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Nerwign
Dec 7, 2012




Hood Ornament posted:

I buy from them too - cheaper and nicer than RodentPro, in my experience.

Except for the fiasco that was my order over Christmas holiday, I generally would recommend them. I feel their quality is very high and Chris is nice. I've been using them for 10 years, but on several occasions they have told me they were shipping something, and then didn't ship it until 1-2 weeks later and no one contacted me to let me know. This last issue happened when I was out of town for the holiday and my pet sitter was anxiously waiting for the food to arrive in the mail because I was getting lower and lower and eventually I ran out and she had to go to a local pet store and buy rats (costing almost $100) just to last to the end of my vacation. Big Cheese apologized and admitted someone should have contacted me, but the fact is they didn't and it's happened with them at least three or four times.

This recent order from them arrived THREE WEEKS after I ordered it. Not acceptable without an update to the customer. I am not using them again and will have to find another supplier. At this time I'm leaning towards using http://www.laynelabs.com/


I warn people away from Rodent Pro - if you are buying rats of size medium or smaller, or mice, they are probably fine, but all of the large or bigger rats I've purchased from them have high fat content and consistently appeared very unhealthy on the inside. (outside looked fine) They have also sold me rats that were OBVIOUSLY Zucker Fatty rats (lab designed "obese" rats for obesity testing) and then vehemently denied doing so over the phone. Very unprofessional and disgusting quality rats in larger sizes. Really gross.

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DiverTwig
Jul 23, 2003
I ignore all NWS Tags, my Boss's like porn

I don't need to order much, I've only got two ball pythons, but I use laynelabs.com and so far they have been oustanding. I usually order on a tuesday morning knowing that I'll get them friday afternoon if I do so. I highly recommend them.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




OneTwentySix posted:

Overlap in interest. People that keep herps tend to keep inverts and vice versa, and lots of people keep inverts as feeders.

Have ants.

Can confirm.

Aphelion Necrology
Jul 17, 2005

Take care of the dead and the dead will take care of you


Bobbaganoosh posted:

Pretty animal, Eggs!

Sounds like quite a case of RI. For RI, I treat with a repti-fogger with 4ml F10 SCXD Veterinary Cleansing-Sanitizer and fill the rest with water. Pipe the fogger into a decent-sized rubbermaid with holes in it. Place the snake in. Run for 20 minutes. Turn it off and let the animal sit for another 20 and repeat daily for 2 weeks. Not sure how effective this would be for advanced RI, but it was effective against a moderate case. Unlike antibiotics, F10 is a disinfectant and mighty potent, so keep the dosage low if you go that route. The method has worked a half dozen times for me with no casualties. Use at your own risk, as some species may be more sensitive than others. But it has worked successfully for me with north american rat snakes, a python, and a rattlesnake.

Apparently there are cheaper foggers out there than the ZooMed one, which I use. It's handy to humidify a few of my animals' cages a couple times a week (green rats, rubber and rainbow boas, coxi) in addition to their humid hides. They seem to enjoy the interruption to the dry desert air here.

Edit: typos.

This is a good post. Also, I've seen some snakes that had bad RI's or multiple RIs and even after they recovered they sort of...sounded lovely forever? Definitely see what your Vet says, but you might just have to rename him Wheezy.

the yeti
Mar 29, 2008

I FUCKING LOVE COCAINE



Since we're talking feeders what ever happened with Rodentpro and that supposed disease/quarantine issue or w/e a while back? I remember it being a thing on faunaclassifieds but that site's such a goddamn cesspool it's physically painful to go wading through.

Aphelion Necrology
Jul 17, 2005

Take care of the dead and the dead will take care of you


They tested positive at one of their facilities for LCMV in 2012 - as far as I know only 14 customers may have received contaminated mice? The big issue was that RP really poo poo the bed as far as their reaction to the situation. They didn't inform those customers or anyone, until the CDC basically made a public report about it. By then, two months had passed, and at least one of the possibly infected customers was a reseller so...

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


Bobbaganoosh posted:

Pretty animal, Eggs!

Sounds like quite a case of RI. For RI, I treat with a repti-fogger with 4ml F10 SCXD Veterinary Cleansing-Sanitizer and fill the rest with water. Pipe the fogger into a decent-sized rubbermaid with holes in it. Place the snake in. Run for 20 minutes. Turn it off and let the animal sit for another 20 and repeat daily for 2 weeks. Not sure how effective this would be for advanced RI, but it was effective against a moderate case. Unlike antibiotics, F10 is a disinfectant and mighty potent, so keep the dosage low if you go that route. The method has worked a half dozen times for me with no casualties. Use at your own risk, as some species may be more sensitive than others. But it has worked successfully for me with north american rat snakes, a python, and a rattlesnake.

Apparently there are cheaper foggers out there than the ZooMed one, which I use. It's handy to humidify a few of my animals' cages a couple times a week (green rats, rubber and rainbow boas, coxi) in addition to their humid hides. They seem to enjoy the interruption to the dry desert air here.

Edit: typos.

I've heard about that method before. I might give it a try if my vet has no more ideas. Ugh I hate people who dump sick snakes. I also hate the person that adopted him for a month before me and then turned him back in with no comment about his RI.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?


Grimey Drawer

My female hoggie Alice dropped about a dozen eggs yesterday. Since she was still laying, I left her alone. This morning, no eggs, and slightly fatter Alice. Well, I think they were slugs at least.

What is a good price for an albino ball python? I have a male and female from our September hatch that I'd like to move, but no one around here has albinos for sale.

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


I just rearranged all of my snakes (and a frog, i guess too) and I must show off because it looks awesome.



SO MANY SNEK

Silver Nitrate fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jan 24, 2015

Fluffy Bunnies
Jan 9, 2009

We'll roll on with our heads held high.
Our conscience in the gutter,
Our dreams up in the sky.




Orange cubes are supposed to be refridgerated after opening.

Aphelion Necrology
Jul 17, 2005

Take care of the dead and the dead will take care of you


Cowslips Warren posted:

My female hoggie Alice dropped about a dozen eggs yesterday. Since she was still laying, I left her alone. This morning, no eggs, and slightly fatter Alice. Well, I think they were slugs at least.

What is a good price for an albino ball python? I have a male and female from our September hatch that I'd like to move, but no one around here has albinos for sale.

Circle of life~

I usually search forums and websites to get a good idea of what a certain snake will sell for, and then bump it down a small percentage if I need to clear out quickly.

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


Fluffy Bunnies posted:

Orange cubes are supposed to be refridgerated after opening.

lol poo poo thanks

My crickets are probably drunk on fermented orange cube now

Aphelion Necrology
Jul 17, 2005

Take care of the dead and the dead will take care of you


Silver Nitrate posted:

lol poo poo thanks

My crickets are probably drunk on fermented orange cube now

Yeah, I'm not seeing the problem.

Eifert Posting
Mar 31, 2007

Atkins Diet


Grimey Drawer

Just think of it as running an Aztec cricket enclosure. If I remember right they got their sacrificial participants blasted and laid the night before.

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


I saw a car with a grenade sticker parked at the reptile store today. WHICH ONE OF YOU

Troutful
May 31, 2011



Does anyone have a good method for getting mineral stains out of glass? I have anoles and I just moved into a new place where the water's noticeably harder and starting to leave stains on the walls of their tanks after misting. I'm going to invest in a water filter, but if anyone can suggest cleaning products (which would have to be non-toxic, since the anoles lick the walls of their tanks), that would be great.

Fluffy Bunnies
Jan 9, 2009

We'll roll on with our heads held high.
Our conscience in the gutter,
Our dreams up in the sky.




Troutful posted:

Does anyone have a good method for getting mineral stains out of glass? I have anoles and I just moved into a new place where the water's noticeably harder and starting to leave stains on the walls of their tanks after misting. I'm going to invest in a water filter, but if anyone can suggest cleaning products (which would have to be non-toxic, since the anoles lick the walls of their tanks), that would be great.

A light wipe of vinegar might help. Very very diluted vinegar. But usually I just wipe off the walls and deal with it.

Silver Nitrate, it was me. It was me all along.

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011


Regular no-additive magic eraser

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


This is my new project, a feeder gecko colony. I just got them a few days ago, but one came gravid, so hopefully I don't gently caress that up with my drunk crickets. As you can see, I also have the hard water stains.

Eifert Posting
Mar 31, 2007

Atkins Diet


Grimey Drawer

Geckos are so boss how could you feed them to what are probably dumb and boring snakes?

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


Eifert Posting posted:

Geckos are so boss how could you feed them to what are probably dumb and boring snakes?

I keep Candoia. A lot of them only eat lizards.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?


Grimey Drawer

Eifert Posting posted:

Geckos are so boss how could you feed them to what are probably dumb and boring snakes?

There's a lady I know in our cat rescue group who maintains feeding raw meat is the best diet for cats and dogs.

Somehow she didn't think it was funny when I said all my snake get raw meat. Mice is meat!

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007



This morning, our male bearded dragon tried to eat the female's tail And not just once, we had to separate them and give the male a bunch of worms to eat. Problem is, they spend half of the day completely unattended and I'm afraid it could happen again, and he could seriously hurt her (he's like three times her size). Anyone else had something like this happen? I still can't fully believe it actually happened

VVV e: We were trying to breed them, but either the male is a hopeless virgoon (he mounts her, bites her behind the head and then... nothing) or the size difference makes mating physically impossible. I'll tell my girlfriend about separating them, but it's her call anyway, she's their caretaker

hackbunny fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jan 26, 2015

Aphelion Necrology
Jul 17, 2005

Take care of the dead and the dead will take care of you


hackbunny posted:

This morning, our male bearded dragon tried to eat the female's tail And not just once, we had to separate them and give the male a bunch of worms to eat. Problem is, they spend half of the day completely unattended and I'm afraid it could happen again, and he could seriously hurt her (he's like three times her size). Anyone else had something like this happen? I still can't fully believe it actually happened

Separate them and keep them separate.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!


hackbunny posted:

VVV e: We were trying to breed them, but either the male is a hopeless virgoon (he mounts her, bites her behind the head and then... nothing) or the size difference makes mating physically impossible. I'll tell my girlfriend about separating them, but it's her call anyway, she's their caretaker
What are your intentions for breeding? If you are just interested in having additional animals, and can care for them, cool. If you are looking to sell them, there's probably no huge demand for them where it's gonna be worth your time and effort, and you may just end up with a bunch of animals you don't have room for.

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007



e: ^^^^ girlfriend likes to play god, so it will be its own reward. Her intention is to sell, but knowing her, I can't rule out she'll eat them if it doesn't pan out

e2: kidding aside, seems her backup plan is to barter the young with pet shops in exchange for pet food, sand, etc.

Nevermind, he nibbled on her tail again She's moving in the other half of the terrarium, but we'll have to make room for the corn snake somewhere else. This is... unfortunate

hackbunny fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 26, 2015

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007







Smellrose

I don't know for beardies, but with cresties, tail biting seems to be related to using worms/grubs as food items. Especially because of the contrasting colors on tails (an adaptation that makes tail dropping more effective as a decoy when escaping a predator).

If you never feed your cresties worms, tail biting seems to not happen.

Aphelion Necrology
Jul 17, 2005

Take care of the dead and the dead will take care of you


Breeding for no/dumb reasons aside, why are you trying to breed a pair of dragons if the female is a third of the size of the male...?

Breeding a female too young is really dangerous for her just beyond the whole 'male wrecking her poo poo' thing. Geez.

Aphelion Necrology fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jan 26, 2015

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


I do work with a reptile rescue and we get a beardie a week, at least. They are very hard to adopt out to (even with the low adoption fee of $5). If your beardies aren't fancy colors there is no market for them at all, just like normal ball pythons.

Edit: I figure you all might be interested in what comes in during an average month. Typically we will have 8 normal ball pythons, 3 red eared sliders, 1 sulcata, 2 normal BCIs, 1 retic or burm, 3 corn snakes, 1 kingsnake, 6 beardies, 2 leos (these go super quick), 1 russian tortoise, 1 iguana (usually euthanized, no space) and one or two really weird things.

Silver Nitrate fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 27, 2015

Fluffy Bunnies
Jan 9, 2009

We'll roll on with our heads held high.
Our conscience in the gutter,
Our dreams up in the sky.




Silver Nitrate posted:

I do work with a reptile rescue and we get a beardie a week, at least. They are very hard to adopt out to (even with the low adoption fee of $5). If your beardies aren't fancy colors there is no market for them at all, just like normal ball pythons.

Edit: I figure you all might be interested in what comes in during an average month. Typically we will have 8 normal ball pythons, 3 red eared sliders, 1 sulcata, 2 normal BCIs, 1 retic or burm, 3 corn snakes, 1 kingsnake, 6 beardies, 2 leos (these go super quick), 1 russian tortoise, 1 iguana (usually euthanized, no space) and one or two really weird things.

Mail me the Iguanas so I can use them to smite my enemies

I wonder if beardie hatchlings would be a viable food source. Like, kingsnake breeders feed normal ball pythons and corn snakes to their kings all the time. I wonder if boring rear end beardie hatchlings could be as useful.

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


I dunno, I tried to use a f/t kinked beardie I got from a breeder as a feeder and no one wanted it. I think they might be too pokey.

Be careful what you wish for bunnies I have a really big box and a fedex account.

Silver Nitrate fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jan 27, 2015

Big Centipede
Mar 20, 2009

it tingles


Silver Nitrate posted:

I dunno, I tried to use a f/t kinked one I got from a breeder as a feeder and no one wanted it. I think they might be too pokey.

Ive seen monitors eat them. Monitors will eat anything though.

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT


Big Centipede posted:

Ive seen monitors eat them. Monitors will eat anything though.

Monitors are loving badass

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG!!!




Bleak Gremlin

Cowslips Warren posted:

There's a lady I know in our cat rescue group who maintains feeding raw meat is the best diet for cats and dogs.

Somehow she didn't think it was funny when I said all my snake get raw meat. Mice is meat!

As long as they get bone in their meat, otherwise they can get metabolic bone disease just like lizards that eat undusted crickets.

e. I am not saying anything about whether it is "the best diet"

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007



Hood Ornament posted:

Breeding for no/dumb reasons aside, why are you trying to breed a pair of dragons if the female is a third of the size of the male...?

Less than a third actually. Bluto (♂) is ~300 grams, Olive (♀) is ~90 grams, I forget the exact weights but that gives you an idea. I disclaim any responsibility, my girlfriend takes care of them, and breeding to sell was her idea. For what it's worth, she says she's done the barter thing before, with goldfish. Me, I just enjoy the comedy value of a completely mismatched couple, like when he walks around with her resting on his back (at least, I used to enjoy it until he tried to eat her)

supermikhail
Nov 17, 2012


"It's video games, Scully."
Video games?"
"He enlists the help of strangers to make his perfect video game. When he gets bored of an idea, he murders them and moves on to the next, learning nothing in the process."
"Hmm... interesting."


This thread is raw. I thought I was okay with herps (?)... and I think I still am, but primates are frankly starting to give me the creeps.

Anyway, I'm not an owner or an aspiring owner, but I have some questions, relevant to the following:

OP posted:

Crocodilians: Do I really need to explain this one?

I'm listening to an audiobook by a biologist who has spent a lot of time studying crocodilian behavior. He mentioned at one point that some crocodilians are kept as pets without problems, and this was both surprising and expected to me, because I'd been thinking about intelligence and pets, and while I've heard many a time that crocodilians are untameable, savage beasts, at the same time I know that they are social and hierarchical, which should be a good foundation for domestication.

So, I'm confused. Any help, thoughts, (un)educated opinions?

Also, the same author expressed an opinion that it's not helpful to include crocodilians into the field of herpetology, because herpetologists aren't used to dealing with social animals. And now it turns out that herpetophiles aren't that fond of them either. So I have to ask, are they, in fact, herps?

Big Centipede
Mar 20, 2009

it tingles


supermikhail posted:

This thread is raw. I thought I was okay with herps (?)... and I think I still am, but primates are frankly starting to give me the creeps.

Anyway, I'm not an owner or an aspiring owner, but I have some questions, relevant to the following:


I'm listening to an audiobook by a biologist who has spent a lot of time studying crocodilian behavior. He mentioned at one point that some crocodilians are kept as pets without problems, and this was both surprising and expected to me, because I'd been thinking about intelligence and pets, and while I've heard many a time that crocodilians are untameable, savage beasts, at the same time I know that they are social and hierarchical, which should be a good foundation for domestication.

So, I'm confused. Any help, thoughts, (un)educated opinions?

Also, the same author expressed an opinion that it's not helpful to include crocodilians into the field of herpetology, because herpetologists aren't used to dealing with social animals. And now it turns out that herpetophiles aren't that fond of them either. So I have to ask, are they, in fact, herps?

I see no reason why they wouldn't be? they're not the only social reptiles. Right off the bat I can think of garter snakes, montpellier snakes, and a few skink species that have some degree of social behavior. Montpillier snakes even have a form of hierarchy which even has lower members offering prey to higher ranked members.

I have a friend that used to breed West African dwarf crocodiles, American alligators, and Morlett's crocodiles. He said they could be surprisingly smart. Some would recognize the feeding bucket and come calmly while others would charge him and go batshit when they saw it.

German documentary showing social behavior of montpillier snakes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-JBNqnybB4

supermikhail
Nov 17, 2012


"It's video games, Scully."
Video games?"
"He enlists the help of strangers to make his perfect video game. When he gets bored of an idea, he murders them and moves on to the next, learning nothing in the process."
"Hmm... interesting."


Oooh. You didn't intend it as such, but thank you for that excellent piece of language practice. (So clearly spoken!)

Okay. Well, the guy is actually not a herpetologist, he said he didn't want to specialize too narrowly, so he became an ethologist. He probably missed those.

Anyway, why is the OP so dismissive of crocodilians, then?

Big Centipede
Mar 20, 2009

it tingles


supermikhail posted:

Oooh. You didn't intend it as such, but thank you for that excellent piece of language practice. (So clearly spoken!)

Okay. Well, the guy is actually not a herpetologist, he said he didn't want to specialize too narrowly, so he became an ethologist. He probably missed those.

Anyway, why is the OP so dismissive of crocodilians, then?

They are for only the most advanced and wealthy keepers. I've been keeping herps for 20 years and I couldnt properly care for even a west African dwarf. At only 4 - 5 feet, they'd still need a shitload of room to keep them happy. Not to mention cleaning crocodile poo poo out of a large pool of water and feeding the drat things.

If I win the lottery, I'll get some, otherwise I'll stick with more easy to maintain species.

Forgot to mention psammophis species. I briefly kept P. sibilans and mossambicus and saw mutual rubbing behavior in pairs (they annoint themselves with a clear substance from their jaws that supposedly helps minimized water loss). My friend is more familiar with them though as I was merely keeping his snakes for a few weeks while he was moving.

Big Centipede fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Jan 27, 2015

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supermikhail
Nov 17, 2012


"It's video games, Scully."
Video games?"
"He enlists the help of strangers to make his perfect video game. When he gets bored of an idea, he murders them and moves on to the next, learning nothing in the process."
"Hmm... interesting."


Big Centipede posted:

They are for only the most advanced and wealthy keepers. I've been keeping herps for 20 years and I couldnt properly care for even a west African dwarf. At only 4 - 5 feet, they'd still need a shitload of room to keep them happy. Not to mention cleaning crocodile poo poo out of a large pool of water and feeding the drat things.

If I win the lottery, I'll get some, otherwise I'll stick with more easy to maintain species.

Oh. Apologies. I think I misinterpreted the intent of that list in the OP.

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