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flerp
Feb 25, 2014


LIVE CRITS

people seemed to enjoy this last week, so im gonna do it again! thisll be going for now to whenever I finish (an hour or two, only 16 submissions so shouldnt take that long)

currently done

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...dit?usp=sharing

flerp fucked around with this message at Oct 26, 2015 around 18:58

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Mercedes
Mar 7, 2006

"So you Jesus?"

"And you black?"

"Nigga prove it!"

And so Black Jesus turned water into a bucket of chicken. And He saw that it was good.


I had a test I was studying for this weekend. I'll finish my story by tonight and post it here to get my DM

newtestleper
Oct 30, 2003


Pham Nuwen posted:

Yo I hope you're not forgetting your promises just because you got a shiny new title... You're in luck, though, they forgot to close submissions.

poo poo, thanks for reminding me! I'll get on them today at work!!

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Crit for Newtestleper's interprompt story, God Bless Us, Every One!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...dit?usp=sharing

Overall I liked it, there's not much you can say about 250 words but basically: the idea is cute, you realized it thoroughly enough that it makes sense. You said on IRC that it might not be close enough to the prompt but I don't think it's far off. I'd cut out the two lines "abandoned kittens" and "brussels sprouts" because neither particularly make me think of Christmas, and then you get 4 more words to put wherever you like prior to submitting to the contest.

Pham Nuwen fucked around with this message at Oct 26, 2015 around 20:13

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Clear off, fatso, this is a respectable establishment





Lipstick Apathy

Pham Nuwen posted:

I'd cut out the two lines "abandoned kittens" and "brussels sprouts" because neither particularly make me think of Christmas

wtf what heathen country are you from where brussels sprouts aren't the poison of the Christmas dinner table?

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



HopperUK posted:

wtf what heathen country are you from where brussels sprouts aren't the poison of the Christmas dinner table?

It's lutefisk in my family, except we all kinda enjoy it anyway.

newtestleper
Oct 30, 2003


Crits for Pham Nuwen and Guiness13

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...XEGdH7gKFk/edit

I'm happy to take another look at your stories once you've edited them, too. We have heaps of time - subs close on November 16

crabrock
Aug 2, 2002

aka sticklegs



Grimey Drawer

flerp
Feb 25, 2014


Obliterati posted:

loving Memes

you come in here, when im judging, and you write a god drat meme story, god loving damnit, idc if my other judges liked your stupid story about loving memebots or whatever, you deserve nothing else but the most slow and agonizing death while someone whispers lovely overplayed memes into your ear.

Brawl me, memelord.

Morning Bell
Feb 23, 2006



Yams Fan

Alright listen up



This was a fun week. There were several strong pieces and I even enjoyed reading a few of them - thank you for only making me want to throw up a couple of times. There were also more than a few common problems amongst several stories and I'll elaborate on the many ways you have disappointed me in a crit post in a couple of days - there's a lot to say.

All in all, though, good stuff this week. Let's see how everybody did!

Hanging out in a back-alley, smoking rollies, huffing paint from a can

What dishonourable mentions? You were just too loveable. We couldn't do that to you. The judges felt there were no stories that warranted any dishonourable mentions so there are none this week. There is however, a loss, and it that goes to Cult Classic by anime was right. This had a lot of issues and was a very difficult piece to read.

Leaping out a window, lip-stick mark on one cheek

Our honourable mentions are The Tale of Shirin Who Was Not a Princess by theblunderbuss, which was a pretty and very well crafted piece, and the touching and witty Though throwing a treat into a ventilation shaft doesnít work for Terry by crabrock (which had a stellar rogue to boot).

Having saved the day, riding off into the sunset

is everybody's favourite rogue Kaishai with Taking Notes. The writing is gorgeous, the setting is just great, the story is solid. All of the judges were very impressed.

Thank you for a good week, everybody! Take it away, Kaishai!

Kaishai
Nov 3, 2010

Scoffing at modernity.

Thunderdome Week CLXIX: Thunderdome o' Bedlam



Knights of Ghosts and Shadows: Kaishai, Ironic Twist, and Schneider Heim.

'Tis the spooky season, Thunderdome, and truly I am filled with horror by my resumption of the throne. There's only one thing to do: ransack Satan's kitchen for a feast of souls.

There's a folk song I love that goes by many names, among them "Tom O' Bedlam." Maybe you've heard it? No? That's fine! The lyrics of the myriad versions have been compiled for your convenience, and your prompt is to write a story inspired by one of the stanzas. Declare your choice of stanza when you sign up. Note that while many verses are on the dark side, horror is optional. Any mood that doesn't involve porn is welcome.

"But Kaishai," you say, "I can't make up my mind. Will you do it for me?" Yes, you sweet indecisive summer child. The judges will select a verse for you if you ask. On the flip side, no flash rules--we'll hand those out strictly as punishments.

Nonfiction, fanfiction, erotica, poetry, and GoogleDocs are forbidden.

Sign-up deadline: Friday, October 30, 11:59pm USA Eastern
Submission deadline: Sunday, November 1, 11:59pm USA Eastern
Maximum word count: 1,313

All clear? Good! Welcome to Bedlam, varlets! Enjoy your stay!

All on the spit a-turning:
Broenheim
Grizzled Patriarch: "If I Find Jack Nicholson Under the Ground"
paranoid randroid: "Satan Diversifies" (Submitted after the deadline.)
Thranguy: "No Takebacks"
Sitting Here (Punitive flash rule: Your main character is a fig farmer): "Yielding Fruit"
newtestleper: "Mile End"
Djeser
Jocoserious: "Under the Day Moon"
C7ty1
Obliterati: "Libertť, Egalitť, Baiseritť"
Pham Nuwen: "The Host of Fancies"
Fuschia tude: "Uniform"
HopperUK: "The Surly Bonds of Earth"
SurreptitiousMuffin: "from atop the crown of stone"
ZeBourgeoisie
brotherly: "The Murder of Camper Lee"
crabrock: "Piggie Steps"
worlds_best_author
Fumblemouse: "Corridor 6"

Kaishai fucked around with this message at Dec 2, 2015 around 04:31

flerp
Feb 25, 2014


in, give me a stanza

Kaishai
Nov 3, 2010

Scoffing at modernity.

Broenheim posted:

in, give me a stanza

The Gipsys, Snap and Pedro
Are none of Tom's comradoes,
The punk I scorn, and the cutpurse sworn
And the roaring boy's bravadoes.

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.




In with:

But I will find Bonny Maud, merry mad Maud
And seek whate'er betides her
Yet I will love beneath or above
The dirty earth that hides her.

Guiness13
Feb 17, 2007

The best angel of all.

newtestleper posted:

Crits for Pham Nuwen and Guiness13

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...XEGdH7gKFk/edit

I'm happy to take another look at your stories once you've edited them, too. We have heaps of time - subs close on November 16

Thanks! And because Christmas is the time of giving, here's a crit for you and Pham Nuwen.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...dit?usp=sharing

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007



In

I went down to Satan's kitchen
To break my fast one morning
And there I got souls piping hot
All on the spit a-turning.

Thranguy
Apr 21, 2010

'Read over your compositions, and when you meet a passage which you think is particularly fine, strike it out.' -Samuel Johnson

In, and stanza me.

Kaishai
Nov 3, 2010

Scoffing at modernity.

Thranguy posted:

In, and stanza me.

The spirits white as lightning
Would on my travels guide me.
The stars would shake and the moon would quake
Whenever they espied me.

flerp
Feb 25, 2014


Rogue Crits

Iím mostly posting this so that I have this little intro post thing at the beginning somewhere in thunderdome.

Ok, so a big issue Iíve seen, not just this week, but in general is that people end their stories terribly. Ok, so your story has to have a character, right? Like that should be a given, because like, thatís literally the point of stories is to reveal characters. Thatís, hopefully, why you are writing a story. So youíve got a character, but the key thing about a story is that your protagonist is dynamic, aka, he (or she, w/e) changes. Well, I forget who said this, but basically he said that a story has to have your character change or given the opportunity to change. A lot of times when I read thunderdome, you guys dont do this. One of the big issues I see with thunderdome, and this isnít just for new people or people who land in the middle or the lower end of things, this is true for even the high end people, is that they write scenes. Not stories, scenes. Itís like opening to a random chapter in a book and reading that. Sure, it can be interesting and cool, but, at the end of it, thereís not going to be a conclusion because thereís still more that the writer wants to say. Look, I know you have low word counts, and itís hard, but you still need to have stories with conclusions. And I deliberately use conclusions rather than endings because I define them differently. An ending is just that, an ending. It is ďthe endĒ and thatís all it is. A conclusion is an ending, but itís more than just ďthe end,Ē itís where things change, itís where everything is wrapped up, and itís where the decision (note that I say decision, not the moment that allows the change to occur, but the decision) to change or not change happens, also known as the climax. Note that this is in reference to flash because of how condensed these stories are, generally, your conclusion will be your climax. You donít have time to do all that introduction, rising action, climax, falling action, resolution bullshit. Flash is like porn instead of real sex. Itís all rising action than climax, none of that foreplay before or that horrible awkwardness afterwards. So when I get to your ending of flash, i better see you loving finish. A lot of times, you donít, you just kinda let your dick flop out, shrug to the camera, and it ends.

Iím just gonna take an example of one of the stories this week, and talk about what I mean. Iíll use Arron and the Imp because I think this story has potential, but the ending was meh. It was mostly because while Arron was given an opportunity to change, itís not clear what his decision is, if any. Sure, he saves the imp, but thatís not the real point of the story, not what that decision. The real decision Arron has to make is either become like his father and become the devil, or accept his empathy and reject that calling. In the ending that the story has, itís not quite there. He lets her go, but then what. What does this mean for him? He hasnít made his final decision, he hasnít completely the story. But the important thing is that he has to make a decision.

Take another example of a story that loving rocks, The Things They Carried by Tim OíBrien, because it opens up with this guy who leads a squad in vietnam who is totally utterly in love with this girl who doesnít love him back. And one day, when heís reminiscing about this girl, one of his squad members gets shot. So, he blames himself, and then he realizes that the girl doesnít love him, and never will, and he gives up on his love for her. Then he becomes a hard rear end, where the only thing that he does is march because thatís what heís supposed to do. Jesus, itís a such a good loving story (seriously, read it if you havenít), and it exemplifies exactly what I want from your guysí stories. We have this dude who has a conflict, he loves this girl who doesnít love him back, and he struggles with that internally. Then, because of that conflict, he gets somebody killed. Now, heís given the opportunity to change. Thatís the problem with so many stories in thunderdome, really. You donít give them that opportunity to change.

Ask yourself questions when you're writing your story. Why is this moment of your story so important? Why is it that this story is so important to tell? What does it means for your character? Thatís the questions you should be asking yourself when youíre writing a story. Ask yourself - Does this event in the story threaten to change the course of my characterís life? The answer should always be yes in your story. And at the end of your story, you need to ask yourself - Did my character have a moment where he could change? The answer should always be yes. Then, ask yourself one more question - Did my character make a decision whether to change or not? When you answer yes to those questions, thatís when you have a conclusion, not an ending.

Also judgemode and allllll that poo poo

Arron and the Imp

If youíre referring to God, the Christian singular God, then His pronouns are capitalized. Ok, letís just start with some things I like. I like Lucifer having a son, I like how you paralled Arronís getting tied up to Tinaís getting tied up, a nice reversal. Everything else works or doesnít work to a varying degree. Iím not a big fan of the dialogue. Tinaís feels a bit too generic cool guy talking and Arronís feels a bit too generic devil talking. The leap of Arron falling for Tina was sudden and doesnít make any sense and the whole romance idea couldíve been easily cut. Just because thereís a guy and a girl doesnít mean they have to fall in love. It wouldíve been better if Tina acted more as a representation of the humanity inside of Arron rather than a generic love interest. I also feel like the second scene, and most of the dialogue, could be cut down. Then, you couldíve explored Arron more, make me sympathize with him and his situation. But the worst part is that this story doesnít resolve anything. The ending is just Arron cuts off her ear and then Tina runs away, but I donít feel like thereís any big change. Sure, Arron gains a little bit of sympathy, but thereís no big change. Based off of the beginning, that Arron already had some sympathy for the lost souls, what has changed? Is Arron going to kill Tina? Is Arron going to be kinder to the souls? Iím not sure. You had an extra 100 words to work with, or 400 if youíre counting Tina as your rogue (which I think you are), so an actual ending with 1) see that the character changes drastically from the beginning and 2) see the consequences of that change, this could story could work better. Iím not going to say itíll HM with a better ending because Arron and Tina are pretty bland characters overall, buttttttttttt it wouldíve been better.

Low Middle.

ĒA Sprinkle of LoveĒ

That is the worst opening line in the world. 1) Itís overdone. 2) who cares. Seriously, who cares if itís 1941 and itís in New York. I should be able to notice that, if the date is important and the specific setting is important, these details through just your writing. This is completely and utterly useless because it does nothing. ďbut but but it establishes settingĒ gently caress off right there. you can easily establish through less terrible means. ďthere are big buildings.Ē ďin Times Squares.Ē ďin this gyro place.Ē whatever. there are a million better ways to do what you just did. so, um, next time do one of them.

ďTwo detectives.Ē Jesus christ this is going to be the most generic story in the world.

OMG YOU CANT BE SERIOUS IS THIS A REAL STORY IM READING?

wait what, sheís known to steal diamonds but shes not in jail? WTF

3 years for stealing half a million worth of diamonds seems a bit ummmm, lenient?

Ok, lol this story is so generic noir that thereís no point in critting this. What were you trying to do? Whatís the point? All you have are a bunch of cliches with no uniqueness or anything interesting to it. Itís so generic and boring and Iíve felt like I read this a million times and I donít even read noir. So, ummm, if you want to be a creative writer, maybe be creative? Ok, cool.

Low, possible DM for being so utterly cliche, but idk, weíll see this week.

Give Him the Finger

Cut your first paragraph. Then the next. Then another. Do it again. One last time. There you go, now youíre getting to the plot. Thanks for that.

Scridiot, I love you man, but god, you need to be more creative. Almost every story of yours that I read feels like itís curbed for things that you like, which is fine, but you have to make them unique. You fall into tropes without understanding that if your story is entirely filled with cliches, then your story is, yep, cliche. Iím of the personal belief that everyone can be a writer because every person is unique. Every person views things in a unique way that only you can express. The problem with your stories, I feel, is that you never do that. You never tell the story thatís inside of you. You never make me feel like Iím reading a story that only you could write. I mean, letís look at this story in-depth and think about every little piece of it to try and determine what the hell went wrong.

1) You started in a bar, the most cliche place to ever start a story
2) Your dialogue is incredibly generic trying-to-be-cool dialogue that feels ripped from ďedgyĒ comics and books that nerds absolutely adore because they want to feel that cool when they really arenít. Also people donít talk that way.
3) Your protag is a disgruntled war veteran. Cliche
4) Oldman is super generic with a generic tragic backstory. cliche
5) Protag doesnít give a poo poo, also a cliche.
6) old guyís racist for some reason.
7) ďthatíll be double the payment.Ē i think, quite literally, that has been done a billion times.
8)the guy paying him was the bad guy the whole time!!!!!! cliche
9) ripping off of fullmetal (my name comes from that, ok, youíre not getting that one past me)
10) protagonist has a ~~~tragic backstory~~~ what a loving surprise.
11) betraying the guy again. yep, thatís a new one.

Scridiot, I really, really, really, really, really, want you to write good. I mean, I want everyone to. And whenever I see you in the thread or IRC and hear you talk about writing, it always make me because itís like youíre trying soooooooooo hard, but dude, maybe the right thing do is to like, not try hard? like i feel like you overthink your stuff, you try to make them be too much. so like, just go with the flow man, be chill when you write. write what you feel because imo, this story isnt you. this isnt who you are as a person. good stories, they tell a lot about a person, they give me insight about another person, not just a character, but also the writer. write a story only you can write because i know you can. everyone can. when I read your stories, and your posts, I feel like youre trying too hard, when you should just let your hair down and take off your glasses and reveal to us that you were actually hot the whole time. just be you man. i want to get to know you man, but when I read your stories, i dont feel like im getting to know you fundamentally as a person. i think you can fix that, i really do.

Anyways after all those kind words, time to slip into dick mode. DM, possible loss.

The Tale of Shirin Who Was Not a Princess

ok, uncle kinda owns. alright, im liking this after the first scene. characters are fun and interesting, esp. the thief who is always terrible and keeps getting caught because lol thats good. i think you made the same typo twice (shift instead of shirt). nvm on that typo i was informed that i am in fact an idiot, carry on. Ok, this story is cool. I liked the characters, all of them were fun to read about and they didnít have obnoxious dialogue so good work there. thereís a lot of things I like. I like the bookend of Uncle, I like the character development of that, Shirin as a character is loving great. I was invested in this whole story because of character. So great work.

HM or win.

The Rakeís Progress

ughhhhh this melodrama. ďToo foppish. See you at the gallows, fop.Ē hahahahah got Ďem!!!!! gently caress that line owns so hard. that kidís loving awesome. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO youíre punctuating dialogue wrong. the most grievous of sins! god damnit. read this http://litreactor.com/columns/talk-...e-in-your-prose and get good at it, cause thatll make my life a lot nicer. bahhhhh, not a fan. idk, it seems like the whole story is leading up to an ending of him dying and then he dies and the end. i dont really see a change in character. like, what about that moment, besides, you know killing him, changed this character. thereís no difference emotionally between the beginning of the story and the end. heís the same old dick from the beginning to end, so uhhhh, why should i care?

Middle

Cult Classic

Oh, I hope this title is a cult pun! Iím not a big sci-fi fan (read: gently caress SCI-FI) but i like the idea of batteries being used to run everything instead of like, lithium crystals or whatever the gently caress people do in sci-fi thatís really dumb and made up. oh yeah also i have no idea wtf is happening in this story. like ok, the problem with sci-fi most of the time is that im not ever given context. like im just dropped into this world and im like wtf is going on? where am i? also, they generally forget character and im four paragraphs in and i have no idea who your character is besides ďdoesnt want to get his favorite cloak dirtyĒ and ďis rude to dead people.Ē So, the makings of a likable character! who caressssssssssssssss. i dont give a poo poo about haggling about energy wells or whatever the fuckkkk. who cares about population of cities. Wait, did you mean to write Crow instead of Mona then learnedÖ? what? god damnit, am i going to have a long post at the beginning about loving endings this week because jesus christ, it feels like none of you have any clue what the gently caress you are doing when you get towards the end. just as a teaser, a conclusion isnt just ďwhere the story ends,Ē itís more then that. there needs to be some kind of change. iíll explain in more detail once im done reading.

Low Middle

Gloria Tuesday and the obnoxiously long title

Cool, conflict at the beginning, want a little more character, but w/e, it works. Bleh, middling spy fiction that does nothing to make its cliche feel unique or interest, bored the entire reading, another non-ending.

Middle

I Used to be an Adventurer Like You

No, please no memes. esp. not these rly bad ones. NOT MEMEBOTS DEAR GOD PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. i want to die. why is 1.4k words! why is this any words????? theres to many memes dear god. ďno time for banterĒ thank god one writer gets it, but why does it have to be the writer whose writing about MEMES. ok, though, ďEarly TumblrĒ is actually a great joke not gonna lie. iÖ thisÖ iÖ idk. this was dumb and stupid as gently caress and most of it was wasted a ton of horribly lovely jokes that werent funny in the slightest. BUT you actually had a conclusion unlike other stories so that might save you from a DM, or at least saves you from a loss in my books. actually, nah, gently caress your memes. never do this again, ok. thanks bud.

DM or Loss.

The Tower of Cortes

God loving damnit GP (im assuming its you, if not, oh well). Jesus christ, every time it feels like you write something that loving owns, that im with you and then you just end. Christ. Ok, I actually wasnt that big of a fan of this story, but it was still good. I think the opening paragraph needs to start with Alonso to key us in that heís the protag from the start. You canít start intrigue (like wtf the maps are for) and then end your story without telling us why they are! that whole scene of Alonso being drunk doesnt really add anything to the story, well, i mean, thats because this isnt a story. its just a vignette. this feels like an opening to a story, where youíve established character and conflict, but you dont go any further. Alonso has his doubts now, thatís his conflict, now resolve it. Please, do it for me. Your writing is drat good though, but thatís like saying water is wet for you GP. Actually, something Iíd be interested in is seeing you do poetry sometime, since I love your words, itís just the story elements that seem out of place. But, you know, just an idea.

Ok wait, i misread this because dumb. Itís better, the ending is more conclusive, but I think the storyís too easy. Like, he realizes heís conquering the city and then heís like welp, time to erase the map. Thereís nothing really standing in his way besides like this implied money but like, why does he need money? Like, thereís nothing in it for him to lose it feels like. Heís not making a hard choice, heís making the easy, obvious choice so thatís kinda lame. I feel like this would be stronger if there was a stronger conflict, that he had the revelation and then he has like a dying sister or something that he wants so he had choose between his personal desires and his morality. The characterís decision is too easy and obvious.

High middle.

Taking Notes

This wasnít bad. I enjoyed the character, a simple story told well. It doesnít quite hit the notes I want from the ending but it has hints of it. It needs a more impactful ending that you couldíve added in in 400 words. Thereís a lot of good things in this though. The character in such a way that made her sympathetic and clever. I liked how your intro of the dice rolling thing came back and mattered in the story. Your character does smart things to outwit people. Sheís flawed because sheís stealing poo poo, but sympathetic because gently caress that one dude. This works, just needs a better ending.

High, possible HM.

Though throwing a treat into a ventilation shaft doesnít work for Terry

Good opening line. Ok the voice isnt bad, but can, we, uhhh, you know get to the story? Cause yeah, cool, your characterís kinda funny but theres not much happening and hes not quite as funny as you think she is. Oh, i see, your pandering to me. my bad. dog stories best stories. the dog is p. good actually. ok i changed my mind this dog story loving owns. I think the last line is best being unstated. BUT, turns out, while i was iffy at the beginning, this story, does in fact, rule. You may have laid it on a bit thick, but I like how well you characterized the protag, who based on the beginning feels like she genuinely does hate the dog, but as it continues, thereís this sort of endearment that she has for this dog that sheís trying to hide, and while it couldve been done more subtly, itís still a hell of a lot more nuanced then a lot of thunderdome stories. also, holy poo poo, that dog was loving awesome. like drat. great rear end story man. i think this trex, but i dont remember if he signed up this week. oh wait, hes dead i forgot. w/e, whoever did this, pro-tier dogging, great work.

HM or Win, my win because dog.

Chase in the Lisbon Hilton

whooooooooo what is happening? she has a BMX in a hotel and shes doing ollies and poo poo? thats kinda rad. lol, of course she didnt think ahead, shes loving using a BMX to steal poo poo. god damnit. wth why do all the rogues have red hair? meh, this was like 1600 words of too many things that, when you add Ďem all together, add up to very little. Too time is spent on the action that the action starts being nothing because it no longer has any meaning.

Middle.

Theatrics

aight, we get it, you like fights. this is kinda like dog story, what with the focus on voice, but the voice in that one was a bit more nuanced because, it was like an unreliable narrator of sorts, but in this one, itís kinda like, not unreliable? theres no real nuance to it. why is there a paragraph on dresses? god damnit, another story ends where it should keep going. gently caress. big long post at the beginning will definitely be coming to explain why.

The Adventures of a pirate who is 6 years old because lol thats funny right?

Did chairchucker sign up this week? because this is prob. him. lol this owns.

HM.

Going Rogue

get to the point. ok, dragon being the head of a bank = cool. then exposition on dragon logistics = not cool. ehhhh, wasnt feeling this. a lot of words for a lot of nothing. im supposed to care about the dad, i guess, but not really. hes not really even in the story so thatís kind of lame. theres kind of an actual ending though, so thatís good i guess. you have some kind of emotional change, but it could be more.

Middle.

Room Service

you should probably do a scene shift between the hotel worker being knocked out because you shift PoVs (third-person limited of the hotel worker to third-person limited of Ecklund (well, kinda omniscient i guess, idk, still a bit jarring so a scene shift would help)). Action without any meaning. Again.

Middle.

flerp fucked around with this message at Oct 27, 2015 around 06:05

Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007


Blood Empress of Thunderdome

Tap to emit spores


Clapping Larry

in with a

hit me with a verse

also the judges are dumb and smell lol yeah i said it what are you even gonna do

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008


Didn't even get ranked. That's cold, bro. Cold.

Kaishai
Nov 3, 2010

Scoffing at modernity.

Sitting Here posted:

in with a

hit me with a verse

also the judges are dumb and smell lol yeah i said it what are you even gonna do

Go back on my decision not to give this to anyone, that's what:

With a thought I took for Maudlin,
And a cruse of cockle pottage,
With a thing thus tall, Sky bless you all,
I befell into this dotage.

Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007


Blood Empress of Thunderdome

Tap to emit spores


Clapping Larry

fact about this week's judges: they are bad but they think they're good. they're actually bad, though.

figs to you judges

Kaishai
Nov 3, 2010

Scoffing at modernity.

Sitting Here posted:

fact about this week's judges: they are bad but they think they're good. they're actually bad, though.

figs to you judges

Oh, fine. Flash rule: Your main character is a fig farmer.

newtestleper
Oct 30, 2003


In

The palsy plagues my pulses
When I prig your pigs or pullen
Your culvers take, or matchless make
Your Chanticleer or sullen

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013



Hey guess what, this week ends one day after my deadline.

And yes, I know the song.

quote:

The moon's my constant mistress,
And the lonely owl my marrow;
The flaming drake and the night crow make
Me music to my sorrow.

Jocoserious
Jun 9, 2014

LOOK OVER HERE!!


In.

I'll bark against the Dog-Star
I'll crow away the morning
I'll chase the Moon till it be noon
And I'll make her leave her horning.

Social Studies 3rd Period
Oct 31, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER



Since I'm no longer looking for basic things like shelter, I can move up the hierarchy of needs of 'trying not to write a terrible story' - that's how it works, right?

In!

By a knight of ghosts and shadows
I summoned am to tourney
Ten leagues beyond the wide world's end-
Methinks it is no journey.

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010

This post is a problem I can't live with. And I'm fucking dead.
- Norman "Sweetheart" Rockwel


Nap Ghost

And I was hoping for kitties and unicrons with this.


gently caress it.

ANIMEWASRIGHT THE DRAMATIC READING

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Ask me about being the most Magnificent Bastard in EU4 Multiplayer.

Broenheim posted:

doubling down on poor judging

u mad, Bro?

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Ask me about being the most Magnificent Bastard in EU4 Multiplayer.

Also: in, please assign me a verse

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010

This post is a problem I can't live with. And I'm fucking dead.
- Norman "Sweetheart" Rockwel


Nap Ghost

Okay, I made that last one over KoL laughing at the guy editing all his poo poo out.

However, Broenheim seems to have made a much better drama post to drama read!

BROENHEIM SLAPS DOWN HIS DIGNITY


E: Audiobrawled, eat a dick.

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Ass-Haggis
May 27, 2011

asproigerosis confirmed


I AM PISSING MYSELF LAUGHING

Kaishai
Nov 3, 2010

Scoffing at modernity.

Obliterati posted:

Also: in, please assign me a verse

There I took a cauldron
Where boiled ten thousand harlots.
Though full of flame I drank the same
To the health of all such varlets.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



I'm in, my verse is:

With a host of furious fancies,
Whereof I am commander,
With a burning spear and a horse of air
To the wilderness I wander.

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010

This post is a problem I can't live with. And I'm fucking dead.
- Norman "Sweetheart" Rockwel


Nap Ghost

Obliterati posted:

u mad, Bro?



I don't care how this goes down or whoever is judging.

You are both getting crits by me.

In voice.

If you fail to submit you get the YOLO420~ special crit.

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.


Pillbug

Week 168 Critiques

You guys brought an action-packed week, but we judges agreed that most of the violence came at the expense of characterization. While reading, I also had the sense that many of you started late and simply ran out of time. Judging this week was pretty interesting; we had to really work for consensus on a number of these entries.

Arron and the Imp

The role of lovable rogue in this story feels like it belongs to Christina, not the protagonist -- not what I expected at first, but I can roll with it. Yours was the only one this week in which the antagonist was the sympathetic ne'er-do-well; though in an interesting inversion, Tina was, if not on God's side, at least attempting a reconciliation. As a result, she was the most interesting character in the story.

Arron's role was less enticing. I don't know why he felt such a passion for her that he hallucinated embracing her and having sloppy hell make-outs in the penultimate scene. That scene felt unnatural. It had no real build-up. We all agreed that, while you did end up with a story, the development of Arron's character, his internal conflict, and that conflict's resolution was just anemic. You could have ditched that weird romance scene entirely and worked on developing the theme of Arron's redemption, or near redemption, instead. I'm not convinced that Arron bought Tina's argument, but I also wasn't convinced that he was enticed by her charms (or driven by some bestial true nature). Why change sides when he basically has everything? His father is the Great Satan, for hell's sake.

The dialogue felt a bit stilted. Some of that is simply diction -- "inferiors" probably would have worked better than "lessers" (which sounds like "lessors," a totally different kettle of fish). Some of that awkwardness is just because so much of the dialogue was trite. Given that this story really leaned on dialogue to establish conflict, that is a serious weakness.

This was a weak entry in terms of voice and development, which frustrated me. The central conflict is good, and hell is an innately excellent setting because torment and suffering are the lot of anyone who associates with a rogue. Ultimately, the story is forgettable because it goes nowhere. I'm not convinced that Arron is in any way changed. I don't care that Tina escaped because she seems to be a nobody who in the end will fail to bring about a change in hell. First one marked as a DM/loss candidate.

A Sprinkle of Love

Noir isn't really the term I'd use to describe this story. You gave us the other side of a hard-boiled detective story. Unluckily for you (and for me, as a reader), the entire thing was predictable and really didn't bring anything new to the table.

In New York State, grand larceny in the 2nd degree (theft of property valued between $50k and <$1m) carries a pretty hefty sentence. I suppose she could have pled down to 3 years and given some lenience by the judge ~as a lady~, but I expected your detectives to be cannier after that initial exchange. Why did they just give up? Did they really show up without a warrant?

I wasn't a fan of the perspective switch at the end. On a mechanical level, your punctuation was sloppy and you definitely didn't run this through a spellchecker. Try harder to proofread. If the story won't achieve anything beyond perfunctory levels of entertainment, you should at least manage to dot your i's and cross your t's more consistently than a high schooler.

Another forgettable story. The central idea is too well-trod. You wrote a story, but too many other people have written this particular bad broad story before you. It just wasn't offensive enough for me to care to argue for a DM. Had this marked as a DM/loss candidate.

Give Him the Finger

One I disagreed with Broenheim about w/r/t placement. You got the benefit of having at least two judges with opposing tastes this week. (Let that be a note to the rest of you thieves and scoundrels if you feel the need to pander: I like sf/f.) Count yourself lucky, Scrid. I didn't realize this was yours while I read it -- I had you pegged for a different entry.

This turned out to be a pretty pleasant, pulpy entry, with a cool take on mech combat that seems like it flowed out of a joke you were making in IRC a ways back. The dialogue is schlocky but it works. Let that be a lesson to you previous two entries: if you're going to write trite dialogue, make sure it has a good flow, give your characters some back and forth. You built "Finger" out of a lot of well cared for used parts; there's a patina of age here instead of a coating of rust. It works. Out of all the stories this week, this one is among the pieces that hewed most closely to the traditional short story structure we all studied in grade school lit classes.

But the dialogue is still well-worn ground, and besides the role reversal of having the mercenary pilot be a foul-mouthed woman, it's ultimately a derivative work.

You've got hints of an interesting post-war setting sort of floating around here, and of all the characters, I enjoyed Jock the most.

You obviously understand plot and story structure. Now it's time for you to look at the material you're working on. You have to choose, and keep choosing each time you sit down to write, whether you're going to explore someone else's ideas or your own. This piece has the same weakness your food week entry.

The Tale of Shirin Who Was Not a Princess

I had this story down as a win/HM candidate.

The weakness here crept in at two junctures. Why did Shirin think she could fool the prince with such a stupid ruse? Shirin seems young -- very young -- and while a child may make stupid mistakes, this magnitude of a stupid error from a street urchin doesn't quite work. The second was with Sitt -- I'm sort of surprised she even gave a poo poo, and was briefly disoriented by that. What was her role in al-Hasan's retinue? Did Sitt really try to use the same trick as Shirin? Has everyone lost her goddamned mind?

But -- again -- this felt like it had a well-charted structure, the characters were interesting, and (most importantly) Shirin was quite loveable as the central scamp. You included some deft touches that I appreciate.

The Rake's Progress

The 2nd best part of this story is that the protagonist dies in the end. There. It had a shade of "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge." The real best part of the story is the kid. Otherwise, the story is serviceable and you bury a witty voice under purple, masturbatory inner dialogue. Please don't do that again. Mostly this protagonist was amusing because he had almost no insight into himself or his own situation and was laughably self-absorbed. This story goes in with the rest of the average entries for the week.

Cult Classic

We all had to re-read this one a few times to follow it. What "Cult Classic" did well was mimic a B-movie's structure -- weird poo poo came out of every corner to disorient the audience. The causal relationships between events in this story felt week. The experience was a disjointed one. This story actually has a number of interesting tableaux, which are another strength of cult classic media, but aren't enough to redeem the work.

When I'm reading these entries, I'm looking at the plot structure. Not just beats, but the links between them: how does the inciting event lead into the rising action? How does that action peak? What happens in the climax? What are the consequences, how do they tie into the resolution?

I was really prepared to dig into this one and enjoy. You gave us a sort of weird west/space western setting, which I can get into. It's definitely worth exploring. Once Crow starts off on her journey to Mona Manor, though, the "space" element evaporates and we're left in a post-apocalyptic wasteland of buffoons who worship an ancient sit-com straitjacketed by "least objectionable programming" theory. As a concept, it's cool, but all these cool concepts (power theft! space western setting! energy shortage! sitcom cultists! undercover cult infiltration! irritating talking toys! etc.) ended up jumbled together with no room to breathe.

And that was why this story was disappointing. Nothing had room; the story runs headlong to its conclusion, squeaking "I RUB YOU!" at us in an asthmatic wheeze as it struggles to complete its promise within the allotted 1,600 words. I don't know if my response to this story was a "we hate the ones we love" or "we love the ones we hate" reaction; I wanted more from this, I didn't get it, I was scorned. Rewritten with more length for all the ideas to grow into, or maybe re-written at the same length with some ideas pruned, this story could be glorious.

Gloria Tuesday and The Treasure of the Brass Kaiser's Airfortress

Agreed with Broenheim that this was boring. Competently written, but like "Sprinkles" before it, nothing new happened here. Gender-swapping your spy fiction protagonist is just not enough. The ending flopped. Did you run out of time and energy? What happened here? You front loaded this with a dull society scene and had me thinking the Prince was actually a significant actor here. And why did you add some Red Baron rip-off antagonist at the end? Why did you let someone else make all of the decisions about how your suave action con woman fiction should work?

I Used To Be An Adventurer Like You

I rolled my eyes at the title, but to my great shame it grew on me as the story went on. Why did you decide to dangle this bait in TD, knowing the general goonish hatred for memes? What's the metatextual joke here? What the hell is wrong with you? What the hell is wrong with me? I had this as HM material. The boring part with the shooting drones was a let down. I'm glad it was resolved quickly so that we could get on with the actual story part of this story.

I enjoyed it because I am an unrepentant sinner. Who is the lovable rogue: the cybernetic thief or the pop-cultural virus? Was this a crime caper or a romance with a dramatic meet cute in the first line? The dialogue and pacing were weirdly good given the stupid jokes. "My lover is an archaeologist: slow and patient and human, brushing back layers" is my favorite line in this entire week. That shitlord who wrote Ready Player One should look to this as an example of writing pop culture with a heavy reference ratio.

The choice between the real Martin, the person who actually exists, who has made his peace with the establishment, the reformed researcher, versus the imaginary Martin, the illusion offered by the nanobots, the aggregate entity who values Cass for what she is, that is the conflict I didn't expect, and the one I most enjoyed this week. It was a surprise gem at the bottom of a circular file. There's a brief glimpse here at perception versus reality, at what love and friendship are and how they interact with the growth and change of the object of that love -- Martin changed, Cass can't accept it; Cass can't go straight, Martin can't accept it.

The Tower of Cortťs

This felt unfinished. Lovely voice -- my uncontested favorite on that level by far -- but the story itself didn't grab me. Maybe it's because I'm the same kind of low level functionary as Alonso, but the resolution here feels, if you'll forgive the comparison, too much like any paper transaction. Something nominally changes, but nothing has been accomplished.

A cartographer pushes a pencil. A cartographer erases some lines. Nothing has been prevented. War will come. The delay is meaningless; the act barely qualifies as sabotage. A pencil-pusher can do more damage. He could make a bigger statement. He could impose a greater obstacle. Alonso doesn't even come off as a rogue, which is quite the accomplishment for a conquistador.

Did Alonso change? I don't think so. He didn't strike me as a true believer at the beginning of the story. Nothing about him seems to have changed at the conclusion. Beautifully written but weightless. A well-painted house of cards. Did you run out of steam?

Taking Notes

This story won by debate. We had a number of good entries this week and agreeing on a winner took some discussion. Everyone had different favorites this week. "Notes" wasn't my favorite, but it was also a strong contender. I enjoyed reading it and I didn't wind up feeling frustrated or misled. My expectations were well managed. That's probably a good lesson for most of us to learn: how to ration the reader's attention, how to fulfill the promises we've made. Both times I've come to support a Kai story for the win, and it's come down to story structure. This is how to write a lower case "f" fantasy tale without the sensation of trying to cram in too many disparate elements.

Though throwing a treat into a ventilation shaft doesnít work for Terry

I didn't really care for the retrospective structure here. It feels uneconomical. You lose intimacy when using that perspective, it adds distance even though the perspective is first person.

On the other hand, I enjoyed the international lady of murderin's voice here. That actually gave me a chuckle. The tone was consistent, which is important for a sort of jokey, sort of confessional piece -- it's a hard balance to strike. But I don't care about dogs, I don't think that dogs make assholes inherently lovable, and as a trope it's tired as hell. I wasn't over the moon at the "reveal" that murderlady loved her dog. That's expected. When you expect the development, the impact is mitigated. This revelation was so well-telegraphed that aliens are even now discussing the importance of dogs in permitting humans who inhabit different ethical paradigms to relate to each other.

Where Broenheim was enchanted, I was alienated. Was this a love letter to Bro? Are you there, dog? It's me, RT. That's the level of exhausted territory being worked over here.

Chase in the Lisbon Hilton

Strange shades of the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle. Very little characterization of Frankie. I don't care about her character. I don't know precisely what she's protesting. Does she hate fancy hotels? Is she afraid of what men in suits are doing to her country? Is she concerned about anthropogenic climate change? Why does a big rear end banner with a peace sign soothe the savage breast? I feel a little weird, because I sympathize with an idealistic heroine, but I don't know until the end that she's just a kid with a dream that people will quit being dicks. It's a good dream, but her naivete isn't really developed as a theme here.

Part of me thinks this was supposed to be a little over the top, a little goofy, and I should just go with the resolution and the sudden pool party, but the delivery doesn't work, and I'm left unconvinced. Maybe a little more interaction between her desires and others' (besides her desire to show off sweet rear end bike tricks), or just a little more character interaction in general, would bring this whole thing in line.

Is this the second or third roguish redhead? Bro noticed this, too. Redheads as rule-breakers, defiers of authority, etc. seem to be A Thing, but it's not damning. Just interesting to note.

Theatrics

Arson fairy is only tolerable, not lovable. Manic internal dialogue doesn't make a character lovable. Too much space is wasted on drivel. The character's weird fetish for startin' poo poo is the most promising start of this story, but she doesn't change and the story ends before we see her face consequences for her stupid decision to commit arson.

The Adventures of Nobeard the Pirate, Age 6

I guess I have to add another element to the list of things that don't work for me: children. I don't find them automatically hilarious. The humor didn't work for me, and without that, the piece didn't work as a story. I did crack a smile, maybe, at the parrot in the very end. What happened? What changed? Little kid wanders off, comes home with a parrot, the end.

I actually expected the mother to play a bigger role here, so I was a bit surprised when the cap'n was handed off to his sister. Sister was kind of interesting, but it was more of a situational interest -- her attitude about the cap'n's (gently caress apostrophes) little adventure was probably the best part. When she eschews responsibility for his shenanigans at the end in a kind of not my monkey, not my circus surrender, that's the strongest "kind of interesting" bit. It looks like a little rebellion against the brother's keeper role, a kind of initial boundary setting between being a child and being an adult.

The word economy -- the diction -- is admirable, though.

Going Rogue

One thing I appreciate about this week is that Morning Bell gave a bunch of you an incentive to write female characters. One thing I dislike about this week is that "rogue" got everyone laser-focused on situations and some of you forgot to flesh out what was happening with various characters. I thought this story was going to be about a debt collector's interactions with the real scum of society. That's not how things go, though. Tamsin's father actually turns out to be central to the conflict, but he never shows up and I haven't the foggiest idea of what the hell the dragon is going on about at the end. What has Tamsin done that's so remarkable? Did she chain her father to the radiator so he couldn't gamble away their money anymore, so that hopefully someday soon, she could be liberated from his all-consuming debt? I feel like I've missed something, but I didn't find it after a re-read.

The reveal was actually pretty neat, and I also appreciate the draconic financial logistics here, but that whole monologue sucked the tension out of the story. When Tamsin burns an un-burnable dossier, it's just a kind of "what the poo poo?" moment. Were the torches dragon fire? That seems to be the implication. But why would Tamsin burn the file under Mr. Scarborough's watchful eye instead of just disappearing the paper?

Room Service

Kind of surprised you had something like three perspective changes here, Mr. Seafood. This one was the ultimate extreme on high action, low characterization. None of the rogues were lovable. What are these people even trying to merc each other for, and why do I care?

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Ironic Twist
Aug 3, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER



OBLITERATI-BROENHEIM MEME BRAWL

Prompt: Make a story out of this:



...and a meme of your choice.

Word limit: 2000
Deadline: 2359 EST Tuesday, Nov. 10
No: Fanfic, nonfic, erotica

Morning Bell
Feb 23, 2006



Yams Fan

What I Did During Week 168 by M. Bell (age 9).

This week was good! It also had lots of one-dimensional characters and pointless action, which was not good.

Regarding the former, thereís a post in Fiction Advice by Dr. Kloctopussy that would help a lot of authors: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...1#post451883035

Regarding action - a lot of it felt meaningless. Action scenes have no tension if we donít care about the stakes. If someone is fighting a mob boss or escaping a wizard, I want to know what's a stake and I want to care about what happens if they succeed or fail. Even if the action is super clever and everybody yells witty zingers, thatís not enough. if I donít give a poo poo, itíll leave me flat. This happened a bit this week.

As RedTonic said, judging was interesting. We all liked this week but there wasnít that much consensus about our winners and HMs.

The other judges hit a lot of excellent points in their crit posts. My notes for each story are below.

Arron and the Imp

The dialogue is super cliche. Arron speaks like a bad B-movie villain.

I like that this story doesnít waste many words on description. Paragraphs are sparse and concentrate on the characters. However, the settings details that are present are very generic and donít give me a good feel for the setting. Sparse details is good but theyíd work better if they were specific and creative.

Whatís the motivation for the imp? Why is she doing this? Why is there love? Thatís a major failing of the story. Arronís conflicted feelings about the imp are good and Lucifer-dad is good but this couldíve been so much more. This did have a certain charm, too.

Fun, though. Low / Middle pile.

A Sprinke of Love

Immediately, thereís movie-itis (You donít have to tell us every action characters perform - lines like "they left the car and went in the building" are unnecessary).

Bad start. Cut everything before ďDetective Stark, what a pleasantÖĒ and itís so much stronger.

Exposition through dialogue feels a bit forced, too. But I like the dialogue, other than that. Each person has distinct voice.

This is pleasant enough to read and Iím along with it but itís all very straight and not really interesting, at the end. When I turned off judgemode, I recognised you from the falafel story from food week. Thank you for entering again! Your writing is much cleaner in this piece, but the ideas just aren't there.

Low / Middle pile

Give Him The Finger

I donít personally like this genre and style, so take my words with a grain of salt. Iíll try to be objective.

The rogue too over-the-top at times, although sheís interesting enough for what youíre doing (props for that). The mech is probably good too, if youíre into that sort of thing.

Some of the jokesÖ uhhh, please donít do this. Weíre not children.

This is too wacky. Needs to be toned way down. To be a massive dick for a second - much of this story reads like "nerd edgy-humour" stuff, and many parts are juvenile and irritating (although there are some good lines here and there, too).

Half-way through I expected this story to bore me to death but the husband-reveal, and the ending, added a much-needed dimension. Objectively-speaking, this is probably middle-of-the-road OK stuff (subjectively-speaking this is a bouquet of tropes that I do not dig). Some of the details were great (I know people who roll cigarettes from the pocket remains of cigarettes) and some were cringe-worthy. One judge had it for a DM candidate and the other for an HM (I think?), and I was satisfied to see it flop around in the swampy middle pile.

Broís advice about ~being true to yourself~ is sweet and probably spot on. I donít know you very well, but it did feel like you were trying very hard to write what you think a cool story should be like? I know every time Iíve done that in the Dome (which is a lot), I've ended up flopping hard. Iíd love to see you forget tropes and cliches and just write about something you really give a poo poo and care about. Turn off your TV. Bleed all over that keyboard (metaphorically).

A very swampy middle pile. Couldn't be more middle if it tried.

The Tale of Shirin Who Was Not A Princess

Very competent.

I like this. Good setting, character, writing. Good start.

The thing is, nothing touches me in the heart or really makes me feel this. Itís all nice and well-done but this story doesnít make me care super much. Shirinís ruse felt a bit unrealistic - did she really think thatíd work?

Anyway, maybe the tension is off or there was a fly buzzing around while I read this. It didnít really hit me, but I think thatís subjective. This is legitimately pretty good. Other judges liked it more.

HM candidate.

The Rakeís Progress

Prose is too flowery. This works in bits (Hopeless fool! Miserable romantic!) but the whole way through - itís irritating. Does the protagonist really think like this, all the time? Does anyone?

I really like the foppishness of the protagonist - mirror basin razor, nice touch. Heís definitely a rogue, and not that loveable, but I really like that - heís got thorns. ďToo foppish. See you at the gallows, fopĒ is probably line of the week, too.

This over-explains and does not trust the reader. This is a huge problem. For example: It was a reminder of the world outside, so long denied to me and soon to be forever lost. Cut that sentence. Re-read that paragraph. It's much stronger now. Let the reader work things out.

I didn't like the ending - boring.

Middle Low Pile.

Cult Classic

This is really not good. I donít like the writing here. It's confusing. I literally have to re-read paragraphs. Please read your story out loud before submitting. This piece communicates with the reader very poorly and was a massive chore to get through.

There is genre stuff but I have no feel or image of the setting. Iím not there - thereís just strange words on a page and I'm struggling to follow them. No evocative details, just sloppy strew. I cannot imagine or feel anything. Iím drowning in word-soup.

I have no sense of Crow, I donít care, Iím not invested. The whole thing is very one-dimensional, and this is killer for a prompt like this.

Sorry, mate - in a weaker week, this probably wouldnít have lost, because it's not an abomination or anything, but this was clearly the worst story of the lot during a strong week.

Low pile, DM/loss candidate.

Gloria Tuesday and the etc etc

First impression: clumsy sentences. Theyíre too long and full of bad exposition. Before submitting a story, please read it out loud - that helps catch stuff like the word-porridge in the opening paragraph (and in a lot of others).

A lot of these bloated sentences are a chore to read, too. Much less detail, sprinkled in the right places, would fix issue.

The setting is cool. The Brass Kaiser, Gem of the East. Gloria Tuesday. Evocative names. Last line was a nice touch, too. Thereís too much setting though! Cut poo poo out and make me care about Gloria. Give us something more than just a one-dimensional action hero.

Fun, good feel. One-dimensional character canít carry a flash fiction piece. Take an axe to this and add some depth, and this could be great.

Middle pile. Could really dance with heavy editing.

I Used to Be An Adventurer Like You

Are you loving serious?

The character has a strong, engaging voice. Her relationship with Martin, her motivations, feelings, desperation, are all very well executed. This piece hooked me from the beginning and kept me hooked to the end. This is a good story. The bit where the protag was getting shot at was weak, though. Itís the relationship between Martin and her that makes this sing.

gently caress you. This was great. Two of the judges would have probably been OK with a win for this.

HM

Tower of Cortes

Starting with focus on the non-POV character jolts the reader a bit.

Oh gently caress, this writing is so pretty. I read this three times in a row.

The end came on too sudden. The decision to erase the map was a bit easy. Somewhat of a letdown.

Even so, for me this is a strong HM / win candidate

Taking Notes

Good writing! And there she was with the smell of the dorm smoke clinging to her brassy hair, which needed a trim. Ah, well. I dig this.

This is pretty and competent writing and a neat setting. The call-back to the game at the start is very well done. Itís fun without being wacky or silly.

The story and the plot is a little by-the-numbers, though. Itís still a solid entry, but I don't think this was anyone's first choice for a win. This took the week by consensus. Itís a hard one to fault, but it was a bit straight for me.

HM/win candidate

Though throwing a treat into a ventilation shaft doesnít work for Terry is a title I really like.

I laughed out loud several times.

Good end. Touching. Good writing. I love this rogue. This rogue is a real rogue.

Hereís my issue with this piece: most of it happens as recollections. Kinda feels like itís perfect-past tense instead of past, you know? So that takes a lot of oomph and drama out of it. When the three men attack, for example, thereís not much tension because itís the protag recollecting everything. This deflates your baloon.

Legitimately touching. HM candidate.

Chase in the Lisbon Hilton

Too much action at the start. I only start to care about the story when we find out about the banner and her Estonian friend (and not a great deal - itís not that engaging). I need to know whatís at stake to care about action sequences.

I donít mind this but it needed so much less action and so much more depth. Like, this reads like a first draft except the writing style has been cleaned up and polished a bit. Sure, you've got these words, you know what happens and what the story is about. Sure, doing BMX stunts and protesting with banners is pretty neat. Now, if this was re-written from scratch to have way more attention on the people and their relationships and the protest and its implications - and way less attention on BMX stunts - you could have something that really glows. Please check out my notes for Going Rogue by Fumblemouse - they apply to this story, too.

Middle.

Theatrics

Again, a story that starts with action. I wonít care about action without context. However, I like the voice of the protag. Endearing. So I care a little.

Goes full-bore with the character voice, which I respect.

Other stories this week trump this one because itís a tad one-dimensional, still. Our protagonist is so awesome and thereís awesome action - and thatís actually not interesting at all. Her take on the world is actually interesting, though, so the story held together by her voice and her thoughts, which are really cool and fresh and I like it - but nothing really changes from beginning to end. I'd flag it for an HM if it had depth. Thereís a lot of Ďtellingí, but I think itís appropriate for the story, sure.

High Middle

Captain Nobeard and the best story title this week

Iím grinning while I read this. This is great. Writing is solid. Wonderful economy of words. The Captain sure has an adventure!

The thing is, if this kid stuff doesnít work for you, thereís not a great deal to go on. Weíre home safe and the world hasnít really changed.

Still, for me, strong HM / Win candidate

Going Rogue

Writing is competent enough, settingís well-done too, but this didnít do it for me. The dragon bit is neat. I think you found the real interesting part of the story at the very end - her father (who we donít even see). Again, this is one of those times (like with newtestleperís story, as well) where you write a piece, and the piece is passable and thereís nice details and some bunting and lacey curtains and whatnot - but then you realise youíve glossed over the real interesting bits while concentrating on the window dressing (I say this because I do this a lot in my own writing, except without the ďreal interesting bitĒ part). The nugget, the core of the story that can really makes this sing, would be the stuff about Tamsynís father. So a re-write of this, putting that bit in focus, would've been great.

Middle.

Room Service

Snappy writing and cool action. That doesn't do it for me, unfortunately. This was a last-minute sub and Iím impressed that it doesnít show with your writing style, actually - I wouldnít call this rushed or anything. Itís nice and crispy.

I know you were worried about the action. The action in this piece is very good. The problem is thereís not enough context behind it to make the reader care. The characters are evocative and the rogue is witty and itís a well-done piece, but without knowing and caring more about whatís at stake, without more depth, even good action writing is going to leave the reader flat.

Middle

Hey alright thank you for a nice week!

Morning Bell fucked around with this message at Oct 28, 2015 around 06:02

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Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER



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