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Durk Hendrunkqs
Dec 12, 2006

It's useless.


CopywrightMMXI posted:

What are the worst ECW ppvs (not counting WWECW)?

I had watched them all recently and the one that stood out as being pretty lovely was Wrestlepalooza 98. The main event was an injured Shane Douglas vs Al Snow in his last match before going over to the WWF. Everything else was pretty forgettable. ECW ppvs mostly felt like a giant party so impromptu matches were OK. Some would say November 2 Remember 97 was the worst one but at least Sandman and Sabu was memorable for how bad everything was (also Sandmand was supposedly on acid calling Sabu a lizard for a good portion of the match).

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Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless


I'm trying to remember the name off it, new year's something, it was the only major WWE PPV to be done in Puerto Rico.

Main thing I remember from it was Maven get pinned twice I believe within 10 seconds and Lita landing outside the ring in a way that it legit looked like she broke her neck. I recall a lot of matches having to be cut due to injuries during that PPV.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009





Alteisen posted:

I'm trying to remember the name off it, new year's something, it was the only major WWE PPV to be done in Puerto Rico.

Main thing I remember from it was Maven get pinned twice I believe within 10 seconds and Lita landing outside the ring in a way that it legit looked like she broke her neck. I recall a lot of matches having to be cut due to injuries during that PPV.

New Years Revolution 2005. I vaguely remember the main event being alright, but the rest of the matches were utterly terrible.

sexy_trash
Jul 4, 2008

WH2K IS JERICHO

jpmeyer posted:

Most of the candidates people are bringing up have self-evident, easy to grok explanations for why they are bad. So-and-so was on drugs, X number of matches featuring people that can't work, etc.

The short answer to "Why is New Blood Rising the worst PPV ever" is that it was so overbooked and so obsessed with shooting that you basically had no idea what your response was supposed to be to anything that was going on.

People will say things like "5 words: Judy Bagwell on a forklift" but that doesn't really get into why that is terrible. It seems self-evident, but it's so much deeper than that.

First: why is she on a forklift? There's multiple levels to this. "Why?" in the sense of "what is the reasoning behind having her on a forklift at ringside rather than like sitting at the announce table or something?", but also "why?" in the sense of "What exactly does this stipulation in the match mean for the match itself?" You don't win by racing to the top of the forklift with her, for example like in a viagra on a pole match. She's not a weapon, like a coal miner's glove on a pole match.

This then also fails to recognize that the match features a run-in by David Arquette. Again, you read "run-in by David Arquette" and assume that that's enough by itself to make a match terrible, but again that's not even the whole picture. He wasn't around for months before then, so why come back now? And of course, it also leaves out the fact that OF COURSE this leads to a heel turn by him (which again, also doesn't make sense since everyone already hated him legitimately) in yet another swerve-for-swerve's sake.

Almost every match (even the opening ladder match) suffers from these problems, combined of course with the standard complaint of the actual wrestling in the matches also being terrible.

I was at this PPV in Vancouver and when David Arquette we were all so unbelievably confused, it truly made zero sense. I was with my mom, and her and the people around us thought maybe it being filmed for a movie or something, because we had no clue.

The Goldberg in a motorcycle accident/refuse to follow the script storyline made no sense because nobody told us in the arena what was happening. Goldberg just showed up with his ribs taped and nobody knew where he was. They didn't even play his music because the announcers explained it on TV.

WCW was so bad at this point, the people in Vancouver were just going to it for the sake of going to wrestling, so we are all excited to see Sting wrestle...52 seconds later it was over.

I vividly remember David Penzer or one of the wrestlers asking if they wanted to see Kronik wrestle again in that impromptu match vs. Vampiro and Great Muta and the crowd more or less saying 'no'.

This PPV was such a clusterfuck by the time Lance Storm came out in his pro-Canadian gimmick vs. Mike Awesome, we more or less gave up on the story lines and just cheered for him uncontrollably like Canadians used to do for the Hart Foundation in 1997.

Seriously, such an awful show in a barely half full Pacific Coliseum.

Great line from the wikipedia article for the show "Despite never being announced before or during the show, every match on the card was contested under no disqualification rules."

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Justin Godscock
Oct 12, 2004

Listen here, funnyman!

Soiled Meat

Memento posted:

New Years Revolution 2005. I vaguely remember the main event being alright, but the rest of the matches were utterly terrible.

It had an Elimination Chamber match which saw Triple H win the World Heavyweight Championship...which he vacated a month before only to win the thing again. This was during the Triple H reign of terror which gained another milestone with this main event. Yeah, that PPV belongs here.

Madtrixr
Nov 27, 2010


sexy_trash posted:

I was at this PPV in Vancouver and when David Arquette we were all so unbelievably confused, it truly made zero sense. I was with my mom, and her and the people around us thought maybe it being filmed for a movie or something, because we had no clue.

The Goldberg in a motorcycle accident/refuse to follow the script storyline made no sense because nobody told us in the arena what was happening. Goldberg just showed up with his ribs taped and nobody knew where he was. They didn't even play his music because the announcers explained it on TV.

WCW was so bad at this point, the people in Vancouver were just going to it for the sake of going to wrestling, so we are all excited to see Sting wrestle...52 seconds later it was over.

I vividly remember David Penzer or one of the wrestlers asking if they wanted to see Kronik wrestle again in that impromptu match vs. Vampiro and Great Muta and the crowd more or less saying 'no'.

This PPV was such a clusterfuck by the time Lance Storm came out in his pro-Canadian gimmick vs. Mike Awesome, we more or less gave up on the story lines and just cheered for him uncontrollably like Canadians used to do for the Hart Foundation in 1997.

Seriously, such an awful show in a barely half full Pacific Coliseum.

Great line from the wikipedia article for the show "Despite never being announced before or during the show, every match on the card was contested under no disqualification rules."

Oh my god. I am so sorry. They didn't explain the whole Goldberg thing to the crowd at the show? What in the flying hell.

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011


Madtrixr posted:

Oh my god. I am so sorry. They didn't explain the whole Goldberg thing to the crowd at the show? What in the flying hell.

In all fairness, how could you explain to a live crowd something like that? It's why those "OH GOD, HE'S GOING OFF SCRIPT" things are so rarely done well. It's either clearly a work or you have no clue what the hell is happening or why.

jpmeyer
Jan 17, 2012

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OldTennisCourt posted:

In all fairness, how could you explain to a live crowd something like that? It's why those "OH GOD, HE'S GOING OFF SCRIPT" things are so rarely done well. It's either clearly a work or you have no clue what the hell is happening or why.

Like for example, if the "script" is "Goldberg wrestles Nash and then loses", and Goldberg "doesn't want to go along with the script", why would he go into the ring, wrestle with him a few minutes, and then storm out rather than not show up in the first place or "act" like he's wrestling Nash and then suddenly "shoot" on him or something?

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.


Here is the episode of the pisscast where we talk about New Blood Rising featuring the best Ernest Miller promo ever and the Great Muta in TWO (2) MATCHES! http://www.mediafire.com/download/6...ut+Pisscast.mp3

Royal Rumble 99 is a very bad show featuring the dumbest shittiest rumble match ever, tag champs Bossman and Ken Shamrock facing Billy Gunn and Road Dogg in separate singles matches, X-Pac vs. Gangrel which is just a weird rear end pairing, Sable vs. Luna in a strap match, and the Rock making sure Mick Foley never rides a roller coaster again.

But man that Rumble match. The whole premise of the match was basically "Austin vs. McMahon." We knew going in that Austin and Vince would be numbers 1 and 2, and that Vince had put out a bigass bounty for whoever eliminated Stone Cold from the match. So basically Austin kicks the poo poo out of Vince for a while and then Vince's corporate goons come in and beat up Austin, brawling their way to the bathrooms where the corporation leaves Austin to be picked up by EMTs. So no more Austin (for now), no more Vince (for now), and we are left with perhaps the most midcard geek heavy Rumble ever (and yeah it includes guys like Edge and HHH who would become big stars but they really weren't in 99). The Undertaker does not appear in this match but he "sacrifices" Mabel and turns him into Viscera by having the Acolytes beat him up. After a while Vince comes back and sits in on commentary with Cole and Lawler (this part was actually kinda awesome) while his goons (Bossman, Test, and Shamrock I think?) run poo poo in the ring. After a few minutes Austin has apparently hijacked his ambulance and returned to the arena where he lays waste to everyone until it's back down to just Austin and Vince again and then Rock runs in and eliminates Austin, giving Vince the win.

It's a really terrible show as is pretty much everything else from all three major companies in 1999.

Red
Apr 15, 2003

They're mines...

Karmine posted:

Here is the episode of the pisscast where we talk about New Blood Rising featuring the best Ernest Miller promo ever and the Great Muta in TWO (2) MATCHES! http://www.mediafire.com/download/6...ut+Pisscast.mp3

Royal Rumble 99 is a very bad show featuring the dumbest shittiest rumble match ever, tag champs Bossman and Ken Shamrock facing Billy Gunn and Road Dogg in separate singles matches, X-Pac vs. Gangrel which is just a weird rear end pairing, Sable vs. Luna in a strap match, and the Rock making sure Mick Foley never rides a roller coaster again.

But man that Rumble match. The whole premise of the match was basically "Austin vs. McMahon." We knew going in that Austin and Vince would be numbers 1 and 2, and that Vince had put out a bigass bounty for whoever eliminated Stone Cold from the match. So basically Austin kicks the poo poo out of Vince for a while and then Vince's corporate goons come in and beat up Austin, brawling their way to the bathrooms where the corporation leaves Austin to be picked up by EMTs. So no more Austin (for now), no more Vince (for now), and we are left with perhaps the most midcard geek heavy Rumble ever (and yeah it includes guys like Edge and HHH who would become big stars but they really weren't in 99). The Undertaker does not appear in this match but he "sacrifices" Mabel and turns him into Viscera by having the Acolytes beat him up. After a while Vince comes back and sits in on commentary with Cole and Lawler (this part was actually kinda awesome) while his goons (Bossman, Test, and Shamrock I think?) run poo poo in the ring. After a few minutes Austin has apparently hijacked his ambulance and returned to the arena where he lays waste to everyone until it's back down to just Austin and Vince again and then Rock runs in and eliminates Austin, giving Vince the win.

It's a really terrible show as is pretty much everything else from all three major companies in 1999.

The shame about this show was that the buildup was really great, and a lot of my friends who hated wrestling wanted to see the outcome.

(They never watched wrestling again after sitting through this crap.)

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

I bet against K-1


just watched UFC9 and if you like sloppy fights with Big John being forced into the moral quandary to end a fight to save a dude's life or let it continue for the fans, this is for you. Main event was piss but Don Frye made up for it with his flagrantly illegal brutalization of some schlub.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

TOO EASY

I nominate Great American Bash 2006. First off it's a Smackdown exclusive, during an era when Smackdown wasn't that good. Second, this was the "elevated enzymes in the liver" PPV where like half the card got Wellnessed. This was likely the catalyst where they decided to hold off on wellness punishments until it was convenient - especially considering they immediately took the WWE and ECW titles off Rob Van Dam for his Wellness violation about a month before.

Londrick vs Pitbulls (Noble/Kash) was pretty good tag action, but nobody cared since neither team had characters or feuds, and the Pitbulls were always booked as a lower tier tag team.

Lashley/Finlay for the US was supposed to happen, but Lashley was wellnessed. Instead they had Regal, a heel, take on Finlay, also a heel, on the fly. The crowd went mild.

Gregory Helms vs Matt Hardy was an alright midcard match in a tepid feud, and Helms was really not catching on as a heel.

Khali/Undertaker was the debut of the Punjabi Prison match, which took forever to explain the rules and was unnecessarily complicated. Khali was wellnessed, despite having the match stipulation debut FOR him, and replaced with Big Show. So, Show/Taker in a Punjabi Prison for no reason. The match was terrible and dumb and I can't believe they ever did it again.

Fatal Fourway Bra & Panties match was next, which Ashley Massaro won. Yep.

Henry/Batista was supposed to happen, but Mark Henry got injured the week before, so they threw in Mr. Kennedy instead. gently caress finish with Batista being DQ'd for a chokehold, and Kennedy needed like 20 stitches for an accidental cut.

The main event was Booker/Mysterio, which was good, but again had a gently caress finish with Chavo turning on Mysterio to cost him the title, so Booker's WHC reign starts with Chavo hitting Rey with a chair. Nobody cared about Chavo ever, and I think the show closed with Sharmell saying "All Hail Keeeng Bookaaah" like a zillion times.

Overall just disappointing, full of bait and switch booking, and poor decisions.

LightsGameraAction
Sep 4, 2006


sticklefifer posted:

I nominate Great American Bash 2006.

I always get the main event of this one and 2004 mixed up because every time I remind myself that the main event of 2004 was Undertaker vs. The Dudley Boys I can only imagine that happened because half the roster was sick or injured.

I can't speak for the rest of the card though.

Justin Godscock
Oct 12, 2004

Listen here, funnyman!

Soiled Meat

Great American Bash 2004 also had Eddie dropping the belt to JBL who was getting a mega-stupid heel push because it was one of those Creative deals where Vince loved the idea. This was back when JBL was a midcarder and got this Lesnar or Hogan-style mega-push out of nowhere at Eddie's expense.

The first few WWE Great American Bash PPVs were all terrible to the point where people thought it was going to be WWE's Uncensored PPV where it was just cursed.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

TOO EASY

Was it a GAB where they had that barbed wire cage match where the whole point was that you couldn't escape, and then JBL beat Big Show by escaping?

Julio Cesar Fatass
Jul 24, 2007

"...."


coconono posted:

just watched UFC9 and if you like sloppy fights with Big John being forced into the moral quandary to end a fight to save a dude's life or let it continue for the fans, this is for you. Main event was piss but Don Frye made up for it with his flagrantly illegal brutalization of some schlub.

Don Frye has a superpower and he uses it when we need it most

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick


Doctor Rope

sticklefifer posted:

Was it a GAB where they had that barbed wire cage match where the whole point was that you couldn't escape, and then JBL beat Big Show by escaping?

No.


That was No Way Out, where there was in fact a way out.

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick


Doctor Rope

Big Show should get involved in cage matches. His own feats of strength work against him.

LightsGameraAction
Sep 4, 2006


Justin Godscock posted:

Great American Bash 2004 also had Eddie dropping the belt to JBL who was getting a mega-stupid heel push because it was one of those Creative deals where Vince loved the idea. This was back when JBL was a midcarder and got this Lesnar or Hogan-style mega-push out of nowhere at Eddie's expense.

The first few WWE Great American Bash PPVs were all terrible to the point where people thought it was going to be WWE's Uncensored PPV where it was just cursed.

Wait so JBL's entire time in the main event prior to facing Cena at Wrestlemania 21 was that one reign?

WWE was dead to me from 2002-2005/6 so I've only been filling in gaps since then but holy crap, really? By the time 21 rolls around they act like JBL has been on top for years.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...


Yes, it was one reign. Prior to that he was a jabroni in the hardcore division.

His main event push really came out of nowhere and I think coincided with his book and appearances on legit financial tv shows.

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick


Doctor Rope

LightsGameraAction posted:

Wait so JBL's entire time in the main event prior to facing Cena at Wrestlemania 21 was that one reign?

WWE was dead to me from 2002-2005/6 so I've only been filling in gaps since then but holy crap, really? By the time 21 rolls around they act like JBL has been on top for years.

Relatively speaking? It was.

He had been champion for 10 consecutive months at that point.

I think it was the longest reign since Diesel.

Justin Godscock
Oct 12, 2004

Listen here, funnyman!

Soiled Meat

ayn rand hand job posted:

Relatively speaking? It was.

He had been champion for 10 consecutive months at that point.

I think it was the longest reign since Diesel.

It also lead to Paul Heyman saying, at One Night Stand 2005, "The only reason you were champion for almost a year is because Triple H didn't want to work Tuesdays".

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

TOO EASY

ayn rand hand job posted:

No.


That was No Way Out, where there was in fact a way out.

I think it was the aforementioned JR spouting the titular phrase at No Mercy '99 that spawned the IWC meme "At [PPV] there will be [PPV name]". At Backlash there will be backlash. At Armageddon there will be armageddon. Etc.

Red
Apr 15, 2003

They're mines...

LightsGameraAction posted:

Wait so JBL's entire time in the main event prior to facing Cena at Wrestlemania 21 was that one reign?

WWE was dead to me from 2002-2005/6 so I've only been filling in gaps since then but holy crap, really? By the time 21 rolls around they act like JBL has been on top for years.

Well.

It felt like it'd been years.

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011


jpmeyer posted:

Like for example, if the "script" is "Goldberg wrestles Nash and then loses", and Goldberg "doesn't want to go along with the script", why would he go into the ring, wrestle with him a few minutes, and then storm out rather than not show up in the first place or "act" like he's wrestling Nash and then suddenly "shoot" on him or something?

Maybe I'm wrong so someone please educate me, but I feel like the only worked shoot stuff that could work would be a promo or something of that nature. Actual mid-match poo poo just comes off as weird. Does the fingerpoke of doom count as a worked shoot?

Fauxhawk Express
Oct 28, 2007

I'M THE LORD JESUS CHRIST


Russo tried a worked shoot promo with Hogan at the prior PPV, Bash at the Beach. This did not work because Hogan took so much legit offense to being called a bald SOB that he tried to take it to court, and also because 2000 WCW.

On the other side, the Owen/HBK concussion angle from '95 is a good example of a worked shoot during a match.

oldpainless
Oct 30, 2009



Dont work a work into a shoot marks shoot work marks marks marks work work shoot hh.

RZApublican
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.


oldpainless posted:

Dont work a work into a shoot marks shoot work marks marks marks work work shoot hh.

Does anyone have the screenshot from when this was on Twitter? I need it to print it out and frame it.

HOTLANTA MAN
Jul 4, 2010

One day, that lion gets up and tears the shit out of everybody. Cause every once in a while, the lion has to show the jackals who he is.


Lipstick Apathy

Yo, Battleground 2013 where the video cut out for like ten minutes followed by Big Show screaming "NO MORE" to close the show was real bad

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

oldpainless posted:

Dont work a work into a shoot marks shoot work marks marks marks work work shoot hh.

Wait, who am I supposed to shoot?

Is it Mark? Why would I shoot Mark?

Memento
Aug 25, 2009





RZApublican posted:

Does anyone have the screenshot from when this was on Twitter? I need it to print it out and frame it.

Grendels Dad posted:

Wait, who am I supposed to shoot?

Is it Mark? Why would I shoot Mark?



edit: that's exactly 140 characters so I guess he didn't have enough room to Heil Hitler like he normally does.

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Red
Apr 15, 2003

They're mines...


What the gently caress

Mystery Opponent
Sep 27, 2006

but u was a real nigga
i could sense it in u


A cool rear end tweet is what it is

Sprecherscrow
Dec 20, 2009


sticklefifer posted:

Was it a GAB where they had that barbed wire cage match where the whole point was that you couldn't escape, and then JBL beat Big Show by escaping?

As mentioned it was No Way Out '05, but you're incorrect about the whole point being you couldn't escape. In fact, for that cage match you couldn't win by pinfall or submission and could only win by escape. They padlocked the door, so the idea was the winner would have to go over the barbed wire to win.

I actually really enjoyed JBL's main event run. He basically learned a new style of working (cowardly heel when he was used to powerhouse babyface) in a couple of months and had several good matches. Yes he had Eddie to help him along, but it's not like that's a knock on him. The PPVs he mainevented sucked because Smackdown didn't have enough stuff in the midcard to fill out a whole show.

Red
Apr 15, 2003

They're mines...

Sprecherscrow posted:

As mentioned it was No Way Out '05, but you're incorrect about the whole point being you couldn't escape. In fact, for that cage match you couldn't win by pinfall or submission and could only win by escape. They padlocked the door, so the idea was the winner would have to go over the barbed wire to win.

I actually really enjoyed JBL's main event run. He basically learned a new style of working (cowardly heel when he was used to powerhouse babyface) in a couple of months and had several good matches. Yes he had Eddie to help him along, but it's not like that's a knock on him. The PPVs he mainevented sucked because Smackdown didn't have enough stuff in the midcard to fill out a whole show.

I think, over time, JBL won us over, and looking back, he was a fairly effective heel champ, even if his cronies were essentially useless.

It's just that his push from hell came out of nowhere, and despite the reactions (or lack thereof at the beginning), he was crammed down our throats really hard.

The real shame is that he lost the title to Cena in a pretty forgettable match - although their rematch at Judgment Day (a great 'I Quit' match) was tremendous.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

Red posted:

I think, over time, JBL won us over, and looking back, he was a fairly effective heel champ, even if his cronies were essentially useless.

Between JBL's Cabinet and Kurt Angle's group consisting of Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns that was a really awful time for stables.

TheHoosier
Dec 30, 2004

The fuck, Graham?!


Memento posted:



edit: that's exactly 140 characters so I guess he didn't have enough room to Heil Hitler like he normally does.

Think I've read that tweet 100 times and still can't follow it. Where's Professor Steiner when you need him?

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority


TheHoosier posted:

Think I've read that tweet 100 times and still can't follow it. Where's Professor Steiner when you need him?

Goodnight fans, and goons who don't know that it's fake when you fake a fake and fake yourself into reality, goons.


Makes sense to me!

ZDar Fan
Oct 15, 2012


Mystery Opponent posted:

A cool rear end tweet is what it is

A too sweet tweet

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sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

TOO EASY

Sprecherscrow posted:

As mentioned it was No Way Out '05, but you're incorrect about the whole point being you couldn't escape. In fact, for that cage match you couldn't win by pinfall or submission and could only win by escape. They padlocked the door, so the idea was the winner would have to go over the barbed wire to win.

Weird, I don't remember the no pins/submissions thing at all. I specifically remember being pissed off at the ending for being a copout to the stipulation.


Memento posted:

New Years Revolution 2005. I vaguely remember the main event being alright, but the rest of the matches were utterly terrible.

I was looking back at cards and I remembered how lovely that show was. The whole card was literally just an excuse to have an Elimination Chamber match in January, pre-Rumble. And probably because they were able to book a venue in Puerto Rico so they decided to wedge in an extra show.

-The finish for Eugene/Regal vs Christian/Tomko had to be reworked when Eugene blew out a knee (and retained the tag belts anyway).
-The finish for Trish/Lita had to be reworked when Lita also blew out a knee.
-Shelton Benjamin beat an incredibly unconvincing heel Maven in 5 seconds after a bunch of stalling, then beat him again in 5 seconds after a demanded rematch.
-Muhammad Hassan vs Jerry Lawler, without commentary because JR was in Lawler's corner. As bad as you think.
-Kane vs Snitsky, the culmination of the "it wasn't my fault" feud. Long as hell, boring as hell.
-The ONE saving grace of the PPV was that the EC main event was really, really good. HHH, Jericho, Benoit, Edge, Batista, Orton, all in or around their primes, and HBK as guest referee. Of course HHH Wins Lol, and everyone was sick of it at that point, but the match itself was great. Otherwise it was easily the worst show of the year.

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