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While I think Adnan probably did it (or at the very least was heavily involved), there's still a ton of reasonable doubt and if I were on the jury I certainly wouldn't have voted to convict him. Is there a way to convict a defense lawyer for the crimes of their client? Because holy poo poo she was the worst loving attorney I've ever heard of. Like, I'm pretty sure Barry Zuckerkorn could have done a better cross-examination of Jay than she did.
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Minor correction for the OP: Jay wasn't Adnan or Hae's classmate, he had graduated the year before. I don't recall if any of them had interacted while they were all in school together, though.
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Nov 13, 2014 19:27
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bollig posted:I've tried going to the Reddit subreddit, and it is is pretty much everything I hate about that site. We pretty clearly don't have all the info, so it's probably not worth it to sperg out like crazy. The subreddit, while suffering from typical Reddit problems that may or may not bother people to certain degrees, does have some handy resources that I haven't found anywhere else. For example, the sidebar has transcripts of all the episodes that one of the moderators wrote up, in case you want to look something up real quick and don't want to re-listen to the entire episode. Seeing stuff written down helps too, for example I didn't know that the Hot Fries that Hae bought at the concession stand were actually just a kind of regional potato chip and not, in fact, actual french fries.
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Nov 14, 2014 20:01
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AndrewP posted:The Nisha call directly refutes Adnan's story. It puts Adnan with his phone at a time when Adnan said he did not have his phone and was at the library. Adnan said Jay had his phone until 5 or so I think, but Jay didn't know Nisha and wouldn't have placed a two minute call to her unless it was a butt dial. Continuing off of this, it also possibly places Jay and Adnan together at the time of the call, if Jay's story about talking to Nisha for a few minutes is true. The problem is that Nisha distinctly remembers them talking about a porn store that Jay worked at, a job he didn't even start until a few weeks after the murder. Incidentally, does anyone remember exactly what time Hae was supposed to pick up her cousin? When she failed to show up, that's when people first noticed she was missing, so that's probably the latest she could have been killed, but I can't remember the exact time. ninjahedgehog fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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Nov 14, 2014 22:53
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AndrewP posted:That last bit is strange, but Nisha misremembering one detail of the call seems more likely than it being a crazy coincidence and it not actually happening. I'm inclined to think this too. It's entirely possible that she's thinking of a later call that Jay and Adnan might have made together. In fact, an Adnan-is-innocent narrative requires a hell of a lot of coincidences like that, like Adnan coincidentally not have a strong alibi and Jay being stupid enough to frame him without knowing that.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:05
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bedpan posted:He was involved with the people who were bombarding her phone with calls and texts and saw no reason to send messages himself. He was hearing first hand that someone was sending a message or trying to call and was there with them during the attempts. Not really? When he got the call from the police he was with Jay, Cathy, and her boyfriend, none of which (except possibly Jay) knew Hae at all. http://serialpodcast.org/maps/cell-phone-call-log None of his calls after the cops (6:24) are to anyone who would be worried about Hae, ninjahedgehog fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Nov 16, 2014 03:08
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Watermelon City posted:I hope more time is devoted to Hae's boyfriend. Based on Hae & Adnan's on again off again sort of relationship, perhaps he got jealous. They didn't go too deep into Don's alibi, but I figured that was because it was ironclad. I assume multiple people, including coworkers, customers, and his boss, corroborated that he was at Lenscrafters all day.
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Nov 20, 2014 04:59
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I still think Adnan is probably a murderer, but drat if this last episode didn't make me feel sorry for him. Good on him for trying to make the best of a totally lovely situation though, and if I were God-Emperor of Maryland I might even consider him a changed man and look into the possibility of parole. EDIT: Also, I think it's totally hilarious that the reason that girl (Laura?) was so confident there wasn't a phone anywhere was because she was literally casing the joint so she should shoplift. ninjahedgehog fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Nov 20, 2014 22:24
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There are actually two different women with similar names. Asia is the one who saw Adnan at the library, and Aisha is Hae's friend who allegedly called him just before the cops did.
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Nov 22, 2014 20:53
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Shitshow posted:Has any defender of Adnan been able to explain why... b) it was used to call Asia, a girl who he had been dating and that Jay had never met? Nisha, not Asia. I think the leading theory among Adnan defenders is butt-dial, which honestly raises more questions than it answers.
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Nov 25, 2014 04:37
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Bonzo posted:Did they ever discuss sex in detail? Maybe this was a case of rough sex gone wrong? There was no evidence of sexual assault, and although I'm not an expert it seems logical that "rough sex gone wrong" would be ruled out with the same stroke.
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Dec 2, 2014 20:12
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Toxxupation posted:It's better to elect judges than to have them appointed by the governor tbqh I'm going to put the same amount of effort into my rebuttal that you put into your post. More, actually, since I'm actually bothering to use punctuation. Nope.
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Dec 7, 2014 22:31
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Mister Chief posted:Am I crazy or was the Asia alibi debunked because she specifically mentioned the type of weather that day way which was completely inaccurate? Like she said it was raining heavily but it was clear all day or something? So she would have been remembering another day. http://serialpodcast.org/posts/2014/11/weather-report Basically, her memory of talking to Adnan in the library is specifically tied to the fact that it snowed that night, because her boyfriend was mad at her for doing so and she was then trapped in the house with him all night, which was awkward or something. Problem is, it didn't actually snow that night. School was cancelled the next day due to ice, not snow, and that didn't even start until 4:30 AM on the 14th. While this doesn't disprove her story, it does, like outlier just said, make it more unreliable because the fact that the weather was different than what she said makes it possible that she's remembering a completely different day. On the other hand, ice and snow aren't really all that different (to me, at least  ) especially as she's remembering it 6 weeks and then 14 years after the fact, so it could be nothing.
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bedpan posted:For SK, this entire season has been building to the moment in episode 11 where she confronts Adnan about the theft. She wanted the character flaw or a crime or a mistake that would let her say 'and so he is a murderer' and worked relentlessly towards uncovering something, anything, that would fit her predetermined end. Perversely, more important than a very real murder or a very possible wrongful conviction, is Adnan Seyed's theft of a few thousand dollars. As I recall, the information about the mosque theft only came to light after the podcast had already started and people were calling in about what they knew.
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