salary. Study material for certs and a monthly salary of 2.5k gross monthly.
They said they will mail me an offer this week.

I have no intention of jumping ship to them. I mostly want to use their offer to negotiate a raise in addition to everything i've done this past year to qualify for this 70% raise.


Would this be dumb?. And how do I negotiate salary with recruiters without loving myself over?

Read the negotiation thread and ask there, it contains a lot of great advice from people who appear to know their poo poo.

E: this thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3768531

LochNessMonster fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Apr 5, 2016

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


DigitalMocking posted:

I would laugh at them and kill whatever software they're talking about before it was installed.

That's insane for 2016.

Just quit doing business with retards like this.

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LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Just found out my previous employer is getting rid of 25% of their employees. First one to leave is the CIO.

I guess this is why those faggots are making me contact my lawyer again for not paying me my contractually agreed upon severence pay.

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