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Oh jeez, they referenced the Invunche all the time in early Hellblazer and I assumed that was just something to be referred to but never shown. Thanks!
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Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbunche
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It's hard to tell, because you vaguely praise Snyder's run a paragraph earlier but are you saying to avoid the New 52 Constantine or the New 52 Swamp Thing? Because I agree that New 52 Constantine is really lame and it's a shame how badly they've watered him down but I hugely disagree with the idea of avoiding New 52 Swamp Thing which I honestly think is the best take on the character since Moore's run, better than Veitch and his successors by far and arguably better than the Morrison/Millar run too (the BKV and following runs are pretty poo poo). Charles Soule's run in particular is absolutely amazing and also consists of one of the best takes of John Constantine and really nails what a manipulative bastard he is. I know it's easy to overlook and disregard all New 52 titles for being New 52 but Swamp Thing is a drat good exception and Charles Soule adds a lot of new ideas to the whole nature of The Green. He also does a really good take on that subtle horror feel that Moore's run often had during the Whiskey Tree arc. This image is a pretty good summary of the main Swamp Thing recommended reading: 
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The ratings are not good, guys. Could just be because of Halloween, though so don't lose hope. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-steady/322517/quote:Constantine garnered a 0.9 adults 18-49 rating, down 36 percent from a 1.4 for last week’s premiere.
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I just watched the first two episodes. This show is pretty good. It's not perfect yet, but it deserves much better than a 0.9, because it gets a lot right and has definite potential.
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Nov 3, 2014 09:42
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mind the walrus posted:Excellent stuff Thank you for this - sandman was my first foray into comics and got me into gaiman's work in a larger way, so I'll definitely be checking out everything here.
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Nov 3, 2014 10:30
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Surprised not one mentioned how John was just about to light up a cigarette when he got back to his hotel room.
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TheJoker138 posted:I just watched the first two episodes. This show is pretty good. It's not perfect yet, but it deserves much better than a 0.9, because it gets a lot right and has definite potential. I suppose right now people unfamiliar with the setting might feel like it's aping Supernatural a lot. There's the buddy angel bossing him around, and the big old map that looks like it'll keep him chasing across country to solve monster-of-the-week mysteries forever. Personally I wouldn't actually mind that, because Ryan does the job well and is entertaining to watch, but it might help if they introduced some larger common thread to tie the episodes together and give a more coherent large-scale storyline.
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hollylolly posted:The ratings are not good, guys. Could just be because of Halloween, though so don't lose hope. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-steady/322517/  I'm still keeping a bit of hope. Or at least I'm going to enjoy the series for as long as it lasts (and hoping Netflix or Amazon picks it up in case of cancellation).
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Davros1 posted:Surprised not one mentioned how John was just about to light up a cigarette when he got back to his hotel room. Him lighting, holding, and putting out cigarettes works much better than I thought it would.
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Hopefully if this gets renewed they just let him smoke because dancing around the subject like this is already pretty silly. I'm pretty sure at the start of last week's episode when he was first walking into town they had him smoking, just shot from behind so you couldn't actually see the cigarette in his mouth.
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For a fraction of a second, but just the end of it, you can't see his mouth.
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The hell with it, they should censor it Jojo style, put a big smudge of black all over his face.
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Nov 3, 2014 16:08
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They should just digitally replace the cigarettes with something ridiculous like a miniature version of himself.
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Nov 3, 2014 16:29
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TheJoker138 posted:They should just digitally replace the cigarettes with something ridiculous like a miniature version of himself. Only if the small version has a cigarette. ---- I am completely unsurprised that a show in the "Friday Night Death Slot" isn't gathering hot ratings. Predictably reddit tried to rake me over the coals for saying that because  "What about DVR and Hulu the TV landscape is not the same dammit!", but I mean come on it's called the "Friday Night Death Slot" for a reason.
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Nov 3, 2014 16:31
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They should only show him smoking for the 2 5 Cancer storyline
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mind the walrus posted:Only if the small version has a cigarette. There's hope that it can be a survivor like Hannibal...which did much worse in rantings, but then it has a very artsy direction and several other companies are ready to jump and keep it if NBC decides to kill it. TheJoker138 posted:They should just digitally replace the cigarettes with something ridiculous like a miniature version of himself. I'm all behind this.
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Desperado Bones posted:There's hope that it can be a survivor like Hannibal...which did much worse in rantings, but then it has a very artsy direction and several other companies are ready to jump and keep it if NBC decides to kill it. I'm guessing that....  .... it's all going to come down to how well they can sell NBC/other networks on the long-term idea of a Justice League Dark.
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One area I feel the show could improve with would be to make it a little darker in tone. Like...not that there hasn't been some dark stuff and I'm not saying it needs to get so dark it would have to move to HBO, but my original intro to Constantine was his appearance in that early Sandman story where he has to take Morpheus to get the dream sand back from John's junkie ex. When they find her she's so hosed up on the sand that her house is like a decaying nightmare and she's practically a corpse. Ghost coal miners aren't really spooking me out. Edit: Oh poo poo, how about The Corinthian as a monster some day? That would be rad.
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If they aren't allowing John to smoke, there's no way they let his junkie friends be actual junkies. This being on network TV and not at least something like FX or AMC is going to end up making it so they simply can't do a lot of the things that made the comics special.
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Well Walrus you sold me on Swamp Thing. I've always been a Marvel guy but I've been meaning to get into some DC titles for years. I'll be getting the first volumes of Hellblazer and the Moore Swamp Thing trades.
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Clamknuckle posted:Well Walrus you sold me on Swamp Thing. I've always been a Marvel guy but I've been meaning to get into some DC titles for years. I'll be getting the first volumes of Hellblazer and the Moore Swamp Thing trades. Wow thanks. I do hope you like them. They really are some of my favorite comics of all-time. I was just fan-gushing so it's really surprising to me that others are like "wow that looks awesome" and not just "  shut up no one cares," but then again Moore is considered one of the all-time greatest comics writers for drat good reasons and Swamp Thing was his American break-through.
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TheJoker138 posted:If they aren't allowing John to smoke, there's no way they let his junkie friends be actual junkies. This being on network TV and not at least something like FX or AMC is going to end up making it so they simply can't do a lot of the things that made the comics special. They could do this kind of thing on network television, they just don't have the willingness to do it. Right now this show seems a bit lost. It's getting pulled in a bunch of different directions and isn't doing anything really well. I'm tuning in this week since the previous episode was essentially "Pilot, take 2", but I'm not holding out a lot of hope that this series is going to have the bite that Constantine needs. Right now it might as well be CSI: Ghost Division. Clamknuckle posted:Well Walrus you sold me on Swamp Thing. I've always been a Marvel guy but I've been meaning to get into some DC titles for years. I'll be getting the first volumes of Hellblazer and the Moore Swamp Thing trades. You're going to love the Swamp Thing, but I think that the first few volumes of Hellblazer are pretty rough. If you don't like what you find there, then jump to the run by one of the better regarded writers for the series. I remember seeing "The Anatomy Lesson" on the spinner rack at a supermarket. I should have bought that instead of that issue of Superman...
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Random Stranger posted:They could do this kind of thing on network television, they just don't have the willingness to do it. I like the early Hellblazer stuff, but if it's not doing it for any new readers I would suggest jumping right to Ennis run.
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Desperado Bones posted:The hell with it, they should censor it Jojo style, put a big smudge of black all over his face. Have him walk around with a toothpick in his mouth at all times, like Razor Ramon. Perestroika posted:I suppose right now people unfamiliar with the setting might feel like it's aping Supernatural a lot. Fortunately, I'd already been made aware of how blatantly Supernatural apes the Hellblazer comics. But if I didn't know that, that's 100% what I'd be saying. One thing Supernatural should demonstrate, though: don't just do episodic procedural poo poo all season. Create an actual A-plot. Supernatural has already done every possible variation of a one-off whodunnit with demons and monsters. There's no uncharted territory left for Constantine to go on that front.
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Xealot posted:Supernatural has already done every possible variation of a one-off whodunnit with demons and monsters. There's no uncharted territory left for Constantine to go on that front. Well there are but they're either too expensive or too graphic for network TV. Also whoever said Supernatural fans don't take kindly to pointing out that Castiel wears Constantine's outfit were not kidding.
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mind the walrus posted:Also whoever said Supernatural fans don't take kindly to pointing out that Castiel wears Constantine's outfit were not kidding. Which is weird, cuz people from supernatural have straight up admitted that fact
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Clamknuckle posted:Well Walrus you sold me on Swamp Thing. I've always been a Marvel guy but I've been meaning to get into some DC titles for years. I'll be getting the first volumes of Hellblazer and the Moore Swamp Thing trades. I'd read Sandman too, if you haven't already. Everyone should read it at least once.
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Sandman is another series I've been meaning to get to. I read a few issues of Hellblazer back when they first came out but that was during my long underwear phase so I blew it off. Being a dumb teenager sucks. Hopefully Amazon delivers early today so I can gets to reading.
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I dunno, if the makers of Constantine can't learn from Supernatural's mistakes, particularly the dreadfulness of Season 1, the show doesn't deserve to make it.
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TheJoker138 posted:If they aren't allowing John to smoke, there's no way they let his junkie friends be actual junkies. This being on network TV and not at least something like FX or AMC is going to end up making it so they simply can't do a lot of the things that made the comics special. Junkies are fine on TV, but showing someone smoking will completely destroy the kids. Anti-smoking has gotten a little weird, but then again the TV says they're going to be the last tobacco generation or something. If only celebrities would stop giving free advertising to tobacco 
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Gyges posted:the TV says they're going to be the last tobacco generation or something. Having just been to a school and seen the number of 18-25 year-olds lighting up, I can safely say this is absolute horseshit.
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Gyges posted:Junkies are fine on TV, but showing someone smoking will completely destroy the kids. Anti-smoking has gotten a little weird, but then again the TV says they're going to be the last tobacco generation or something. If only celebrities would stop giving free advertising to tobacco Every time you light a cigarette, a fetus is aborted and a gay couple marries. That evil smoking is. hangedman1984 posted:Which is weird, cuz people from supernatural have straight up admitted that fact There's a lot of clueless people who don't care about doing research. There's another bunch who thinks the Constantine movie is the only and true original source, even if (I'm sure) in the credits they say to be based on a comic. You should see the group of,surprisingly, Latin American people complaining about the lack of Keanu Reeves and asking if the series is a sequel. But I blame that in the fact that we never got Swamp Thing or Hellblazer comics translated. I actually started reading Hellblazer after watching the movie, and only because I'm usually a big nerd that likes comic books. Desperado Bones fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Gyges posted:Junkies are fine on TV, but showing someone smoking will completely destroy the kids. Anti-smoking has gotten a little weird, but then again the TV says they're going to be the last tobacco generation or something. If only celebrities would stop giving free advertising to tobacco Marge's sisters smoke constantly on the Simpsons. It kind of kills the whole excuse about Constantine not being allowed to smoke, especially since it could be framed in a way that was bad.
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ghostwritingduck posted:Marge's sisters smoke constantly on the Simpsons. It kind of kills the whole excuse about Constantine not being allowed to smoke, especially since it could be framed in a way that was bad. Don't people smoke in Hannibal? I recall a character smoking, unless I'm wrong. Perhaps the excuse is that Constantine is the main character, a "hero" and THINK OF THE CHILDREN*!   *Who are not watching the show
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Orgophlax posted:I've only watched the pilot so far, but why was the original chick written out? She was boring. Watch the second episode,it is much better.
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