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Marbury had a bunch of seasons when he came close.
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Apr 14, 2015 21:27
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Metapod posted:i highly doubt anyone could have predicted what the salary was going to do what it is doing Everyone knew the next media deal was going to drastically increase, but for a while it looked like there would be cap smoothing.
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Apr 18, 2015 17:31
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Maybe it's just more Euros/overseas players but it feels like people are higher on the top-10 or so in this draft, or at least don't have much clue about it
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May 19, 2015 21:43
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Metapod posted:Any chance Devin booker falls to okc? Charlotte interviewed him and Chad Ford said they were interested during his chat today, so maybe not. They could use the shooting.
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May 20, 2015 02:08
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GhostOfMagellan posted:Is draftexpress typically very accurate? I've only recently been interested in the draft and I will be very upset if the Jazz select Wisconsin Basketball Man Frank Kaminsky Usually, but they get better as it gets closer to the draft. In this case it's fate, though.
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May 20, 2015 03:43
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Any thoughts on Oubre offensively? All I've read on the wings in the mid-to late-lottery sound like defensive-potential, we-have-no-idea-on-offense guys that would probably be bad fits next to MKG. I'd rather they just take the BPA, but I'm guessing the Hornets just hope Hezonja falls or reach on Booker.
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May 26, 2015 18:24
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MourningView posted:Oubre has a nice looking jumper but can run kinda hot and cold. He's a really bad ball handler at this point (you could chop his right hand off and I'm not sure he'd notice) and doesn't ever look to set anyone else up. He is super athletic and long so though, so he has some potential, and he became a good defender by the end of the year. I hate the lazy comparisons to other guys who played the same position at the same school but he actually kinda is like a very poor man's Wiggins. Of all the wings clumped in that late lottery area he is the highest ceiling and the lowest floor. Thanks. In the abstract it feels like there are a few guys worth gambling on in that spot, but Charlotte making the playoffs last year has everyone's expectations out of whack. I'd be fine running out wild-rear end Kemba/Oubre/MKG/Vonleh/Zeller lineups and losing a lot of games but I don't think ownership or the fanbase has a taste for it.
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May 26, 2015 18:45
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Hornets and Pacers are also apparently interested in him, according to Ford.
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May 28, 2015 22:27
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No. 9 and Lance for No. 4 and Bargnani is way too much to hope for but Charlotte is due to be on the winning end of a stupid New York team trade at some point
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Jun 1, 2015 04:04
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Bargnani is expiring I think? Ah, you're right. Calderon, then. I'm not picky.
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Jun 1, 2015 04:15
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Who is Jordan Clarkson
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Jun 4, 2015 02:55
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Would love Payne making a big jump if it means one of Winslow, Porzingis or Hezonja is going to be sitting at 9
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Jun 7, 2015 03:37
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SI's new mock has WCS falling to 12 and the Hornets taking Kaminsky so I'm happy to ignore it
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Jun 10, 2015 17:27
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Mudiay feels like the guy for the Knicks considering how Phil has been talking about penetration and poo-pooing three-point shooting recently. (Assuming they don't get lucky.)
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Jun 10, 2015 17:36
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Rick posted:For Wings: This is probably why Devin Booker is shooting up the boards
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Jun 10, 2015 22:31
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I thought he was good at defense now, or at least numbers that made it look like he was good at defense now
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Jun 11, 2015 21:56
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Redgrendel2001 posted:There's a lot of talk about Devin Booker basically being locked in to the Hornets pick now that Lance has left the building. Feels like that's been the case for a while, unless Hezonja falls. Ford is also reporting they might trade down for RJ Hunter.
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Jun 16, 2015 23:54
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For what it's worth, DX also has him going third.
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Jun 17, 2015 23:21
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Lockback posted:All these guys who were ballers with no shot to make it because of their size were given major doses of HGH in their teens by unscrupulous doctors to get these growth spurts, right? I know people do sometimes grow 7 inches at 16 or whatever, but it seems to happen to basketball players a lot. If you're 6'7" or taller you probably had a big growth spurt at some point
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Jun 18, 2015 16:19
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Jota posted:D'Angelo Russell supposedly was great in his workout with the Sixers. Lot of mock drafts have the Sixers taking Porzingis but beat guys still saying Russell is the pick if he's there which makes me happy. The Porzingis stuff does sound like a smokescreen, and it wouldn't make sense for Knicks fans to end up too happy. The draft's one week away — any guesses who the big risers and fallers are going to be at this point? I think Booker ends up going higher than expected and Winslow dips a bit.
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Jun 18, 2015 16:47
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WhyteRyce posted:I'm kind of surprised there isn't more buzz about Winslow. He's from Duke, is a Winner, has good athletic ability, and is in the mold of the in-style Kwahi/Jimmy Bucks type player. I think people are gunshy at this point about taking an NBA wing that had most of his success in college at PF.
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Jun 18, 2015 16:58
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I'd do it if it was restricted to the top 10 or 15.
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Jun 18, 2015 18:18
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Hezonja sounds like an awesome shitheadquote:Hezonja was asked earlier this year if he went to go see soccer legend Lionel Messi play for FC Barcelona. He responded: "Let Messi come to see me." quote:"Respect? No, I never had respect to anybody on a basketball court," Hezonja told Sportando. "I heard about, ‘If they smell blood, you get eaten.' I'm not like that. I don't care. Whether it's a veteran or a young player standing in front of me I always have the same goal. I want to run over everybody."
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Jun 18, 2015 22:02
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Reading a little more about Hezonja and I can already tell that he's going to be one of my favorite players, whether he's great or (possibly better) completely terrible. I just hope coming to America doesn't humble him at all, I want "LeBron James, feh, he is dirt beneath my boots" and the throat-slash gesture
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Jun 19, 2015 06:10
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This year's Tiers article from Chad Ford is up. He polls GMs/scouts and groups roughly equivalent prospects. Towns is the only guy people are sold on as a potential elite/top-10 NBA player.
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Jun 19, 2015 17:31
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EvanTH posted:can you C&P the thing for non-insider-havers? I kinda wanna read them tiers. Consensus is a word that should be used carefully when you talk about the NBA draft. Occasionally a prospect emerges who is so clearly better than anyone else in the draft (see Anthony Davis in 2012, Blake Griffin in 2009, LeBron James in 2003, Yao Ming in 2002, Tim Duncan in 1997, Shaquille O'Neal in 1992), but more often, if you put 10 GMs into a room and ask them who the best player in the draft is, you'll get three or four answers. The debates get louder and more diverse as you move further down the draft. This year is no exception. With less than a week to go before the draft, the Minnesota Timberwolves are debating whom to take at No. 1 -- Karl-Anthony Towns, Jahlil Okafor or D'Angelo Russell. If the Wolves, who employ dozens of full-time pros who work at this all year, can't figure it out, how can we create a consensus ranking? We want to believe that there's a Big Board in the sky that knows all. It doesn't exist. Reasonable minds can differ on prospects, and as much as we all love ranking players 1-100, it's not the best or most preferred way to do it. This year, five players have a case to be picked No. 1 -- Towns, Okafor, Russell, Emmanuel Mudiay and Kristaps Porzingis. Whom do you choose to draft? And how? NBA teams watch prospects play thousands of hours of games. They go to practice and camps. Hire guys from MIT to create statistical solutions. Work out players, give them psychological tests, do background checks and conduct personal interviews. And, still, there is very little consensus. Factor in the debate between taking the best player available and which player a team needs most, and the situation further muddies itself. To make sense of all this, the past few years I've chronicled a draft ranking system called the tier system, which several teams employ. By this method, teams group players into tiers based on overall talent, then rank the players in each tier based on team need. A more detailed explanation of how the system works can be found here. So how do things break down? After I talked to several GMs and scouts whose teams employ this system, here is how the tiers look this year. Players are listed alphabetically in each tier. Tier 1 Karl-Anthony Towns, F/C, Kentucky Note: Ahead of last year's draft, we had three players in this category: Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker. This category usually is reserved for guys who are sure-fire All-Stars/franchise players. Just three other players since we started this column in 2009 -- Griffin, John Wall and Davis -- have been ranked in this slot. You have to be elite to get here. This year was one of the toughest yet. Five players were nominated for Tier 1 by various teams. However, only one player was consistently mentioned by all of them: Towns. While some teams don't see major separation between him and the players in Tier 2, others feel there's a gap and he's the only one in the draft who has the potential to be a franchise, top 10 player in the league guy. Tier 2 Emmanuel Mudiay, PG, Congo Jahlil Okafor, C, Duke Kristaps Porzingis, F/C, Latvia D'Angelo Russell, G, Ohio State Note: This is a very strong Tier 2. Mudiay, Okafor, Porzinigs and Russell all have a claim to the No. 1 pick. In fact, Okafor was the favorite to be the No. 1 pick since July and several teams put Russell on par with Towns. Both received votes for Tier 1, but not enough to move them up. Tier 2 is reserved for players with All-Star potential. However, each player on the list has a weakness that some teams feel will keep them from being a superstar. For Mudiay it's shooting. For Okafor and Russell, it's athleticism and defense. For Porzingis, it's a thin body and questionable position. Nevertheless, all four have strengths that should propel them to an All-Star game at some point in their careers. One fun note: Last year we did the column before Porzingis had withdrawn from the draft. He was regarded as a Tier 4 prospect last year. So he's jumped up two tiers. Tier 3 Willie Cauley-Stein, F/C, Kentucky Mario Hezonja, G/F, Croatia Justise Winslow, G/F, Duke Note: This is a very strong Tier 3, as well. Both Hezonja and Winslow received Tier 2 votes from teams. However, both fell just short of the cut. This tier usually is reserved for players who are projected as NBA starters in their careers. All three of these players should be gone in the Top 10. Hezonja, especially, has some star appeal, as well. Having eight players in the first three tiers makes for a very strong draft, but not quite as strong as the 2014 draft that had 12 players in the first three tiers. Tier 4 Devin Booker, SG, Kentucky Sam Dekker, F, Wisconsin Jerian Grant, G, Notre Dame Stanley Johnson, G/F, Arizona Frank Kaminsky, F/C, Wisconsin Kevon Looney, F, UCLA Trey Lyles, PF, Kentucky Kelly Oubre, G/F, Kansas Cameron Payne, PG, Murray State Bobby Portis, PF, Arkanas Myles Turner, F/C, Texas Note: Tier 4 typically is late-lottery to mid first-round selections in a normal draft -- selections 10-20. This year that tier is roughly 9-19 on our Big Board. Lots of talented players in this tier who project to be starters or high-level rotation players. Here, even the consensus in tiers starts to break down. Guys really are all over the place. Booker, Kaminsky, Lyles and Turner got a small number of votes for Tier 3. Payne got a Tier 3 vote, as well. But the majority of teams had them ranked in Tier 4. Oubre, Grant and Looney had some Tier 5 votes, but the majority of their votes were in Tier 4. Tier 5 Justin Anderson, SG, Virginia Montrezl Harrell, PF, Louisville Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, G/F, Arizona R.J. Hunter, SG, Georgia State Tyus Jones, PG, Duke Terry Rozier, G, Louisville Rashad Vaughn, SG, UNLV Delon Wright, PG, Utah Note: This next group is one of the smaller Tier 5s we've had and shows the drop off in talent as we get into the 20s. By pick 25 or so, teams are really struggling to come up with players that they think can make the league. This area of the draft is typically reserved for rotation players. Players who are unlikely to start for good teams, but could become solid role players off the bench. A few teams had Hollis-Jefferson, Hunter, Jones and Vaughn in Tier 4, but not quite enough for them to make the cut. Rozier, Harrell and Wright got a few Tier 6 votes. Tier 6 Cliff Alexander, PF, Kansas Anthony Brown, SG, Stanford Rakeem Christmas, F/C, Syracuse Dakari Johnson, C, Kentucky Olivier Hanlan, G, Boston College Guillermo Hernangomez, C, Spain Jarell Martin, PF,LSU Chris McCullough, F, Syracuse Cedi Osman, F, Turkey Robert Upshaw, C, Washington Christian Wood, PF, UNLV Joseph Young, G, Oregon Note: This tier has the players that at least one team told me they had ranked in their Top 30. A few - Brown, Martin and McCullough - got Tier 5 votes. The rest are likely second-round picks. This list is typically quite a bit longer. Again, the talent of the draft drops off a cliff as we get into these tiers. As strong as it is at the top, it's much weaker at the bottom. Like every draft system, the tier system isn't perfect. But the teams that run it have found success with it. It has allowed them to get help through the draft without overreaching. Compared to traditional top-30 lists or mock drafts, it seems like a much more precise tool of gauging which players a team should draft.
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Jun 19, 2015 17:46
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Bashez posted:What was Russell so garbage at that he had a lower overall eFG despite being better at this other stuff. I'm assuming he can't hit a layup? Curry took over 100 more threes, which probably helps
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Jun 21, 2015 20:39
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Ty1990 posted:Is the Lakers top 3 protected pick next season and the Thunder top 15 protected pick next season for, say, Sacramento's #6 pick (or Denver or Detroit's pick...somewhere in that range) totally unrealistic? Yeah, probably
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Jun 22, 2015 00:02
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Fast Luck posted:And, while I read in some youtube comments on a D'Angelo Russell highlight vid the following: quote:Told 70-30 they'd take him on Friday. Up to 80-20 today. I see we've entered the draft coverage end game
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Jun 22, 2015 19:08
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MourningView posted:I cannot stress enough how funny it is to talk to Laker fans about free agents. They end up being right often enough, though I guess you can always hold out hope the last few years have just been the start of a long Knicksian descent
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Jun 22, 2015 19:33
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I love the draftquote:That’s why one of the topics of discussion at the Knicks meeting was bucking conventional wisdom, passing on guards D’Angelo Russell and/or Emmanuel Mudiay and taking Kaminsky — whose versatility makes him a natural fit in the triangle offense — with the fourth overall pick, two league sources told Sporting News. If they do pass on the two guards expected to be on the board, the Knicks are also considering Willie Cauley-Stein and Justise WInslow with the No. 4 pick, though Cauley-Stein appears to be slipping. quote:“He’s a coach’s dream, he’s a dessert,” NBA scouting director Ryan Blake said.
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Jun 22, 2015 19:56
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Dejan Bimble posted:My prefence is Hezonja, Booker, Johnson, Lyles, then Dekker. I'd pick WCS if he was there, but I don't know about his medical issues. Booker seems like such a natural fit for Detroit I'm surprised he isn't mocked there more often.
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Jun 23, 2015 04:57
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People pushing for RJ Hunter over Devin Booker are probably wrong, right?
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Jun 23, 2015 17:44
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It's honestly kind of amazing how often the Celtics front office leaks stuff
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Jun 24, 2015 16:39
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wangvicous posted:#3 might be the worst pick to have in this draft. I would argue that it's #60
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Jun 24, 2015 16:48
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Besides, No. 2 is the cursed spot you really want to avoid
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Jun 24, 2015 16:59
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euphronius posted:Durant should have been 1 too. It really is cursed. Well, that and the Sonics no longer exist.
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Jun 24, 2015 17:34
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euphronius posted:I have never, ever heard of Steve Stipanovich. On the evening of December 27, 1980, Stipanovich accidentally discharged a loaded firearm, hitting himself in the shoulder. He initially told police that a masked intruder, wearing cowboy boots and a flannel shirt broke into his apartment on Sunrise Drive in Columbia, Missouri, and shot him while screaming obscenities about basketball players. The next day, Stipanovich recanted the story and admitted that he shot himself by accident.
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I remember Minny desperately trying to unload the No. 2 pick because Derrick Williams sat in this weird spot where he was the clear consensus guy that everybody also hated. A really good capper to that Beasley, Thabeet, Turner run
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