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 WHAT ARE ALL THESE WORDS WHO ARE THE GUYS I NEED TO FOCUS ON I am aware that these OPs can drag on and no one wants to read a bunch of poo poo. So, here are a bunch of dudes you can ask me and each other questions about : DECLAN BIG BOARD PROSPECT LIST FINE 1. Jahlil Okafor, C, Duke 2. Karl Towns, PF, Kentucky 3. Mario Hezonja, SG, Barca 4. Cliff Alexander, PF, Kansas 5. Kelly Oubre, SF, Kansas 6. Emmanuel Mudiay, Disappointment, Guangdong 7. Kristaps Porzingis, Jan Vesely, Sevilla 8. Willie Cauley-Stein, C, Kentucky 9. Sam Dekker, White Guy, Wisconsin 10. Stanley Johnson, SF, Arizona 11. Justise Winslow, SF, Duke 12. Tyus Jones, PG, Duke 13. Montrezl Harrell, C, Louisville 14. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, SF, Arizona and I'll stop there because if you're wondering who your team is taking with the 20th pick before the season even starts then I just feel bad for you Hi I'm a Cavs fan who hasn't been following the NBA since like oh 2010 for some reason anyways what's the deal with the draft that I've never paid attention to before now The NBA draft is errthang to the NBA. Teams who are excellent drafters tend to do well in the NBA and teams that are poor drafters tend to do very poorly, unless they are the Lakers, in which case they do very poorly after their years of poor drafting has caught up with them. Why is the NBA draft so drat important Generally speaking, rookie contracts are by and large the best bargain in the NBA. Sure, you'll have LeBron James grossly outperforming a max contract or Kevin Durant taking a hometown discount or whatever the gently caress, but for most teams, the best bargain you can get is on a rookie contract. While most picks do not hit their maximum potential by definition, the expected value for a lottery pick tends to be a league average starter/30 MPG player over the course of their contract. that doesn't sound like much who gives a poo poo about drafting the next james posey I could throw out some numbers but basically it allows you to add starting level players at a controlled cost while also retaining their services as they improve vs. signing an MLE player for twice the cost who is less likely to improve. It's impossible to draft perfectly, and a lot of it is up to chance, but drafting intelligently is the only way to build a good team without either resorting to high risk signings (finite, boom or bust) or plunging your team into cap hell (reduces flexibility). So yeah, it matters. The other thing to take into account is that it is relatively simple to rid yourself of players you don't think are working out or otherwise don't want on rookie contracts because their cap hits are smaller if you cut them outright or they're easier to move in trades (and their value tends to be inflated because of UPSIDE). Picks and players on rookie contracts are among the most liquid assets in the NBA. That being said, most draft picks don't turn into superstars, and out of the lottery, most players don't ever develop into starters. So it's important to temper your expectations of what you're drafting and who you're getting. Every raw college player is not a diamond in the rough, and every NBA-ready international guy doesn't crack the rotation right away.
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These are not in any particular order but are grouped together by estimated draft position. The likely order of the picks is wholly dependent on who holds the pick at whatever slot, so while Jahlil Okafor may be the #1 prospect, that's not necessarily who the team picking #1 will end up with. Mario Hezonja (Born the Same Year That Se7en Came Out/Barca)  SG/SF/PG, 6'8, 200 lbs. Pros: Fast, sees the court well, best friends with Dario Saric so if the Sixers draft him that poo poo's gonna be adorable, can ~*~*~*create his own shot*~*~*~, frame could easily add more weight, excellent passer, fits in the Dwyane Wade/Joe Johnson "do it all" mold which is pretty cool, potentially a very good defender, gifted passer, can shoot the lights out Cons: Dumb as rocks. Terrible shot selection. Terminal case of chicken legs. Also fits in the Dwyane Wade/Joe Johnson mold of "bitching to the refs a lot". Offense primarily relies on isolations at this stage. Only plays at a breakneck pace which amplifies that whole "dumb" thing. Givony says he has bad intangibles but whatever who gives a poo poo if he's "aloof" so is every other European player that isn't Ricky Rubio. Projection: Top 3 Don Van Vliet album that best summarizes his potential: Trout Mask Replica Jahlil Okafor (Fr/Duke)  C/PF, 6'11, 272 lbs. Pros: The latest in a grand tradition of pro-ready Okafors, body already appears to be ready for the NBA, decent athlete, allegedly well-spoken which means he will be a darling of sportswriters and crotchety old men everywhere, great hands, already has more post moves than half the centers starting in the NBA, footwork is good, strong, very gifted as a rebounder, excellent finisher, draws fouls at a very good rate Cons: Looks like a melting Tim Duncan. Doesn't really pass much. Pretty boring as a prospect and as a person. Projection: Top 3 Don Van Vliet album that best summarizes his potential: Safe as Milk Karl Towns (Fr/Kentucky)  PF, 7'0, 248 lbs. Pros: Crazy long (7'4 wingspan, 9'5 standing reach), max vert of 37" holy poo poo, good dunkman, rebounds very well, has range out to about 20 feet, actually has offensive skills, oh man he's gonna block so many loving shots dude, appears to be a very willing passer Cons: Dominican, and therefore not trustworthy. That vert is almost definitely a Cody Zeller-type situation where there's no way he'll ever actually use it. Not as aggressive going inside as he should be. Range stops at 20 feet and goes no further. Projection: Top 3 Don Van Vliet album that best summarizes his potential: Bat Chain Puller Declan MacManus fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 17:36
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Is that Euro guy in the top 3 actually good, or is it a damnation of the depth of this draft class beyond Okafor?
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Oct 21, 2014 17:42
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^^^I think he sounds pretty infuriating. quote:Weaknesses: Here's my Kansas guys post where I just repeat myself. Cliff is very very raw and Oubre is a bad shooter. In my opinion if they jump they'll go a bit lower. However Wayne Selden played on a torn meniscus last season and had it fixed. He's light years better and is the talk of the town. Considering the scarcity of shooting guards I'm predicting he goes top ten.
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Oct 21, 2014 17:49
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kiimo posted:^^^I think he sounds pretty infuriating. Most of the knocks on him are intangibles stuff, and Givony hates dudes with bad intangibles to an almost comical degree (and also loves dudes with good ones). He's already a good shooter and ballhandler and can create his own shot, and he's a decent passer. Defensively, the sky is the limit, even if he doesn't work well in team defenses right now. I'd much rather have him than, say, Sam Dekker
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Oct 21, 2014 18:05
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I like the blurb about what to expect from a lottery pick. My only input there is that you should expect a starter up to and including the tenth pick, a role player up to about the 14th or 17th, and absolutely no expectations for anyone past that. Sources: https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm and https://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740 and https://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/2012/06/22/the-value-of-a-draft-pick-and-the-hornets-picks/
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Oct 21, 2014 18:09
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So who is the Mongolian Derrick Rose or whatever who will be taken in the middle of the first round and make everyone go "what?"
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Oct 21, 2014 18:15
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Hand Knit posted:So who is the Mongolian Derrick Rose or whatever who will be taken in the middle of the first round and make everyone go "what?" I could see Ilimane Diop rising like crazy because he compares to Serge Ibaka (but that's ridiculous because Diop is from Senegal and emigrated to Spain at 14 and Ibaka is Congolese and emigrated to France at 17)
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Oct 21, 2014 18:27
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That seems really high for Dekker right now. He didn't shoot well last year, and he needs to shoot at an elite level to be worth a lottery pick. He supposedly had a great summer though so hopefully that bounces back. Glad to see you won't let the Willie Cauley-Stein dream die. Go down with that ship, man. This draft is loaded with crazy raw but potentially exciting big dudes and Michael Kidd-Gilcrist like wings with great tools/effort but a low skill level. The guy you didn't mention who I really like is Caris LaVert. He's a good athlete, has the size/length to play wing in the NBA, and has a great offensive skill set and nice jumper. It's possible he crumbles as Michigan's go-to guy, but I think he's going to have a breakout the way Stauskas did last year. MourningView fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 18:28
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Can the Euro guy shoot? Can anybody in this class shoot? I really hope the Sixers can draft a guy that can shoot. Death to lottery changes
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Oct 21, 2014 23:33
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Hezonja is known for shooting. Surprise. Towns and Myles Turner can both shoot. But the Sixers probably don't want another center, even if he can shoot.
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Oct 21, 2014 23:49
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kiimo posted:Hezonja is known for shooting. Surprise. Towns and Myles Turner can both shoot. But the Sixers probably don't want another center, even if he can shoot. They can shoot relatively well for their size which is not the same thing as being a good shooter. Every tall dude who hits a handful of threes gets overpraised for his shooting ability. Anyway as for shooters from this class: Oubre, LaVert, RJ Hunter, Dekker maybe, Seldon maybe, Justin Jackson, Frank Kaminsky, Ron Baker or Fred VanFleet if you're into them...I dunno maybe some others I'm forgetting. It's definitely not a great class in that regard.
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Oct 22, 2014 00:26
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MourningView posted:That seems really high for Dekker right now. He didn't shoot well last year, and he needs to shoot at an elite level to be worth a lottery pick. He supposedly had a great summer though so hopefully that bounces back. Caris LeVert is also a really good name for an NBA player quote:Glad to see you won't let the Willie Cauley-Stein dream die. Go down with that ship, man. ~I Believe~ DOOP posted:Can the Euro guy shoot? Can anybody in this class shoot? I really hope the Sixers can draft a guy that can shoot. I don't know about any of that but if you need some long athletes I got a few of those if you want
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Oct 23, 2014 00:54
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Hezonja's name corrects to Hero jams. That is a good omen.
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Oct 23, 2014 02:14
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Not this years draft but I figure this is the best place for it, what do you think of Tarik Black Declan (or anyone else)? He's been really impressive in preseason.
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Oct 24, 2014 01:02
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It's nice to see Tarik Black playing well and not having to resort to his invitation from Aaron Rodgers to play tight end.
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Oct 24, 2014 01:08
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chunkles posted:Not this years draft but I figure this is the best place for it, what do you think of Tarik Black Declan (or anyone else)? He's been really impressive in preseason. Wee bit undersized post scorer, never played as well as his physical abilities would suggest. Projects to be a good rebounder/interior scorer and not a lot else, although he was a decent defender in college. Probably not going to see a lot of time with Dwight on the court as it would gently caress up the Rockets' spacing big time
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Oct 24, 2014 02:25
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Do the Suns get the Lakers 1st round pick outright? or is it protected in anyway?
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Oct 24, 2014 04:55
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Metapod posted:Do the Suns get the Lakers 1st round pick outright? or is it protected in anyway? Top 5 protected
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Oct 24, 2014 05:11
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Kelly Oubre's hair isn't as zesty as this anymore
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Oct 24, 2014 23:59
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Remember when I was talking about Cliff Alexander maybe not being a one and done lottery pick?  yeah I was wrong. In his first game he put up a team-leading 14 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocked shots and shot 6-8 in only 17 minutes. Yeah it was against Washburn but he looks like he's developed some footwork. He's changing my mind is what I'm saying. The game is on ESPN 3 if anybody is interested.
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Nov 4, 2014 16:23
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Declan MacManus posted:I could see Ilimane Diop rising like crazy because he compares to Serge Ibaka (but that's ridiculous because Diop is from Senegal and emigrated to Spain at 14 and Ibaka is Congolese and emigrated to France at 17) Any relation to DeSagana, or is that just a really common surname over there?
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Probably Magic posted:Any relation to DeSagana, or is that just a really common surname over there? Nah, Diop is a really common last name in Senegal.
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Nov 5, 2014 19:36
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This list is hilarious
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Nov 6, 2014 10:17
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So what's the realistic projection for Okafor, and how pissed will I be if he goes to the Celtics or Lakers?
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Nov 6, 2014 23:46
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:So what's the realistic projection for Okafor, and how pissed will I be if he goes to the Celtics or Lakers? Bigger Al Jefferson is probably the most obvious comparison one can make based on his high school tape/rep, and one you will hear approximately 9 million times between now and draft day. We'll know more once he actually gets a few college games under his belt. He's not an out of this world athlete but seems ridiculously polished for someone that age. MourningView fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Nov 6, 2014 23:54
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I like Delon Wright a bit better than that.
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Nov 7, 2014 03:18
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huh, LeBryan Nash is still in college. Thought he graduated/left for the draft years ago.
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Kidd-Liggit posted:huh, LeBryan Nash is still in college. Thought he graduated/left for the draft years ago. This is how I feel about Jonathan Holmes.
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Nov 7, 2014 19:42
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Kidd-Liggit posted:huh, LeBryan Nash is still in college. Thought he graduated/left for the draft years ago. He is Exhibit A of the one-and-done player that turned out to be neither one nor done. He's pretty bad, honestly, but a D-League team will be happy to have him.
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Nov 8, 2014 08:27
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Dudes who were projected as NBA picks out of high school but wind up playing 4 years because they aren't good enough to leave early always feel like they were in school for 20 years. It felt like Patric Young started showing up in mock drafts in like 1995.
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Nov 8, 2014 15:50
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How is someone named LeBryan Nash not a successful basketball player? He sounds like he was conjured up in a lab only to play basketball.
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Nov 8, 2014 19:18
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MourningView I remember what you said about Cliff and his dedication to doing nothing but dunking and blocking everything he can as hard as he can. I have to disa- https://vine.co/v/Oijn5jMThun nope that's spot-on.
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Nov 13, 2014 01:40
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Needs more dunks.
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Nov 13, 2014 02:31
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Probably Magic posted:Needs more dunks. Needs less Emporia State
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Nov 13, 2014 06:30
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As the sixers now seem to be a lock lock for a top 3: requesting scouting reports on: 1. Jahlil Okafor, C, Duke 2. Karl Towns, PF, Kentucky 3. Mario Hezonja, SG, Barca
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Nov 19, 2014 15:44
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Also why wouldn't the sixers draft Okafor. They could play Embiid, Noel, and Okafor all at 4 and 5 and give them all 32 mins a night.
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Nov 19, 2014 15:51
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Man the college season is like three games old and no one here is going to tell you anything about a Euro player that you wouldn't get from googling the dude and looking at his draft express page. So far Okafor looks pretty much as advertised. He's the most polished back to the basket offensive center prospect since....I dunno. It's been a long time. Maybe boogie but Okafor is farther along when it comes to footwork and stuff than Cousins was at this point. He's missed like 5 shots in three games because there is no one in college who can handle someone that big with that kind of skill level in the post. He has flaws (good but not otherworldly athlete, so so defender) but he's the early favorite for college player of the year and hasn't done anything to hurt his status as the top prospect. Towns is huge and a really smooth looking athlete for his size, but he looks like most big guys who come into college being praised for their perimeter game. He'll show flashes but in general it's really raw right now. At the moment he's good at the things that most guys who are really long and athletic are good at: offensive rebounding and blocking shots. That said, it's early and he's not in a good position to showcase himself. UK is absurdly loaded with big guys, and they're doing a dumb hockey line change substitution pattern that makes it hard for anyone to stand out.
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euphronius posted:Also why wouldn't the sixers draft Okafor. They could play Embiid, Noel, and Okafor all at 4 and 5 and give them all 32 mins a night. They have terrible players everywhere so drafting nothing but centers isn't really ideal. And maybe they really like Mudiay, who is currently destroying china, whatever the gently caress that is supposed to mean. I don't think playing Okafor at the 4 is a good idea defensively either.
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Mario Hezonja (Born the Same Year That Se7en Came Out/Barca) SG/SF/PG, 6'8, 200 lbs. Pros: Fast, sees the court well, best friends with Dario Saric so if the Sixers draft him that poo poo's gonna be adorable, can ~*~*~*create his own shot*~*~*~, frame could easily add more weight, excellent passer, fits in the Dwyane Wade/Joe Johnson "do it all" mold which is pretty cool, potentially a very good defender, gifted passer, can shoot the lights out Cons: Dumb as rocks. Terrible shot selection. Terminal case of chicken legs. Also fits in the Dwyane Wade/Joe Johnson mold of "bitching to the refs a lot". Offense primarily relies on isolations at this stage. Only plays at a breakneck pace which amplifies that whole "dumb" thing. Givony says he has bad intangibles but whatever who gives a poo poo if he's "aloof" so is every other European player that isn't Ricky Rubio. Projection: Top 3 Don Van Vliet album that best summarizes his potential: Trout Mask Replica Jahlil Okafor (Fr/Duke) C/PF, 6'11, 272 lbs. Pros: The latest in a grand tradition of pro-ready Okafors, body already appears to be ready for the NBA, decent athlete, allegedly well-spoken which means he will be a darling of sportswriters and crotchety old men everywhere, great hands, already has more post moves than half the centers starting in the NBA, footwork is good, strong, very gifted as a rebounder, excellent finisher, draws fouls at a very good rate Cons: Looks like a melting Tim Duncan. Doesn't really pass much. Pretty boring as a prospect and as a person. Projection: Top 3 Don Van Vliet album that best summarizes his potential: Safe as Milk Karl Towns (Fr/Kentucky) PF, 7'0, 248 lbs. Pros: Crazy long (7'4 wingspan, 9'5 standing reach), max vert of 37" holy poo poo, good dunkman, rebounds very well, has range out to about 20 feet, actually has offensive skills, oh man he's gonna block so many loving shots dude, appears to be a very willing passer Cons: Dominican, and therefore not trustworthy. That vert is almost definitely a Cody Zeller-type situation where there's no way he'll ever actually use it. Not as aggressive going inside as he should be. Range stops at 20 feet and goes no further. Projection: Top 3 Don Van Vliet album that best summarizes his potential: Bat Chain Puller
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