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inklesspen
Oct 17, 2007

Here I am coming, with the good news of me, and you hate it. You can think only of the bell and how much I have it, and you are never the goose. I will run around with my bell as much as I want and you will make despair.
Buglord
I was kind of shocked when they introduced the existential risk group, mainly because I've been to a party thrown by what is likely the real-world inspiration for that group.

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Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


inklesspen posted:

I was kind of shocked when they introduced the existential risk group, mainly because I've been to a party thrown by what is likely the real-world inspiration for that group.

I was really hoping that when they searched the guy's computer the report would come back as "Nothing but a whole lot of Harry Potter fan-fiction."

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
They do genuinely try to use real-world events and persons as inspiration, I admire that about their writing staff. That said, they really hosed up how bees work. Elementary writing staff, PLEASE contact me if you're going to talk about bees in the future.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pick posted:

They do genuinely try to use real-world events and persons as inspiration, I admire that about their writing staff. That said, they really hosed up how bees work. Elementary writing staff, PLEASE contact me if you're going to talk about bees in the future.

Apiarists are not weird at all. Gimme all the honey though.

I Am Fowl
Mar 8, 2008

nononononono

Slamhound posted:

They missed a perfect opportunity for a Michael Emerson cameo.

God, it would have been amazing if they had just had him walk by on the street while they were discussing AI.

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

Mr. Fowl posted:

God, it would have been amazing if they had just had him walk by on the street while they were discussing AI.

Or if they consulted a college professor about AI. "Not you, Dr. Whistler…your colleague."

Plus, a Bear/Clyde team-up would rule.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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Preemptive reminder that we have a new episode tomorrow night! With Thanksgiving in the US it's been hit or miss if a show is airing this week - Elementary is.

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





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This episode has a hell of a lot going on, but holy poo poo Watson kept a casebook!!

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Much as I love Gregson, not sure we need this subplot.

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





TRP Post of the Month October 2021
Wait a surprise confession? Has this ever happened before?

Edit: It's fake isn't it?

pik_d fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Nov 28, 2014

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I approve of every episode starting with Clyde.

A lot of Kitty coming into her own this episode.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
ERROR SPOTTED: The experiment with the crash tests dummy's hand showed 990lb being required to pull off the hand, not 495. His scale was measuring the force in one rope, the other rope had the same 495lb force (less friction in the pulley, which was probably negligible).

Maera Sior
Jan 5, 2012

I'm really not sure why we got that Gregson plot. Every time they move away from Sherlock and Watson I want to change the channel.

johntfs
Jun 7, 2013

by Cowcaster
Soiled Meat

Maera Sior posted:

I'm really not sure why we got that Gregson plot. Every time they move away from Sherlock and Watson I want to change the channel.

We got the Gregson plot to learn that Gregson has a daughter who is also a police officer and to learn that Kitty is capable of quietly terrifying an abusive police officer into quitting the force and fleeing to Hobokan, which is awesome.

Blind Pineapple
Oct 27, 2010

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College Slice
Both plots were pretty blah this week, but Kitty continues to be great and this show was mostly about her. She's shown a little more edge in the past couple of weeks and is quietly solving a lot of poo poo. On the "might be evil" front, Clyde zapped her with electricity and rang the bell for Sherlock, and one has to wonder if there were ulterior motives to frying that laptop.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Clyde zapping Kitty was totally justified. He was getting his own back for her being a jerk to him last week and not taking him to see Watson. :colbert:

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

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Maera Sior posted:

I'm really not sure why we got that Gregson plot. Every time they move away from Sherlock and Watson I want to change the channel.

I'm the same way, but strictly for Sherlock. This is because Jonny Lee Miller is a hugely talented actor compared to everybody else in the cast and elevates the performances of those around him, especially Lucy Liu, who is loving AWFUL when left to carry a scene on her own.

Also, nobody else is a very interesting character, save for maybe Kitty now. Oh and Clyde of course. Clyde is always good and a better actor than Liu too. Yes, I am arguing that a turtle is a better actor than Lucy Liu and I'm prepared to defend this position.

Still Fluxing
Feb 14, 2013

A vision. A picture in my head. A picture of this.
I like Gregson, so I'm always happy to see more of him. And his plot did tie back to Kitty at the end, so it wasn't completely random.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!
Yeah the introduction was really rough (to the point where I paused the episode to go check that I didn't miss an episode last week) but it worked out in the end and gave us some info about Kitty and Gregson, so I didn't mind it. It made sense that with Watson gone for an episode they'd do something besides just have Sherlock and Kitty solve a case.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender
That was an excellent episode. The complete lack of Watson worked on two levels: One, it showed that she can have a life outside of Holmes' casework, and Two, it was a Kitty showcase, showing her actually doing things and being competent, standing in just as well as if it was Watson at Holmes side. That's definitely important if she is to be more than just a glorified extra in Watson's shadow.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Yeah, it was important to have a Kitty episode. However, I also agree that JLM is so exceptionally talented that it's almost a waste to ever have him offscreen.

spookygonk
Apr 3, 2005
Does not give a damn

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

That was an excellent episode. The complete lack of Watson worked on two levels: One, it showed that she can have a life outside of Holmes' casework, and Two, it was a Kitty showcase, showing her actually doing things and being competent, standing in just as well as if it was Watson at Holmes side. That's definitely important if she is to be more than just a glorified extra in Watson's shadow.

If she ever becomes a criminal in the future, Kitty is going to be almost unstoppable.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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I watched the first five minutes and nearly turned it off, because it was perfection. Clyde zapping Kitty for his food?!

It was a great episode all around, of course, and it was great to see Kitty doing her thing and being her own character. I didn't mind the Gregson side plot (although more Clyde B plot would have been ok with me) because the daughter who is an officer will probably become an important call back (like Gregson's wife troubles were) in a future episode. And it showed that Kitty can work on her own without Sherlock and be very effective.

The writers have made her a capable partner with Sherlock rather than a nuisance keeping him and Watson apart.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


pik_d posted:

This episode has a hell of a lot going on, but holy poo poo Watson kept a casebook!!

Pretty sure we saw her writing it in season one.

Pierson
Oct 31, 2004



College Slice
I'm interested in the show but is this like Agents of Shield where I need to 'stick with it' or is it pretty good from the offset? Got sick and tired of BBC Sherlock because of Reasons.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Pierson posted:

I'm interested in the show but is this like Agents of Shield where I need to 'stick with it' or is it pretty good from the offset? Got sick and tired of BBC Sherlock because of Reasons.

Pretty good from episode 1 I'd say.

Still Fluxing
Feb 14, 2013

A vision. A picture in my head. A picture of this.

The Lord Bude posted:

Pretty good from episode 1 I'd say.

I know some Sherlock fans (grudgingly) watched the pilot and then immediately dropped it because Joan and Sherlock weren't besties from the moment they met. But as long as you're aware that their relationship will grow as they get to know each other better, you're golden.

spookygonk
Apr 3, 2005
Does not give a damn

Still Fluxing posted:

I know some Sherlock fans (grudgingly) watched the pilot and then immediately dropped it because Joan and Sherlock weren't besties from the moment they met. But as long as you're aware that their relationship will grow as they get to know each other better, you're golden.
Johnny Lee Miller sold it for me from the outset.

Still Fluxing
Feb 14, 2013

A vision. A picture in my head. A picture of this.

spookygonk posted:

Johnny Lee Miller sold it for me from the outset.

Oh yeah, same here. He's really amazing in that role.

johntfs
Jun 7, 2013

by Cowcaster
Soiled Meat

Still Fluxing posted:

I know some Sherlock fans (grudgingly) watched the pilot and then immediately dropped it because Joan and Sherlock weren't besties from the moment they met. But as long as you're aware that their relationship will grow as they get to know each other better, you're golden.

One of the parts I liked best about Elementary was seeing the Holmes-Watson relationship morph from mildly antagonistic professional engagement to mentor/student to true friendship. As far as the differences between Sherlock and Elementary, they feel like a divorced couple. Sherlock got the London setting, male Doctor Watson, 221B Baker Street and all the trapping of the Conan Doyle series. Elementary got its soul. In Sherlock Benedict Cumberbatch plays Sherlock Holmes. In Elementary Johnny Lee Miller is Sherlock Holmes.

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

spookygonk posted:

Johnny Lee Miller sold it for me from the outset.

Yeah, Miller stole both versions of Frankenstein from right under Cumberbatch (switching characters even) and does the very same thing with Sherlock Holmes in Elementary.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

That was an excellent episode. The complete lack of Watson worked on two levels: One, it showed that she can have a life outside of Holmes' casework, and Two, it was a Kitty showcase, showing her actually doing things and being competent, standing in just as well as if it was Watson at Holmes side. That's definitely important if she is to be more than just a glorified extra in Watson's shadow.

Yeah I agree. This episode finally sold me on Kitty, and I like her a lot more than I did previously.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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:siren: S3 E6 Terra Pericolosa :siren:

Holmes and Watson search for a thief who committed murder to steal a rare map. Meanwhile, Watson becomes concerned with Sherlock's escalating interference into Kitty's burgeoning personal life.

Translation of title: Dangerous Land

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

I'm tearing myself away from Peter Pan Live! to watch this, it better be a good one.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
This one was pretty cute in terms of character plot stuff, but ultimately the core crime was kind of daft. Why not just ask to see the map, that you own, and quickly scratch out the tiny part of it with sandpaper or something? They can't really charge you with damaging something you own, even if it is on permanent loan. Even if they wanted to, I doubt they'd risk angering a donor, and even if they did, the crime would only be property damage and not super murder.

I'm wondering what Kitty's fate will be, though. I think there's too much pressure to resume Holmes/Watson as the primary dynamic. I think she might last the season though, maybe go back to Scotland Yard or something.

Pick fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Dec 5, 2014

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

I knew Crozier had done it the instant her smug face turned up onscreen. :argh:

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Same, she didn't really sell it well. Smug is right.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Pick posted:

This one was pretty cute in terms of character plot stuff, but ultimately the core crime was kind of daft. Why not just ask to see the map, that you own, and quickly scratch out the tiny part of it with sandpaper or something? They can't really charge you with damaging something you own, even if it is on permanent loan. Even if they wanted to, I doubt they'd risk angering a donor, and even if they did, the crime would only be property damage and not super murder.

I'm wondering what Kitty's fate will be, though. I think there's too much pressure to resume Holmes/Watson as the primary dynamic. I think she might last the season though, maybe go back to Scotland Yard or something.

Yea her plan was pretty dumb and overly complicated.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Yea her plan was pretty dumb and overly complicated.

Well, it introduced a huge number of risks for no good reason. (Casino metaphor? :iamafag:)

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Blind Pineapple
Oct 27, 2010

For The Perfect Fruit 'n' Kaman

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1 part pomegranate syrup
Fill with pineapple juice
Serve over crushed ice

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The "waxing his single stick" line made me giggle.

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