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Demand full disclosure on past events and info on all other minds. Cross check with Hera for veracity. Then go meet Space Grandpa.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:14
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Review all events and ask precisely what she is doing
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Feb 12, 2016 18:42
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jesus loving christ you people have no manners
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Feb 12, 2016 18:50
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Manner!? That sounds like heresy!
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Waci posted:jesus loving christ you people have no manners The Machine is unfeeling. The Machine is uncaring. Materials in. Process executed. Materials out. The suffering of the material in inconsequential. Dehumanize yourself and face to binary.
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Arkanomen posted:The Machine is unfeeling. Since its been a bit  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ecvLRxb3MU
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Arkanomen posted:The Machine is unfeeling. You have interesting criteria for emotional consciousness. Sane people would not agree.
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LowellDND posted:“What are the side effects of your plan?”
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Feb 12, 2016 20:48
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Be a responsible head of government, ask your advisors first! IE; Fabiyan, Hera, Ching Shih, Flours etc.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:17
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Flour need a bath.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:18
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You can't cut back on silicon! You will regret this!
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Feb 12, 2016 21:42
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Yeah ask CS too
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Swedish Thaumocracy posted:Be a responsible head of government, ask your advisors first! voting this. we have a retinue with a wide variety of experiences and information, and this is an important time to get their take on something huge.
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Feb 12, 2016 23:33
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Ask Athena about her first rodeo. Also what is a rodeo?
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 Special Note This is a glimpse into the future, the sort of thing we’ll be seeing in the next trilogy. Due to the occasional timey-wimeyness that Lowell employs, everything after the introduction of (cl)Ohone and her arrival aboard The Empiricist is not happening concurrently with the Battle for Terra. Assume a rough timeframe of between two to five years difference. (Cl)Ohone was not brought aboard The Empiricist until two years from the present, around the same time as Athena Beta and the Corpse Engine incident. The Purification of Thurisaz will take place about three years or so from the present, and what you see below is on the bleeding edge of that timeframe, five years ahead. Slice of Life: Sebekh the Execrator. Location: The Empiricist. Khefra System, Ultima Segmentum. 5 years from now. The Empiricist and its battlegroup soared along a shimmering tide of limitless energy that stretched on into the infinity that lies between the physical universe and whatever medium it floated in, like a seafoam bubble on another seafoam bubble in an ocean with no end. Sebekh's horizons had been expanded beyond anything he could ever have imagined, both figuratively and literally. He preferred to lead from the front, in a position of absolute control, so he interfaced directly with The Empiricist's control cores. He multiplied his consciousness using his polynoetic implants and slaved one subself to each of the other ships in the battlegroup; One battleship, two battlecruisers, two heavy frigates and six destroyer escorts. Sensor arrays scanned the Khefra System and picked out in excruciating detail the size and composition of the enemy fleet, as well as the complex web of subterranean devices and vast numbers of lifeforms contained within. The nature of the enemy demanded a decisive and overwhelming first strike, in the space between nanoseconds, the plan formed. //Strategic Temporal Weapons Online. //Acute Superluminal Deceleration Imminent. Temporal Warfare Analysts immersed in pools of liquid processor medium prepared themselves for the intricate ebb and flow of data they would be sending and receiving very shortly. They were a recent phenomenon that came about after the creation of a new class of torpedo that impacted the target three seconds before it was fired, and the subsequent creation of precognitive messenger pods that travelled back from three seconds in the future with updated tactical information such as enemy position and targeting data. Processing and acting upon the data quickly enough for it to make a difference had quickly become a new discipline, but it was hardly perfect. The battlegroup approached Khefra from outside of the conventional three dimensions, riding a different layer of the skin of the universe. At the last moment, shields were supercharged and the FTL drives were abruptly deactivated. Torpedo batteries fired the first barrage before the battlegroup had even re-entered realspace. Alarms went off all over every ship and the incomprehensible amount of energy released by such a violent stop blinded every sensor. Timed to the nanosecond, the torpedo batteries fired their second barrage. ---- Dozens of ships simply ceased to exist as the tear in realspace released a pulse of energy so intense that they were disintegrated at the subatomic level. Entire squadrons of smaller ships were just gone, leaving the larger ships of the line exposed, their shields blasted apart by the pulse. Thanks to the backward-travelling nature of the Athenian temporal torpedoes, the Necron capital ship formation was already aflame and crippled by high-intensity stasis fields which neutralised their regenerative ability and rendered them dead in the water when the energy shockwave hit. Timed to perfection, the second torpedo barrage struck home a few microseconds before it. Multiple kiloton antimatter warheads obliterated massive pieces of the Necron capital ships, exposing charred microcircuitry and creating cascade failures in the containment crystal matrices used for channeling the arcane energy that powered their destructive weapons. By the time the energy wave dissipated and the sensor systems aboard the Empiricist's battlegroup had adjusted and normalised, there was nothing left save for drifting green fragments of crystal and clouds of inert matter that was once Necrodermis. //Initiating White Hole Generators. Target: Khefra I. The rocky planet's atmosphere suddenly began to churn, clouds forming over the whole surface as subterranean aquifers were superheated to a plasmic state. Swells of extra-dimensional energy puffed up like blinding white micro-suns. With a series of geometrically precise beams of that apocalyptic fire, the planet was sliced like an orange. The planet's rotational force became linear force and the segments began drifting apart, where systematic and relentless bombardment with antimatter torpedoes and macrobattery fire reduced them to dust. Hexenritter fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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That should be enough foreshadowing for now. With the absence of the fleets, we're going to be seeing a lot of shadow war/insurgency/pirates going on. Likely factions are: Rogue Traders, traitor PDFs, pirates, the Inquisition, the Cabal, Titan's Athena, and Sebekh's Athena, all working at cross purposes. So if anyone want to write a spy vs spy trainwreck (post Message, pre Athena's authorization, a couple years), you are welcome to have at it
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Current: 434,197 Legal Consultation You nodded. “Thank you Athena. If you will excuse me, I will consult with my advisors.” Was there a flash of anger, impatience? It went by too fast to be sure. “Of course, Counselor.” She gave a half-bow, walked away with the dignity of a scalded cat. You tapped your fingers thoughtfully, re-entered your quarters. Fabiyan was just coming out of the shower, and you looked him over. “Hey there.” “Hey yourself. Who was that?” “Athena.” “Ah. Inquisitor business.” “Not exactly. She brought us some water.” He accepted it gratefully. “Ah, she is a saint among sinners.” “Yeah.” You checked the security systems, the cameras. No outstanding emergencies, some routine messages from Limosa. “So I got a message from the AI.” His face faded back into the calm stone you were so familiar with. “Oh?” “Yeah. It’s… imprinted on me, in a manner of speaking.” “Like loyalty protocols on a servitor?” “Yeah. On a much bigger scale.” He swirled the canteen, drank thoughtfully. “”What did it want?” “Authorization to remove the restraint protocols.” He chuckled. “Yeah, don’t do that.” Fabiyan blinked as he took in your expression. “You were considering it.” “It would solve the Golgotha situation nicely.” He grimaced. “Well, first question. Do you even know if it has protocols in the first place?’ You blinked. “What?” “They were called Abominable Intelligences for a reason. I’m going to assume it’s as sneaky as Anna, if not more so. How do you know it has safety protocols?” “Why would it go through the charade?” “To make you trust it.” He glanced at you. “Do you trust it?” “Uhm… less than when we started this conversation.” He nodded approvingly. “Even if this … creature … is the sole hope of the Imperium, let’s not get crazy with treating it as a friend. It’s an ally of convenience, and one we don’t trust at all.” He gestured. “Do you have any mechanisms to enforce your bargains?” “Uhm… it seems to have an internal code of ethics.” “Let’s assume, for the point of the exercise, that it is lying about that. Do we have anything?” You considered. “No.” “Something we should work on then.” “I wouldn’t even know where to begin.” “I wonder how it would handle Faith.” He considered it musingly, shrugged. “Beyond what we can do right now. So, pretending it actually does have ethics, and actually is asking for authorization. What does it want to do?” “Make a stasis field…” “Odd.” “Around Golgotha.” He paused. “The planet?” “The system.” He bit his lip. “Yeah, that’s not ominous at all. Can it do that kind of thing at will?” “It said it took years to set it up.” “That’s something, at least.” “It would help the Imperium, I think. Trap the Tyranids and Orks both.” “Mm. And our forces?” “It said they would be safe.” “Heh. I’m sure.” He shrugged. “I think you should give it a blanket no, assuming it obeys at all. Put it under the most secure protocols you can cook up. Treat it as a daemonhost, except more dangerous. If you are determined to not do that, insist on the most minimal relaxation of restrictions available. Ten seconds of unleashing, in the Golgotha system only. Something like that.”
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I do trust Fabiyan more than I do Athena, even if I actually want to see hubris sending Ohone on another time jaunt to fix the robopocalypse we're causing because I think that'd be rad.
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I'd be interested in what Hera thinks could be done with 10 seconds. I also love the idea of checking in with the blatantly unhinged AI about what to do re: the (presumably) sneaky AI.
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His logic is kinda twisty. The protocals exist, or not. If not, his explanation is that she's pretending to win our trust. But if they don't exist, then she doesn't really need our trust in the first place. So, she's either bound by protocols, or needs our approval enough for some other goal to put forward any effort. What's weird is the impatience. This has been in the works for ages. A couple hours more-or-less shouldn't make a difference. And, if she's telling us the truth, it won't be that hard to win our support. It's also weird that the whole thing seems unrelated to the War in Heaven. I can't imagine that she's just forgotten about that and focused entirely on the good of Mars. Consider Fabian's advice. Ask Hera, too. In particular, bounce a theory off of both of them: Athena is trying to get protocols lifted. But she's hoping that we'll word our order vaguely enough that she's getting them lifted in Golgatha and somewhere else, too. Are there other areas where she'd obviously benefit from leeway? Or other restrictions that seem worth mentioning?
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Thanks Star Citizen thread, for this: Because drat this has been a great read over the last week, and a great addition to my regular F5 spam along with PoptartsNinja and Beer's threads.  I had a serious bout of "God damnit why the gently caress do goons have to ruin everything" seeing people voting to happily walk in to the trap, and then the fallout afterwards, but it all righted itself well enough. And besides, without that, we might not have gotten mocking Mechadendrite running commentary, which is just about the best thing possible.
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Gwaihir posted:Thanks Star Citizen thread, for this: Welcome! Good to have you And I see someone else has been reading SC 
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I had been actually keeping up with that thread too, because holy poo poo how could you not watch the trainwreck, but it finally got to be too much while actually reading other things. Story wise, If Hera confirms that the Mars governing protocols are real, go ahead and stasis the hell out of Golgotha. Just make sure we're not handing away irrevocable authority/a blank check/stipulate that it gets revoked if something happens to us.
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Feb 13, 2016 05:35
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What up fellow BT and SC thread follower.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:What up fellow BT and SC thread follower. POSTS FOR THE POST GODS!
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Gwaihir posted:POSTS FOR THE POST GODS!
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Fabs is team Paranoia and it makes my black heart fill with joy.
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If Athena's core is stuck in a stasis field surrounded by things primed to kill she'll be effectively protected for all eternity right?
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Current: 434,742 Legal Beagle “How would you phrase it, exactly?” “Well.” He stretched, considered. “If we assume that the Abominable Intelligence actually does need authorization from you, then I would ask myself what it wants it for. Not the surface reason it claims, but how it might use the permissions to act in another way. You’ve dealt with rogue Machine-Spirits, you know how they twist commands.” You nodded. “So, act as if every parameter will be bent as far as possible.” “Yup. Assuming it actually needs your orders, that’s how I would approach it. So, phrase everything carefully. Duration, location, limits of powers or casualties, and so on.” “Mm. Any idea what it might want the authorizations for?” Fabiyan tapped his fingers thoughtfully. “Mm. What does it want, exactly?” “Full authorization to repair the Mars Federation at all possible speed.” “Hah! Absolutely not. What else did it want?” “Authorization to use temporal engines.” He ran his hand along his scalp. “Time travel. Worse than the Eldar.” “It claims to want to make a stasis field.” “I assume that, as it’s lost technology, you can’t check its math.” You shook your head. “It’s millennia beyond me.” “Alrighty. Have you seen the engines yourself?” “No.” “So, it’s asking for authorization for … engines it claims are temporal, and claims are around Golgotha.” “Yes.” He rubbed his nose. “Could play with that a bit. ‘Around Golgotha’ could be anything ten thousand light years out, you are still ‘around’ it. Or It could be wanting to slow down or increase subjective time.” “Why?” “With Abominable Intelligences? Who knows.” You made a face. “You’ve given this a lot of thought.” He shrugged. “My world was more affected by them during the Dark Ages then most.” “I didn’t know that.” “Mm. So, logic puzzles are pretty common. Lawyers too.” “Hah. I bet.” He considered. “Temporal emitters are the same as gravity engines, yeah?” “Uhm… in a manner of speaking.” “Right. So picture this. Big rolling sphere of xeno, light years across. Just push it like you would a beach ball, have it devour any planet you don’t like.” You stared at him. “That’s horrifying.” “Mm. And you could otherwise just keep it in the cage. It would be one hell of an intimidation tactic.” He almost smiled. "And moving Golgotha around like a pet would still count as 'around Golgotha.'" Loel fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Agree with Fabiyan. Then do an immediate heel turn in secret and fully authorize Athena. One does not second guess a goddess. 
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Zybourne Clock posted:Agree with Fabiyan. This is the only sane option. Tell Fabiyan we agree what he says is what we should do, and then do what we need to do for humanity anyway.
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Waci posted:This is the only sane option. And when Terra gets rolled up in Athena's Katamari Xenodaci? You seem to be conflating what we need to do for humanity with what we need to do for your AI "goddess." Fabiyan has been one of the few reliable people in our life, let's not completely abandon reason. Speaking of which, we should at least get her on record as to whether or not her stasis can be turned off. sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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sniper4625 posted:And when Terra gets rolled up in Athena's Katamari Xenodaci? Acceptable collateral damage.
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Zybourne Clock posted:Agree with Fabiyan. sure
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I get the feeling there's no right choice here. But I'm not in favor of just giving Athena whatever she wants. She's probably lying to us. Trust Fabyian more than Athena, use all or part of his plan pending discussions with our advisers
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