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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
TBH, that Gil outfit may be disastrous, but it's also extremely characterful.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Rody One Half posted:

The husband is Mordred, who keeps you safe in his big strong arms

IIRC, referring to Mordred as male is exactly as likely to get you eviscerated as referring to Mordred as female.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

TheKirbs posted:

Athoria's problem was that her knights where 95% selfish idiotic poo poo-gibbons who were incapable of making a decision that didn't make things worse for her, themselves and everyone else. That her kingdom got as far as it did is a testemant to her more than anything.

Given that her core problem was 'has no people skills and doesn't know how to delegate', I'd say that her subordinates being utterly disastrous human beings is simply an extension of that.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

TheKirbs posted:

Again every non Bedivere knight is either selfishly stupid, stupidly selfish or an outright traitor undermining Arthoria on behalf of Morgan.

That they amounted to anything is a testament to her people skills (gettiing some actual good out of them despite some litterally chaffing under such high moral standards like 'don't kidnap my uncle's wife because I want to gently caress her') and delegation (putting the idiots in a posistion where the few things they could do would actually benefit people).

No, my point was that a better leader might have picked better lieutenants. If everyone you promote is a selfish idiot and you have to work yourself to death to fix their poo poo, then there's one extremely obvious common factor. It's a feudal kingdom. Choosing your lords and advisors wisely and letting them take up your burdens is a pretty vital part of your duties, and was historically the secret to success for most of the 'great kings'. A king who tries to personally micromanage their kingdom is badly missing the point.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
While some of that is true, it's worth remembering that not all kings and lords are created equal, and that Artoria created much of her kingdom through conquest - in other words, she did indeed have a certain degree of freedom of choice in who she elevated and who she destroyed. Agravain is actually a good example - the Orkney Isles are nice to have, but neither strategically vital nor especially defensible, and the lords of Orkney have historically only retained their posts at the sufferance of the mainland.

The Round Table wasn't simply a symbol of equality - it was a symbol of equality of those who were allowed to sit at it. It implies unity, but also exclusion.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Lt. Lizard posted:

You are looking at the situation through lens of real world politics which is extremely dumb view when we are talking about literal mythological heroes who were more concerned about resisting sorcerers, slaying dragons and getting swords capable of defeating armies with a single blow than the actual politics and responsibilities of feudal lords. Like after excluding the current Knights of the Round Table, from where exactly should Artoria get the other group of legendary heroes that were loyal to her, on board with the whole Round Table thing and powerful enough to deal with the shitloads of magical, supernatural and super-human threats that were trying to destroy Britain at the time?

Yeah, sure she should. This is Fate. The number of almighty, heroic shitkickers from in and around the Arthurian era expands with every gacha. Meanwhile, if we want to talk in purely narrative terms, Artoria's whole story is about the clash between heroic idealism and realpolitik as part of a meditation on what makes a great king, so the real-world politics of kingship are completely relevant here.

SyntheticPolygon posted:

Nobody is talking about the Round Table as a symbol of equality?

The question is about how much power Artoria had over her vassals. The Round Table is an iconic symbol of their relationship. Why wouldn't it be relevant?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Asterite34 posted:

Which Servant smokes the most weed?



Seriously, you even have to ask?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

nrook posted:

In fairness, it's a tall order to make eyes dramatic enough to support her scenes. It wouldn't be enough on its own to let Rider look down on the other Servants. A Noble Phantasm has to be something that lets the one who has it tower over others, at least when it's at its peak. It's a high bar.

Really? Unleashing impressively terrifying magic through your eyes is not exactly an obscure fictional trope, and certainly isn't a foreign concept in anime of all media. Make it a set of huge, flashy eye beams, turn her eyes into windows to a character's worst nightmares, whatever. It's not that hard.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I guess you could say that having such a conventionally powerful Servant is what keeps a scrub like Shirou in the game in the first place.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Irony Be My Shield posted:

No goddamn way Lancer ever wins. No I don't care if it happened canonically in FHA or something

Rin could make solid use of him if she ever got her hands on him. He's basically Archer, but better.

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