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ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
US politics. Because D&D can never get enough. Strap yourselves in and brace for a round of alcohol poisoning like you’ve never had before!



Yes, April was in some ways a quiet month, but in other ways quite a busy one! Although Congress has been a bit quiet on the law-making front this month, between presidential campaign announcements, constant grousing about Obama’s Iran negotiations, race riots, and gay marriage, there’s still been plenty to talk about, and with those announcements, negotiations, riots, and gay marriage cases still ongoing, May will likely be much the same (with an extra dose of PATRIOT Act/NSA talk on the side)!






114th Congress Bingo Card

Every month it's worth taking a look at what the 114th Congress is up to, because let’s face it: it’s probably most of what we talk about in here when we aren’t talking about trains or Rahm Emanuel.






I feel obligated to point out that this came out before Chipotlegate and Foundationgate

Other News, featuring the Clinton Corner

Clinton Corner

I’m introducing a new feature this month, the Clinton Corner, so that you can be all caught up on the right wing's latest and greatest reasons to vote Republican not vote for Hillary in 2016!

This month, the Clinton Corner features author Peter Schweizer, and his book Clinton Cash, implying that the Clinton Foundation’s mismanagement means you should definitely not vote for Hillary!

As for other news…


Talk to other goons (why would you want to do that?)
Remember that we have an IRC channel at synirc in #poligoon for livesteaming stuff.



Goon Recommendations
Documentaries

Talks

Long pieces

Books

Twitter feeds

  • @costareports (Robert Costa, Washington Post, formerly National Review): Conservative-leaning journalist to whom Republican sources often leak backroom stories (Republican retreats, Presidential campaigns, etc.)
  • @daveweigel (Dave Weigel, Bloomberg Politics, formerly Slate): "Idiosyncratic libertarian" journalist who is second only to Robert Costa in connections/interviews with Republican officials. Contrary to popular belief, not D&D superstar Joementum.
  • @BruceBartlett (Bruce Bartlett, ex-Reagan/Bush official): "Lifelong conservative who now thinks the GOP panders to fools, whom he calls wankers. My tweets should not always be taken seriously."
  • The following are semi-random selections from a list offered by Rygar201 and may be good or bad.
    • @owillis (Olivier Willis, research fellow, Media Matters)
    • @mattyglesias (Matt Yglesias, executive editor, Vox)
    • @JuddLegum (Judd Legum, Editor-in-Chief, Think Progress)
    • @dick_nixon "37th President of the United States. Messages from the President are unsigned, others from Ronald Ziegler. "
    • @EricBoehlert (Eric Boehlert, Media Matters)
    • @JamilSmith (Jamil Smith, senior editor, The New Republic)
    • @jonathanchait (Jonathan Chait, New York Magazine)
    • @nielslesniewski (Neils Lesniewski, Senate coverage, Roll Call)
    • @abwhite7 (Abraham White, former comms for Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA), Chuck Schumer (D-NY))
    • @DSenFloor (Senate D Floor Watch): "Live floor updates from the Senate Democrats"
    • @billmon1 (Billmon)
    • @ebruenig (Elizabeth Bruenig, The New Republic)

Related threads
"US Politics" is an incredibly broad topic, as A) the country is freaking huge and B) given our role in international events pretty much everything impacts us. So there are other subthreads
2016 Presidential Primary
2016 US Senate Elections
SCOTUS thread
Right Wing Media

There are also regional subthreads that are usually pretty slow, but sometimes cross-pollinate with this thread when something important is happening.
Pacific Northwest
Illinois
Texas
California
There was a South thread, too, but it's been dead since last July.

Lifted the rest of the above from FriedChicken. As before post suggestions for adding to the above and I'll edit them in if I see them.

And remember folks, drink chat goes in D&D chat thread. Drink responsibly. Your liver will thank you.

ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 20:53 on May 11, 2015

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Bob James
Nov 15, 2005

by Lowtax
Ultra Carp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFSAc3E1hWc

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Hey all! On-again off-again thread follower here; not much for the twittersphere. Can anyone recommend some good long form USPol news resources? Preferably some that summarize stuff every week or so.

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

I am a big Hillary fan, but an even bigger Bernie fan. I understand the difference between the two and have a greater understanding between those two and a conservative opponent. I am, what may say, politically aware of the situation at hand. If it fell to the primaries I would wholeheartedly advise you to vote for Bernie Sanders for the presidency. This however, is just a dream. Though people seems to like Bernie's ideas and policies, they just don't seem to resonate with the stupid general public. So here is what I propose: Yes for Bernie during the Primary; but Yes for Hillary during the general. It's sad to say but Bernie has no chance on a national level. Bernie may sound like the protagonist from a children’s book from the early 80's, but he has zero chance on capturing voters in this age. I've also hated the strong grip of corporations in the political field, and honestly I can see Bernie telling them to screw off, but that doesn't seem like the popular thing to do. I think Bernie has more since than Mark, Jeb, or heck, even Hillary, but I don't see him winning any popularity contests; which is problomatic, considering the whole United States political set up.

Kempo Yellow Belt
Jan 5, 2012
Fun Shoe

Anime Curator posted:

I am a big Hillary fan,

I just love war criminals too.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Hey all! On-again off-again thread follower here; not much for the twittersphere. Can anyone recommend some good long form USPol news resources? Preferably some that summarize stuff every week or so.

Slate Political Gabfest and On the Media are pretty good. Slate Political Gabfest crawls up its own rear end pretty often, but they usually discuss issues in a way you don't hear in other places.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

gently caress the Republic. posted:

I just love war criminals too.

If you're not going to vote for someone who's a war criminal I guess not voting is valid for you.

Dancer
May 23, 2011
This kid's got some fuckin stones:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...g-too-much.html

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Anime Curator posted:

I am a big Hillary fan, but an even bigger Bernie fan. I understand the difference between the two and have a greater understanding between those two and a conservative opponent. I am, what may say, politically aware of the situation at hand. If it fell to the primaries I would wholeheartedly advise you to vote for Bernie Sanders for the presidency. This however, is just a dream. Though people seems to like Bernie's ideas and policies, they just don't seem to resonate with the stupid general public. So here is what I propose: Yes for Bernie during the Primary; but Yes for Hillary during the general. It's sad to say but Bernie has no chance on a national level. Bernie may sound like the protagonist from a children’s book from the early 80's, but he has zero chance on capturing voters in this age. I've also hated the strong grip of corporations in the political field, and honestly I can see Bernie telling them to screw off, but that doesn't seem like the popular thing to do. I think Bernie has more since than Mark, Jeb, or heck, even Hillary, but I don't see him winning any popularity contests; which is problomatic, considering the whole United States political set up.

If that's your strategy, I recommending voting for Ted Cruz in the primaries...

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Maybe he can moderate the next Presidential debate.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
Calling it now: Bernie will earn the most electoral votes of any socialist candidate in the nation's history.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Just bought The New Jim Crow. Probably should read it, since it's likely I'll be working in a prison in the near future.

RaspberryCommie
May 3, 2008

Stop! My penis can only get so erect.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Calling it now: Bernie will earn the most electoral votes of any socialist candidate in the nation's history.

More than Debs? The Socialist candidate from back when Socialism actually had some traction in the US?

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

RaspberryCommie posted:

More than Debs? The Socialist candidate from back when Socialism actually had some traction in the US?

Bernie will tie Debs in terms of electoral votes, making the statement that he earned the most still true.

RaspberryCommie
May 3, 2008

Stop! My penis can only get so erect.

Joementum posted:

Bernie will tie Debs in terms of electoral votes, making the statement that he earned the most still true.

Shows what I know. For some reason I thought that election was before winning the majority of electors won you the state.

I should stop saying things when I'm tired.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

RaspberryCommie posted:

More than Debs? The Socialist candidate from back when Socialism actually had some traction in the US?

Yeah, my extensive reading of unsourced wikipedia articles tells me that Debs was never really all that successful even then, so my bet is that Bernie will get more electoral votes just by running in a major party.

Think of it, people: we are, right now, living at the high-water mark of socialism in America to date.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
Feels good, man. :ussr:

Luminous Obscurity
Jan 10, 2007

"The instrument you know as a piano was once called a pianoforte, because it can play both loud and quiet notes."
In all seriousness, I can't help but get the feeling that America is getting ready to swing left. Hard. It's like we never had the opportunity have an actual leftist movement like Europe did, so while they had the opportunity to relieve that societal pressure, in America we just slammed our eyes shut and kept forcing the pendulum to the right. So that pressure just kept building and now we're seeing everything start to give almost at once.

Or maybe we'll just eat ourselves, who knows? :v:

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Quote of the morning, “I’m endorsing Hillary Clinton for president!” ~ Larry Flynt.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Luminous Obscurity posted:

In all seriousness, I can't help but get the feeling that America is getting ready to swing left. Hard. It's like we never had the opportunity have an actual leftist movement like Europe did, so while they had the opportunity to relieve that societal pressure, in America we just slammed our eyes shut and kept forcing the pendulum to the right. So that pressure just kept building and now we're seeing everything start to give almost at once.

Or maybe we'll just eat ourselves, who knows? :v:

We're entering uncharted territory. Europe is actually backwards in this respect - they're still in the 1950s US "let's keep the blacks Muslims down to support our glorious white safety nets" type of thinking. Here we certainly have racial tensions but racial heterogeneity is becoming the norm (like Latin America), and the country is still very well developed too.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Luminous Obscurity posted:

In all seriousness, I can't help but get the feeling that America is getting ready to swing left. Hard. It's like we never had the opportunity have an actual leftist movement like Europe did, so while they had the opportunity to relieve that societal pressure, in America we just slammed our eyes shut and kept forcing the pendulum to the right. So that pressure just kept building and now we're seeing everything start to give almost at once.

Or maybe we'll just eat ourselves, who knows? :v:

America swings right and left in a very reactionary way depending on the current major issues. Right now, THE major issue is LGBT rights. That is about to change nationally and the religious right will lose their collective poo poo over it. 2016 is all about the battle for the White House, because the Supreme Court will be changing soon.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich
What are Bernie's major successes in the Senate?

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!
10/10 thread title :golfclap:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Here's an interesting topic for a slow Friday:

quote:

At its core, the biggest frustration with politics is its lack of good, old fashioned results. Yet, our current political system rewards ideology over substantive outcomes. The primary process favors the most ideologically pure, not the most experienced. The lack of a defined Congressional hierarchy (aka the old seniority system) discourages teamwork and encourages freelancing. It’s impossible for a Member to “bring home the bacon,” not simply because the earmark system has been dismantled, but because any member who did so would be pilloried at home by newspaper editorials and pushed through the buzz saw of haters on social media and cable TV.

But, if pork and gerrymandering and party bosses are so bad, how come politics seemed to work so much better when all were in full flourish and not under attack by reformers. As Rauch argues, “our grandparents were not all fools and crooks.” To be sure, he says, “we can’t go back to their world” of Tammany Hall and paper bags full of cash handed out on the House and Senate floor. But, says Rauch, “We can learn a lot from it.”

The first thing we need to do, argues Rauch is to acknowledge that not all reform is good reform. The primary process, for example, was supposed to bring the candidate selection process out of shadows and into light. Smoke-filled rooms of power brokers would be replaced by engaged citizens who picked the candidate best representative of their views. It hasn’t really worked out that way, has it? Instead, primaries have become dominated by a subset of voters who are far from representative of the broader electorate. Meanwhile, there’s no functional reason that the primaries attract so few voters. Some states have ‘closed primaries’ that are accessible only to those who are registered in one party or the other, but most are open to all registered voters. Moreover, there’s no empirical evidence that reforming the way we vote in primaries – a la the top-two system in California – will encourage more people to vote.

In fact, what is keeping people from voting isn’t a lack of access. It’s that they don’t see that their vote matters. Meanwhile, those who do participate in the process - by voting, giving money and/or showing up at constituent meetings - are those who are the most invested in promoting an ideological agenda. The more ideological Congress becomes, the less focused it becomes on getting things done. It’s a vicious cycle.

I'm of the opinion that eliminating earmarks is one of, if not the main, reason for the complete clusterfuck in Congress. It's an interesting question, do these things that are supposed to be good, morally-correct ideas like access and transparency actually cripple government, rather than help it?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



I do think there is at least some evidence to support the current state of Congress being an unintended effect of that. Now it's really hard to peel off votes since you can't offer anything in return earmark wise. I'd rather have a little more corruption than a completely useless Congress where the GOP would rather compare the size of their partisan dicks with useless Obamacare repeals than actually govern. Granted, a lot of this would be still going on with earmarks, but I can't imagine it would be to this level.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Calling it now: Bernie will earn the most electoral votes of any socialist candidate in the nation's history.

More than, heh, Obama?

Tibeerius
Feb 22, 2007

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Hey all! On-again off-again thread follower here; not much for the twittersphere. Can anyone recommend some good long form USPol news resources? Preferably some that summarize stuff every week or so.
I'm quite partial to Washington Week, which airs Friday nights on PBS. It's a moderated political panel like the Sunday shows, only the panel consists of actual reporters instead of pundits, hacks, and politicians.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
I've noticed lately that there seems to be a growing resentment of the GOP among military members. I'm not certain if this is just my shifting circles, but it used to be the Republicans had majority support, but now pretty much every member of the military I know thinks "tries to get me killed in stupid wars", "tries to destroy the VA" and, new in the news, "tries to gently caress over incoming soldiers by supporting predatory lenders".

I'm actually seeing a lot of anger at the GOP over that last bit right now: The Republicans in Congress came out massively to support the predatory lenders and car dealers that prey on fresh recruits and folks do not seem to be happy about it.

wyldhoney
Nov 7, 2005
huh?
Hello, thread!

Taking advantage of the holiday to come out of the lurking shadows.

I stumbled across this today: http://movetoamend.org/amendment/ and it seems pretty good?

I wondered why nobody mentioned it in here but then I figure it would just get killed in some committee somewhere. Is there any way to get some traction behind it?

My only concern is the first clause might hamper the ability for species to be recognised as non-human persons e.g. apes and dolphins.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Because very few people in Congress are actually sad about the ruling that allows unlimited money to be dumped in their campaign war chests.

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Anime Curator posted:

I am a big Hillary fan, but an even bigger Bernie fan. I understand the difference between the two and have a greater understanding between those two and a conservative opponent. I am, what may say, politically aware of the situation at hand. If it fell to the primaries I would wholeheartedly advise you to vote for Bernie Sanders for the presidency. This however, is just a dream. Though people seems to like Bernie's ideas and policies, they just don't seem to resonate with the stupid general public. So here is what I propose: Yes for Bernie during the Primary; but Yes for Hillary during the general. It's sad to say but Bernie has no chance on a national level. Bernie may sound like the protagonist from a children’s book from the early 80's, but he has zero chance on capturing voters in this age. I've also hated the strong grip of corporations in the political field, and honestly I can see Bernie telling them to screw off, but that doesn't seem like the popular thing to do. I think Bernie has more since than Mark, Jeb, or heck, even Hillary, but I don't see him winning any popularity contests; which is problomatic, considering the whole United States political set up.

thanks, anime avatar person

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

zoux posted:

Because very few people in Congress are actually sad about the ruling that allows unlimited money to be dumped in their campaign war chests.

A lot of them actually hate it because it ups the pressure to fundraiser, which basically no one likes doing.

On the other hand, it's actually really hard to write a good constitutional amendment to deal with campaign finance that won't have spillover effects.

PDP-1
Oct 12, 2004

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Hey all! On-again off-again thread follower here; not much for the twittersphere. Can anyone recommend some good long form USPol news resources? Preferably some that summarize stuff every week or so.

The Diane Rehm Show on NPR does a weekly political roundup every Friday with one hour on US Domestic issues and a second hour on international news. They're usually excellent and the podcasts/streams are free to listen to.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump
Just catching the end of the press conference in Baltimore but apparently warrants have been issued for some police officers?

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Yeah, here's a pro tip for law enforcement: don't leave your gun in the bathroom for a seven year old to find.



To be clear: this is Capitol police. Unconnected to the situation in Baltimore.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Good Citizen posted:

Just catching the end of the press conference in Baltimore but apparently warrants have been issued for some police officers?

One officer has been charged with 2nd degree murder.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

Luminous Obscurity posted:

In all seriousness, I can't help but get the feeling that America is getting ready to swing left. Hard. It's like we never had the opportunity have an actual leftist movement like Europe did, so while they had the opportunity to relieve that societal pressure, in America we just slammed our eyes shut and kept forcing the pendulum to the right. So that pressure just kept building and now we're seeing everything start to give almost at once.

Or maybe we'll just eat ourselves, who knows? :v:

I wish you were right, but I see no evidence of it? Conservatives are still getting dragged kicking and screaming away from "gays aren't subhuman scum" and that's still at least 1/3 of the country.

Schizotek
Nov 8, 2011

I say, hey, listen to me!
Stay sane inside insanity!!!

Wolfsheim posted:

I wish you were right, but I see no evidence of it? Conservatives are still getting dragged kicking and screaming away from "gays aren't subhuman scum" and that's still at least 1/3 of the country.

Well I don't think anyone expects the glorious revolution to come from that particular sector of the country.

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TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


zoux posted:

One officer has been charged with 2nd degree murder.

Several officers have been charged, and I think all of them got hit with multiple charges.

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