are you a const nazi

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

http://gamesfromwithin.com/the-const-nazi

I don't care about const tbqh :justpost:

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Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

first view

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Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

not using const makes you a literal butt

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SmokaDustbowl: Feb 12, 2001; by vyelkin; Fun Shoe

bash the fash

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Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

I don't use const, but 99% of my code is Objective-C so that's OK.

edit: I kind of think that if your functions/methods are so long that you need to declare local variables as const just to know if they've changed, then you need to either declare the local variable closer to where it's actually used, or refactor that function.

Doc Block fucked around with this message at 00:59 on May 14, 2015

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

I'm just a regular Nazi, OP.

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LP0 ON FIRE: Jan 25, 2006; _{beep boop}

Doc Block posted:

I don't use const, but 99% of my code is Objective-C so that's OK.

edit: I kind of think that if your functions/methods are so long that you need to declare local variables as const just to know if they've changed, then you need to either declare the local variable closer to where it's actually used, or refactor that function.

same. i don't really understand the use

but Swift has let and var. who uses let? maybe there's good reasons, i dunno. haven't really got into Swift yet

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

const died to me the day I learned that it doesn't really help the compiler in any significant way

it also makes code a little annoying to read imo

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Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Symbolic Butt posted:

const died to me the day I learned that it doesn't really help the compiler in any significant way

its about helping the programmers to not gently caress up not the compiler

"what? classes arent helping the compiler to generate better code? gently caress you i'm putting everything in global functions"

although i guess there are several degrees of fascism, i dont make locals const myself

quote:

it also makes code a little annoying to read imo

use auto all day erryday to remove useless noise which const isn't and have the pleasure of getting random coworkers asking if you are the crazy person who dared using a ~scary new c++ feature~ in the codebase

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pram: Jun 10, 2001

c++ is trash city

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Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

C++ is awful, don't use it, problem solved.

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sarehu: Apr 20, 2007; (call/cc call/cc)

Doc Block posted:

I don't use const, but 99% of my code is Objective-C so that's OK.

edit: I kind of think that if your functions/methods are so long that you need to declare local variables as const just to know if they've changed, then you need to either declare the local variable closer to where it's actually used, or refactor that function.

If your variable's const then a const version of the method will be called, and on types such as GNU copy-on-write std::strings that will be faster.

Also your post is a fallacy, using const increases the size you can make functions while they're still readable.

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pram: Jun 10, 2001

wow nice fallacy fucktard

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Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

i mean that if a function is so long that a quick look through doesn't tell you whether or not a local variable gets changed then you need to probably refactor that function, rather than slapping const in front of the variable's declaration and calling it a day. at least rewrite so all the code that does a certain thing is all in one area of the function, so the variables used will be declared close by and you can easily see if they get changed or not.

# ? May 14, 2015 03:30

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

Doc Block posted:

i mean that if a function is so long that a quick look through doesn't tell you whether or not a local variable gets changed then you need to probably refactor that function, rather than slapping const in front of the variable's declaration and calling it a day. at least rewrite so all the code that does a certain thing is all in one area of the function, so the variables used will be declared close by and you can easily see if they get changed or not.

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# ? May 14, 2015 03:54

sarehu: Apr 20, 2007; (call/cc call/cc)

Doc Block posted:

i mean that if a function is so long that a quick look through doesn't tell you whether or not a local variable gets changed then you need to probably refactor that function, rather than slapping const in front of the variable's declaration and calling it a day. at least rewrite so all the code that does a certain thing is all in one area of the function, so the variables used will be declared close by and you can easily see if they get changed or not.

Somebody doesn't understand continuity arguments.

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GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

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GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

I am indeed a const nazi, but most of my work is done in windows ce so my opinion is irrelevant in 2015.

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Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

I guess I don't know what a continuity argument is, unless you mean a parameter that gets passed to a function/method just so it can pass it on to something else. But that doesn't have a whole lot to do with declaring local variables as const, so v :shobon:

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

LP0 ON FIRE posted:

same. i don't really understand the use

but Swift has let and var. who uses let? maybe there's good reasons, i dunno. haven't really got into Swift yet

use let unless you specifically need to use var

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Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

rust did it right. you should have to do more typing to make something non-const

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Symbolic Butt posted:

const died to me the day I learned that it doesn't really help the compiler in any significant way

it also makes code a little annoying to read imo

it can help the compiler though, example:

code:


extern NSString * const MyFooDidBarNotification;

the compiler can assume MyFooDidBarNotification never changes and doesn't need to reload it every use

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BONGHITZ: Jan 1, 1970

all the old men use const

it is there for a reason

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Zam Wesell: Mar 22, 2009; [Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]

no nazi propaganda in the 'POS

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jony ive aces: Jun 14, 2012; designer of the lomarf car; Buglord

As a Millennial I posted:

No Flash? Try the QuickTime video version.

even for 2010 that's shameful

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Sweevo: Nov 8, 2007; i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

const entration camp

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Phobeste: Apr 9, 2006; never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

const is Good and Correct and should be used everywhere. on variables, on functions. all in the aid of not violating assumptions. similarly, you should strive for idempotence in everything you do, and name the unavoidable exceptions things that make it obvious that they're exceptions

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

i just use languages in which the const is implicit and you need to put a 'mut' (or a new[STRef|IORef|Mvar] et al)

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

eschaton posted:

it can help the compiler though, example:
code:
extern NSString * const MyFooDidBarNotification;
the compiler can assume MyFooDidBarNotification never changes and doesn't need to reload it every use

but isn't the issue that MyFooDidBarNotification can actually change because of pointer aliasing? the way I heard about it is that the compiler has to always figure out if the variable is really constant so the const declaration end up making no difference

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Zlodo posted:

its about helping the programmers to not gently caress up not the compiler

"what? classes arent helping the compiler to generate better code? gently caress you i'm putting everything in global functions"

although i guess there are several degrees of fascism, i dont make locals const myself

use auto all day erryday to remove useless noise which const isn't and have the pleasure of getting random coworkers asking if you are the crazy person who dared using a ~scary new c++ feature~ in the codebase

dude functions are like super great

I loving love functions

anyway I use enums for global constants instead of const or #define and that's pretty much my pseudo-const correctness practice

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Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Doc Block posted:

C++ is awful, don't use it, problem solved.

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CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

yeah i go crazy with const, that way all my spaghetti templates and poo poo get compiled into 1 liners that could have been easily represented in plain C but i really want my compile times to increase by 50 orders of magnitude

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PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

lmao, templates.

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Baxate: Feb 1, 2011

i sometimes call c++ c-- because its actually worse than C!!

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The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

Doc Block posted:

C++ is awful, don't use it, problem solved.

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The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

const is a contract in your function declaration.

#define LOCAL_VALUE 0x42069

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Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

Only place for const is at the top of the file:

Objective-C code:

static const int DBHowManyLicksDoesItTakeToGetToTheCenterOfATootsieRollTootsiePop = 3;

And in method declarations if the method takes something other than an Objective-C class or block.

Objective-C code:

- (void)whyIsThisMethodTakingACString:(const char *)stupid;

Doc Block fucked around with this message at 18:07 on May 14, 2015

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~Coxy: Dec 9, 2003; R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

R# tells me to make something const, I make it const

same with var

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MORE CURLY FRIES: Apr 8, 2004

ES6 has const

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MORE CURLY FRIES: Apr 8, 2004

it also has let

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