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massive spider posted:Also radiohead are another obvious ripoff point for muse but they too probably could have done a sick rear end track about drone warfare. Interestingly enough both Radiohead and Muse have used 1984 as a point of reference for at least one of their songs (Radiohead's 2+2=5 and Muse's United States of Eurasia). Yorke is a much better lyricist than Bellamy will ever be though.
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Madkal posted:Interestingly enough both Radiohead and Muse have used 1984 as a point of reference for at least one of their songs (Radiohead's 2+2=5 and Muse's United States of Eurasia). Resistance too. YOU'LL WAKE THE THOUGHT POLICE~~~~
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That train goes all the way to Citizen Erased. I like 'Drones' just fine, but comparing it to their older records makes me a bit sad. The older lyrical style (OoS - Black Holes) was just less ... silly. The Resistance onwards just seems to be very literal and direct. It's one thing to write about lofty, 'high minded' global issues and interpersonal trauma, but stuff like "I'll be your commander-in-chief" is just so blunt it feels comedic. It feels like all the poetry has leaked out.
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The lyrics and the singing in general have gotten a lot worse. He's got no edge to his voice anymore. If you listen to stuff from hullabaloo, Matt's sound is just so much more intense and good. Now he can only sing in a really soft and generic way. Combine that with the poo poo lyrics and it's gotten really grating.
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I saw them last week in London. It was still good. The 'in the round' stage is a good idea and the overall production is very high quality. They released a bunch of standing tickets close to the event so i sold my seated ones and got standing. This was a good idea as even at the back you are really close. Plus it was super easy to get to the front. I moved forwards for the encore and ended up 1 row back from the barrier which is something that would have been impossible any other time I've seen them. We got butterflies and hurricanes, plug in baby, Stockholm syndrome, take a bow, a bunch of new ones, nothing from showbiz. Biggest unexpected audience pop of the night was for Mercy (!?) which goes to show that many of the fans must actually prefer the new material. I don't like their new albums much but will probably see them next time they come round as well.
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GTO posted:I saw them last week in London. It was still good. The 'in the round' stage is a good idea and the overall production is very high quality. Yeah, when I saw them in London I wondered what the hell the pop for Mercy was about. That song's loving dull.
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Apr 25, 2016 15:54
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I wonder if it's been on an advert or TV show or something?
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GTO posted:I wonder if it's been on an advert or TV show or something?
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Mercy is so cheesy that it comes back around being awesome, especially live. You can just pump your fist into air to the "Show me MEEEEEERCY" and that's all you really need. I hope it pushes Starlight out of the setlist forever. That is one dull song. I mean, I wish that old stuff would push out most of the newer stuff, but I'd be happy if at least Starlight gets the axe. But people like to clap along so let's keep that sucker forever...
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Apr 26, 2016 16:55
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Well, the clapping is morse code for "tits", so...
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Apr 26, 2016 22:09
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Remember when they used to do stuff like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT-p7QTc6Bs They have a lot of awesome B-sides.
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AlexF posted:Mercy is so cheesy that it comes back around being awesome, especially live. You can just pump your fist into air to the "Show me MEEEEEERCY" and that's all you really need. I hope it pushes Starlight out of the setlist forever. That is one dull song. I figure as it used to be a show closer, it'll probably be sticking around for a long time. It apparently edges out Knights Of Cydonia for live performances. Unless LP8 has more hits than say, BH&R or Absolution, we'll be hearing Starlight for a lot, lot longer. Speak of setlists, it really sucks that stuff like MK Ultra or Space Dementia is left by the wayside. It's exciting that they crop up now & again for shows, but I think it's a little sad that we all probably have old personal classics that won't show up very often. That being said, Black Holes & Revelations is 10 years old in July. I really hope that they record whatever they do, if they do anything at all.
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I think it's interesting/neat that a lot of fans today consider BHAR one of the Good Ones, because at the time a lot of fans totally decried it. It definitely introduced a lot of the elements that spelled the band's future downtrend, I think - the pop element, the beginning of crap "resistance" lyrics (especially Invincible), the weirdly underwritten instrumentals (Supermassive Black Hole's bridge, the final bit of Knights of Cydonia). I thought it was a bit shaky at the time, but it always had a lot of stuff I really liked, and today I see Origin and Absolution's flaws more clearly, so BHAR doesn't seem so inferior anymore. Like those albums, it has some duds but the strong stuff just rules so much. Map of the Problematique in particular is one of their best, still.
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Yeah I remember hearing Supermassive Black Hole as the first single. Prior to that the only new stuff was early live recordings of Assassin, Exo-Politics, and Glorious. Awesome songs, especially the thunderous Assassin. I actually recall seeing Glorious live during that period. Anyway, hearing SMBH as the first recorded song was totally underwhelming. I only needed to spin it a few times before I got supremely bored of it. I still remember my reaction after hearing Assassin on the album, it was just so flat and lifeless compared to the earthshaking live version. The Muse message boards were full of hardcore fans in full-on denial, which carried through all the way to 2nd Law where I feel like a lot of the hardcore fans bailed entirely. Look at muselive now, the last post was November. That site used to be a hive of energy related to the band. It's a shame.
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KillerMojo posted:Yeah I remember hearing Supermassive Black Hole as the first single. Prior to that the only new stuff was early live recordings of Assassin, Exo-Politics, and Glorious. Awesome songs, especially the thunderous Assassin. I actually recall seeing Glorious live during that period. Yeah, I remember all that. A lot of fans get misty-eyed about Debase Mason's Grog/Assassin, but to me Glorious was the real tragedy from that era. I love that main riff, the way the bass note moves underneath it, but they absolutely caked it in production nonsense. Should have been guitar-drums-bass-vocals, nothing else, razor-sharp. It just doesn't need the piano or the ten thousand guitar overdubs. Popcorn fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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I remember before Muselive showed up all the action used to be at Microcuts. But that said goodbye when The Resistance came out, with the webmaster writing: " after more than 10 years following MUSE, and a huge amount of work, let's face it, we (or I) don't really care anymore."
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Apr 28, 2016 18:00
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SMBH is still right up there with the worst songs they've ever made. The album as a whole was hit or miss, but there were still a ton of good songs on it. Exo-politics, map of the problematique, knights of cydonia, city of delusion, not to mention, assassin, hoodoo, take a bow. All good to great songs. Compare that to the resistance where it was like uh, I like uprising I guess.
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I consider BHAR to be in my top 3 favorite albums of all time. SMBH and Invincible are pretty cheesy, but in a way I actually like. The 2nd half of the album though..
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Paperback Writer posted:The 2nd half of the album though.. 
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Apr 28, 2016 19:56
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For me BHAR was where they nailed the arpeggiated synth and bass driven songs to the next level, with take a bow, map and cydonia. Its also where the pomposity and overblown 'rock epic' problems of their albums since started to creep in. Was there something that happened around that time that triggered this? Did selling 80k tickets at Wembley stadium on back to back nights push them over the edge?
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City of Delusion is a truly, truly bad name for a song.
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Popcorn posted:City of Delusion is a truly, truly bad name for a song. it is but it's one of their best songs when it comes to mixing in orchestra elements, which was a lot of the identity of BHaR.
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City Of Delusion may be a bad name but it's one of the best tracks on that album for sure.
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Volkerball posted:it is but it's one of their best songs when it comes to mixing in orchestra elements, which was a lot of the identity of BHaR. Was it? Only City of Delusion and Hoodoo have orchestral components, from memory. That song's a weird one for me, actually. I thought it was a low point when the album came out, but I've come to like it. I like the bassline and the acoustic strumming. The strings work well but I can't help but think they're a bit of a Butterflies and Hurricane rehash. The main chorus lyric is so shite though. Popcorn fucked around with this message at 02:39 on May 2, 2016 |
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Popcorn posted:Was it? Only City of Delusion and Hoodoo have orchestral components, from memory. Those and then Knights of Cydonia has a really cool trumpet part in it. In Soldiers poem, the guitar part sounds almost like a harp, and they use brushes on the snare drum. And the intro to Assassin has a really saxophoney sound to it. BHaR had a lot of little elements like that they stuck to in certain songs and didn't touch at all in others, so there were all sorts of different identities you could pick out as you listened to the album more and more. There were a handful of songs that had Ennio Morricone style Western elements in them. Plus a few songs like Take a Bow, Map of the Problematique, and Supermassive Black Hole that just had their own distinct epic synth style. Then they tossed in exo-politics for one of their best garage band style songs they've ever made, just for good measure. It might be my favorite album of theirs.
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Volkerball posted:Those and then Knights of Cydonia has a really cool trumpet part in it. In Soldiers poem, the guitar part sounds almost like a harp, and they use brushes on the snare drum. And the intro to Assassin has a really saxophoney sound to it. BHaR had a lot of little elements like that they stuck to in certain songs and didn't touch at all in others, so there were all sorts of different identities you could pick out as you listened to the album more and more. There were a handful of songs that had Ennio Morricone style Western elements in them. Plus a few songs like Take a Bow, Map of the Problematique, and Supermassive Black Hole that just had their own distinct epic synth style. Then they tossed in exo-politics for one of their best garage band style songs they've ever made, just for good measure. It might be my favorite album of theirs. I find "there is a trumpet on one track, and they use brushes on another track" a bit unconvincing when you're arguing for orchestral elements. But I think you've identified one of the defining motifs of the album, which is the desert-flamenco element that runs throughout it. Morricone for sure, yes.
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Setlist from Montreaux, Switzerland, July 2nd: Psycho (w/ Drill Sergeant) Agitated Hyper Music Plug In Baby Fury Butterflies And Hurricanes The Groove Assassin Munich Jam Futurism Uprising Micro Cuts Knights Of Cydonia What's He Building In There? Panic Station (w/ Music Video costumes) Starlight (w/ Hullaballoons) Supermassive Black Hole Mercy ...I hope someone recorded that 
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Hedrigall posted:Setlist from Montreaux, Switzerland, July 2nd: GodDAMN that's a pretty deep cut for 2016
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With a set like that, I am surprised they didn't throw in a live debut of Easily or Falling Away With You.
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Hedrigall posted:Setlist from Montreaux, Switzerland, July 2nd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38XavHpAtac Audio sucks, but I think this is right.
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I can't believe that person spent the whole show worrying about it and recording it rather than having a beer and enjoying it instead.
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They seem to do a show like that every few years now. Wasn't there one a bit ago when they played only bsides and rarities in Japan? Anyone know why they did it? I would travel to see a gig like that...
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It's because they hate their own music and themselves for making it. They'd much rather go back to doing old stuff and obscure gigs but that is not possible any more. See Biffy Clyro for a band on the same path. Why, yes. I am that old fart at concerts who's just standing around during the new stuff and then totally goes bonkers for the two songs that don't suck for long time fans.
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Considering Muse would sell out concerts pretty much irrespective of what they put out, I'm pretty sure they're happy with their new stuff if they are trotting it out instead of playing their old stuff. Noone wants to believe their peak is behind them.
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