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Home for the night and catching up on things now!
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Sep 11, 2014 01:31
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The Carpet Shark posted:TwelveBaud's whole butter thing against PM was so weird that I really have no idea. I would vote vote Met before them. it seemed kinda like a half-joke. i'm not quite sure what to make of it either. is it really wise to make pretty much your only post an accusation? that said it would be hypocritical of me to get on his case for not posting enough. like PM said, it's day 1 of a newbie game. Propaganda Machine posted:awesome well it's like you said, could be a conscious effort to play differently than scum last time to throw things off. seemed like a very strong point to me. soscannonballs posted:Ok so here is what I think about the game so far. Based on my past (albeit limited) mafia experience, a lot of the time on D1 you have 2-3 town players go after each other while the scum team kind of sits back. Now the scum don't lurk as in not posting, they are usually around but just don't post anything of substance, and if you look at the post count list they often fall around the middle. I feel like we have a pretty good chance of hitting scum if we disregard the top and bottom two posters and examine those who remaining. Here is the list as of right now: yeah but what if they know that and decide to hide in the background or put themselves forward in the hopes that we'd think that way? twelvebaud and met would therefore be a pretty prime candidates, though as stated before twelve hasn't been able to post much. like myself i really just cannot post at work. i have my phone but i can't just sit on my phone at my desk and it's hardly ideal to use to make longer posts and respond with quotes. that being said, despite my schedule i've still managed to put in a few posts which is more than he can say. that logic would also suggest PM, but i just don't get a scum read from her. i'd think it's way too dangerous to put oneself out there so much so early if you're scum. i'm just trying to get a feel for all this still. i've been hesitant to call out people as scum because it's just so hard to find anything substantial this early on. at this point i'd probably just have to go with my gut and i'm still leaning toward MT (and twelve after that), but i'll read her next post before finalizing a vote in her direction
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Sep 11, 2014 01:33
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Adus posted:
Ahh but what if I know that they know what I know?
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Sep 11, 2014 01:43
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soscannonballs posted:I feel like we have a pretty good chance of hitting scum if we disregard the top and bottom two posters and examine those who remaining. Here is the list as of right now: If there are two scum in the whole group, and you take a sample of over half group, of course there's a good chance of hitting scum. This doesn't tell us anything at all. Anyway, I'm gonna ##vote Met based on my reasoning from my earlier post.
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Sep 11, 2014 01:43
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the only reason i even vaguely care about him coming after me is that it was the easiest thing to do after murmur's stuff. if she had gone after anybody else with similar logic, and he had hopped on that bandwagon, it would be the same thing.TwelveBaud posted:And her bread chat was about expanding the classification of bread and being light-hearted about butter (when only one other person has mentioned spreadable substances); even though it wasn't directly about town versus scum, it was using the metaphor this game is based around in a calculating attempt to try to dilute "towndom" and de-fang "scumdom". it's a weird argument. i think we'd mostly moved beyond breadchat, but this just takes it to a whole new level. every time i try to parse it into anything useful i  it's horribly contrived and constructed to look like some kind of themed actual argument? quote:The capitalization case is dumb, btw. he's correct there, at least. anyway i go for him over met because bad logic is worse than no logic for d1. also, this was his one and only non-full-breadpost, and that's horrible. you may disagree. i'm listening. met's few posts reek of active lurking though. hrm.
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Sep 11, 2014 02:09
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Propaganda Machine posted:and you didn't care about how such a flimsy case might come back to get you later on? I really didn't! If my flimsy case led people to lynch me, at the end of the day it would have provided information to the remaining town to help lynch scum down the road. If we're going to have a good lynch before the first deadline, we were going to need to get off of breadchat at some point, and I'm fine with making a flimsy case if it helps get discussion going. (I went through an issue in my first few Mafia games where, as town, I was more concerned about surviving until the end than I was sussing out information. I assume you and Adus can probably understand how that goes!) quote:this just doesn't read well and seems hypocritical. you don't have to make a lovely case to get people to post more. calling them out by name seemed to work pretty well. Why would saying "Props, who do you think is scum?" before there had been any game chat at all been better than making you defend yourself from a case? quote:that said, twelvebaud hasn't done anything but say he's super busy (hi yuming) and hop on the pm-is-scummy gravytrain. I agree with this. quote:man, what a masterstroke it would be to outline your previous scum game and do something completely different the next time you're scum. I suppose it would be! I was more trying to describe things that I felt like Carpet Shark was doing, and then relating them to my one scum game (a) because people had been talking about my games and (b) to explain why I thought those particular things were scummy. quote:may i ask, specifically, what makes this different than plays a and c out of your own scumbook? I asked Met specifically because he said there is no information on D1 to make a case out of, whereas I think that there is. My flimsy case for him was "he hasn't provided any information" but that didn't really need to be said. Ugh I'm multitasking a bit for the next hour but will be here the whole time from 10:30p - deadline.
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Sep 11, 2014 02:30
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so murmurs. it's looking like twelvebaud or met. which one are you most prepared to vote for, and why?
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Sep 11, 2014 02:34
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Propaganda Machine posted:so murmurs. I was just going to say right now I'm fine with one of twelvebaud or Met. For me I'd rather keep people who have put themselves forward either in defending themselves or making cases, and lynch people who (a) act scummy while (b) not providing any information to the town. There's a good chance that some of the people posting a lot right now are scum, but at least those people will have stuff to dissect after the fact after we see a few flips. Off the top of my head, I feel like Met sounds apathetic whereas TwelveBaud's case on PM sounds disingenuous, so probably Twelvebaud. I'm rereading them now along with a few others and should be around until deadline for more discussion.
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Sep 11, 2014 02:45
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i'll give MT the benefit of the doubt i'd lean toward twelve because he called PM out on the lurker thing which she wasn't even doing, and then said something cryptic. met just hasn't said much at all. it could be trying to lay low as to not be discovered or he could just have no idea what evidence to cling to. we're rapidly approaching deadline though.
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Sep 11, 2014 02:47
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yeah i'm more inclined to give met the benefit of the doubt, for now. is this his first game? it can be kinda hard to get into the swing of mafia. i was so lost in salute your shorts.
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Sep 11, 2014 02:49
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If you click on the votefinder at the top of the OP you can see how many games everyone have been in. According to VF, this is Met's 9th game.
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Sep 11, 2014 02:52
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soscannonballs posted:If you click on the votefinder at the top of the OP you can see how many games everyone have been in. According to VF, this is Met's 9th game. ....hmm.... but we really need to come to a consensus, here. no-lynches are bad.
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Sep 11, 2014 02:55
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what happens if there is no majority vote?
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Sep 11, 2014 02:55
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Adus posted:what happens if there is no majority vote? nobody dies. it's inadvisable because the scum almost certainly will kill a townie overnight, but we might lynch scum. getting a flip one way or the other illuminates things at any rate, and neither of these chuckleheads are contributing much.
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Sep 11, 2014 03:00
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here i did a google and it explains things a bit better.Some Other Internet Forum posted:If the game starts with an odd number of players, no lynching takes away one of the town's mislynches prior to the scum getting the endgame win.
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Sep 11, 2014 03:01
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I'm fine with switching to Twelvebaud, if that's our pick. ##unvote Met ##vote TwelveBaud
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Sep 11, 2014 03:03
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that sounds pretty bad then! i'm going with this for now, but i'll leave myself open to other ideas if things crop up before the deadline ##vote TwelveBaud
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Sep 11, 2014 03:07
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That puts TwelveBaud at -1 with over an hour left. Hopefully some other people chime in before the deadline but if not I can move my vote to avoid a NL, although I still think Met is scummier.
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Sep 11, 2014 03:23
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I'll stand by it. ##vote TwelveBaud
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Sep 11, 2014 03:27
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 This game will be better without TwelveBaud!
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Sep 11, 2014 03:31
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Phone posting here. Twelvebaud, BLAND and BREAD ALIGNED has been eaten for lunch. It is now NIGHT. Send your actions in before I get home. Jump King fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Sep 11, 2014 |
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Sep 11, 2014 03:57
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In the night, somebody ate Mr. Maltose, BLAND and BREAD ALIGNED It is now Day 2
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Sep 11, 2014 05:07
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Votecount for Day 2 Not Voting (7): Adus, Met, Murmur Twin, Propaganda Machine, soscannonballs, Strong Mouse, The Carpet SharkWith 7 alive, it's 4 votes to lunch. There is currently no deadline set. There is no discussion topic today.
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Sep 11, 2014 05:10
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That was a very dumb hammer vote.
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Sep 11, 2014 05:57
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soscannonballs posted:That was a very dumb hammer vote. My thoughts exactly. I was under the impression we were waiting to hear from our voting candidates before slamming things down.
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Sep 11, 2014 06:04
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but neither of them showed up.
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Sep 11, 2014 06:06
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Propaganda Machine posted:but neither of them showed up. I thought we had over an hour left. At the risk of being accused of asking too many questions, is it normally considered bad to wait until the final hour when voting in mafia?
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Sep 11, 2014 06:08
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i didn't know it lynched the moment it hit enough votes, heh. i might have given him a bit more time. well then.
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Sep 11, 2014 06:10
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Yeah as soon as someone gets enough votes they get killed and the day ends, no more discussion until all the night actions have been submitted. Usually the lynch doesn't happen until 5-10 minutes before the deadline.
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Sep 11, 2014 06:15
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yeah. hammers are...hammers. this is a newbie game so i guess it fits to go back through whatever experiences people have had. but in my own, people hopping onto a lynch, or causing it when they know it's happening, seems suspicious. as well, hammering with "ample" time left to go before deadline does prevent conversation, so that's also something to consider.
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Sep 11, 2014 06:33
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I'm in the newbie game for a reason! On some level, it was a brain fart. I had already put it out there that I thought Twelvebaud was most lynchable. I left the computer for a bit and when I came back at least half the remaining players agreed enough to vote him, so in my head the hammer made sense. And then I forgot that discussion/play stops once the hammer drops and realized I should have let people know I was going to do it first. (I believe I messed that up in LYLO in Poque's Cats mafia and ended up losing for town - that was my last game before I went on break)
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Sep 11, 2014 06:36
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Murmur Twin posted:I'm in the newbie game for a reason! 
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Sep 11, 2014 06:38
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anyway i guess this is some pressure on mets. please for the love of christ have something substantial to say about the thing that just happened.
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Sep 11, 2014 06:40
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Yep. Woke up, went to work. Back from work now. Hello! Some votes on me yesterday. If you're going to case me, do it right. Simply go check my previous games. I do pretty much nothing on the first night except self-vote or spectate no matter my role because it always ends up being something boring boring breadchat and then a townie is lynched. I waste all my thread-viewing time on the first day phase looking for breadcrumbs (no pun intended). soscannonballs posted:Breadchat isn't the only thing people have been talking about. A bunch of newbies have managed to at least make a few cases, what do you think of those cases? Okay. Murmur Twin posted:It seemed weird to me that Props isn't capatalizing and punctuating when, from watching Awful Survivor/seeing TVIV posts, she usually does. I did a quick post history check which confirmed this, even in other Mafia games/chatty places like Survivor Vistas/Mafia Discussion, she capatalizes and punctuates. To me this implies that she's overthinking what she's posting instead of being natural, which feels scummy to me. This person isn't using punctuation. SCUM.  This case was dismissed in the next post anyway.Propaganda Machine posted:for now, i think this is an okay move. i am willing to change it if better ideas come up. also, this person has not been back in here to defend themselves since they came under some legitimate flak. anyway, deadline is coming right up, so i think putting on a hint of pressure is a good idea regardless. When did Murmur Twin come under "legitimate flak"? When he accused you on Day 1? Adus posted:my suspicion leans more toward murmur for really getting the ball rolling with not much to go on That's what Day 1 is all about. There isn't much to go on simply because it's day 1. I usually play Role Madness games where no-lynch Day 1 is the standard though. You guys are an echo chamber with the "let's hear more from Met". Makes it really easy to turbo someone you know won't be there. That's potentially scummy as it's a safe way to put a target on someone without looking bad yourself. Now we have a votecount and some revealed roles. Actions are more interesting than words on Day 1. Propaganda Machine votes Murmur Twin Strong Mouse votes Twelvebud soscannonballs votes Met Propaganda Machine changes vote to twelvebud The Carpet Shark votes Met The Carpet Shark changes vote to Twelvebud Adus votes to Twelvebud Murmur Twin hammers Twelvebud Final votecount: (5) Twelvebud: Strong Mouse, Propaganda Machine, The Carpet Shark, Adus, Murmur Twin (1) Met: soscannonballs (3) Non-Voters: Twelvebud, Mr. Maltose, Met Strong Mouse got the ball started on the townie and then never spoke again. Murmur Twin hammered. I don't put much stock in either of those though (though it's weird Strong Mouse never spoke again after that vote). Mafia tend to hide in the late middle of townie votes with really lackluster excuses for the vote other than "Everyone else is doing it" The Carpet Shark posted:I'm fine with switching to Twelvebaud, if that's our pick. Like this. Pretty loving trusty. "Oh, Twelvebud is our pick? I'll switch off this guy and vote Twelvebud out then. NO PROBLEM." The Carpet Shark is my pick for today. ##vote: The Carpet Shark Throwing my vote out now because I plan to go to bed early because I have drinking plans tonight. Try not to turbo me. Murmur Twin posted:Did you try to make it last night? I missed this post. Nope. I'm not really in the baking mood... but I am a mesh screen away from making my own Horchata.
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Sep 11, 2014 15:36
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Met posted:That's what Day 1 is all about. There isn't much to go on simply because it's day 1. I usually play Role Madness games where no-lynch Day 1 is the standard though. i realize this, and i hate to be a broken record but being my first game i'm not quite as adept at sussing out the subtleties of day 1 information gathering. so i knew it was a flimsy reason but i wasn't quite sure what to latch onto. and i didn't end up voting for her anyway. though in retrospect the case against twelve was pretty flimsy too, and the fact that he never showed up to defend himself actually should have been more telling about his town status than anything else. i have to imagine that if you're scum and your role is so limited and vulnerable you would not just refuse to show up to defend yourself. and if he literally could not do so because of his schedule it was very unfortunate for him, and i'm sure the scum took advantage of that to lure newer people like me into voting for him. gotta go to work or else i'd pick apart posts a bit more.
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Sep 11, 2014 15:46
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You make a good point about Carpet Shark Met.
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Sep 11, 2014 18:22
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The Carpet Shark posted:I don't know if I'd vote Murmur Twin out this round. I know it would benefit me to say they've been acting super scummy but there isn't enough there for me to feel it's conclusive. There were a couple things that seemed off, but they've been making their own cases and they haven't been fixated on any one person as far as I can tell. Red flags here. Can you explain what you mean by 'it would benefit me'?
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Sep 11, 2014 18:26
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Murmur Twin posted:Red flags here. Can you explain what you mean by 'it would benefit me'? You were making a case against me, PM was making one arguing that you might be scum and that you were trying to incriminate the two of us. If I had said 'YEAH, Murmur Twin sure is acting scummy!' then your case against me would seem less sound. But I didn't feel you were acting as scummy as PM seemed to think you were.
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Sep 11, 2014 18:29
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Met posted:
Yeah, after I voted and then TwelveBaud was hammered quick as hell I definitely regretted switching so quickly. It was an unwise move on my part, and it I later realized it opened the floor to scum players switching or voting and feeling safer about it. I'm still learning, though, and I should've trusted my gut more when I was voting. If I were scum I never would have made that move for fear of people accusing me. But frankly, that has not been something I have had to worry about other than the passing thought of 'oh man, I hope they don't accidentally vote ME out'. Also, TwelveBaud was my second pick anyway. I definitely felt there was less to go on with them than there was with you, Met, but I was way less sure about every other player in the game and we were establishing that it was important to not end up in a situation where nobody was voted out.
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Sep 11, 2014 18:33
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The Carpet Shark posted:You were making a case against me, PM was making one arguing that you might be scum and that you were trying to incriminate the two of us. If I had said 'YEAH, Murmur Twin sure is acting scummy!' then your case against me would seem less sound. But I didn't feel you were acting as scummy as PM seemed to think you were. GOALS: Town: lynch scum Scum: stay alive If you're town and you think I'm town - I don't see how trying to shift the lynch from one town to another helps uncover scum? If you're town and you think I'm scum - Then you would have had a case against me and I'd assume we'dve heard it. If you're scum and you know I'm town - THEN it would benefit you to try and discredit me. I know that it's kind of a nitpick, but with that, plus my observations on you D1 (mainly that you make a lot of posts without really taking a stance on who you think is scum), plus the fact that I agree with what Met is saying, right now I feel like you're the best lynch. MMM: may I have confirmation that the deadline isn't tonight? I don't think I'm going to be online, so if it is I feel like I should have a vote here. But if it isn't, I don't want a repeat of last night where the fact that I voted makes a negative difference.
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Sep 11, 2014 19:45
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