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HERE IS ATOMIC THUMBS' HORNIO-MINUS-PORNIO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfZc4cYzylM Here are the links to the pre-existing rips of this cinema gem: PART 1: https://mega.co.nz/#!HF5VEZAD!bp0n-MzRuRGV58YLqDarqcM7saYBxjVXYFIiR-ejfCs PART 2: https://mega.co.nz/#!fkg0wKST!eaaLpRfvb_15kMaBCDUqA6aYlFYuc7zg10W_AT_47bE One last piece remains (for this phase at least), as Atomic Thumbs making-of video nears completion. STAY TUNED FOR MORE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN... -V- UPDATE 1 (11/1/14): High resolution scans of cover and back cover uploaded. -VV- UPDATE 2 (11/22/14): Poster Atomic Thumbs' tape restoration and documentation has begun, poster Scinon's cleaned up cover added, letter drafted to Erotic Heritage Museum in Paradise NV on recommendation of poster Pubic Lair. -VVV- UPDATE 3 (12/1/14): Digitized copies of SHB 1 and 2 provided by poster Samuel L. ACKSYN. Phase 2, critical review, begins ahead of schedule. Restoration from original tape continues, scheduled completion Dec 25. -VVVV- UPDATE 4 (12/5/14): Poster Slomomofo assembles court records pertinent to Universal Studios V Nintendo, a landmark and suspiciously pertinent copyright case from 1984. -VVVVV-UPDATE 5 (12/23/14: Poster Super Mario Batali (no poo poo) provides higher quality copy from DVD edition of Super Hornio Bros 2. -VVVVVV-UPDATE 6 (12/25/14): Atomic Thumbs barely made his deadline but was banned on a technicality- turns out the tape wasn't actually Super Hornio Bros 1 at all! It was Super Hornio Bros 2 in SHB1's packaging... ORIGINAL POST: A friend and I found this in a home video clearance store in Aurora Colorado, around 2010 or 2011 I think. I had already been working for SA for a little while and was studying film history at Regis in Denver, turning early drafts of big papers into megathreads in Cinema Discusso to fine tune them off the forum responses and such. Well, much more often I'd just troll around looking for thesis ideas and pissing off Professor Clumsy to be honest, but anyway; my friend and I being nerdy film goons both recognized this thing for what it was and bought it without hesitation.    Super Hornio Brothers on VHS, in the original (albeit worn) packaging, with rental stickers and all. Purchased nice and legal from a licensed store that amassed retired rental tapes and DVDs, pornos and instructional videos and knock-off cartoons alike, and sold them by the pound with little or no concern for what it was they were selling. I found a lot of stuff over 2 years of skimming that place but nothing else compares to this. It plays. All of it. Yes I have watched the whole thing. Educational purposes, just like the FBI says. After a THOROUGH. CLEANING. I want to repeat that, THOROUGH. CLEANING. I put the tape away safely on my shelf and immediately began a long campaign of failing to think of what to do with it. I mean what DO you do with it? The friend who found it with me held on to it for a while, but it came back to me like a bottle imp. I thought of doing a contest, get the forums to write papers or photoshop or... something to win it as a prize. But it just sat there, in a box with all my other gradschool crap. A haunted relic, forgotten until I recently began the push towards doctoral studies. I feel like this matter needs to be resolved first, somehow. Unfinished academic business. I feel strongly, some might say obsessively strongly about the need to preserve media history. I'm obnoxiously socialist about art, art history, education, the whole bag: a pinko troll film-nerd writerly type. Y'all have probably dealt with the likes before. I believe that pornography is an art form with a fantastic and humanistic history, that it's a consistent leader and definer in every new medium of art, that the valid study of pornography bla bla bla etc et al. Or, in painfully oversimplified quote-macro terms:  So the bottom line is no-way-no-how am I letting this tape be destroyed. Not by lawyers, not by neglect, not by me. So... how do I do that? How do I preserve this too-weird-to-live historic artifact? I'm not interested in profit, and although I feel confident about the legal protections my education provides me personally I remind everyone that this forum does have ground rules re: discussion of digital media proliferation. So post carefully. Be my peer review one more time, SomethingAwful forums: what is the proper historically-minded thing to do with a highly rare VHS porno tape all copies of which, from my understanding, were ordered destroyed? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UPDATE 1 (11/1/14) As requested, here are some big scans of the cover and back cover. I got them as clean as I could but at this resolution the battle damage is pretty noticeable in places. The thumbs lead to big jpgs but the links go to ridiculous 45 mb PNGs for Phriday phodder, should you want it. Front cover -v-  (NSFW)http://www.mediafire.com/view/ctes9fsu3np75bp/SHB1frontcoverHighRez.png Back cover -v-  (NSFW)http://www.mediafire.com/view/yr982pc50s8wo3n/SHB1backcoverHighRez.png - - UPDATE 2 (11/22/14) Atomic Thumbs' preservation efforts of the tape are underway- meanwhile Scinon has provided a cleaned up version of the high-rez cover:  (NSFW)http://www.filedropper.com/shb1frontcoverhighrezclean Also, the following letter has been sent on recommendation of the aptly named Pubic Lair to the Erotic Heritage Museum in Nevada: To the curators of Harry Mohney's Erotic Heritage Museum in Paradise, NV My name is Ian Helm, I am a film history scholar and independent filmmaker from northern Colorado. In the course of my studies I have arrived in the possession of a historic artifact that I believe may be of interest to your institution. If so, I would like very much to permanently donate this artifact to your expert care on behalf of myself and my fellow preservationists at Somethingawful.com. The item in question is a rare VHS copy of the 1993 adult film "Super Hornio Brothers", a pornographic parody directed by the late Buck Adams and released by Midnight Video. Although a parody of a popular franchise and starring several legends of the adult entertainment industry including Don Fernando and Ron Jeremy, the rights to Super Hornio Brothers and its sequel Super Hornio Brothers II were bought by Nintendo Co, Ltd. to halt their distribution (and, according to popular legend, to be destroyed). As such, copies of both films have become exceptionally rare in the 21 years since their initial release. In 2008, following the lead of contributing editor Zack Parsons, the Somethingawful.com forums began searching for copies of both films to review for posterity. In 2009 they found partial success in the form of a digital bootleg of Super Hornio Brothers II, which Mr. Parsons reviewed. Since 2009, various partial or poor-quality digital copies of both Super Hornio Brothers films have surfaced online, however official copies of either film remained elusive despite great effort to find them. This changed in 2011, when I and a fellow film researcher discovered a used VHS copy of Super Hornio Brothers for sale in Aurora, Colorado by a vendor dealing in defunct video rental store collections. Since then it has remained in archival storage, contained in its original packaging and in playable condition. Now in 2014 it is, to the best of my and my fellows' knowledge, the only official VHS copy of the film to have been verified still in existence. Currently the tape is in California being digitized and remastered as part of a fair-use educational review project, but once this process is complete the ultimate fate of the original tape is uncertain. After opening the community forums to suggestions, the preservationists at Somethingawful.com have agreed that your institution is the most appropriate recipient, and as such would like to permanently donate the tape to your care in gratuity. It is my academic opinion that this artifact is of great historic import as one of the earliest known popular examples of an adult film parody of an electronic game. As such it is a predecessor to an enormous field of modern erotica, and worthy of preservation and study. If the Erotic Heritage Museum agrees the donation can be made as early as January 2015. Please let me know if there is any additional information I may provide that could help in your decision. Thank you for your time. -Ian Helm, M.A. Boulder, CO - - - Update 3 (12/1/14) Forums user Samuel L. ACKSYN has provided us with a link to earlier rips of Super Hornio Brothers 1 and 2: SHB1 (NSFW)- https://mega.co.nz/#!HF5VEZAD!bp0n-MzRuRGV58YLqDarqcM7saYBxjVXYFIiR-ejfCs SHB2 (NSFW)- https://mega.co.nz/#!aMxxmRSL!BvP_WLGJVUNHcQSzk32JLVusQShaJHMcdVBTkyU-Yjw This begins phase 2 of the project earlier than expected, which is nice, it gives us more time. Phase 2 involves essay-writing. I will be attempting to reach various critics and experts to weigh in on the subject of the film, but anyone here who's interested in participating please do. Just watch Samuel L. Acksyn's links and write at least 300 words about the historical relevance of Super Hornio Brothers. Good subjects include (but are not limited to) the series' relationship to: -Contemporary trends in pornography vis-à-vis parody or specifically video game parody -Fair-use nature of parody, and Nintendo Co., Ltd.'s attempts (successful or failed) at censorship. -The filmographies of Buck Adams, Ron Jeremy, Krysti Lynn, Don Fernando et al. - - - - Update 4 (12/5/14) During the course of discussion, Nintendo Co. Ltd's court record has now come into question, specifically the details of a ruling in 1984 stating that Donkey Kong and King Kong are distinctly different characters due primarily to the differing trait of sexuality vs nonsexuality . This calls into question the methods by which Nintendo sought the removal of Super Hornio Brothers I and II from release, since they themselves sought the decision. It's a crazy story, up to and including the part where Nintendo's Kirby gets his name. Poster Slomomofo has assembled the actual court records for us, along with a list of citations: slomomofo posted:Part 1: "This is a dispute over two gorillas." (578 F.Supp. 911 S.D.N.Y. (1983)) - this is the initial district court decision. - - - - - Update 5 (12/23/14) Poster Super Mario Batali provides a DVD rip of Super Hornio Bros 2- https://mega.co.nz/#!fkg0wKST!eaaLpRfvb_15kMaBCDUqA6aYlFYuc7zg10W_AT_47bE With a day and a half left until Xmas Atomic Thumbs is sick and may be toxxed. It's too late to turn back now. Happy holidays everybody! - - - - - - Update 6 (12/25/14) What a ride. Atomic Thumbs and Juicebox Hero are both banned, the tape turns out to have been mislabeled and both AT and BoldFrankensteinMir missed it, and Atomic Thumbs' making-of documentary remains to be seen. 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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Yes, do this. Is it This is exactly why I'm here, to figure out if this kind of thing can be done above the board, in the name of academia. If distributing it turns out to be okay, then we cross the issue of how to host hardcore pornography too. Lots of considerations here.
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Okay, so let's assume until told otherwise that we're in the clear to capture and distribute this. 1- How do I best capture from VHS? 2- Where do I host the file?
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brave nazi aviator posted:In terms of preserving the physical artifact; that is, the original tape and packaging: there are a number of for-profit sex/pornography museums (e.g. in Vegas) that would probably be interested in buying it and putting it (the tape, not the movie) on permanent display. That's a great idea. I totally intend to rip this and post it, I was just concerned about opening up with that, protocol n' such. But what happens to the tape itself is just as important to me, and a pornography museum is a great idea. If there are multiple pornography museums, we should find the right pornography museum. The one with the most... class, I guess? Rusty Staub posted:Betamax-Porn-Box Guy checking in. I also have the means by which to lovingly digitize it, if that's what you end up wanting to do. I would like to do this very much, but had intended to do it myself if it wasn't too expensive. I have some other tapes I'd like to transfer too eventually, if it's economical. However if it comes to it then yes, absolutely, I would love your help. What kind of equipment do you use for this? Could you make a rough estimate on the cost of a simple set-up, something I could set up at home? Ion Helmet posted:...what are your favorite video games?. I'm probably not going to give the tape away as a prize, unless it's for a "why I'm the best person to take care of this porno tape" essay contest. Then... maybe. Earthbound, Grim Fandango, LoZ: Windwaker, ES: Morrowind, Kingdom Of Loathing, Little Big Planet, Portal 2, Fallout:NV and Minecraft. WilltheMagicAsian posted:it was called double dick panic in Japan
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If this has already been ripped then great, it saves me the trouble. But there seems to be some confusion, especially since the sequel recycles a lot of footage from the original, as to which one is available and which one isn't. The tape is also in excellent shape so it may provide a better transfer than is currently available.
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enziarro posted:mail it to Rusty to rip it the right way and then put it on loan to that vegas porno museum if they'll take it brave nazi aviator posted:i seriously doubt a porn museum is going to want to deal with a semi-permanent loan for a single vhs tape. i mean it's a somewhat rare and interesting pop-culture artifact but I doubt it's worth more than a couple hundred dollars and it's not really something you would build a whole exhibit around. I really think that you'd be better off selling or donating it outright- if they're interested, of course Bingo. I'm fine making a permanent donation to the right place. I never expected a whole exhibit for just this, but porno-parodies could totally work as an exhibit. This artifact would fit in well with Tijuana bibles and Little Annie Fanny comics, have a screen in a discreet place showing the excellent making-of from the DVD of Will Ryder's Not Married With Children XXX. It's fertile ground that's currently relevant. Rusty, I don't have PM or nothing, how do you want to exchange your address? Also, is there any concern in how I mail this? I have no idea if its safe to mail magnetic tape anymore. While we sort that out I'll do a high-rez scan of the packaging and then seal it all back up again. I'll post that on photobucket for a while, but we need to figure out where we're gonna host the big film file that Rusty produces. Where's the right place to host long-form porn? I will start writing my appeal to museums- I like the Vegas museum but I am also still open to alternate solutions. They may not be interested, after all. It would be helpful if there were any fancy learn-ed papers-carryin' film goons that would be willing to write reviews and/or dissertations of Super Hornio Bros once the file is posted- I know Zack Parsons' review of the fragments had at the time was excellent and well received. Perhaps the Crazy 8s could add to it, get an obvious crass laugh from "Coming Attractions", and the forums together could submit a body of study on the tape to the museum along with the submission. Do it all proper like.
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I'm gonna have to get a VCR to confirm, I'll look into that this weekend. Ugh, I'm gonna get to watch it again, yaay. That... voice... it does not leave you...
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-^^^- OP has been updated to include high-resolution scans of the cover and back cover.-^^^- Hello, Atomic Thumbs, your reputation precedes you. Much obliged to Rusty Staub for the offer of help, but at this point it seems like we may already have a copy of the film available online, so all that's left is to get the cleanest copy possible digitized and uploaded. Mr. Thumbs, thank you very much, I believe you are precisely the man for the job at hand (err, thumbs) now. If you would send your snailmail address and any other instructions to ian at fusedmuse dot com I will send the tape to you promptly. Whether there is or isn't previously unseen footage awaits to be seen, but either way we'll have done our part for film preservation. Feel free to document the process as much or as little as you want, this thread is precisely for that purpose. As for the tape's fate after we scan it, after some review, I think Public Lair has it right with the Erotic Heritage Museum in Paradise, Nevada. I called them but the guy who answered had no additional info beyond the website, so I'm crafting a letter now addressed to the curators. I am open to suggestions- what do I say to convince them this item is worthy of historic preservation? How do I present what we know of its history thus far? What DO we know of the history thus far? Yeeha, researchin' time! 
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The tape has been sent.Windows 98 posted:What's worse OP, knowing that as soon as this is uploaded hundreds of fat nerds will have their hand on their cocks at the same time, or the fear of being hunted down and sued for every penny you have by Nintendo since they own the rights now? I would be very excited if they sued me over this. An opportunity to set a precedent like that would be great for my career. As for fat nerds mashing their junk to Mario: the number of nintendo-centric, vaguely sexual self-gratification rituals going on right now is already beyond calculable. This addition will be statistically insignificant.
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Once this project is done I will gladly write a treatment for the Metroid porno from forum notes. But one holy crusade at a time.
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Does anybody have any leads on the people that ripped Hornio Brothers 2? If it's possible to get both tapes for the donation it'd be even better.
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Scinon posted:
Excellent, thank you very much. I'll add this to the next OP update, when we have the results (and possibly making-of) from Atomic Thumbs.
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Everybody calm down, please. Atomic Thumbs has been nice enough to volunteer his time for this project, he can do it however he likes, and for the record I am also interested in seeing the process. Patience. Real porno-archeology isn't glamorous like in the movies, it's a painstaking dedication.
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I like the pink turban and what appears to be a basket and flute, I imagine to suggest a charmed snake. Those are clever pieces of business for an auto-fellatio shoot.
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I was aware that GBS was supposed to be work-safe, which is why I originally posted this in Cinema Discusso, but apparently that was not the place either. For future reference, where SHOULD a thread like this go? And yes, insert  joke here.
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King Vidiot posted:This gif made me nervous because I keep waiting for the sledgehammer to come down. I... will admit this crossed my mind too. But I choose to have faith, because even if Atomic Thumbs does turn out to be an ultra-patient troll then at least this thread will become monumentally epic. So there's that. Also because then MY documentary becomes the one where me and John Waters hunt him down and make him remake the lost film shot-by-shot.
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-^^^^^- OP has been updated to include Scinon's cleaned cover, as well as my letter to the Erotic Heritage Museum requesting the donation of the tape. Edit- I swear I have never used my stupid degree letters after my name before and it feels so, so wrong to do so, but we need every chance we can get here to sound professional (just in case they actually read the front page before deciding to take care of our old porno.) BoldFrankensteinMir fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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Wandle Shaytham posted:It bugs me that existence is spelled wrong in the letter. Thanks, I missed that. I'm pretty sure I caught it in the version I sent though, I spell-checked it in the browser.
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Juice Box Hero posted:All this precious bullshit is dumb and whenever, if ever, this video is finally loving uploaded there is not a chance that it will have warranted the ridiculously delicate treatment it's receiving. Hey, welcome to your very first message board! It's an exciting day in any boy's life.
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Gosh I've missed this place. It's been a dog's age since I've been toxxed. I'm a huge media nerd. I've spent 10 years in school studying it and I'm heading back for more, and I saved this tape for some resume building when I had the resources and could find the contacts. Now I have the resources and the contact, and even this awesome museum bit that I never would have thought of without the help of y'all. As it turns out the guy who curates that museum in Nevada, I looked him up, a letter of recommendation from him might actually mean something. poo poo like this is how you get attention when you're vying for scholarships and grants. In return for his obviously valuable help Atomic Thumbs wants to make a cool film. I'm all about it. I'm woefully behind doing some titles for it in fact, behind because I got sick, if you must know, and I'm sure his end of our volunteer initiative is just as hectic. That's how you do this poo poo in our business, you help eachother out for free and scrape by on what gear you can assemble, so everybody at least gets some portfolio fodder and you practiced the artform you chose and you make more contacts, it's exausting but awesome (exauwesome?) Keep your pants on at LEAST as long as it takes the pornography to arrive gentlemen, that is just basic manners. Thank you.
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Here, here's something shiny to distract and calm you if the thought of sex video has overexcited you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FXh_bdw0cI This was my gradschool thesis. It took 3 years to make, more than 20 shootdates all in blackbox with a crew of more than 10 people who very, VERY generously donated their time again and again and again. Three years of weekends and late nights, building props and costumes in living rooms and on porches, shooting in the back of the old studio where they shot Perry Mason. Everybody donating their time and being patient. That is how independent filmmaking works when you aren't spending a trust fund on it one duffel-bag of coke at a time.
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enziarro posted:don't know how we got here from Mario penis Oh god, me neither. But it's way too late to turn back now. Edit- 
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freelop posted:BoldFrankensteinMir can you try emailing Nintendo and try to buy back the rights so you can publish the film, atomicthumbs' making of and this thread on DVD? I seriously thought about reaching out to Nintendo but eventually I figured this is not something they'd recognize for the opportunity it is. If they contact me I'll be glad to let them become involved, that in itself could make for a feature film's worth of content. As for rights we don't need any, this is for academic purposes, fair use. Everything relevant to this preservation effort will be freely distributed to everyone.
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Smoremaster posted:Well he did say this has only been his hobby for a couple of months, but is also somehow the leading expert on VHS digitization Passion is worth a lot more than experience. A weirdly fitting lesson to take from a thread about video game porn...
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Huntersoninski posted:But no amount of passion makes up for not knowing what the gently caress you are doing. Could not disagree more, but it doesn't matter. Atomic Thumbs knows what he's doing, what he's shown me so far is great, and I'm grateful for his help.
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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:you all need to stop autismally arguing over vhs capture techniques and waiting for some guy to use his computer with no storage space and the worlds slowest internet connection to capture and upload a stupid early 90s porn parody featuring the incredible hairy man and the human sweat sprinkler and making a documentary about the trials and tribulations of capturing a fuckin vhs Edit- updated OP. Cool, thanks. Everybody with spikey blue balls can watch this version and be satisfied. Atomic Thumbs is still gonna rip the highest quality version he can, he's still gonna make a short film about it and I'm still going to see if I can get the tape into the museum. But now that we have a version to watch at all we can begin phase two of this project, which is review. I'm going to try to get Zack Parsons to revisit the subject since he's the one who broke ground on it. I've also got a contact for John Waters and I'm working on a letter to him. I'm open to further suggestions on who to contact. Everybody else who's interested in participating please watch Samuel L. Acksyn's version and write at least 300 words about the historical relevance of Super Hornio Brothers 1. Good subjects include (but are not limited to) the film's relationship to: -Contemporary trends in pornography vis-à-vis parody or specifically video game parody -Fair-use nature of parody, and Nintendo Co., Ltd.'s attempts (successful or failed) at censorship. -The filmographies of Buck Adams, Ron Jeremy, Krysti Lynn, Don Fernando et al. There are countless interesting points to review this film on, it should be no problem to find something to write about if you can stomach the entire thing. BoldFrankensteinMir fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Samuel L. Acksyn, do you have any leads on a copy of SHB2? It would be helpful to have that one too, it would widen the pool of subjects for essays.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Where did Samuel L. ACKSYN even get his copy of this? Was there always a copy floating around somewhere, just so hidden none of us or Zack Parsons could find it? I am also curious about this, since in 18 pages of bitching about how a rip already existed he's the first person to post an actual link. Mr Jeremy? Is that you?
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Excellent, thank you. The project can now also include essays about SHB 1, 2, or both together. Keep in mind, they were initially scripted as one film and then split into two when the original backers fell out.
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Rusty Staub posted:can the documentary include all these goddamn nerds arguing endlessly? like, can we kickstart some plane tickets and get everyone on the same panel At the very least, a few more pages of madness and I bet I can convince Garbageday to do a front page thing about it. Re-reading this thread has given me some fun ideas for how to present it graphically, a'la the Monstergeddon gimmick.
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People, the quality of these films' production values has nothing to do with their historic importance, which is what we're really looking at here. So far the only other example of a mainstream-release adult parody of a video game I can find from that early is In-X-Cess Productions' "Princess of Persia", also from 1993. But its connection to the source material is tenuous at best, and it's been available since its release. Even if he wasn't the first, Buck Adams was still way ahead of his time. And that he pushed through several production problems, changed backers and still made SHB 1 and 2 and marketed them, that's pretty impressive. The cast of the films is impressive and gets the attention of even those unfamiliar with adult actors, since Ron Jeremy now has a mainstream presence. The Super Mario Bros movie is a famously tone-deaf part of the Mario phenomenon and this is a direct part of that branch of it. Add to that the insane story of Nintendo buying up the rights to cease distribution, then Buck Adams dies, and the film is essentially lost for decades- this reads like all the great lost film stories I've ever read about, from Marjoe to Metropolis. If we restore Super Hornio Brothers and write thoughtful reviews and critiques and reference papers about it we can accomplish a lot. We can look at the state of popular culture in the 1990's, a subject we're only now starting to be able to look objectively at despite clearly caring a LOT about as a culture still. We learn more about the specific boundaries of Fair Use, and how those boundaries need to be further protected, a pertinent issue. We can shine a light on the business tactics of Nintendo Co., Ltd, and even if we find nothing wrong there we will have filled in a piece of the history of a very influential force in media. And most of all we tell a good story, which is how you get people to pay attention to history at all. I think the story of Buck Adams' Super Hornio Brothers, the porn parody Nintendo tried to hide, is going to be worth the work of unearthing and finishing.
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slomomofo posted:No, that's not how parody-for-profit works. You should read up on trademark law a little bit. You're right- rather than fair use this would be a first amendment issue. The name-changes are certainly for legal reasons but it's such an old convention it might as well not even be there anymore. OUR project is not-for-profit so it qualifies as fair use, so we can use this film and the images in it for whatever educational purposes we like.
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slomomofo posted:True, our project isn't a parody so it doesn't fall under the same umbrella. I'm not sure what you mean by name-changing for legal reasons being an obsolete convention, though... if anything, trade dress protection gets even more attention now than it did before the internet came along. Disney is the prime example for this - they're still just as litigious as ever in protecting their characters, so if you're looking to make (and sell) an animated movie (or line of halloween costumes) you'd better make sure you don't have any princesses named "Snow White" that are dressed in blue and yellow. It's an obsolete convention because everybody sees through it instantly- nobody doesn't get that Squeegee Hornio is a play on Luigi Mario. It's almost expected of you at this point to make parodic names so bluntly obvious that you're taunting the original's copyright. The phenomenon reminds me very much of how in hentai they will censor images of penises with just a tiny strip of blur over the urinary meatus; it's kind of a laughable attempt at censorship anymore made just to satisfy out-of-date laws. What's really ironic here is that Nintendo themselves set a precedent FOR the rights of the parody- they were sued over Donkey Kong by the holders of the King Kong rights and won, the names were deemed suitably different to be allowed as parody even though it was for-profit. As for The Mouse, their legal strategy is simple: might makes right. Their day is coming though. You don't piss on a visionary's grave every day for 30 years and not get your comeuppance eventually. But that's a different thread... edit- "Goat Stimulator" is the best one yet. Lots of guys who play that one also like "Kegel Space Program" BoldFrankensteinMir fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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gently caress da Mods posted:i found a bobs burgers porno Rule 34 is the pinnacle expression of Warholism. The logical step after Soup Can is Soup Can With Pulsing Erection.
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What's really loving amazing about this to me legally is that Nintendo buying up SHB seems to be a flip-flop from their role in Universal City Studios Inc. V Nintendo Co. Ltd, but then in UCSI V Nintendo the defendant successfully cites UCSI V RKO from 1975 to show that Universal DID THE SAME THING to RKO. So Nintendo acts very similarly in 1993 to the waffling old man it took down in 1984, who was acting very similar to the waffling old man it beat in 1975. But Nintendo ends the chain by armoring themselves against their own tactics- they just bought the offending media up and destroyed it. They turned a chain of victories for freedom of expression into the guide for an attack on it, what bastards. Edit- corrected precedent notation (nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd) BoldFrankensteinMir fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Holy poo poo, I didn't realize this- from Judge Sweet's 1984 decision: 'In his opinion, Donkey Kong was "comical" and the ape character "farcical, childlike and nonsexual." The King Kong character, on the other hand, was "a ferocious gorilla in quest of a beautiful woman." So the fact that one property is for children and the other has a sexual nature is, according to this legal precedent, substantial difference to prove non-infringement! From a case NINTENDO championed!!
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Pharmaskittle posted:there's a scooby doo porn parody that's actually really funny in parts. like, fred is trying to impregnate daphne, but doesn't understand how reproduction works because he's played as literally retarded. there's a benny hill chase sequence and everything. are pornos getting to be legitimately cleverly written? They are, and better made too. I also enjoyed the Scooby Doo parody-, and if you're interested seriously check out This Aint Married With Children, it has a fantastic making-of where they show off how hard they worked on the film. David Faustino comes in at one point and is legitimately surprised how good a job they did recreating the set from the show, it's genius. I have also heard the Cosby Show one is extremely well made, though the guy playing Cosby isn't in any of the sex scenes (insert joke here).
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atomicthumbs posted:it will be done at any cost. up to and including riding out the Storm of the Century in my car with a digital8 camcorder and an inverter See, now that's devotion right there. Godspeed, Thumbs.
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-Act 1- -An adult film director finishes an ambitious, ahead-of-its-time series, releases and markets it only to be shut down by a giant video game company. Rather than by cease-and-desist, the giant video game company censors the film by purchasing and destroying it. -This same giant video game company is involved in a lawsuit 9 years earlier wherein they themselves proved that two characters were, because of one's sexual nature and the other's nonsexual nature, distinctly different. This decision is appealed and upheld twice. -The lawyer who defends the giant video game company sails off in the boat they give him for winning. They name a famous character in one of their games after the lawyer. -The director of the ahead-of-its-time series passes. One of the stars becomes internationally known for other work. But the release of this work has been effectively undone by the giant video game company. -Act 2- -A decade passes. An online forum finds a fragment of the ahead-of-its-time series and one of its most prominent writers reviews it for a regular series of articles devoted to discussion of the internet's vast pornographic archives. He calls for the community to find the remaining missing portions of the series. -The forum searches for years, devotedly. They are fascinated and aroused by it, ironically and legitimately. -A member of the forums finds a physical copy of half of the series. Another member joins the effort and they begin an effort to digitize the film at maximum quality for historic preservation. The forums buzz with activity. -In the ensuing uproar another forums member comes forward with a degraded but full-length copy of both halves of the series. The forums begin to view and review these. -In the discussion, the legal history of the giant video game company is scrutinized. Their actions begin to seem suspicious in light of their own famous legal defense. Questions are raised about the large video game company, and how exactly the ahead-of-its-time series was suppressed, and why. -Act 3- -Trials and difficulties of restoration/distribution/preservation. -The large video game company is offered a place to respond to questions of its conduct. -The ahead-of-its-time series is partially or fully restored, distributed worldwide and thoroughly reviewed by experts, enthusiasts and celebrities, then donated to an adult film museum. Its place in history is affirmed, and the adult film director is praised for his foresight (ahem). OR -The large video game company attempts to block the wide release of the film, instigating a legal battle eerily similar to the chain of legal battles from act 1. The outcome affects the legal protections of the large video game company's characters, either by overturning a component of an old case or upholding it in the new one. ... Yeah, I'd say that's about all we need for a pretty bad-rear end full length feature documentary. Court proceedings are public record, though maybe not in these giant civil cases between international business giants, but either way we could recreate all the key moments. We get interviews with adult film makers, experts, lawyers, the museum, hell maybe we could even contact the mysterious Mr. Kirby, unless he just lives on the SS Donkey Kong out in international waters or something. Then wrap it up with Atomic Thumbs' awesome VHS distortion effects and animated sequences done by the forums to represent the forums. Thoughts?
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