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Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."



Words are hard!

Listen, the words below will tell you a little about the Super-League and what it is and how it works. I encourage you to read them. But I know that today's reader on the go doesn't have time for lots of words, and so I'll give you my own pitch for the Super-League: You should join because it's fun. And doing fun things is fun.

There, greatest sales pitch of all time.

-Smasher Dynamo


The Super-League and You: A Helpful Starter Guide:
original work by Tatankatonk, ToiletOfSadness, mrnoun, and Smasher Dynamo
foreword by Monathin


So you’ve stumbled in here bleary-eyed, confused, and maybe a little overwhelmed. Welcome to the Super-League!

What is the Super-League? It’s basically a fantasy baseball league, done through Baseball Mogul 2013. That doesn’t tell the whole story, though. Inside you can find Mark Grace in a quest to obtain a gyro, the saga of a maniacal man whose teams hold an iron grip over the Super-League, the riches-to-rags-to-riches-back-to-rags story of the Luna Landers/Galactic Wanderers/New World Symphony, people who make extraordinarily bad challenges and gamble their whole team away in the process, a truly terrible and awful team that lucked into one of the greatest outfields ever and turned into a contender overnight, and of course, spreadsheet warriors, the most famous of which being an Australian who gambled his team away and now is scrambling to gain stat advantage once more.

The Super-League is definitely a create-your-own-fun baseball fantasy league. You can come up with endearing gimmicks from all walks of life, banter in IRC and argue about how players are good/terrible, and even be a perpetual good-humored failure of an owner.

And if you’re not good? That’s fine! Probably only a dozen people in the Super-League actually know anything about baseball, and these people might be more or less successful than you suppose. It’s perfectly acceptable to know nothing about baseball or be a baseball expert, because the Super-League teaches people a lot that they might not have known. Either way, we’re all scrambling for a position at the top, and watching as we fall hilariously to the bottom. And you will fall hilariously to the bottom, because the Super-League, at the end of the day, is about the continued failures of 30-some owners to topple the mightiest team to ever exist: Smasher Dynamo’s own New York Macho Men.

So do you have what it takes to build a team, build a dynasty, and gamble it all at a shot of eternal glory against the Macho Men? Well, you’ll have to get past the Syndicate first, and they’ve been at that war for a long, long time…

Tools of the Trade

The Super-League, like many baseball fantasy leagues before it, is a game of numbers and stats. When you’re using players from at any point in the last century, it’s vital to have resources to see how good they will do. To that end, we have two major sources of stats you can pour over.

Baseball Reference - This one is a no-brainer. Baseball Reference houses stats of all sorts of uselessness from all the way back to the heydays of Cy Young (also known as the 1890s). Fair warning is that guys with incomplete careers and mid WW2 careers don't do as well in Mogul sims. (The former because Mogul likes having a complete career to use as projection, the latter because most true greats were killing Nazi's during the War years, and the ball's quality was lowered due to wartime supply priorities.) This is the place where you can check out your inevitable feeder teams. Of course, the historical data can only go so far in a modern simulation, which brings us to…

Super-League Reference - Here it is. The absolute, must-have bookmark to be consulting when it comes to every player you find. Super-League reference was compiled in a joint effort by Mr. Cool Ice and Cthulhu Dreams, and uses the saves from Super-League IV and onward to paint a picture of that player’s performance in the Super-League. This is important since the Super-League, using the best of the best players from all of baseball history, is a marked degree above even the most talent-filled seasons of baseball. And some classically great all-time players, like Bob Feller and Willie Mays, just don’t do well in a Super-League environment. Again, use this. This, in combination with knowing which stats are important, will keep your head above water, even if you’re nowhere near the level of baseball historian that Commissar Dynamo is.

The Basics of Baseball
by tatankatonk

Ok, so even the dumbest/foreign goon knows the basics of baseball. Hell, you know the lyrics to Take Me Out to the Ballgame by heart, and that's half the rules right there. There's pitchers, there's position players (first, second, third base, shortstop, outfielders, catchers), and there's pitchers (starting and relief). Three strikes is an out, three outs is an inning, nine innings and a game is over, unless there's a tie in which case it goes a few more and everyone leaves the stadium early. Anyway, what you should come away with from this is the following: Baseball, more than any other sport in the world, is a game of numbers. Every single thing that happens on the field is recorded and converted into statistics that professional analysts come up with to determine a player's performance. This isn't basketball, where blocks (a vital defensive stat) weren't recorded until the mid-70s. There's records of the game going all the way back to when Ty Cobb was assaulting fans, and even farther than that. Your job, as a Superleague owner, is to learn what all these numbers mean, and how to look at them in a way that can instantly tell you what you need to know about a player.



So, What Stats Are Useful, Anyhow?

If you know nothing about baseball, then you will be shocked by how many stats that are tracked that are absolutely worthless in the grand scheme of thing. There is only a handful of stats you need to evaluate the quality of a player, and this small area will give you a rundown on the biggest ones to consider. In somewhat arbitrary order of usefulness:

On-Base + Slugging Percentage (OPS+): The go-to stat that your eyes should drift to first when it concerns batters. Era and season-adjusted, with average for that season being a flat ‘100’. If you find a guy who had a 115 OPS+, then he was 15% better at generating runs than the average joe that year. Combine that with the fact that he might be at a scarce position (see “Positional Scarcity” below), and you’ll be cooking with a run-generating machine in no time.

Earned Run Average + (ERA+): The same thing as OPS+, but for Pitchers. 115 ERA+ means he was 15% than the average pitcher that season. :siren: Generally speaking, having good pitchers is more important than having good hitters :siren:! Many teams get relegated not because they don’t have huge dudes who can hit the ball and score runs, but because their own pitching gets lit up and destroyed over the course of the season because they forgot to focus on it. Try to focus on pitching before hitting!

Defensive Wins Above Replacement (dWAR): Let’s get this out of the way: There is no real great stat to measure a player’s defensive ability. The best we have is dWAR, which measures whether a guy is worth keeping in the field compared to a replacement player. This value can go into the negatives, meaning that some players are such bad players that they will give up plays with their bad ball-handling. If you rely on groundball or deadball-era pitchers, you will absolutely get destroyed if you have bad fielders. Generally speaking, Catcher, Center Field, and the middle infield positions (Second Base, Shortstop, Third Base) are the ones where you want to place defense over offense.

Batting Average, On-Base Percentage, and Slugging Percentage (BA, OBP, SLG): Here are the base stats for offensive prowess for batters. Batting Average is how often you can hit the ball, On-Base Percentage is like Batting Average, but also factors in walks. (seriously, you don’t know what a walk is? Ok, a pitcher has to throw his pitches in an area next to the batter called the strike zone for it to count as a strike, or the batter has to swing at it. If he pitches and it's not in the strike zone, it's a ball. You pitch four balls, and the guy walks to first automatically.) and SLG is how far you can hit the ball on average when you hit it. Generally speaking, a .350+ OBP and a .400+ SLG are probably the minimum for Super-League caliber players, but you don’t necessarily need to have both.

Walks + Hits Per Innings Pitched (WHIP): Is what it says, how many combined hits plus walks a pitcher gives up each inning he’s in play. This is a good estimate of how ‘wild’ your pitcher is, and whether he ends up keeping control of the ball or he shoots a 100 MPH fastball with no regard for where it lands. Wild guys are bad because wild guys lead to more walks, which lead to more runs, which leads to more games lost. 1.000 WHIP are elite, and 1.300+ WHIP guys are probably too wild to consider, even despite their pedigree.

Isolated Discipline (IsoD): This one you won’t find on either of the reference sites, but is decently important, as it describes a batter’s ‘Batting Eye’, his ability to identify pitches and whether he should be taking a swing at them. You get this one by calculating OBP - BA. .070 is generally considered the bare minimum for a good player who doesn’t just whiff at every pitch over the plate. .150 and you’ve got a guy with an elite eye.

Hits, Home Runs, Walks, and Strikeouts Per 9 Innings (H/9, HR/9, BB/9, SO/9): Miscellaneous, yet important stats to tell you how your pitcher pitches and what he can be expected to do during a game. Fireball pitchers have huge SO/9 rates, but at the expense of being either really wild (higher BB/9) or giving up big hits (higher HR/9). As a general rule of thumb, unless a guy is really, really good, you want to look for the lowest BB/9 above all others, because Super-League pitchers are forced to face Super-League hitters, who are especially good at drawing walks.

Age: Young guys are wild, and old guys fall apart at the seams. You don’t want to pick up a 40-year-old Gaylord Perry and hope he can hold down your rotation. Generally speaking, 24-34 is a nice age range for considered players. Younger than 24, they’re probably a little wild; 35 and older, you’re playing with geriatric fire, which is more like a dying ember. Emphasis on DYING.

Plate Appearances/Innings Pitched: No one likes small sample sizes. A guy may seem amazing until you realize he only played one game that season. These stats basically serve as a reality check that the guy you never heard of who is really good is only good because he literally batted once or pitched one game. PAs are for batters, and IPs are for Pitchers. Innings Pitched also gives you a decent idea of a pitcher’s stamina. If he can pitch a consistent 300-400 innings of baseball (on bbref, that is. Most SL-starters don’t pitch more than about 250 innings), then chances are he can go the distance. Mogul doesn't like players with short careers either, which is something to keep in mind. Or incomplete careers. So Miguel Cabrera is not the God of Triple Crowns in Mogul, despite what he's projected to do, since he's still got a ways to go.



Positional Scarcity

Now, you are probably thinking that some positions are a little harder to find good players for than others, and you’d be right! Certain positions are harder to field than others, and baseball comes with an established hierarchy:

1. Catcher
2. Shortstop
3. Second Baseman
4. Center Fielder
5. Third Baseman
6. Right Fielder
7. Left Fielder
8. First Baseman

So finding good 3rd basemen and center fielders is hard, great Catchers and Shortstops practically impossible, and halfway decent corner outfielders and first basemen a dime a dozen. In fact, looking for a First Baseman or Corner Outfielder, you should be looking for 130 or better OPS+, as it’s so easy to stick bat first, glove-second guys here that you need an especially good hitter there.


Team Building Tips and Tricks:

A team-building tutorial would essentially drive the word count of this guide through the roof. However, there are some handy hints to know.

-Look to low-point teams first. Low-point teams will usually have one or two good guys and a load of spare parts, but might also have a great player hidden in the rubble of bad teams. Plus, it’s best to start at the bottom, since most people will be starting at the top.
-Remember positional scarcity! Look for Catchers, Second Basemen, and Shortstops before loading up on First Basemen and Corner OFs.
-A good player with useful teammates is better than a very good player with no teammates. Picking up a whole team for one guy is a raw deal, even for the lowest of low-point teams. Try to find guys who are at least competent in other positions that you can situationally field to go with that legendary player you’re picking up.
-Finding an all-time great player on a low-point team is what you should be striving for. The Super League is comprised of some of the greatest baseball players of the last hundred years. There are teams stacked with top-notch talent that even the most baseball-clueless goon will vaguely recognize. If you don’t have to settle for a good-but-not-great player, don’t. Your goal is to be the best.
-Make sure you have a modern bullpen. Super-League bullpens are a crapshoot by nature, but having a modern reliever staff means they’re actually suited to bullpen work, since before 1950, nearly all teams were just sticking their worst starters in the bullpen, and graduating their best relievers to starter duty.
-Make sure your players' skills complement each other. Have a good assortment of on-base guys, power hitters, defensive vs offensive guys, and pitchers who can play to that. You have good hitters? Look for groundball pitching!
-Save points for pitching, because someone's probably grabbing that 1-point Christy Mathewson before you can.
-Don't ignore your bench, because you’re going to need them to at least hit a couple times over the season.
-Too young is better than too old.
-Don't let one gaping hole in your lineup bug you, as long as it's at a lower difficulty position like LF or 1B.
-Don't trade Dispersal Draft picks for anything less than a Ted Williams.
-Don't rush to trade before you've seen your team play.
-Lots of low-point teams means lots of potential trade assets.
-Always always always double check your feeders! There might be a great player who only pitched a couple innings languishing on that team, or a future great who’s just a year or two shy of true competency on their bench. Don’t just pick the starters from your feeders!
-Try to shy away from modern teams.


In Closing: Have Fun, And Don’t Give Up!
Your first team will likely end in relegation. But that’s okay! Most first teams are pretty bad. Some of us are on our 5th or 6th attempt. Above all, the Super-League is a learning experience, and while there’s a decent amount here to get you started, the best way to get going is to join in with all of us cool losers in IRC! You can join us at irc.synirc.com, channel name #thesuperleague. Now, I’ve wasted enough of your time. Go check the feeders, armed with the knowledge you have, and make a team worthy of fighting off the longest dynasties!

Editor's Note: Monathin has never had a winning season in the Super-League.



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The Big, Big List of Feeder Teams

Pick eleven points of feeder teams, twelve if you've never owned a team in the Super-League.


5 points

1932 New York Yankees, 107-47, Won WS
1954 Cleveland Indians, 111-43, Lost WS
1962 San Fransisco Giants, 103-62, Lost WS
ps[1975 Cincinnati Reds, 108-54, Won WS[/s]
1995 Atlanta Braves, 90-54, Won WS
1995 Cleveland Indians, 100-44, Lost WS
2009 New York Yankees, 103-59, Won WS

4 points

1902 Philadelphia Athletics, 83-53, AL Champions
1906 New York Giants, 96-56, 2nd in NL
1920 Chicago White Sox, 96-58, 2nd in AL
1929 Philadelphia Athletics, 104-46, Won World Series
1933 St. Louis Cardinals, 82-71, 5th in NL
1941 Brooklyn Dodgers, 100-54, Lost World Series
1947 Boston Red Sox, 83-71, 3rd in AL
1949 Cleveland Indians, 89-65, 3rd in AL
1956 New York Yankees, 97-57, Won World Series
1965 Detroit Tigers, 89-73, 4th in AL
1967 Baltimore Orioles, 76-85, 6th in AL
1973 Oakland Athletics, 94-68, Won World Series
1977 Boston Red Sox, 97-64, 2nd in AL East
1978 New York Yankees, 100-63, Won World Series
1982 Baltimore Orioles, 94-68, 2nd in AL East
1996 Seattle Mariners, 85-76, 2nd in AL West
2005 Chicago White Sox, 99-63, Won World Series
2008 Los Angeles Dodgers, 84-78, Lost NLCS
2010 Tampa Bay Rays, 96-66, Lost ALDS
2013 Detroit TIgers, 93-69, Lost ALCS

3 points

1874 Boston Red Stockings, 52-19, National Association Champions[/url]
1907 Pittsburgh Pirates, 91-63, 2nd in NL
1919 New York Giants, 87-53, 2nd in NL
1928 Pittsburgh Pirates, 85-67, 4th in NL
1930 Washington Senators, 94-60, 2nd in AL
1939 St. Louis Cardinals, 92-61, 2nd in NL
1940 Detroit Tigers, 90-64, Lost World Series
1944 St. Louis Cardinals, 105-49
1951 New York Giants, 98-59, Lost World Series
1959 Milwaukee Braves, 86-70, 2nd in NL
1965 Cleveland Indians, 87-75, 5th in AL
1969 Boston Red Sox, 87-75, 3rd in AL East
1975 Kansas City Royals, 91-71, 2nd in AL West
1978 Milwaukee Brewers, 93-69, 3rd in AL East
1983 Montreal Expos, 82-80, 3rd in NL East
1984 California Angels, 81-81, 2nd in AL West
1984 San Diego Padres, 92-70, Lost World Series
1985 Los Angeles Dodgers, 95-67, Lost NLCS
1985 Kansas City Royals, 91-71, Won World Series
1987 Cincinnati Reds, 84-78, 2nd in NL West
1989 Toronto Blue Jays, 89-73, Lost ALCS
1989 California Angels, 91-71, 3rd in AL West
1999 Arizona Diamondbacks, 100-62, Lost NLDS
2007 Colorado Rockies, 90-73, Lost World Series
2010 Milwaukee Brewers, 77-85, 3rd in NL Central
2013 Atlanta Braves, 96-66, Lost NLDS
The Mystery Marauder Re-Capture Pack (Contents: Unknown!)

2 points

1901 Philadelphia Phillies, 83-57, 2nd in NL
1909 St. Louis Browns, 61-89, 7th in AL
1917 Cincinnati Reds, 78-76, 4th in NL
1919 Pittsburgh Pirates, 71-68, 4th in NL
1920 Washington Senators, 68-84, 6th in AL
1929 Philadelphia Phillies, 71-82, 5th in NL
1938 Cleveland Indians, 86-66, 3rd in AL
1940 Pittsgurgh Pirates, 78-76, 4th in NL
1954 Chicago White Sox, 94-60, 3rd in AL
1961 Chicago White Sox, 86-76, 4th in AL
1968 Cleveland Indians, 86-75, 3rd in AL
1975 Montreal Expos, 75-87, 5th in NL East
1975 Chicago White Sox, 75-86, 5th in AL West
1977 New York Mets, 64-98, 6th in NL East
1980 St. Louis Cardinals, 74-88, 4th in NL East
1983 Atlanta Braves, 88-74, 2nd in NL West
1983 Houston Astros, 85-77, 3rd in NL West
1987 Chicago Cubs, 76-85, 6th in NL East
1991 Seattle Mariners, 83-79, 5th in AL West
1991 San Fransisco Giants, 75-87, 4th in NL West
1992 Minnesota Twins, 90-72, 2nd in AL West
1996 Florida Marlins, 80-82, 3rd in NL East
1997 St. Louis Cardinals, 73-89, 4th in NL Central
2000 Texas Rangers, 71-91, 4th in AL West
2002 Toronto Blue Jays, 78-84, 3rd in AL East
2004 San Diego Padres, 87-75, 3rd in NL West
2005 Chicago Cubs, 79-83, 4th in NL Central
2010 Oakland Athletics, 81-81, 2nd in AL West

1 point

1903 Chicago White Sox, 60-77, 7th in AL
1905 St. Louis Cardinals, 58-96, 6th in NL
1913 Brooklyn Superbas, 65-84, 6th in NL
1915 Cleveland Indians, 57-95, 7th in AL
1922 Philadelphia Athletics, 65-89, 7th in AL
1923 Philadelphia Phillies, 50-104, 8th in NL
1924 Boston Red Sox, 67-87, 7th in AL
1928 Boston Braves, 50-103, 7th in NL
1928 Brooklyn Robins, 77-76, 6th in NL
1930 Cleveland Indians, 81-73, 4th in AL
1932 Cincinnati Reds, 60-94, 8th in NL
1937 Boston Bees, 79-73, 5th in NL
1937 St. Louis Browns, 46-108, 8th in AL
1941 Chicago White Sox, 77-77, 3rd in AL
1944 New York Yankees, 83-71, 3rd in AL
1948 Chicago Cubs, 64-90, 8th in NL
1950 Pittsburgh Pirates, 57-96, 8th in NL
1951 Philadelphia Athletics, 70-84, 6th in AL
1952 Detroit Tigers, 50-104, 8th in AL
1952 St. Louis Browns, 64-90, 7th in AL
1954 Washington Senators, 66-88, 6th in AL
1958 Cincinnati Redlegs, 76-78, 4th in NL
1963 Boston Red Sox, 76-85, 7th in AL
1967 Atlanta Braves, 77-85, 7th in NL
1969 New York Yankees, 80-81, 5th in AL East
1973 Atlanta Braves, 76-85, 5th in NL West
1980 San Fransisco Giants, 75-86, 5th in NL West
1981 Chicago White Sox, 54-52, 3rd in AL West
1987 Philadelphia Phillies, 80-82, 4th in NL East
1990 Houston Astros, 75-87, 4th in NL West
1992 New York Yankees, 76-86, 4th in AL East
1999 Detroit Tigers, 69-92, 3rd in AL Central
2004 Cincinnati Reds, 76-86, 4th in NL Central
2007 Baltimore Orioles, 69-93, 4th in AL East
2012 Chicago Cubs, 61-101, 5th in NL Central
2012 New York Mets, 74-88, 4th in NL East


New Teams List
1. Craig_K's team of the damned
2. Pashington United B.C.
3. The Champs of Ramp
4. The Armitage Experiment
5. Pander Bears
6. Monicro's Monibros
7. TA-DA-SHI!
8. Poor, poor Pungry
9. johnfw50
10. The Republic of Belarus Presents the Idaho Potatoes
11. The Loosed Moose
12. S.F. Nortons
13. Infidel Castro
14. IcePhoenix Action!

Smasher Dynamo fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Sep 24, 2014

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Nov 4, 2008

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CraigK fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Sep 19, 2014

Pash
Sep 10, 2009

The First of the Adorable Dead
Taking:
1907 Pirates 3
1906 Giants 4
1987 Cubs 2
1967 Braves 1
1932 Reds 1

ChampRamp
Mar 29, 2010

:siren: SAVE_US.CHR :siren:
1932 Yankees 5
2013 Tigers 4
1983 Astros 2

DID IT

E: Team Name: Second City Sunbears

Team Logo (150x150 preferred): http://i.imgur.com/L0bkyHP.png

Home City: Chicago, Illinois

Home Stadium: Kingdome
(Give me the dimensions and playing surface if it's a custom stadium)

DH Preference: Yes

Teams Used: 1932 Yankees, 2013 Tigers, 1983 Astros

30-Man Roster:
C Bill Dickey (1932 Yankees)
1B Lou Gehrig (1932 Yankees)
2B Tony Lazzeri (1932 Yankees)
OF Babe Ruth (1932 Yankees)
OF Earle Combs (1932 Yankees)
OF Ben Chapman (1932 Yankess)
RP Wilcy Moore (1932 Yankees)
1B Prince Fielder (2013 Tigers)
3B Miguel Cabrera (2013 Tigers)
C Victor Martinez (2013 Tigers)
SP Max Scherzer (2013 Tigers)
SP Justin Verlander (2013 Tigers)
SP Anibal Sanchez (2013 Tigers)
SP Doug Fister (2013 Tigers)
RP Drew Smyly (2013 Tigers)
RP Joaquin Benoit (2013 Tigers)
OF Jose Cruz (1983 Astros)
SS Dickie Thon (1983 Astros)
SP Nolan Ryan (1983 Astros)
RP Bill Dawley (1983 Astros)
C Alan Ashby (1983 Astros)
SP Red Ruffing (1932 Yankees)
OF Austin Jackson (2013 Tigers)
SP Rick Porcello (2013 Tigers)
RP Frank DiPino (1983 Astros)
3B Joe Sewell (1932 Yankees)
OF Jerry Mumphrey (1983 Astros)
RP Luke Putkonen (2013 Tigers)
2B Bill Doran (1983 Astros)
SP Joe Niekro (1983 Astros)

25 in the majors, 5 in the minors

Lineups:
With DH:
2B Tony Lazzeri
1B Lou Gehrig
3B Miguel Cabrera
RF Babe Ruth
DH Prince Fielder
LF Jose Cruz
C Bill Dickey
CF Earle Combs
SS Dickie Thon

Bench:
OF Ben Chapman
C Victor Martinez
3B Joe Sewell
CF Austin Jackson


Without DH:
2B Tony Lazzeri
1B Lou Gehrig
3B Miguel Cabrera
RF Babe Ruth
LF Jose Cruz
C Bill Dickey
CF Earle Combs
SS Dickie Thon
Pitcher

Bench:
1B Prince Fielder
C Victor Martinez
OF Ben Chapman
3B Joe Sewell

Pitching Rotation:
SP Max Scherzer
SP Justin Verlander
SP Nolan Ryan
SP Anibal Sanchez
SP Doug Fister

Bullpen:
CL Joaquin Benoit
SU Drew Smyly
SR Frank DiPino
SR Bill Dawley
MR Luke Putkonen
MR Wilcy Moore
LR Rick Porcello

Minors:
SP Joe Niekro
OF Jerry Mumphrey
C Alan Ashby
SP Red Ruffing
2B Bill Doran

Strategy (Rate on a scale from -5 to +5)

Hit and Run: 0
Sacrifice Bunt: 0
Squeeze Play: +1
Trying for extra bases: +1
Stealing Bases: +1
Aggressively Tagging Up: +1
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases): 0
Giving Intentional Walks: 0
Pitching Around Good Hitters: 0
Bringing the Infield In: 0
Guarding the Lines: 0
Making Cutoff Throws: +1
Bringing in Pinch Hitters: 0
Bringing in Pinch Runners: 0
Bringing in Defensive Replacements: -1
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest: 0
Letting pitchers pitch throw trouble: +1
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts: 0

If I screwed something up, let me know

ChampRamp fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Sep 20, 2014

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician

ChampRamp posted:

1932 Yankees 5
E: Hang on

Gotta do them all at once!!!

ChampRamp
Mar 29, 2010

:siren: SAVE_US.CHR :siren:

Monicro posted:

Gotta do them all at once!!!

AHHHHHHHHH I'm working on it

mrnoun
Jul 24, 2007
The 5-point 1954 Indians accidentally link to the 1956 Indians page at Baseball Reference. This is a typo on my part, the 1954 Indians are the correct team. The link: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLE/1954.shtml


Also, the Center for Disease Control has issued a Light-to-Moderate Reggie Smith Warning for the 1969 Boston Red Sox. Select them at your own risk.

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."

mrnoun posted:

The 5-point 1954 Indians accidentally link to the 1956 Indians page at Baseball Reference. This is a typo on my part, the 1954 Indians are the correct team. The link: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLE/1954.shtml

Just fixed that.

Also, CFBalla is running the EC this time around, just so you guys know.

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."
1956 New York Yankees (4)
Marauder Pack (3)
1940 Pittsburgh Pirates (2)
1996 Florida Marlins (2)

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

02 jays 2
84 padres 3
04 reds 1
75 expos 2
63 red sox 1
28 braves 1
80 giants 1


OK DONE

tadashi fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Sep 19, 2014

Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.



About to get on plane. This sucks can't get a team...

Eh fuckit...

20 white sox 4
96 mariners 4
80 cards 2
07 orioles

No idea whose in most of em. Fun!

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician
1929 A's (4)
1944 Cardinals (3)
1902 A's (4)

Pungry
Feb 26, 2011

JUST PICK ONE. ANY ONE.
95 Braves (5)
00 Rangers (2)
92 Twins (2)
05 Cubs (2)

Forzelt
Jul 23, 2012

Variance? Fuck that noise.

tadashi posted:

02 jays 2
84 padres 3
04 reds 1
75 expos 2
63 red sox 1
28 braves 1
80 giants 1


OK DONE

Great team. Lots of feeders is the way to go.

CraigK
Nov 4, 2008

by exmarx
this team blows i kinda dont wanna do this anymore

CFBalla
Sep 16, 2009

Yeah, I just made that shot. :smug:

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Also, CFBalla is running the EC this time around, just so you guys know.

I promise not to kill all your teams. Maybe.

Anyway, if you guys could just edit rosters into your posts, that'd be great so then I don't have to enter them all in at once when you post them in the real thread.

CraigK
Nov 4, 2008

by exmarx
whatever

1947 red sox 4
1909 browns 2
1920 senators2
1991 mariners2
1990 astros 1

New Team Form

Fill out Now

This needs to be done to secure a spot in the Super-League

Teams Selected:

Pick eleven points worth of teams (twelve points for people who have never owned a Super-League team before), spread out over as many teams as you'd like. Hell, you could have eleven one-point teams if you really wanted.

Fill Out Soon

These items also need to be filled out, but not immediately, just as soon as you have some spare time

Team Name:

Team Logo (150x150 preferred):

Home City: dunno i think Aperture was based in Cleveland or something, anyway the park needs an altitude of 250 ft

Home Stadium:


DH Preference: No

30-Man Roster:
C: craig biggio (1990 astros)
1B: Rudy York (1947 Red Sox)
2B: Bobby Doerr (1947 Red Sox)
3B: Edgar Martinez (1991 Mariners)
SS: Johnny Pesky (1947 Red Sox)
LF: Ted Williams (1947 Red Sox)
CF: Ken Griffey Jr (1991 Mariners)
RF: Sam Rice (1920 Senators)

Bench: Alvin Davis (1991 Mariners)
Bench: Jay Buhner (1991 Mariners)
Bench: Dom Dimaggio (1947 Red Sox)
Bench: Jimmy Williams (1909 Browns)
Bench: Omar Vizquel (91 Mariners)
Bench: Clyde Milan (09 browns)

Minors: Joe Judge (1920 Senators)
Minors: Ken Caminiti (1990 Astros)
Minors: Rich Gedman (1990 Astros)

SP: Walter Johnson (1920 Senators)
SP: Rube Waddell (1909 Browns)
SP: Jack Powell (1909 Browns)
SP: Harry Howell (1909 Browns)
SP: Randy Johnson (1991 Mariners)
RP: Dave Smith (1990 Astros)
RP: Mike Jackson (1991 Mariners)
RP: Larry Andersen (1990 Astros)
RP: Tom Zachary (1920 Senators)
RP: Danny Darwin (1990 Astros)
RP: Bill Swift (1991 Mariners)

Minors: Mike Scott (1990 Astros)
Minors: Bill Dineen (1909 Browns)

25 in the majors, 5 in the minors

Lineups:

SS: Johnny Pesky (1947 Red Sox)
RF: Sam Rice (1920 Senators)
LF: Ted Williams (1947 Red Sox)
CF: Ken Griffey Jr (1991 Mariners)
3B: Edgar Martinez (1991 Mariners)
1B: Rudy York (1947 Red Sox)
C: craig biggio (1990 astros)
2B: Bobby Doerr (1947 Red Sox)


Bench: Alvin Davis (1991 Mariners)
Bench: Jay Buhner (1991 Mariners)
Bench: Dom Dimaggio (1947 Red Sox)
Bench: Jimmy Williams (1909 Browns)
Bench: Omar Vizquel (91 Mariners)
Bench: Clyde Milan (09 browns)

Pitching Rotation:

SP: Walter Johnson (1920 Senators)
SP: Rube Waddell (1909 Browns)
SP: Jack Powell (1909 Browns)
SP: Harry Howell (1909 Browns)
SP: Randy Johnson (1991 Mariners)
RP: Dave Smith (1990 Astros)
RP: Mike Jackson (1991 Mariners)
RP: Larry Andersen (1990 Astros)
RP: Tom Zachary (1920 Senators)
RP: Danny Darwin (1990 Astros)
RP: Bill Swift (1991 Mariners)

Strategy (Rate on a scale from -5 to +5)
all zeroes on the strategy for now

CraigK fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Sep 19, 2014

CraigK
Nov 4, 2008

by exmarx
those feeders suck worse than the last one but whatever i dont care anymore

Zodiac5000
Jun 19, 2006

Protects the Pack!

Doctor Rope
Somebody pick a team with like six Todds on it. and 25-man Roster them all. Please. I have to see it. I have to see Todhunter Prime.

PASS THE MASH
Oct 30, 2013


Hey I'll take what's probably a death sentence. 1995 Cleveland Indians. 1975 Cincinnati Reds. 1919 Pittsburgh Pirates

Ice To Meet You
Mar 5, 2007

johnfw50 posted:

Hey I'll take what's probably a death sentence.

That's the spirit!

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."

johnfw50 posted:

Hey I'll take what's probably a death sentence. 1995 Cleveland Indians. 1975 Cincinnati Reds. 1919 Pittsburgh Pirates

Well, the Super-League is kind of like real life. There's no real way to win, it's just a matter of making what time you have meaningful before you are destroyed by forces beyond your control.

Come to think of it, perhaps an LP that reflects the existentialist nightmare of our mortal existence was never likely be a crowd favorite.

Grinnblade
Sep 24, 2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlYgPLN8Vgw





Idaho Potatoes @IdahoPotatoes
Belarusian President Lukashenko has decreed the Idaho Potatoes will enter the Expansion Cup after a prolonged absence.
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Team manager Grinnblade, looking thin and gaunt even after an extended vacation, announced a new training regimen including DDP Yoga.
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Team Name: Idaho Potatoes
Home City: Lewiston, Idaho (elevation 745 feet, Coordinates: 46.41°N 117.02°W)
Stadium: Lukashenko Dome (Dome, Artificial Turf, Excellent IF Quality, Very Short Grass, Average Foul Grounds, Average Visibility, LF 340, LC 385, CF 415, RC 385, RF 340)
DH Preference:: No DH

Teams Used:
1874 Boston, 1983 Montreal, 1977 New York Mets, 2012 New York Mets, 1930 Cleveland, 1958 Cincinatti

Starting Line-up vs. Both
1) LF Tim Raines (1983 MTL)
2) 2B Ross Barnes (1874 BOS)
3) CF Earl Averill (1930 CLE)
4) RF Frank Robinson (1958 CIN)
5) C Cal McVey (1874 BOS)/Deacon White (1874 BOS)
6) SS George Wright (1874 BOS)
7) 1B Jim O'Rourke (1874 BOS)
8) 3B David Wright (2012 NYM)
9) PITCHER SLOT

Bench
Whichever C isn't catching that day
IF Joe Sewell (1930 CLE)
OF Andre Dawson (1983 MTL)
UT Dave Kingman (1977 NYM)
C Gary Carter (1983 MTL)

Pitching Rotation
SP1 Al Spalding (1874 BOS)
SP2 Tom Seaver (1977 NYM)
SP3 Jerry Koosman (1977 NYM)
SP4 Jon Matlack (1977 NYM) (Personal Catcher Deacon White)
SP5 Don Newcombe (1958 CIN)

Bullpen
CL Jeff Reardon (1983 MTL)
SU Bryn Smith (1983 MTL)
SR Bobby Parnell (2012 NYM)
SR Dan Schatzeder (1983 MTL)
MR Bob James (1983 MTL)
MR Wes Ferrell (1930 CLE)
LR Johan Santana (2012 NYM)

Minors
C Smokey Burgess (1958 CLE)
IF Joe Torre (1977 NYM)
P Matt Harvey (2012 NYM)
P R.A. Dickey (2012 NYM)
P Bob Apodaca (1977 NYM)

Sliders
Hit and Run: +2
Sacrifice Bunt: +2
Squeeze Play: -1
Trying for extra bases: +2
Stealing Bases: +2
Aggressively Tagging Up: +1
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases): +1
Giving Intentional Walks: 0
Pitching Around Good Hitters: 0
Bringing the Infield In: 0
Guarding the Lines: 0
Making Cutoff Throws: +2
Bringing in Pinch Hitters: 0
Bringing in Pinch Runners: 0
Bringing in Defensive Replacements: +2
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest: -2
Letting pitchers pitch through trouble: +2
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts: +2

Grinnblade fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Sep 19, 2014

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

I am in on this!

Mooseontheloose fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Sep 19, 2014

Zodiac5000
Jun 19, 2006

Protects the Pack!

Doctor Rope
Excellent. More large, four legged mammals in the super league.

Forzelt
Jul 23, 2012

Variance? Fuck that noise.

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Come to think of it, perhaps an LP that reflects the existentialist nightmare of our mortal existence was never likely be a crowd favorite.

I think this is baseball's problem/greatness as well.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

1959 Milwaukee Braves (3 points)
1968 Indians (2 points)
1977 Boston Red Sox (4 points)
1954 Chicago White Sox (2 points)

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician

The revolution is upon us!

Team Name: Monsteropolis Robot Masters (note to gingemidget: if the length makes it look bad on the banner just shorten it to robot masters)

Team Logo (150x150 preferred):

Home City: Wily's Castle (read: anywhere sea level)

Home Stadium: Wily Stage 1 (this stuff shamelessly stolen from the OG plunder corp: set everything to average, then manually set the 100 for singles, doubles, triples, errors, home runs, the works. Totally neutral park.)

DH Preference: Yes

30-Man Roster:

C: Mickey Cochrane
1B: Jimmie Foxx
2B: Nap Lajoie
3B: jimmie dykes
SS: Marty Marion
LF: Al Simmons
CF: Elmer Flick
RF: Stan musial
DH: Eddie collins

Bench: Walker Cooper, Johnny hopp, Max bishop, george burns, lave cross

SP: Rube Waddell
SP: Lefty Grove
SP: Eddie Plank
SP: Bill Bernhard
SP: Mort Cooper

Bullpen: max lanier, eddie rommel, harry breechen, tom walker, George Earnshaw, Andy Coakley (just autosort them cause geez)

AAA:

C: Ossee Schrecongost
3B: Whitey Kurowski
OF: Socks Seybold
SP: Howard Ehmke
SP: jack quinn

code:
cochrmi01, 1929
foxxji01, 1929
dykesji01, 1929
simmoal01, 1929
bishoma01, 1929
burnsge02, 1929
collied01, 1929
grovele01, 1929
earnsge01, 1929
quinnja01, 1929
rommeed01, 1929
ehmkeho01, 1929
lajoina01, 1902
crossla01, 1902
schreos01, 1902
seyboso01, 1902
planked01, 1902
wadderu01, 1902
coaklan01, 1902
bernhbi01, 1902
walketo01, 1902
flickel01, 1902
brechha01, 1944
musiast01, 1944
coopewa01, 1944
hoppjo01, 1944
kurowwh01, 1944
marioma01, 1944
coopemo01, 1944
laniema01, 1944
Lineups:

w/ DH:

1. Elmer Flick CF
2. Stan Musial RF
3. Al Simmons LF
4. Jimmie Foxx 1B
5. Nap Lajoie 2B
6. Eddie Collins DH
7. Mickey Cochrane C
8. Jimmie Dykes 3B
9. Marty Marion SS

w/o DH:

1. Elmer Flick CF
2. Stan Musial RF
3. Al Simmons LF
4. Jimmie Foxx 1B
5. Nap Lajoie 2B
6. Mickey Cochrane C
7. Marty Marion SS
8. Jimmie Dykes 3B
P


Pitching Rotation:

Rube Waddell
Lefty Grove
Eddie Plank
Bill Bernhard
Mort Cooper

Strategies:

All 0 for the EC

Monicro fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Sep 19, 2014

CraigK
Nov 4, 2008

by exmarx

Monicro posted:

Team Name: Monsteropolis Robot Masters (note to gingemidget: if the length makes it look bad on the banner just shorten it to robot masters)

Team Logo (150x150 preferred):

Home City: Wily's Castle (read: anywhere sea level)

Home Stadium: Wily Stage 1 (this stuff shamelessly stolen from the OG plunder corp: set everything to average, then manually set the 100 for singles, doubles, triples, errors, home runs, the works. Totally neutral park.)


poo poo to the power to gently caress yes

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Monicro posted:

The revolution is upon us!

Team Name: Monsteropolis Robot Masters (note to gingemidget: if the length makes it look bad on the banner just shorten it to robot masters)

Team Logo (150x150 preferred):

Home City: Wily's Castle (read: anywhere sea level)

Home Stadium: Wily Stage 1 (this stuff shamelessly stolen from the OG plunder corp: set everything to average, then manually set the 100 for singles, doubles, triples, errors, home runs, the works. Totally neutral park.)

This is already the best team of this next EC class. The fact that it has Johnny Hopp on it makes it even better. A shame that that means I can't take this idea for myself anymore. Oh well, I've still got my Düsterburg Dukes fallback.

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician

TheMcD posted:

This is already the best team of this next EC class.

in talent or gimmick pls say the former i crave validation

CraigK
Nov 4, 2008

by exmarx

Monicro posted:

in talent or gimmick pls say the former i crave validation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1t6I7wE5AE

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer
This looks cool, I'll claim these teams and write up a lineup/rotation in a bit:

JosefStalinator:

1983 Atlanta Braves – 2
1929 Philadelphia Phillies - 2
1928 Brooklyn Robins – 1
1944 NY Yankees - 1
1969 NY Yankees – 1
1973 Atlanta Braves – 1
1915 Cleveland Indians – 1
1941 Chicago White Sox - 1
1905 St Louis Cardinals - 1
2012 Chicago Cubs -1

EDIT: gently caress high value teams

JosefStalinator fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Sep 19, 2014

Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Roëmænce is ælive!

Monicro posted:

The revolution is upon us!

Team Name: Monsteropolis Robot Masters (note to gingemidget: if the length makes it look bad on the banner just shorten it to robot masters)

I am mad you beat me to the gimmick. It was going to be Elec Man even. Evolution of Circuitry even.

Looking at your team, I don't see anything that would be difficult to obtain missing except for Pitching which everyone needs ever, so I say good job.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer
EDIT: See new post for better organized and updated team.

JosefStalinator fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Sep 22, 2014

Pungry
Feb 26, 2011

JUST PICK ONE. ANY ONE.
Team Name: Antarctic Coldplayers

Team Logo:

Home City: Antarctica

Home Stadium: The Ballpark in Arlington

DH Preference: Yeah

Teams Used:
95 Braves (5)
00 Rangers (2)
92 Twins (2)
05 Cubs (2)

30-Man Roster:
95 Greg Maddux, P maddugr01
05 Greg Maddux, P (minors) maddugr01
95 Tom Glavine, P glavito02
95 John Smoltz, P smoltjo01
05 Mark Prior, P priorma01
05 Carlos Zambrano, P zambrca01
92 John Smiley, P (Minors) smilejo01
95 Mark Wohlers, CL wohlema01
95 Greg McMichael, RP mcmicgr01
92 Carl Willis RP willica01
92 Mark Guthrie, RP guthrma01 (minors)
92 Tom Edens, RP edensto01
05 Ryan Dempster, RP dempsry01
00 Ivan Rodriguez, C rodriiv01
95 Javy Lopez, C lopezja01
95 Fred McGriff, 1B/DH mcgrifr01
05 Derrek Lee, 1B/DH leede02
00 Rafael Palmeiro, 1B/DH palmera01
05 Todd Walker, 2B walketo04
00 Luis Alcea, 2B alicelu01
05 Neifi Perez, SS perezne01
05 Aramis Ramirez, 3B ramirar01
95 Chipper Jones, 3B jonesch06
95 Ryan Klesko, LF kleskry01
92 Kirby Puckett, CF puckeki01
00 Gabe Kaplar, CF kaplega01
92 Pedro Munoz, RF munozpe01
05 Jeromy Burnintz, RF (minors) burnije01
05 Nomar Garciaparra, SS garcino01
00 David Segui, DH (minors) seguida01]

Lineups:
VS Righties
:
1. Ryan Klesko, LF
2. Kirby Puckett, CF
3. Fred McGriff, 1B
4. Rafael Palmeiro, DH
5. Aramis Ramirez, 3B
6. Ivan Rodriguez, C
7. Todd Walker, 2B
8. Pedro Munoz, RF
9. Neifi Perez, SS

VS Lefties:
1. Derrek Lee, 1B
2. Ryan Klesko, LF
3. Kirby Puckett, CF
4. Rafael Palmeiro, DH
5. Chipper Jones, 3B
6. Todd Walker, 2B
7. Javy Lopez, C
8. Pedro Munoz, RF
9. Neifi Perez, SS

VS Non-DH:
1. Ryan Klesko, LF
2. Kirby Puckett, CF
3. Derrek Lee, 1B
4. Chipper Jones, 3B
5. Ivan Rodriguez, C
6. Todd Walker, 2B
7. Pedro Munoz, RF
8. Neifi Perez, SS
9. Pitcher

Pitching Rotation:
1. 95 Greg Maddux
2. 95 Tom Glavine
3. 95 John Smoltz
4. 05 Mark Prior
5. 05 Carlos Zambrano

Strategy (Rate on a scale from -5 to +5):

Hit and Run: 0
Sacrifice Bunt: 0
Squeeze Play: 0
Trying for extra bases: 0
Stealing Bases: 0
Aggressively Tagging Up: 0
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases): 0
Giving Intentional Walks: 0
Pitching Around Good Hitters: 0
Bringing the Infield In: 0
Guarding the Lines: 0
Making Cutoff Throws: 0
Bringing in Pinch Hitters: 3
Bringing in Pinch Runners: 0
Bringing in Defensive Replacements: 0
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest: 0
Letting pitchers pitch throw trouble: 0
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts: 0

Don't worry Smasher, this team will never come close to the Super League so you won't have to worry about having Coldplay in the league.

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

How soon do you need rosters? I might not be able to fill mine out until sometime tomorrow afternoon. I have no loving clue who's going to be the 5th/6th starting pitchers on this team or where this bullpen is going so I need time to look at every loving pitcher in my feeders.

Pash
Sep 10, 2009

The First of the Adorable Dead

tadashi posted:

How soon do you need rosters? I might not be able to fill mine out until sometime tomorrow afternoon. I have no loving clue who's going to be the 5th/6th starting pitchers on this team or where this bullpen is going so I need time to look at every loving pitcher in my feeders.

My team literally has 1 Reliever that I think is SL quality. I know how you feel. My 5th starter, LRP, and minor league pitchers are all a bunch of deadballers that are essentially coin flips. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with my team, will probably post my lineups and stuff tonight or tomorrow.

I think we have plenty of time tadashi, as they still need to get more people to sign up.

The Merry Marauder
Apr 4, 2009

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."
Ron Reed gets no respect.

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Pash
Sep 10, 2009

The First of the Adorable Dead

The Merry Marauder posted:

Ron Reed gets no respect.

I had not actually noticed his decent SL record when I said that. Okay maybe I have 2 okay relievers...

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