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jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."
I had a thread like this before with the same name, I got real busy in life with other things and didn't have time to post. My life is a little less hetic now so I will have more time to post stories.

Quick backstory about me for those that don't know.

My parents are diehard religious people who worked full time jobs and let me basically grow up at my uncles pool hall. Learned everything I know from my Uncle frank who taught me how to shoot pool and hustle people for money. Had a pretty crazy life in my 20's but always seemed to win money at pool. Gambled on everything you could think of and still do. Saved close to 300k from gambling on pool also while working at a small finance/car dealership company. I took that money and bought into the company for %50 made some changes in the company and ended up buying another finance company to build our portfolio and double our size in a very short amount of time. Posted the previous thread on SA reflecting on my past decided to get married to longtime girlfriend. Don't gamble as much as I use to due to time, but recently my company has all the right people in place so I don't have to be there but just a few days a week and my gambling has increased. I actually have so much free time that I am becoming bored so I figured I would start this thread up again. First story will be one that happened a few weeks ago.


I stopped off at this bar in downtown Cleveland where most of the media people hang out. I was meeting an old friend who I use to play poker with. He is a reporter for the AP and had some time to sit around and catch up. After meeting up and having a few drinks he had to leave to meet up with some other people and I decided to stick around and shoot a few games on the pool table in the back. It's a habit to case a place for a pool table as soon as I walk in. It wasn't 2 seconds before I could see the hallway to the back room and i heard the distinctive sound of the cue ball hitting another ball. So after my friend left I walked to the backroom with my 4th scotch in hand trying to find some action. The room is very small with just one pool table a light above it and 3 lights on the ceiling turned down way low. The brightest light was on the table which made the room even darker. There were 7 people in the room, this might sound racist but they were all Chinese and the only Chinese people in the bar so I figured they were all together. 4 guys are at the pool table goofing around and 1 guy was a corner table with 2 girls. I got the feeling they weren't interested in sharing the pool table so I just stood in the corner and watched. I don't know what my plan really was but I figured eventually I would find a way in at the table. While standing the corner the waitress comes up to me and asks if I want another drink. I tell her to bring me another scotch.

I get my scotch and notice the guy talking to the girls is basically trying to impress them. He is telling them about shots and what to shoot and how to shoot the ball. All the info he is giving them is just the worst advice ever. He has no clue how to shoot pool. He goes up to the table and gives some advice on what english a guy should use on a shot and it's the exact opposite of what type of english to lose. The other guy tries the shot and misses completely and I let out a chuckle. The guy with the girls looks over right away and says whats so funny. I say there is no way that shot can be made with the advice you gave him. He walks over to me and says you know about pool, I laugh a little and say I know that you don't know about pool. He gets offended right away and looks back at his friends and says can you believe this guy? They stop what they are doing and kind of walk towards me. Now I am thinking I might have went a little to far with this guy because I am about to get a beatdown.

Whenever I first start to hustle someone there is always that moment when you are not sure what is going to happen. It's hard to explain but the feeling I get is better than coke because I have no clue what is about to happen. I could get a beatdown, robbed, shot, stabbed or the guy can take the bait and I can take all his money.

So back to the story, I am in this corner with 5 guys kind of circling me and I am thinking about my next move. One of the guys comes up to me and asks me if I know how to shoot pool. I say yes. He asks are you any good? I say better than anyone in this bar. He says you are quite cocky about it and I tell him I have done this so many times it's like putting pants on in the morning. They all laugh and now I realize I am probably not going to get my rear end kicked. The guy with the girls introduces him self as Kevin and says I have been looking for a game for weeks and you are the first person who hasn't backed down. We talk a little bit about pool and then I realize that this guy was trying to hustle me. So now I have no clue what I am up against but my ego always tells me I am better. I ask the guy if he wants to play and we decide to play race to 5 for 1k. We flip for the break and he wins the break and in the first game he gets a break and run. I rack them up and he breaks and misses. I get up to the table and miss my first shot and he runs them out now I am pissed because I missed an easy shot and let this guy get the jump on me. He is 2-0 and this time he breaks and makes 3 balls in a row. I get up to the table and run them out. 2-1. He racks and I try for the 8 on the break and nail it. It's now 2-2. I break and miss and he runs his balls out but misses on the 8. I run them out to take a 3-2 lead. As as the 8 ball dropped in the last game he let out a loud gently caress. AS he was racking I am trying to act serious but I laugh to myself and I guess he sees it. He gets all mad and tells me to quit loving laughing so I laugh again and he he just sits down and pouts.

I get ready to break and right as I bend down to break he starts moving erratically in my eyesight. I stand up back away from the table and say really? He plays innocent and I tell him ok if it's going to be that way I am not gonna let you win another game. He jumps up and says real loud "another game!'. I tell him I let him win those other games (even though I didn't) and he loses it. He is saying I am full of poo poo and calling me an rear end in a top hat so I say lets bet on it then. I have another 1k that says you will not beat me in the next 2 games and I pull it out and throw it on the table. He is staring daggers at me now and walks over to his friend and gets the money and lays it on the table. He racks and I break and run to make it 4-2. He racks again and I break and make all my balls but miss on the 8. He starts running every ball off the table until his last shot he sticks himself. His last ball is being blocked by the 8 and he has no clue what to do. It's a tough shot but you can also play a really good safe on the shot but he doesn't see it. He tries to put some funky english on it and hit 2 rails and he misses it, he is so angry that he takes his stick and shoves it on the table into the remaining balls. Its' a forfeit and I win and I ask for the money. I get my money and get the gently caress out of there hoping they aren't in tow ready to give me a beatdown. I make it to my car and let out a Ric Flair Whooo and head home.

Feel free to ask away goons. I also bet on sports and play a lot of poker and roulette.

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A Man and his dog
Oct 24, 2013

by R. Guyovich
I want to live this life bro. No seriously I do all this stuff but am just a giant pussy about it. I play it safe. I don't want to lose my money basically but I also want the reward of playing.

It sucks. Guess I should slightly raise my stakes.

Baby Babbeh
Aug 2, 2005

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work with Turkeys!!



I suck rear end at pool. How do I suck less rear end at pool? Yeah, practice a lot, but where do you start? Is there something I could focus on to dramatically improve my game?

A Man and his dog
Oct 24, 2013

by R. Guyovich
I need to totally improve / learn how to put English on the Cue in certain situations.

My biggest thing that helped my game was getting rail shots down.

Baller Witness Bro
Nov 16, 2006

Hey FedEx, how dare you deliver something before your "delivered by" time.
50 Foot Ant, is that you?

Dr Jankenstein
Aug 6, 2009

Hold the newsreader's nose squarely, waiter, or friendly milk will countermand my trousers.
I remember one of the reasons you stopped was cause of your engagement, and if you've already tied the knot, congrats, if not, congrats in advance.

how far into SE Ohio did you take your poolhall antics? If you wound up anywhere near the KY/WV border, theres a good chance you hustled my friend/his uncle.

also, how do sports books work? I never got that, and if you bet on em, you have to understand that.

Favorite hustle?

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

Baby Babbeh posted:

I suck rear end at pool. How do I suck less rear end at pool? Yeah, practice a lot, but where do you start? Is there something I could focus on to dramatically improve my game?

Practice, practice, practice. Seriously I am at a point now in my life where I don't have to practice but when I was younger I was shooting pool everyday anywhere I could. It helped that all my friends were pool players. There are ton of videos on youtube you can watch too. The stroke is the most important part of pool. Take a 12 ounce coke bottle and put it on the table on it's side even if it's not a pool table a regular kitchen table around the same height will work. Now practice stroking the cue in the coke bottle hitting the back of it and making sure the cue does not touch the bottle on the sides. That will help you get a straight shot every time. It eventually becomes muscle memory and you don't even have to think about it. That's a good start. Once you have good smooth stroke work on your english shots.




Baller Witness Bro posted:

50 Foot Ant, is that you?

If you are asking me then the answer is no.


AA is for Quitters posted:

I remember one of the reasons you stopped was cause of your engagement, and if you've already tied the knot, congrats, if not, congrats in advance.

how far into SE Ohio did you take your poolhall antics? If you wound up anywhere near the KY/WV border, theres a good chance you hustled my friend/his uncle.

also, how do sports books work? I never got that, and if you bet on em, you have to understand that.

Favorite hustle?

I got married in the summer and thanks it's hard as gently caress to be married but I am glad I took the step. We have been talking about having a kid in a year or so I'm hoping I can delay that another year further because I don't want a kid yet. I enjoy gambling too much.


I have shot pool all over the place in Ohio. Mostly in the Cleveland area and surrounding but I use to road trip all over the east coast. My family is from WV and my grandfather is a legend in the town where my dad was born. He passed away a few years ago and we went back to bury him on a coal mine. I went to his hometown of Eleanor and we found the original bar he use to shoot at with the original table he use to shoot on. Talked to some of his old friends who gave me some stories of him hustling back in the day. It really is in my blood.

Favorite hustle was a story I told in the other thread and there are different variations depending on who I am dealing with. It's a 2 man hustle where it basically boils down to this.

I walk into a bar and start kicking everyone's rear end in pool but in a friendly way. No need to be a dick, buy a couple of drinks and become friendly with the locals at the table. My uncle would then come in and start drinking and drinking and drinking and eventually declare he in some way or another that he is the best pool player in the room. Usually a local will say have you seen this guy shoot and point to me. Frank would then want to gamble me in pool, I say I have no money then hopefully the locals all chip in and stake me. Then when we have figured all the terms of the bet and hopefully emptied all the pockets of the locals in to one big bet I proceed to let mu Uncle frank kick my rear end. I apologize and leave and meet up with Frank later and we split the money. People are dumb especially drunk people. Out of all the times we ran this hustle, there has only been once where no one wanted to bet. the least amount of money we made in a hustle like that is $500.

Dopo
Jul 23, 2004
Loved this thread the first time around and I'll be keeping up with this one for sure. Hope you're doing well, jase1.

Dr Jankenstein
Aug 6, 2009

Hold the newsreader's nose squarely, waiter, or friendly milk will countermand my trousers.
You ever wind up hustling an old moonshiner named Tip then? It's my buddy's uncle, and he's got a bunch of stories like yours of hustling pool with him.

You still doing the repo thing too? I know you said your boss was considering selling out to you. That happen?

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

AA is for Quitters posted:

You ever wind up hustling an old moonshiner named Tip then? It's my buddy's uncle, and he's got a bunch of stories like yours of hustling pool with him.

You still doing the repo thing too? I know you said your boss was considering selling out to you. That happen?

I don't remember the name so I doubt it. Would love to sit down and drink with that guy for a few hours though. Trading hustling stories is a lot of fun.

The owner sold half of the company to me, he retired and his son and I now run the company. We were able to buy another finance company and double our portfolio. With that old company came some really good employees so they run everything now. I go in for a few weeks to sign a couple of checks and make boring rear end decisions. Best decision I ever made but also I am bored out of my mind. Been playing about 30 hours of poker a week which is helping with the boredom a little bit.


Also forgot to answer about sportsbook. I have never used an online sportsbook where you use a credit card to put money in. I have a bookie who also happens to be one of my best friends. He has a local site that I make all my bets on then at the end of each month we settle up. He also runs poker games at his house with dealers and food and drinks and everything. When I play there I usually take poker winnings and give it to him to either pay off my account or put some credit in there for bigger bets. I usually bet around $500 on a game. Sometimes more or less but that is the average.

Death by Cranes
May 3, 2006

These Blockbuster bombs don't go off unless you hit them ju-u-u-u-st right.
I'd like to ask you about roulette. I'm adding up statistics in my head and have more wins than loses, but sometimes you get hosed - like you wanna play safe and go black and it comes up red 6 times in a row. A friend showed me a way to put chips on most of the table, mostly ensuring a break even, but with higher chances of scoring.
I know you probably don't have an end all, be all answer, but how do you do it?

VVV Right on, thanks. Will try it out.

Death by Cranes fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Mar 17, 2015

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

Death by Cranes posted:

I'd like to ask you about roulette. I'm adding up statistics in my head and have more wins than loses, but sometimes you get hosed - like you wanna play safe and go black and it comes up red 6 times in a row. A friend showed me a way to put chips on most of the table, mostly ensuring a break even, but with higher chances of scoring.
I know you probably don't have an end all, be all answer, but how do you do it?

First I don't stand by this as a sure fire way to win it's just something I like to do and I am a winner overall this year so far but I have never had a winning year in roulette. Last year was my first full year playing roulette full time because of the casino being opened up recently.

Here is my system.

First thing I always do every bet is I put the min bet (usually $25 sometimes it's lower) on 23 and 14. My grandfathers birthday is 23rd of May and 14 is my wife's birthday. That's a 99% loser every time but it's also fun when one of those hit and I am free rolling for awhile.

Now I pay attention to the First 12, Second 12, Third 12 bets. I look at the previous hits and see which of those haven't hit in a while. For instance 1-12has not hit on the board for 4 or 5 spins. I place the min bet on the first 12 if it hits I start over and look for another chance like that. If it doesn't hit I double my bet and continue to do so until I hit or run out of money. It usually hits after 2 or 3 spins. I do pretty good staying even sometimes I gat a little low but sometimes I go on a run and maybe hit a number and a couple of other bets.

Jaweeeblop
Nov 12, 2004

What do you shoot/break with?

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

Jaweeeblop posted:

What do you shoot/break with?

I shoot and break with whatever the house provides unless it's a real big money match then I have a really nice Mcdermott that I have had for a really long time but it's in a case on my wall in my basement and doesn't get used that much. I also use a sneaky pete when I am breaking in big money matches. I get a lot of offers from people who want to buy that stick but that thing has kept me alive for a long time I don't think I will ever part with it. Over the years I have acquired quite a few pool sticks with cases due to people not being able to pay me. It's mostly small money and since some of them have never paid me back I just keep those sticks in my trunk and use them if I need too. The Mcdermott is basically retired only a large sum of money would make me bring that out again.

BlancoNino
Apr 26, 2010
How superstitious are you? Do you have any rituals?

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



jase1 posted:

Now I pay attention to the First 12, Second 12, Third 12 bets. I look at the previous hits and see which of those haven't hit in a while. For instance 1-12has not hit on the board for 4 or 5 spins. I place the min bet on the first 12 if it hits I start over and look for another chance like that. If it doesn't hit I double my bet and continue to do so until I hit or run out of money. It usually hits after 2 or 3 spins. I do pretty good staying even sometimes I gat a little low but sometimes I go on a run and maybe hit a number and a couple of other bets.

You know that doesn't work, right? It's not possible to beat the house at roulette in the long run. Although there's a hustle that works with roulette where you bet someone that you can come out ahead. Say the table has a $1 minimum bet and $100 maximum, try to bet some chump at least $100 that you can come out ahead on the roulette table. Start by betting $1 on red, then bet $2, then $4, and keep going until you win one of those. If you're down to your last $37, bet it all on a 3X like 1-12. I forget the exact odds, but it's about a 96% chance that this system gets you ahead by at least $1, and a 4% chance that you lose $100. That means using a roulette system can't beat the house edge, but if you make side bets you can.

A superstitious guy like you is an easy mark for casinos or hustlers, so watch out. Your roulette "system" is based on the idea that the wheel has different odds when certain numbers are hot or cold, but that's just not true.

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

Chamale posted:

You know that doesn't work, right? It's not possible to beat the house at roulette in the long run. Although there's a hustle that works with roulette where you bet someone that you can come out ahead. Say the table has a $1 minimum bet and $100 maximum, try to bet some chump at least $100 that you can come out ahead on the roulette table. Start by betting $1 on red, then bet $2, then $4, and keep going until you win one of those. If you're down to your last $37, bet it all on a 3X like 1-12. I forget the exact odds, but it's about a 96% chance that this system gets you ahead by at least $1, and a 4% chance that you lose $100. That means using a roulette system can't beat the house edge, but if you make side bets you can.

A superstitious guy like you is an easy mark for casinos or hustlers, so watch out. Your roulette "system" is based on the idea that the wheel has different odds when certain numbers are hot or cold, but that's just not true.

I don't consider this a foolproof system and I think I said that upfront. It's how I choose to gamble there are no foolproof systems in roulette. I play roulette for fun and so far this year I am ahead. I am ahead in poker and behind in craps. Those are the 3 things I gamble on most right now. Usually I go play poker and when I cash out I take my winnings and fool around on the roulette table or craps table.

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!


What's the weirdest/just wrong set of "house rules" that you've come across when playing bar pool? eg: 2 shots awarded on a scratch, calling the cue path, etc.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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Chamale posted:

A superstitious guy like you is an easy mark for casinos or hustlers, so watch out. Your roulette "system" is based on the idea that the wheel has different odds when certain numbers are hot or cold, but that's just not true.

If it's a lovely wheel you can come out ahead by betting on the hot numbers :v: Casinos these days generally keep a close eye on how their wheels are performing though, so you have to really luck out to find an exploitable bias.

FateFree
Nov 14, 2003

Death by Cranes posted:

A friend showed me a way to put chips on most of the table, mostly ensuring a break even, but with higher chances of scoring.

You realize this can't possibly work right? If it was profitable even by the smallest percentage it would be proven mathematically and people would sit at roulette endlessly to play it.

oliwan
Jul 20, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
lol I cant believe there are still idiots who use a "system" when playing casino games.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



I am so glad this thread is back!

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
What's your cut-off point for gambling and have you ever gotten to it, gone over and immediately regretted it?

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



Gabriel Pope posted:

If it's a lovely wheel you can come out ahead by betting on the hot numbers :v: Casinos these days generally keep a close eye on how their wheels are performing though, so you have to really luck out to find an exploitable bias.

That's true too. There was a guy in the 19th century who paid a few people to record the numbers on the roulette wheels and noticed that one was biased, and he made a fortune. He lost most of it the next day after the casino switched the wheels, then won it back when he found the biased wheel again.

DoctaFun
Dec 12, 2005

Dammit Francis!
In general with a game like roulette you have to just realize that it's a series of independent trials. MAYBE there's some bias that could happen at some point, but the truth is that the next spin does not depend on the one before it. So, even though statistically it's not probable for red to hit 30 times in a row, just because it has hit 30 times in a row does not make black more likely to hit on the next spin...

Marslando
May 1, 2010
Cant wait to hear some more hustling stories. The last thread was a goldmine. I found your adventures really entertaining, have you considered getting them all down on paper in your now abundant spare time and maybe putting a book together?

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer
When I was in my early twenties I was friends with this chick who was just amazing at pool. She was almost 6' tall, skinny as hell, and grew up with a full sized table in her basement. When sober she could break, then sweep the table maybe 95 times out of a 100. However, she was usually drunk and would show up at my house wanting to go out. We would head to this lovely little townie bar and she would proceed to just loving murder the locals and odd frat bro at the table. I am just awful at pool so my "job" was to try and leave the ball in a bad spot for the other team.

In maybe 2 years of playing with her I never got any better, but got maybe a million free drinks.

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

unknown posted:

What's the weirdest/just wrong set of "house rules" that you've come across when playing bar pool? eg: 2 shots awarded on a scratch, calling the cue path, etc.

When I first started playing poker there was this guy everyone called Eskimo just a big dumb fat guy who sucked at poker, lacked social skills and all around douchebag. He annoyed everyone and didn't know anything about me. One day he was talking poo poo at a poker game about shooting pool and how he takes people for their money all the time. I was another table just quietly listening to everything not saying a word. I wanted to hear what he said and see if he was for real or not. He talked a lot about being in big money matches and how he hasn't lost in years and then he said the magic sentence. There isn't a person in this room who could beat me in a game a pool. At the time I had about $2k in front of me at the poker table and I spoke up. I said "I got 2k in front of me right now that says you can't best me in a game of pool. At the time I had no clue who the guy was or even if he was good, I didn't like him and I wanted him to shut up and that's the easiest way to know if a guy is full of poo poo or not. He spoke right up and said " ok let's do it."

I leave my chips on the table get up from my seat and say I will meet him down there. I go to my car grab my stick and walk into the deli and 5 or 6 other guys from the poker game came down to watch and Eskimo is using a house cue shooting around on the table. I open up my case put my stick together and ask if he want's to flip for break. He looks up and sees my stick and says I am not allowed to use it. I tell him I will use what I want because he never said anything about not using my own stick. He gets pissed and says he isn't shooting me now. Now everyone is giving him poo poo because he is backing out and he after some grumbling he finally agrees to shoot me. He says I can't play any safes on him I said that doesn't make sense it's a part of the game. He tells me that it's a cheap way to win and I ask how would he know if I was paying a safe or just missing a shot and he said he was good enough to know that. I finally agree knowing I can out the cue ball anywhere I want and make it look like a missed shot. So after we finally agree to everything it's 2k for one game of pool.

Some guy flips a coin and he calls heads and it's tails. I get the break and I think to myself this would be the most amazing eight on the break moments. I set up for it and the 8 moves right to the side pocket and just stops right before it. I look over at Eskimo and his face is as white as it could be he almost looked sick. I make 3 balls on the break 2 stripes and a solid. I choose stripes and proceed to run the table out in one of the easiest run outs I have ever had. Everything was close to a pocket with nothing blocking it. Eskimo says nothing he puts the stick down grabs the 2k and hands to me and leaves. I go upstairs and there are already a couple of guys talking about what just happened. I tell the story and then I started to get invited to all the invite only games because they knew I always had money and was a full time gambler. I still see Eskimo every once in awhile at some games. He usually shows up and loses a few buy in's then leaves. We have had a lot of run ins at the poker table over the years I enjoy taking his money when I can.

kenny powerzzz
Jan 20, 2010
I have a buddy who is the best pool player I've ever seen in person. He is able to drop the 8 on the break so many times it becomes infuriating.

DoctaFun
Dec 12, 2005

Dammit Francis!
God, I can't imagine losing 2k in a game of pool where I never even get to shoot. I know that's why you'd probably play a race to 5 or whatever, but if you had to guess, how often can you run the table? How about your uncle? Is it like 10%? 25%? 50%?

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

pentyne posted:

What's your cut-off point for gambling and have you ever gotten to it, gone over and immediately regretted it?

Pretty much when I run out of money in my pocket. Very rarely do I borrow money or take money out of the ATM. I carry between 2k and 5k depending on how I am running at the poker table. I also have money stashed in my car in various places in case I ever get robbed. I don't ever regret any money that I have gambled if I lose a big pool match then I might regret something I did during it or how I played a certain way.



Marslando posted:

Cant wait to hear some more hustling stories. The last thread was a goldmine. I found your adventures really entertaining, have you considered getting them all down on paper in your now abundant spare time and maybe putting a book together?

I would have no clue where to start with writing a book. I don't even think I am good writer I feel like I have bad grammer and punctuation. Any Idea were to start with something like that?


DoctaFun posted:

God, I can't imagine losing 2k in a game of pool where I never even get to shoot. I know that's why you'd probably play a race to 5 or whatever, but if you had to guess, how often can you run the table? How about your uncle? Is it like 10%? 25%? 50%?

Running the table for me is probably between 50 and 60 percent. That's a wild guess though because there are some nights where I drink way to much and wake up with a pocket full of money and don't really know how I got it all.

I would say Frank is at least 75% or more I hate shooting against him because I never get more than 1 chance at the table.

DoctaFun
Dec 12, 2005

Dammit Francis!

jase1 posted:


I would have no clue where to start with writing a book. I don't even think I am good writer I feel like I have bad grammer and punctuation. Any Idea were to start with something like that?


I'm guessing you'd work closely with an editor who would help with a lot of that stuff. No idea how you'd get started though.

Imaduck
Apr 16, 2007

the magnetorotational instability turns me on
Great to see you back in a new thread, jase1!

I was interested in the house rules thing too. It seems like most random players don't play by the correct rules in one way or another. Do you usually try to negotiate some of the ins and outs of the rules beforehand, or do you just figure that you can destroy anyone who doesn't play by the correct rules anyway, so who cares if they say something weird happens when they scratch or whatever?

You're still playing poker at the Hourseshoe in Cleveland? What stakes are you playing these days? I've never lived somewhere where I could play in a casino regularly. Cleveland's room has a reputation of being largely regulars, and very few out-of-towners; has this been your experience?

jase1
Aug 11, 2004

Flankensttein: A name given to a FPS gamer who constantly flanks to get kills.

"So I was playing COD yesterday, and some flankenstein came up from behind and shot me."

kenny powerzzz posted:

I have a buddy who is the best pool player I've ever seen in person. He is able to drop the 8 on the break so many times it becomes infuriating.

This is why My Uncle will always be a legend or practically a loving God to me. I had a super bowl party this year with about 25 people all who either play pool or play poker. I set up two poker tables and had cash games going then down stairs I had my 2 pool tables with people shooting. My Uncle who had to be at least 1 bottle of scotch and 10 jello shots in was in the main room watching the game and the subject of the 8 on the break came up. The argument came down to luck vs skill and most people think that is a luck shot but using skill gives you the advantage so a bit of both. Frank says it's all skill and this guy bets Frank that he can't make 5 out 10 because it's such a hard shot. I would take that bet in a minute and it's a 50/50 if I win that or not but I would still risk it.. Frank says he only agrees to the bet if there is a side bet that says if Frank makes more than 5 out of 10 for every one he goes over that guy owes him another 1k and if Frank is under 5 he has to pay that guy 1k for every one he is under. Then he just steps up to the table and makes 8 out of ten for an extra 3k. He says I told you guys it was all skill and he walks back upstairs and in 10 minutes falls asleep on the couch.



Imaduck posted:

Great to see you back in a new thread, jase1!

I was interested in the house rules thing too. It seems like most random players don't play by the correct rules in one way or another. Do you usually try to negotiate some of the ins and outs of the rules beforehand, or do you just figure that you can destroy anyone who doesn't play by the correct rules anyway, so who cares if they say something weird happens when they scratch or whatever?

You're still playing poker at the Hourseshoe in Cleveland? What stakes are you playing these days? I've never lived somewhere where I could play in a casino regularly. Cleveland's room has a reputation of being largely regulars, and very few out-of-towners; has this been your experience?

House rules are weird but I usually just try to keep it the standard league rules. As long as it's nothing to funky that will hurt me I will agree to most anything. I think it also has to do with who ever is the big dog at the bar he usually sets the rules and he most likely doesn't even know the rules of pool he is just trying to protect his weakness.

I play at the Casino and the last few weeks a couple of really good home games have popped up. Right now I am playing 2-5 NL and 2-5 PLO at the casino PLO has been good to me because most people who play it don't have the bankroll to sit at that table. I also found this home game that has a $100 max 1-1 PLO and that game is crazy fun. I don't even expect to win because the buy in is short it's more about just gambling. Every hand has someone all in and it's chaos. I lost $500 in an hour there a few weeks ago then the last six hours I went on a huge run and cashed out for $1700.

The horseshoe is very interesting because if you play the low stakes the rake will eat you alive, it's the higher stakes where you can sit around and be patient and pick your spots. It's mostly regulars but they all come in shifts. In the morning it's the seniors and guys left over from the middle of the night either stuck or on a run. Around 10 am the lunchers come in I call them that because it's all the people in downtown on lunch looking for a hit and run. It dies down about 1 then around 3 you get the internet kids who just woke up and are basically going to work at the table. The best time to play is right after they cut off the drinks at 2:30 am because from that time to about 5:30 the drunks lose all their money because they can't keep drinking.

It's also interesting seeing the celebrities who like to play. I have sat with Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant supposedly there but I never saw him. Don Cheadle was just at the 2/5 game last week and he didn't play barely any hands. He is a very tight player. Lots of local celebrities play there like this big fat idiot name MIke Trivisano he is a fish and always has a bad attitude.

mainks
Jun 13, 2013

What is some pool slang I should or shouldn't know?

McPhock
Dec 25, 2004
hat-wearing champion of rhode island
Jase, this might be exactly what you need for that book:

http://bookinabox.com/

Basically, they conduct interviews with you, and use those interviews to handle the actual writing part. You get to tell your stories, but not have to worry about the actual writing part. Everyone wins?

Farking Bastage
Sep 22, 2007

Who dey think gonna beat dem Bengos!
I saw where you mentioned the subject of bringing your cue. When using house sticks, I always try so hard to find one that doesn't have a hosed up slip on tip, but sometimes that's all that's there. Is the adversion to those a mental thing I just need to get over? If I can't find a cue with its original diameter tip, I'll usually go elsewhere.

The Cosby Mysteries
Oct 5, 2007

Happy Birthday, Mr. President
The only time I'm up in roulette is by making exclusively outside bets and staying the hell away from the inside. Seen too much money disappear from single and split bets but I'm a huge pussy when it comes to gambling but I digress..

My question is have you ever lost a game that you were actually trying to win and has there been any characters that have tried to bail on you during a hustle?

tsa
Feb 3, 2014

The Cosby Mysteries posted:

The only time I'm up in roulette is by making exclusively outside bets and staying the hell away from the inside. Seen too much money disappear from single and split bets but I'm a huge pussy when it comes to gambling but I digress..


You are never "up" in roulette, just lucky for the night or not lucky. The odds are very simple to compute and you will never beat them in the long run, I hope this helps.

Chamale posted:

That's true too. There was a guy in the 19th century who paid a few people to record the numbers on the roulette wheels and noticed that one was biased, and he made a fortune. He lost most of it the next day after the casino switched the wheels, then won it back when he found the biased wheel again.

This almost certainly never happened, detecting bias takes a lot longer than you suggest. Hopefully the OP sticks to pool table stories because anything about casinos is going to be really stupid and wrong.

tsa fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Apr 10, 2015

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spf3million
Sep 27, 2007

hit 'em with the rhythm

tsa posted:

Hopefully the OP sticks to pool table stories because anything about casinos is going to be really stupid and wrong.
His poker stories are pretty awesome actually.

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