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howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Every episode of the new show where they've done a Dalek redesign has been a poo poo show, so maybe some things are better left as they are.

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howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Regy Rusty posted:

I just saw DoctorWhat on TV.

That was pretty goddamn glorious.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Zaggitz posted:

They hosed up making him cockney cause Tennant's natural Scottish accent is real fuckin sexy.

I could listen to him say Miller like he does Broadchurch all day.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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On the accent front, how much attention is paid to actors using a dialect that isn't there own? By that I mean was there as much scrutiny on Tennant's Estuary accent in Who as their will be placed on his American accent in Gracepoint? Or are accents just another part of the British actors toolbox?

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Oxxidation posted:

Parallel universes are seldom a good idea.

Parallel universe stories can work if your actors have the chops to sell the hell out of the idea that There's Two Of Everything. So basically Fringe.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Soothing Vapors posted:

On the other hand, parallel universes also have some value when your cast is as hilariously bad as Noel Clarke. His "acting" as Rickey is amazing.

I don't remember the episode well enough to know if it was in this or part 2, but isn't that part of the joke with Rickey?

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Does anyone with more behind the scenes knowledge know why these were the only two episodes written by this particular writer? If a writer can pull off a two-parter as well as this one you'd think they'd bring the guy back for another round. Or did Rusty have to do a lot of work to salvage the scripts?

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Pinwiz11 posted:

I think the worst thing about the episode, yes even worse than THAT, was the wasted potential. It started out so good and the quality dive was so horrendous and scarring that sometimes I wish that RTD could be made to pay for it.

Yeah, it's a perfectly nice little bit of fluff until the turbonerd shows up and ruins everything. Heeey wait a second.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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mind the walrus posted:

Scooby Doo hallways? That was all adult-grade terrible baby.

I liked the Scooby Doo hallways. :shrug:

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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I think what bugged me most about Fear Her, beyond the Torch thing which is just Rusty being Rusty roll your eyes and move on, is the vanishing of the entire stadium of people. There was something about that sequence that really annoyed me when I watched the episode, it was just too big for the stakes of the episode.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Jurgan posted:

Like a certain guest star in "The Fires of Pompeii."

I kind of hate myself for saying this, but guest stars. But we'll get to that.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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I think, age of steel/doomsday make up the best season finale of the RTD era. There are good elements to the other ones, but then...yeah...stuff...

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Tennant was so good in Broadchurch, such a different performance from Who.

Autonomous Monster posted:

Looks to be straight line-for-line frame-for-frame remake, in fact, which is bizarre, and has to be setting a new record for pointlessness in pointless transatlantic remakes. At this point you're just reshooting the thing with American accents! :psyduck:

Gracepoint is going to have two more episodes of Broadchurch and they've already said the ending will be different so it will have to diverge at some point. However I've also heard from critics that the first couple episodes are shot for shot remakes, so we'll see.

howe_sam fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Sep 9, 2014

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Soothing Vapors posted:

Oh neat. Guess I know what I'll be watching when I finish Who.

Broadchurch is loving bleak. It's not sensationalistic murder porn like Criminal Minds, I don't think they ever show the actual murder for instance, but it's a grim show. I really don't see how they're making a sequel. Great performances by a bunch of people, including a bunch with connections to Doctor Who, and really well shot though.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Is it revealing too much to say that I think most of this season is complete garbage and that as a result Martha (though through no fault of the character) is my least favorite of the companions?

In Smith and Jones I really did like the Judoon. They're cool Jim Hensony stumpy aliens.

Oxxidation posted:

Martha's meeting with the Doctor, on the other hand, feeling more like a deliberate recruitment; when the hospital blips onto the Moon he's clearly testing her, feeling out her responses and reactions to the situation to see if she's make a fitting Rose I mean Companion. You can almost hear Davies' hand frantically slapping around London trying to grip a new Companion so he can slot them into Rose's place and get the machines started up again.

You know, this made me wonder, maybe the Doctor's curiosity got piqued by Martha when she talked about running into Future him on the street at the start of the episode. Therefore he knew that there was something about Martha that caught his eye and he had to see what that was.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Toxxupation posted:

WAIT ARE YOU FUCKIN SERIOUS? REALLY? THAT'S THE FUCKIN...CHRIST

This almost makes me want to start a rewatch of season 3.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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I deliberately avoid knowing what the gently caress homestuck is so I have something I can be all snooty and "kids today" about, please don't take that away from me.

Also, I can't wait for the next review(s).

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Speaking strictly for myself, it's been so long since I've seen this episode that the only thing I remembered about it was the terrible cgi they used to make Lazarus the monster. So when that's the only thing that comes to mind you tend to lump the episode in the bad pile.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Jerusalem posted:

I think the moment it really hit home for me was when Hutchinson complains that Latimer is being shoddy during their gun practice session and asks for permission to beat him. Smith doesn't even remotely hesitate, he just gives an instant and bored "permission granted", more interested in chatting with the Headmaster.

Yes, that was a stand-out moment for me as well. It helps that we saw how the Doctor would behave if he was a teacher last season in School Reunion.

Rarity posted:

The setting is captured perfectly and with so much poignancy, there's a constant sense of impending tragedy in WW1 waiting just around the corner.

I loved the quiet resignation of the headmaster. He knew they were training kids for the wood chipper, but still went along with it because that's what had to be done.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Zaggitz posted:

I'm pretty happy we've reached this block of episodes. Tennant's best three episodes in a row.

Maybe even the best three episode run in the history of the revival. Peaks and valleys this season man.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Bicyclops posted:

Lots of people hate the ending to the Family of Blood, but I think it's one of the defining moments in Ten developing his ego problem.

And yet it's one of my favorite parts of the episode. I mean the punishments the Doctor inflicts on the family are horrific, but at the same time they are so fairy-tale and mythic that it just works.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Glenn_Beckett posted:

Yah, almost like it's famous for being like the best episode or something

People say that but it's not precisely because it's structure is so atypical for the show as a whole

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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thexerox123 posted:

And as everyone knows, when you're selecting a best episode, you've got to go with one with a typical structure!

Don't get me wrong, this is a drat great "hour" of television, I just think there are a couple of episodes that are even better, but I can't defend that just quite yet in this thread.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Toxxupation posted:

I don't know how Doctor Who's overall writing process works, but the singular writing credit per episode implies that stories are first broken and then assigned to a given writer in the pool based on whatever byzantine system of favors and interoffice politics Davies engages in, with little to no story/editing or roomwork.

People who know more of the behind the scenes stuff can feel free to correct me, but I don't think the show has ever had a traditional writer's room. Instead the writers are more like freelancers who come in do their episode and then the show runner goes in and adds however much stuff he feels the episode needs to move the season arc plot along.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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I rewatched Partners in Crime last night. It's such a good light comedy.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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quote:

And she took all of that knowledge, that opening of her worldview to an intergalactic level, from her brush with The Doctor, with greatness, and what did she do with it? Nothing. Donna promised The Doctor that she was going to travel, that she was going to live her life to the fullest, and beyond one ill-advised trip to Egypt she's right back where she started- living with her parents (well, parent), out of work, living an unfulfilled life.

And yet at the start of the episode she did everything the Doctor did, but without the psychic paper, or sonic screwdriver. Donna is the best :unsmith:

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Toxxupation posted:

I mean almost all the character names are the same, but even beyond the fact it's tennant in the same role in both shows i think the same actress plays the hotel owner and the same lady plays the angry loner dog woman in the trailer home

If they're not the same actors then that's even loving weirder because they then must've gotten two actresses who look almost exactly like them, it's fuckin WEIRD guys

Tennant's the only person who appears in both.

Did we mention before that Broadchurch features not one, but two Doctors? (Adventures in Time and Space is kosher for this thread right?)

Arsenic Lupin posted:

GRACEPOINT strikes me as being like that weird shot-for-shot remake of a Hitchcock movie somebody did a few years back -- was it PSYCHO? I forget -- in that if you aren't going to do it better, don't bother.

Yeah, It was psycho. Soderbergh took the two, stitched the version together into one film recently and posted it on his website.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Republican Vampire posted:

To be fair, it was apparently Davies who killed Rose Tyler: Earth Defence. So at least he spared us that.

e: Actually, Earth Defence was the missing link between her in Doomsday and her here, so he just wrote it like he did the stupid spinoff. Back to hating how he handled her character.

Wait, what, they were seriously planning a loving Rose spin-off in the Redverse?

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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30.5 Days posted:

Also BAD WOLF
BAD WOLF
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BAD WOLF
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BAD WOLF
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That was actually pretty cool.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Gaz-L posted:

There's something either about the scripting or performance in that flip-the-switches scene that drives me crazy. Like, most technobabble on sci-fi TV is bullshit, especially on Who, but it's normally either at least plausible BS, or backgrounded enough that you can ignore it and go "Eh, it's magic", but that scene just rubs your face in "LOOK AT HOW MUCH UTTER SHITE SHE'S TALKING! YOU WATCH THIS CRAP, YOU FUCKIN' TWAT!"

Yep, the whole DoctorDonna bit just didn't work for me, it was just too much on top of too much.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Arsenic Lupin posted:

tl;dr Everybody on the show was worn the gently caress out and needed to move on.

Is there anything in The Ballad of Russell and Julie that references the Year of Specials or are we free to link that now?

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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She and Vega bang during the party at Shepard's apartment on the Citadel.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Tiggum posted:

How does the universe know the difference between deliberate attempts to change history that must be stopped and accidental history changes that can just be worked around?

If the Doctor travels back in time and unknowingly meets and interacts with Adelaide's ancestors, it's fine because everything works out as it already would have. If he deliberately travels back and interacts with them to prevent her from being born, time monsters?

Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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thexerox123 posted:

And it will be a good palate cleanser

The palate cleanser is the Year of Specials wrap party video imo.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Republican Vampire posted:

It's the Ballad of Russell and Julie, surely.

Ballad of Russell and Julie feels more like a Season Four palate cleanser imo.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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mind the walrus posted:

The last verse has a line about Dave's regeneration. It's a cap to RTD's run.

The last verse is about how he has an idea of how Ten is going to regenerate, yes it's a cap, but it's before they made End of Time (i'm guessing I honestly don't know).

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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I always thought Ten's last line was nice, but I couldn't shake the disconnect of Ten who didn't want to go, and Tennant who did. Especially since I had been looking forward to seeing what he and Moffat would cook up together, but instead we got Smith.


And finally, important videos:
The Ballad of Russell and Julie, which is a fun little wrap-up of RTD and Julie Gardener's run on the show (it's The Writer's Tale condensed down into 6 minutes).
David Tennant's Wrap video. The absolute gusto from Tennant. :3:

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Bicyclops posted:

I also don't like Die Hard,

You are wrong etc etc.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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And Gracepoint...wasn't terrible

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howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

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Sent in my guesses as well. I'm going to tank hard, but I love this season too much not to take part.

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